:mad:I need some support on returning my EFI Live back to the vendor, get a refund but he would not take it back. Where do I get help on this problem?

Dealer called me and said that the ECM was shorted out and code PO106 cannot be erased after clearing with a Tech 2 scanner. Plus check engine light and 4WD light does not light up when engaged. After putting back to stock, both lights light up again normally when engaged. Does this have to do with the EFI Live itself because it is visually evident?
L ooks like the EFI shoprted out the ECM,,,,what is your opinions?

It's highly unlikely that EFI shorted out the ECM. The vendor probably wont take it back because there is a license that has been used on it.

I think there is something else at play here.

I think the term you are using 'shorting the ECM' is not what you (or the dealer) really meant. EFILive can't physically short circuit wires together. If you mean that EFILive is the cause of the P0106 code then you need to look deeper before assuming that.

EFILive cannot cause part of the ECM to not function correctly - with EFILive the ECM will either work or it won't. As explained to you in an earlier thread at the start of May tuning could be the cause, or an issue with the truck could be the cause. We advised you at that point to return the vehicle to stock to determine if it was tuning or truck related.

Have you logged the MAP sensor (voltage or pressure), maybe it is faulty. Has the MAP sensor ever been touched? maybe a connector was left off it?

With the 4WD light, you need to confirm the tune you are running is for your truck. You can't just flash any tune in from another truck and expect it to work.
There is a very easy way to check this:
Go to this website - http://tis2web.service.gm.com/tis2web

Enter in your VIN, choose ECM, then check the part numbers GM list match what is shown in your .tun file.
Or failing that, can you at least confirm you have put the stock tune back in to see if the MAP code goes away?

EFILive or it's vendors cannot accept an item that is 8 months old and used for refund, much like you can't take back a 8 month old truck to Chevy and expect a refund. We will assist you in trying to diagnose your issue.

Cheers
Cindy

Dude, just figure out how to use it instead of getting frustrated and you'll be glad you did. This isn't like a "box tuner" where you can just be a total dumbass and be able to use it. You've got to put in the time, but the end results and the versatility of the product make the effort worth it for sure.

Is this an '01 truck; isn't there a number of problems like this when trying to Flash an '02 and up LB7 OS into an '01 ECM?

Is this an '01 truck; isn't there a number of problems like this when trying to Flash an '02 and up LB7 OS into an '01 ECM?


It is an 07 LBZ.

EFI Support, Let me ask you this,,,if the EFI Live is in the truck, Check engine light will not show and 4 WD light will not light up when engaged,,,after putting it back to stock,,, the 4WD light lights up when engaged and check engine light lights up a PO106 WHEN it would NOT show a code PO106 on the V2 scanner or any other scanner when the EFI is in the truck.

Explain that to me.

Short circuit, no, fried is the term. Now I need over 1K for the ECM and labor.

EFI Support, Let me ask you this,,,if the EFI Live is in the truck, Check engine light will not show and 4 WD light will not light up when engaged,,,after putting it back to stock,,, the 4WD light lights up when engaged and check engine light lights up a PO106 WHEN it would NOT show a code PO106 on the V2 scanner or any other scanner when the EFI is in the truck.

Explain that to me.

Short circuit, no, fried is the term. Now I need over 1K for the ECM and labor.

They are charging you $1000 to replace the ECM?

:mad:I need some support on returning my EFI Live back to the vendor, get a refund but he would not take it back. Where do I get help on this problem?When i was on the phone last night with i believe was your wife i never once told her I would not take it back. What i did tell her was that i would call her back with an answer. At 8:20 pm last night i atempted to call back and i left a message on the voice mail to call me back. I will buy it back but not at full price.

Hey you can get a ECM for around $200/250 from several vendors on here. It only takes a few minutes to put one in.

EFI Support, Let me ask you this,,,if the EFI Live is in the truck, Check engine light will not show and 4 WD light will not light up when engaged,,,after putting it back to stock,,, the 4WD light lights up when engaged and check engine light lights up a PO106 WHEN it would NOT show a code PO106 on the V2 scanner or any other scanner when the EFI is in the truck.

Explain that to me.

Short circuit, no, fried is the term. Now I need over 1K for the ECM and labor.


Dude. you can buy and ECM and program it your self for a couple hundred.

