Which chip is better six gun/sl or the edge/attitude. Im not talking about "cool digital guages". For raw performance which chip is superrior?:)

For raw performance a Hot Edge is better by far. That requires a built trans though. On a stock trans you are limited to what it can hold.......

:exactly:......

The Banks box doesnt stand a chance against the Edge.

Have to say I'm getting sick of these comparisons.-:tBut I also know that's what makes the world go round!):h

That being said I do believe each has it's place. I stand behind Banks for what 'I' use it for and that's towing. If I was limited to the same funds and was looking for a basic 'Race Box', I'd buy the Edge.

Since you already own the Banks, why the question?

DSTRBD,
Are you saying the 6-Gun with speedloader doesn't stand a chance against the Edge with Attitude or the HOT JUICE?

i have had both of them and i would have to say that the edge to me feels far more powerful than the banks. my banks would run about a 14.8 1/4 and my edge would run a 14.0 with the stock tranny but this is just my .02

This is strange, a friend of mine has a juice/attitude and i blow his doors off every time. it only gives +150hp, banks gives +155 and 385 LB/FT not sure about edge. Can I cook my tranny with the banks?

I know your going to think im an idiot when i ask this but what is a "hot juice", is that when you stack it? Ive never seen them actually sell a "hot juice"

They have a hot juice for the LB7. Yes you can cook the tranny with either Banks or edge.

My 6-Gun with speedloader on level 5 runs slightly stronger than the Edge/Attitude 125hp, with low boost fueling set to 5 and defuel set only on the 4-5 shift. I don't have any experience with the Hot Juice 145hp.

I preffer the Edge product,more bang for the buck,I feel they are stronger,but recently ive had a lot reliability problems with the juice boxes.

I have owned them both, the only reason I own the edge is for stacking, my crewcab ran 14.3 on a stock trans with the banks, my buddies regular cab with the hot edge and stock trans-14.3, both these times were at a dragway, not on the same day, I have not personally ran my hot juice at the track by itself but for seat of the pants I do not feel any differance, the attitude is a very nice feature on the edge and the ability to turn off safety features is a must for hard core performance, but as far as people saying edge will blow banks away, well its not going to happen unless the banks guy can not drive.

Which chip is better six gun/sl or the edge/attitude. For raw performance which chip is superrior?:)

A stock trans is not showing what a program is capable of especially when comparing 2 boxes that pull out fuel when they detect slip. There is no gain to be had or much IMO by switching boxes on a stock trans.

You have to have a built trans to run a hot juice.

Banks rates thier stuff much different from edge or even the rest of the perf world. Good bad or indifferent you cant compare a banks box with X and say banks advertises X hp so its better or worse or the same as X.

The regular juice is rated at 125 hp and the HOT juice is *cough* "rated" *ahem* at 145HP. If you have a built trans and want a hot juice call a vendor here about upgrading or call edge direct and they can point you in the directiuon you need to go. The hot juice is thier "competition" tune. Duno if banks has a "comp" program you may be able to get ahold of if you talk to them and beg and plead?

I will chew on my shoe if I can be proven that a banks will run harder than a HOT edge.

I will chew on my shoe if I can be proven that a banks will run harder than a HOT edge.


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if you can not turn off the safety features on the banks the hot juice will win with a built trans, with the banks at 100% it will be damn close, stock trans banks and edge its awfully close, the only problem with the banks is their are less actual users of it who use it for performance, especially on this site so you get slanted opinions, I have nothing to gain, my banks was sold to a guy who wanted it for towing, the edge is in my truck cause i wanted to stack, I have had both so I feel I am able to give a honest evaluation, as far as dyno numbers go both companies represent their numbers differently for advertisement but have compareable area under the curve on their own dyno charts.



If you do not want to go farther then one tuner and do not want to build a trans you can chew on your shoes all day long:HiHi:, it will not matter they are to close to call IMHO.

