I think it's a little early for this section of the forum.

You can bet that EFI Live will have it's hands in it.:D

23 hours, and no banks timetable yet???

I am sure that Banks is working on something, EFI will have tunes out. PPE and Bully Dog will not be to far behind. Usually Superchips and Hypertech have stuff out pretty quick as well.

So EFI would have to take care of the EGR system, the DPF system and now Uriah Injection:eek: in order to have a nice efficient truck:D

It will be done I can assure you that.

EFI and HP tuners will probably be the first to support the new engine as there systems are self adjustable, not a drop in tune that has to be R&D'ed

LML'S arent even out right...and when will they be sept/oct?

more like March/April........maybe, they won't start making them untill 1/1/2010.

At this stage the rumour we've heard is that the 2010 will be another Bosch ECM, but different to the LBZ/LMM controller, which is bad news given development will have to start from scratch. This will not only affect us, but it will mean that all the handheld tuners will have to reverse engineer the ECM before developing their tunes.

If the 2010 is a new ECM hopefully it's not a traditional Bosch European ECM which is un-hackable (ie BMW). At present the LMM Bosch ECM is used in many European vehicles will different settings enabled in the ECM - including reflash prevention :(

Cheers
Cindy

At this stage the rumour we've heard is that the 2010 will be another Bosch ECM, but different to the LBZ/LMM controller, which is bad news given development will have to start from scratch. This will not only affect us, but it will mean that all the handheld tuners will have to reverse engineer the ECM before developing their tunes.

If the 2010 is a new ECM hopefully it's not a traditional Bosch European ECM which is un-hackable (ie BMW). At present the LMM Bosch ECM is used in many European vehicles will different settings enabled in the ECM - including reflash prevention :(

Cheers
Cindy

If the manufacturers were smart, this is the way they would go. Especially in the diesel applications. Dont have to worry about voiding warranty claims if the customers cant adjust the factory settings. But this would still leave room for piggyback controllers and aftermarket ECM's.

If the manufacturers were smart, this is the way they would go. Especially in the diesel applications. Dont have to worry about voiding warranty claims if the customers cant adjust the factory settings. But this would still leave room for piggyback controllers and aftermarket ECM's.
Nothing is unhackable... I am sure somebody would figure out how to do it...

Nothing is unhackable... I am sure somebody would figure out how to do it...

They have been trying for years.... Im sure if they could have supported BMW tuning by now they would have as its an untouched market for the most part.

Cant believe someone isn't kissing Buck's Butt for the great support yet

Scenario: Buy a GM and you can't use performance tunes...or buy a Dodge or Ford and you can.

Would this change the minds of some people who aren't so brand loyal? My guess is that it would. GM will have fewer warranty disputes because they would have less trucks on the road.

Less warranty work but also less overall sales..... which is really better in the long run? They need to just make the ecm be able to see what has been done to it that way they can fix the warranty work and not loose the sales. Regardless there will ALWAYS be aftermarket parts and modifications to vehicles its just a matter of time and money.

But if you look at the whole market, we are much a minority. They wont be hurting to to much over implementing something like this. Im sure it has crossed their minds...

Scenario: Buy a GM and you can't use performance tunes...or buy a Dodge or Ford and you can.

Would this change the minds of some people who aren't so brand loyal? My guess is that it would. GM will have fewer warranty disputes because they would have less trucks on the road.

They haven't been able to crack the new Cummins 6.7 ECM yet. At least the ones made after March 09'.

They haven't been able to crack the new Cummins 6.7 ECM yet. At least the ones made after March 09'.


Where you find this info?

Where you find this info?

I was curious about the 2010 Rams so I've been browsing the TDR forums. They say if they load a tune on the 6.7's made after Mar 09' the truck will lock up and not start.

Give 'em time. The TDR (http://www.turbodieselregister.com) guys will figure it out. Was a member there back when I had my 12v.

So I have heard that the new controller is not bosch but is actually a dephi controller? Anyone have any updates on this?

We don't know - we've heard rumours that it's Delphi, and heard rumours that it's a new style Bosch controller, so it's really anyone's guess....anyone know when they are due to roll off the line?

Cheers
Cindy

I've heard rumors of June... thought I read that here somewhere.

we've heard rumours that it's Delphi,

Cindy have Ross check his PM's on the efilive forum! :D

Looks like the dodge is tunable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsLyXzXg1E8

Looks like the dodge is tunable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsLyXzXg1E8


Yes sir it is! 2009 bootloader software available yesterday from hs, smarty will be on the website on monday. 2010 very soon:)

wish they wouldnt have put music in that vid so we could hear the sound of the engine

I just got an email a couple weeks ago saying that Bully Dog had cracked it also!

