Do you guys think this is a good stack? Is the extra money worth the performance, the speed limiter I know I would like. Is there a better combo. I am also thinking about propane. But I need to keep the truck reliable since the wife drives it to work. I know what you guys are thinking, Little pu**y whipped. But I drive 120 miles round trip to her 10 miles a day. Any help would be great.
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I run the stack in this way:
Edge @ 3 or 4 for performance, gauges..
Run with the Predator @ 0 for tire size correction, & remove speed limiter.
I did run the Predator alone for several months, and did like it, but haven't yet really compared it to the Edge now that I have exhaust, & gauges.

Try the Predator at 40 and run the edge at 1 or 2 if you don't have a tranny upgrade. Anything hotter on the edge can hurt the stock tranny. Some people have turned the predator up to the 60 tune and added the edge with some reasonable success. This is harder on the tranny then the lower predator tune since the edge can only defuel what it has added to the system not what the predator has added. Also the EGT's seem to be higher with the Predator. Just my .02

It seemed when I run stacked the edge kept the Predator egt's down some. They stack pretty well together but I'm running on just the edge right now seeking better fuel economy and then add the Predator at truck pulls.

I downloaded the 65hp tune on the predator last night (down from the 100hp tune) and ran the Juice on 5/5. My truck bursted like crazy at WOT. I turned the Juice down to 4/5 and the bursting went away. I also ran yesterday the 100hp predator and the juice on 3/5 and got bursting. When the juice was turned down to 2/5 the bursting went away. I just put the Predator 40hp tune back in my truck. I don't like the 65hp predator tune. Makes my truck sound like it is a can full of marbles rolling down a hill. With the 40hp predator tune I can run my juice at 5/5 all day long with no problems. I like this stackup more than any of the others I've tried.

I was running both on low setting and w/ the 5" exhaust I was still seeing 1380* w/ 14,500# trailer..

After a while I'm going to use the juice only and see what kind of temps I'm getting.

In my opinion.....a really streetable stack running empty is the pred 100 and the VA on kill. You have an upgraded tranny so no problem there. Adding the VA to the pred actually brought temps down because the VA makes the turbo come to life. The edge unit is really behind on the performance end of things right now. The ppe extreme tune makes even more power with the VA but the streetability is off some....really really sensitive throttle. Mcrat's dyno #'s VA & pred= 440rwhp PPE & pred= 466rwhp. The ulitimate streetable stack right now is the VA and Pred. You guys wanting to stack on a modded tranny really need to try it!!!

With the 40 hp Predator, I can't run anything above level 3 on the Edge or mine starts bursting. Don't care for the stack at all. Still waiting for the TTS for the LLY!! :ro)

I hear that gunbunny. The TTS Xtreme should be sweeeet!

With the 40 hp Predator, I can't run anything above level 3 on the Edge or mine starts bursting. Don't care for the stack at all. Still waiting for the TTS for the LLY!! :ro)

I wasn't hooked to a trailer last nite so I ran it up to 5-5 on juice and 40hp on the predator, no problems ran right up :ro) and didn't set a 1093:ro)

I don't have my liftpump yet but do have a fresh fuel filter.

I wasn't hooked to a trailer last nite so I ran it up to 5-5 on juice and 40hp on the predator, no problems ran right up :ro) and didn't set a 1093:ro)

I don't have my liftpump yet but do have a fresh fuel filter.

Be careful our you'll be setting tranny codes and getting it to limp. Mine ran fine for a while with this tune before my upgrade. I limped it once the week before getting the tranny done.

I am running this stack right now and I get no bursting. I'll probably get a 1093 code when I WOT to the speed limiter and let off again.

I just did it to see if I could get it to burst.

I don't play up there much.

Newbie wondering if any of you guys sled pull? If so what level do you run the stack on? Would a Superchips programer work just as well as the predator? im lookin to buy a dmax but haven decided on an auto or a 6 speed yet. would upgrade either way do to the allison limping and the clutch flywheel problems. Deffinately goin to crank it up :ro)

I stacked my juice and pred up last night for the first time pred on 40 juice on 2/5, put the truck in gear and it accelerated to about 5 mph without ever touching the throttle.:confused: .not sure why? It wasnt real smooth shifting, but that will probably come with time, and I did get a reasonable amount of bursting. The truck smoked really good and had plenty of power, it seemed really strong from third gear on.