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if you can not turn off the safety features on the banks the hot juice will win with a built trans, with the banks at 100% it will be damn close, stock trans banks and edge its awfully close, the only problem with the banks is their are less actual users of it who use it for performance, especially on this site so you get slanted opinions, I have nothing to gain, my banks was sold to a guy who wanted it for towing, the edge is in my truck cause i wanted to stack, I have had both so I feel I am able to give a honest evaluation, as far as dyno numbers go both companies represent their numbers differently for advertisement but have compareable area under the curve on their own dyno charts.



If you do not want to go farther then one tuner and do not want to build a trans you can chew on your shoes all day long:HiHi:, it will not matter they are to close to call IMHO.

It has been proven several times by members here that the Hot Juice out performs the Six Gun by a significant margin. The Banks will produce about 130 RWHP while the Hot Juice will net well over their rating at about +- 165 HP.

I aint BSing, I will post pics of me knawing on my boot if someone will lend me a some boxes at he track or I can witness it or another member I trust will tell me a banks box beat a hot juice on a built trans.

22nd in WI is the first DHRA race, I'll be wearing my red wings. Someone bring the boxes. If you need you can throw em on my truck, I'll even let someone else drive the banks :D

Edit: I'm going to ride shotgun on the banks pass though, I dont want anyone hitting the fun button;) :p: I should be fine, I dont think it will hit a under a 14, unfortunatly I dont think I will be able to legaly take a passanger with the edge ;) :D

It has been proven several times by members here that the Hot Juice out performs the Six Gun by a significant margin. The Banks will produce about 130 RWHP while the Hot Juice will net well over their rating at about +- 165 HP.

Only 130 huh. Guess the dyno sheets I have are made up!:eek:

PS. The numbers below are on a stock trans in case anyone was wondering.

TT,

This debate has gone on and on and on and on........ not just with these two boxes but Quad, Bullydog, etc......

I have a HOT OJ and a built trans....... and have ridden in a banks chipped truck.... There is a difference.....

I live In Rancho (guess I should update my sig...:o:) so I'm 5 minutes from you in Lake Forest.. I'd be willing to let you drive my truck :eek: and do some WOT blasts up the 241 (or in one of our more "rural" areas :rolleyes:) with my Hot OJ and then your six gun on my truck..... Then you can decide.....while we :beerchug: .............:cool:

That way it will be a same truck same day with a bulit trans, unfortunately "seat of the pants", comparison....

Not calling you out....... Just offering you a test ride like I have in the past on a truck with a built trans ..... I know you're looking to upgrade your trans...;) If not , you might be afterwards....:eek::);):cool:

By the way, 411/809 with your stock tranny........:eek:

Later.....

I see we are comparing the LB7's here. What about in the LLY arena?:stirpot

It has been proven several times by members here that the Hot Juice out performs the Six Gun by a significant margin. The Banks will produce about 130 RWHP while the Hot Juice will net well over their rating at about +- 165 HP.
version 1 or 2?



I aint BSing, I will post pics of me knawing on my boot if someone will lend me a some boxes at he track or I can witness it or another member I trust will tell me a banks box beat a hot juice on a built trans.


Don't believe me or what, there was a edge truck there who witnessed my 14.3s, (3 passes in that range with a off the shelf v2 banks) and he is on this site, it was also his truck that ran the same with the hot edge, them times were the first time at the track with my truck ever and quite honestly led me to this point I am at today. This site is full of vendors who push edge so naturally there are more edge users pushing edge , my understanding is banks has tuff regulations on selling there stuff that some vendors balked at, there for pushing edge harder, I am not nocking edge it runs good BUT Banks does not run as bad as some non users say.Dyno numbers do not mean squat when putting it to the ground, unless you look at the entire area under the curve.

now tonight I am heading to the track (its a ford day organized by a dieselstop member) to do whats really important, send the other brands home with there tails tucked.

now tonight I am heading to the track (its a ford day organized by a dieselstop member) to do whats really important, send the other brands home with there tails tucked.