If the manufacturers were smart, this is the way they would go. Especially in the diesel applications. Dont have to worry about voiding warranty claims if the customers cant adjust the factory settings. But this would still leave room for piggyback controllers and aftermarket ECM's.


But aren't they better off to simply detect power adders and void those claims? That way I can still choose to pump it up a bit, and they cross me off the warranty list. win win.

I hear it's ok to have gauges but if you if inspection stations say an edge juice display then no sticker and fine. Of course this is a California thing

There are a few tuners that are approved for use in California. Here is a list right from CARB.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/products_in_progress_list.pdf (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/products_in_progress_list.pdf)

I might have to wait to trade in my lly for a lml.
I hope it doesn't take too long to crack,

Well it sure seems cracking ECM's is somewhat easier than cracking DirectTV. So far as I know the lock is still in..oh for sure, some can write some scripts & active X stuff to temporarily get in...but not on a completely open basis like Dish. Hardware vs Software...Direct uses both along with dual chipped/Heavily encrypted cards P4 or even P5 by now. I lost interest after P2.

It would not surprise me if GM did in fact shield/protect their ecm's from any kind of "hacking", etc. and at the same time record any attempt to do so. There are likely 5+ times as many guys owning/driving Duramx equipped vehicles than there is members of this and all the other forums combined.

I would think the $$ math favours GM...??

Theo

From what we understand the LML uses a new Controller that is used on a number of Eurpoean vehicles. On most European applications the ECM is LOCKED down from the factory to prevent tuning - in some cases even dealer reflashes are prevented.

It's an unknown what GM have done this time around until ECMs and vehicles become available; however the "Locking" features of this new ECM isn't much different to whats available currently (ie GM had the ability to lock down the LBZ/LMM ECM but didn't) - it's more of a question of will the available security be activated.

Cheers
Cindy

From what we understand the LML uses a new Controller that is used on a number of Eurpoean vehicles. On most European applications the ECM is LOCKED down from the factory to prevent tuning - in some cases even dealer reflashes are prevented.

It's an unknown what GM have done this time around until ECMs and vehicles become available; however the "Locking" features of this new ECM isn't much different to whats available currently (ie GM had the ability to lock down the LBZ/LMM ECM but didn't) - it's more of a question of will the available security be activated.

Cheers
Cindy

Cindy if GM locked it completely, wouldnt that mean that if an update comes out to address some driveability concern, then they would have to send out an entire new ECM? Seems pretty cost prohibitive.....?

Cindy if GM locked it completely, wouldnt that mean that if an update comes out to address some driveability concern, then they would have to send out an entire new ECM? Seems pretty cost prohibitive.....?
Ben, I agree. There are different levels of security and I'm merely pointing out what some European manufactures choose to enable on the same controller GM has chosen for this application. I guess those extreme forms of security protect IP, but require a ENOURMOUS amount of pre-release testing to minimise the chance (and cost) of needing to update.

Cheers
Cindy

Ben, I agree. There are different levels of security and I'm merely pointing out what some European manufactures choose to enable on the same controller GM has chosen for this application. I guess those extreme forms of security protect IP, but require a ENOURMOUS amount of pre-release testing to minimise the chance (and cost) of needing to update.

Cheers
Cindy

Especially if a "recall or TSB" is done for something stupid like the ECM update to fix the faulty theft deterrant system that existed for the 07.5's and '08's. That would have been alot of down time for the customer! At least it just took me a few minutes and I was back on the road. Chris

Ben, I agree. There are different levels of security and I'm merely pointing out what some European manufactures choose to enable on the same controller GM has chosen for this application. I guess those extreme forms of security protect IP, but require a ENOURMOUS amount of pre-release testing to minimise the chance (and cost) of needing to update.

Cheers
Cindy

We know how GM is about that...I cant even count the amount of dealer reflashes/ECM updates that have been released for the duramax's.

It would be really stupid of them to lock down the ECM ...as long as they have the technology in the ECM to track any footprints left by a non-dealer reflash (like the LMM does) I dont see what they have to worry about as far as warranty coverage/damaged caused by cranking up the power with a programmer.