:mad:I need some support on returning my EFI Live back to the vendor, get a refund but he would not take it back. Where do I get help on this problem?

Dealer called me and said that the ECM was shorted out and code PO106 cannot be erased after clearing with a Tech 2 scanner. Plus check engine light and 4WD light does not light up when engaged. After putting back to stock, both lights light up again normally when engaged. Does this have to do with the EFI Live itself because it is visually evident?
L ooks like the EFI shoprted out the ECM,,,,what is your opinions?If it still has 1 license left, I will give ya 400.00 right now for it, PM me if interested!

They are charging you $1000 to replace the ECM?

800 for the ECM and 2 hours of labor for diagnosis at 105 per hour. Plus tax.

When i was on the phone last night with i believe was your wife i never once told her I would not take it back. What i did tell her was that i would call her back with an answer. At 8:20 pm last night i atempted to call back and i left a message on the voice mail to call me back. I will buy it back but not at full price.

The first time you said no and I was persistant that I want nothing to do with it and you said you were going to call your supplier and get back to me.

If it still has 1 license left, I will give ya 400.00 right now for it, PM me if interested!

I am getting a deal for it for 525 this Saturday, locally. If you want it then it is a bid plus shipping. Sorry

The first time you said no and I was persistant that I want nothing to do with it and you said you were going to call your supplier and get back to me.Your wife may have told you that i would not take it back.

I see I no longer have to buy it back? Looks like i was outbid.

Tony, If he takes it , it is out of your hands, if not, I'll take it for 500 from you.

EFI Support, Let me ask you this,,,if the EFI Live is in the truck, Check engine light will not show and 4 WD light will not light up when engaged,,,after putting it back to stock,,, the 4WD light lights up when engaged and check engine light lights up a PO106 WHEN it would NOT show a code PO106 on the V2 scanner or any other scanner when the EFI is in the truck.

Explain that to me.

Short circuit, no, fried is the term. Now I need over 1K for the ECM and labor.

Mark,

There needs to be a distinction made here between EFILive and a tune. EFILive is tuning software, it's a tool that gives you access to make changes to your vehicle. The tune delivers those changes. You make those changes NOT EFILive.

You can tune out the events that causes codes to throw by changing thresholds in tables and you can also disable the codes from reporting. These are tuning changes users make using our software.

If these changes are not made off your stock tune (ie. they are made off someone elses stock tune) then depeding on the option differences between the two trucks some functions may not to work correctly - 4WD is one of those. Climate control is another.

Look at the picture below, if you open up your modified tune and write down the numbers shown in the red box, then compare this to the OS detailed on the TIS website (as per previous post) you will be able to confirm if the tunes written for your truck are based off your stock tune, and that the stock tune you have saved is the stock tune for your truck. (Perhaps your stock tune really isn't stock)

Alternatively, if you PM me your VIN I will look up the details on TIS for you.

The purpose of asking you if you have logged the MAP sensor, and asking if it had been touched is that this sensor is the cause for your code. The sensor may be faulty, the connection may be loose, or the tune modifies the reporting of this code. Logging will assist in the diagnosis of this issue.

If EFILive "fried" your ECM your truck wouldn't run. EFILive isn't capable of "frying" one parameter of an ECM - it either runs or it doesn't. There is something in your modified tune and/or your stock tune along with some hard part issue that is causing your problems.

Replacing your ECM will fix this issue if it's a tuning problem - but it's an unnecessary and expensive step for you to take.

Cheers
Cindy

Your wife may have told you that i would not take it back.

I see I no longer have to buy it back? Looks like i was outbid.

Tony, EFI Live is sold.

Tony, EFI Live is sold.Do you have any idea why it sold so quickly? How many times do you see EFI programmer in the market place? Good luck with your truck;)

Dealer called me and mechanic says that the ECM is not the problem now,,,,, would anyone have a step by step formatted to send to my email address to follow to find the culprit. I am really going nuts.:(

Have you already shipped off the EFI unit? If you have not.....DON'T!! You'll need it to find the problem!

Have you already shipped off the EFI unit? If you have not.....DON'T!! You'll need it to find the problem!

I am confused,,,,I put the truck back to stock and my buddy was called and he has the EFI and was using it to tune another tune in his truck.