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Was the test you were talking about with a stock trans or a modified? It was a Hot Juice compared to an off the shelf banks? How difficult is it to get banks "comp" version(or is it just saftey features remeoved?) Saftey features shouldnt matter to track times on a modded trans(other than pyro and you can yankthat to fool it) correct?

you could not stop banks from defueling until torque convertor lockup it also defuels in fifth and egts at 1500, old version 1350(could this be some of the reason for low dyno numbers?) no way to override egt cutout because probe must see at least 300f to add any fuel at all, so a modded trans probaly would make little difference with banks, while edge you could turn all that off, now the custom version of banks I had was full go, but i never ran it at the track, and had it reflashed back to v2 and sold it, i am comparing stock trans to stock trans, but before i added copilot, edge still did not feel stronger then banks, and i have never tried it with the copilot by itself.

I think alot of people are still comparing the way version 1 of the 6-gun performed. I ran a best of 15.25 with version 1 set on level 6. Now, I can run 14.9 on level 4, and that's before the aggressive tuning that shows up in levels 5 and 6.

You going to be at GLD the 22nd bigd???

too far for racing, will travel for sled pulls, you guys will represent the dmax well.

I know your going to think im an idiot when i ask this but what is a "hot juice", is that when you stack it? Ive never seen them actually sell a "hot juice"

Take a regular Juice and nuke it for 15 seconds :eek: There is a regular and hot Juice! One has about 140+ hp the other 180+ hp.

The regular Juice will eat away at a stock transmission slowly, while the Hot Juice will blow through a stock transmission in a day or two. The stock transmission can handle only about 100-110 extra rear wheel horsepower on the LB7 Duramax. I don't know about the LLY Duramax. But you can drive with more horsepower then that for a very long time if you learn how too drive with the extra power. I have 68,000+ miles with over 100 hp nearly all the time, and most of those miles have been with 135 or more added hp, and as much as 165. All on a stock tranny.

411/809 to date

Those are good numbers if they can be repeted. I dynoed the 135 Stealth at 406/817, and Mavrick did 403/? so I know the Stealth can be backed up. The early Banks was only getting 330`s/600`s

It looks like they have reworked it a bunch! :eek: 411 is more like 160-170 over stock, early ones were more like 85. If it is 170, it`s very :cool2: By the way, the Hot Juice is more then 170, it some times hits 200, with 185 being really common.

I just checked Bankspower.com and they show 330`s for max rear wheel horsepower, I don't understand how you can get 70-80 more then Banks can get, unless you are either not telling us about some other bottle like juice you are using, or Banks is down playing the Box, and it ain't like Banks to do that :confused:

Only 130 huh. Guess the dyno sheets I have are made up!:eek:

PS. The numbers below are on a stock trans in case anyone was wondering.

Feel free to post YOUR dino sheets. Not the Banks sheets either. We all know how Banks dino's their products. It's been discussed previously and their way of testing with a running start would also yield greater results with ANY box.

On edit, If 411/809 is what you are producing with the Six Gun then you are well below the Hot juice numbers.......The Hot juice alone will produce around 435-440 as noted by several members. As I said they are producing much higher than advertised.

On edit, If 411/809 is what you are producing with the Six Gun then you are well below the Hot juice numbers.......The Hot juice alone will produce around 435-440 as noted by several members. As I said they are producing much higher than advertised.

I have a real hard time believing that the 6 gun puts out more then the regular Juice, Predator, Stealth 135, and most others. the 411 he states is 60-100 more then any other numbers posted from 6 gun owners.

what are the hp/tq numbers for the hot juice

what are the hp/tq numbers for the hot juice

I have dynoed mine at 479 RWHP.

I do not have the sheet for it. That was back in the day though.... Port work done, Turbo ported, boost cranked up just a wee bit;)

I use my truck to HAULLLL, plus i cant afford to build my tranny. the banks is fine for me, and my truck can still haul ass when i need it to.