I always wonder if the powertrain engineers/big wigs at GM get a kick out of seeing what we do with these trucks and how far we push these engines?? Seeing as how most all of them are "car guys" I would have to think they at least chuckle when they see one of their HD pickup trucks rip down the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds with mostly factory-stock parts.... We really are probably their best real world testing/R&D department. :D

For example...the LB7's/LLY's...first you would bend rods when you turned it up. Not many people cracked pistons or anything else. So what did GM do in the next generation (LBZ)? They went cheaper on the pistons and stronger on the rods. Now they see us cracking LBZ/LMM pistons when we turn them up.....surprise, the LML has completely new/redesigned pistons. Not that people would bend rods/crack pistons at stock power levels......but we certainly help them out in pointing out "the next weak link", so when they do want to increase the stock power level ratings, they know what they need to focus on in terms of long-term durability under stock conditions...

ben

I always wonder if the powertrain engineers/big wigs at GM get a kick out of seeing what we do with these trucks and how far we push these engines?? Seeing as how most all of them are "car guys" I would have to think they at least chuckle when they see one of their HD pickup trucks rip down the 1/4 mile in 11 seconds with mostly factory-stock parts.... We really are probably their best real world testing/R&D department. :D

ben
What makes you think they don't do it themselves?:cool:

Cheers
Cindy

There is a guy on this forum with a 2011.
User name redeagle313.
As of right now 2011 ECM and TCM's are still not available.

There is a guy on this forum with a 2011.
User name redeagle313.
As of right now 2011 ECM and TCM's are still not available.

Spare parts have said that ECM's/TCM's won't be available for purchase for at least 6 months; so unless you have a changeover it's no dice

Cheers
Cindy

If I was GM I would do the following. Lock them but sell the un-lock to the chip guys. The chip guys sell the license to the folks who buy their chips then it truely gets to be "pay to play". I certainly feel that the innocent guys, remember Speedpro get screwed. What happens if you buy a used truck, it is chipped and something goes wrong and the warranty un-knowingly is rendered useless. What a bad scenario that is.

So under my "pay to play" scenario you pay to play, you loose your warranty but leave the stocker folks not holding the bag or be subject to the finger pointing.

Probably not what anybody wanted to hear but then it makes the game truely fair and gets the liability where it should be as in off GM's hands and off the other innocent consumer's hands.

Id like to hear something about them... are they as impressive as alot of people say the 6.7 fords are?

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any updates from anyone can these bad boys be tuned.....

we just got our truck. no clue how close we are to cracking it yet.

Prob does not help when the engineer working on it has to stop to tweak on my truck. lol
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/9/roof.jpg

any updates from anyone can these bad boys be tuned.....
EFILive will support the reading of the LML from our release due later this week. http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?14319-Big-update-coming-this-week

The third new ECM we also plan to partially incorporate in to this release is the 2011 LML Duramax E86 ECM. This will be ECM read only, but it will allow us to build a nice library of different factory tunes for them. This ECM is a 100% new design from Bosch with very little in common with the outgoing LMM E35 ECM, so some long days are ahead for us!

Cheers
Cindy

So you're saying that they can be tuned after some R&D is done??

EFILive will support the reading of the LML from our release due later this week. http://forum.efilive.com/showthread.php?14319-Big-update-coming-this-week

The third new ECM we also plan to partially incorporate in to this release is the 2011 LML Duramax E86 ECM. This will be ECM read only, but it will allow us to build a nice library of different factory tunes for them. This ECM is a 100% new design from Bosch with very little in common with the outgoing LMM E35 ECM, so some long days are ahead for us!

Cheers
Cindy

So you're saying that they can be tuned after some R&D is done??
We don't see any hurdles preventing tuning at this point of time.

Cheers
Cindy

when is the update coming out? is there anything diferent i need to do to update it?

we just got our truck. no clue how close we are to cracking it yet.

Prob does not help when the engineer working on it has to stop to tweak on my truck. lol
http://www.celicatech.com/gallery/files/1/9/roof.jpg

stop tweaking your truck geez get a trans :thumb: :D I KNOW SOMEONE WHO CAN HELP YA WITH THAT ONE

when is the update coming out? is there anything diferent i need to do to update it?

The read has been finalised for the update due this week. It will be a BETA update, so you will need to download and install the files from our website then go and read your LML and email us the files.

You should subscribe to the thread in the link provided in my earlier post so you know when the software is available. It's in the final stages of testing today, so release shouldn't be too far away.

Cheers
Cindy

The read has been finalised for the update due this week. It will be a BETA update, so you will need to download and install the files from our website then go and read your LML and email us the files.

You should subscribe to the thread in the link provided in my earlier post so you know when the software is available. It's in the final stages of testing today, so release shouldn't be too far away.

Cheers
Cindy


Cindy in the new tuning for the LML. Is this going to have a DPF delete? So there is something in your software that will let my truck think it always has a full tank of diesel exhaust fluid?

Cindy in the new tuning for the LML. Is this going to have a DPF delete? So there is something in your software that will let my truck think it always has a full tank of diesel exhaust fluid?
We haven't progressed into mapping the ECM at this point, so I can't answer that.

Cheers
Cindy