Newbie wondering if any of you guys sled pull? If so what level do you run the stack on? Would a Superchips programer work just as well as the predator? im lookin to buy a dmax but haven decided on an auto or a 6 speed yet. would upgrade either way do to the allison limping and the clutch flywheel problems. Deffinately goin to crank it up :ro)
yeah, I sled pull. At IRP I ran the predator on kill and the juice on 4/4. Very minor popping, not a burst, can't hear it on video but you can in the cab. I then turned it down to 3/4 as I was going down the track and the popping got better. Shortly after that I blew the boot off the SD manifold, that ended my pull abruptly to say the least. I still beat 24 other trucks.

yeah, I sled pull. At IRP I ran the predator on kill and the juice on 4/4. Very minor popping, not a burst, can't hear it on video but you can in the cab. I then turned it down to 3/4 as I was going down the track and the popping got better. Shortly after that I blew the boot off the SD manifold, that ended my pull abruptly to say the least. I still beat 24 other trucks.

I still can't beleive you are only running a stock tranny.

I still can't beleive you are only running a stock tranny.

:) , yeah, yeah. The stock allison is indestructable, right?

NO? :eek:

Believe it or not I'm pretty cautious with it. Coming home from Indy this weekend pulling 5k trailer with a 8k truck on it I was stacked 40hp Predator, EJ/A lvl 3, low boost 4, cruise set at 75 the whole way home. Saw very, very little slip.

The pull in North Liberty, IA just as I was spinning out I looked at the Attitude and saw under 3% slip at the 306ft. mark.

I still can't beleive you are only running a stock tranny.

Low range and not in 5th gear makes a big difference sled pulling.

Low range and not in 5th gear makes a big difference sled pulling.

That will definately help.

I am just interested in stacking the Juice and Predator to be able to adjust for the taller tires I installed. Will probably set my stack the same as D_Maximus.
Mark

Cummin'_Stroke_this_Dmax -

What do u mean by popping and bursting?

Popping is just like having a mis-fire on a gas motor, it feels/sounds like the motor is popping. Bursting is worse than that. If you have both Edge and Pred set on high and punch it - it'll start to take off great but 1-2 seconds later falls flat on it's face, then picks up again, then on it's face so on, so on. If you ever experience it you'll know.

Cummin'_Stroke_this_Dmax-

Would u be able to run the predator on a lower setting and the edge on kill and not have any poping or bursting?

What would be the highest settings recomended if you only ever plan on running the stock trans?

Cummin'_Stroke_this_Dmax-

Would u be able to run the predator on a lower setting and the edge on kill and not have any poping or bursting?
It can vary a bit depending on truck setup and how clean the fuel system is. I can run the Edge on kill and the pred on 65 tune with a new fuel filter and have very little issues with bursting. As the filter gets dirty the bursting will start to happen more often and even when you turn the pred down to 40 tune. Also sometimes the truck will run out of go power (fall flat) instead of bursting. Of course I'm not mentioning anything about the 1093's that happen. That's just my personal experience.

FATMAX
The highest setting on the predator would be 65hp and with an edge level 3 with 5low boost. Of course that is one tuner or the other not both. This should be OK for the stock trans. Of course I still recommend getting the exhaust modified to a 4 inch system.

I typically run the Predator on 40hp and the Edge on lvl 2, low boost 3 or 4 for normal driving. If I'm going down the highway empty I'll kick the edge upto lvl 4, seems to really improve mileage. Main reason I run stacked is the Edge does nothing in first gear. 40hp on the Pred is good enough to get it rolling, then you always adjust the Edge for what you're doing.

When sledpulling I was running Pred on 100, J/A on lvl 4, low boost 4. Within 100 ft. down the track it starts popping, I then turn it down to lvl 3 and it usually clears up. I must need to change the fuel filter again because it seems the popping is getting worse and I'm having to drop lvl's more - like down to lvl 2.

You guys that run the Predator & Edge use the attitude monitor for your EGT and boost #'s or do you still use another set of gauges?

You guys that run the Predator & Edge use the attitude monitor for your EGT and boost #'s or do you still use another set of gauges?

I use a pair of Autometers on the a-pillar but you can use the Attitude. I just like analog gauges better. I have the Attitude in a Trpiipn' mount and have it set to display backdown, slip, load and mod. temp.

You guys that run the Predator & Edge use the attitude monitor for your EGT and boost #'s or do you still use another set of gauges?

I use the attitude for everything.

What would be the highest settings recomended if you only ever plan on running the stock trans?

I'm limping the alli in 5th gear now w/ the predator @40hp and the juice on level 2 -:t

I've run level 5 on the juice and not limped it so don't know what's happening.

Has anyone with an LLY stacked Predator and Edge with lift pumps? Does it help with the bursting? Does it throw a 1093?

Yes. No. Never threw a 1093 w/ lift pump.

Has anyone with an LLY stacked Predator and Edge with lift pumps? Does it help with the bursting? Does it throw a 1093?

Yes, a little, yes