Blinky, I'll be more than happy to take you up on the offer to drive your truck.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif Actually, we were supposed to get together about 9 months ago if memory serves correct but I just haven't had the time. At this point, I'll make it and give you a call in the next couple of days (you did keep the same number didn't you?). I believe I still have your number. And yes, I plan on having Mike do my trans as soon as the funds become available.

As for the non believers, here is the link to the original thread. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11011
Dyno sheets are posted here along with some Edge users. As Jeremy with J&D pointed out, this is one of the better ways to compare since it was same day, same dyno. The Edge ran about 10 horse more that day in an identically equipped truck. I stated at the beginning that for racing I believe the Edge unit is the better choice, but for towing I prefer the Banks. If this isn't enough satisfactory info for you, Then it probably never will be.

I will be doing another Dyno on the truck but it won't be for awhile. I'm waiting at this point until I get the trans done (Mike L. of course) and install the water/meth system (SD). Funds for both won't be available until the beginning of next year so unless another SoCal Dyno day pops up that I can make, It won't happen any sooner.

TT

What is the most power anyone has seen at the rear wheels from a Juice?

The peak to peak dyno numbers for the original 6-Gun are 340rwhp and 704rwtq. With the speedloader, they are 350rwhp and 719rwtq.

The peak to peak dyno numbers for the original 6-Gun are 340rwhp and 704rwtq. With the speedloader, they are 350rwhp and 719rwtq.

I am going on what is at Banks web site. They show 336/843

The horsepower looks extremely low for the torque, it looks more like what we'd see from the Cummins! For 843 ftlb torque it should be more like 420-450, and for the 336 the torque should be more like 620-675 :confused:

IIRC banks brings thier power in early. Not say its not a good product, not saying ti dosnt make power but the original question was for raw performance witch is better. If you are talking raw performance I believe a hot juice is stronger. I also believe there are a few programs that are stronger than the hot OJ like quad, Xtreme, ect.

I've compiled all of the dyno numbers for the 6-Gun since I've been on this site. These numbers are the average horsepower and torque gains that members have seen from the original version.

IIRC banks brings thier power in early. Not say its not a good product, not saying ti dosnt make power but the original question was for raw performance witch is better. If you are talking raw performance I believe a hot juice is stronger. I also believe there are a few programs that are stronger than the hot OJ like quad, Xtreme, ect.

:exactly:

TT,

looking forward to it.......

I'll PM you with my cell...... I think the number you have might have changed.......

Ratlover: Would you consider PPE Hot Xcelorator to be stronger than the Edge and banks products as well as the TTS and Quad stuff?

What is the strongest chip out there, anyway wont running these high horsepower programs for anything more than a short duration begin to fry stuff in the engine, and tranny (duh)

What is the strongest chip out there, anyway wont running these high horsepower programs for anything more than a short duration begin to fry stuff in the engine, and tranny (duh)

NO it wont fry the tranny if it is built...........a stock tranny will fry slowy with the banks and pretty dang fast with the juice.........farther showing the raw performance of the juice over the six-gun. As for the Duramax nobody really know the limits for hp and tq for the bottom end of the engine. I know that a few members have found the limits of the stock turbo on the LB7 but IIRC no one has hit the limits for the turbo on the LLY.

So all in all.

Banks is a better towing chip, easier on stock tranny

Edge is a better performance chip, granted you have a built tranny

No idea on the PPE stuff really. From the times I would say it would slay a banks and I'm betting it would walk a hot juice pretty goot too but I've not seen much info on em. Duno how it would actually perform???

A HOT edge is for a built trans. If you leave the edge in its 90hp added level unloaded your trans will live happy and turn it down to level 2 or 1 (its stated in the manual, I'm shure banks dosnt recomend towing with it set to kill either) and it will tow just fine. An allison seems so downshift happy and I duno if you would really want to lug your motor if possible anywho, think of the rpm range your truck normaly is in when doing what ever you want to do and maximize the power there. On a stock trans banks and edge will have very simmilar times.