If it is back to stock, how do I find the problem? Any help is appreciated.

Have you already shipped off the EFI unit? If you have not.....DON'T!! You'll need it to find the problem!

Actually the code is PO106,,,MAP

Post your vin so we can make sure your stock tune and your modified tunes are from your truck.

Cheers
Cindy

Post your vin so we can make sure your stock tune and your modified tunes are from your truck.

Cheers
Cindy

I purchased the EFI live from him.

From what I understand he returned the truck to stock before selling me the unit. Can the dealer just reflash the truck with a stock tune? If the code sticks around after the dealer puts it back to stock then it confirms that the problem is a part on the motor. MAF sensor maybe? Maybe throwing a code on the stock tune because of the larger than stock turbo, intake, exhaust, and injectors?

Mark, after looking up what a P0106 code is

SES Light Due To DTCs P0101 And/Or P0106 - Inspect Air Filter And/Or MAP Sensor - #PIP4307C (02/14/2008)

Lots of info on this code here http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2416248

I really think it has to do with the location of the MAF sensor in the ATS intake tube with the stock tuning. Or maybe its a bad MAF sensor.

Edit: I know its a long shot but clean your MAF sensor 1 more time, I know you just cleaned your AFE filter and you may have over oiled it and gotten the MAF dirty causing the code.

I purchased the EFI live from him.

From what I understand he returned the truck to stock before selling me the unit. Can the dealer just reflash the truck with a stock tune? If the code sticks around after the dealer puts it back to stock then it confirms that the problem is a part on the motor. MAF sensor maybe? Maybe throwing a code on the stock tune because of the larger than stock turbo, intake, exhaust, and injectors?

Never had the 106 code before, it just happened. Been running the truck for 2 years now and I have a circuit board for turbo too prevent from throwing codes.

Patience will pay off in this case guys. The 106 code can be cleaned up with EFIlive, everything will turn out okay if you allow those trying to help you to do their thing.

Changing turbos on these trucks introduces a whole bunch of gremlins which the GM techs are not equipped to troubleshoot or fix. This is not an EFIlive problem or a failed ECM based on what I've read. It sounds like a simple oversight on the tune - nothing worth crucifying your tuner over :).

Take your time and talk to the people who have done it before, you'll be glad you did.

Nick

Never had the 106 code before, it just happened. Been running the truck for 2 years now and I have a circuit board for turbo too prevent from throwing codes.

Ok...

Has the dealer tried to reflash it with the stock tune again? They should be able to do this very easily. If they replaced the ECM then they had to.



There are a TON of mods on this truck and I think that is playing a big part in this problem. Just to be safe I would clean the MAF 1 last time.

For the best results with our software you need to understand how an engine works to tune, and understand how to use a PC. The difference between EFILive and a handheld is that you make/change and save tunes, and you name those tunes whatever you want.

I think that Mark has overwritten his stock tune with some modified tune, so his stock tune really isn't stock, even though that may be the name he saved it as. (This is my opinion). He can either have the dealer reflash the stock tune, or if I get his VIN I can email it to him so he can reflash it to stock with EFILive.

I do know that the modified tunes he flashed into his truck were NOT based off his stock file. Given this, this will be the cause of his 4WD issues. I'd also suggest the reason he didn't get the code with the modified file was that the person who wrote the tune changed the parameters to prevent it from failing.

Your probably right with code and the hard part changes.

I think the best solution is to reflash the truck to stock - with stock being a tune that we can confirm is stock. That will throw the code, but at least the truck is stock. If we get that far, we can talk to Mark about having his tuner modify the stock tune to stop the code. Of course we can only do this if he still has access to EFILive.

At the end of the day, EFILive isn't for everyone, and it's unfortunate it's taken so long to get Mark to a position he is comfortable with.

Cheers
Cindy

Cindy, I PM you the VIN #, please check and I'll PM my email when you are ready. PM sent.

With the mods you have, it sounds like EFI was perfect for you if you had the patience to learn how to use it properly. You can't just dump a tune in it and hope it works.
Is the air filter you have an oiled paper filter?
Like others have said, aftermarket intakes have been known to cause maf problems and are very sensitive to the placement of the sensor.
If I understand correctly, the code was not there before but you also had your truck worked on for the problems caused by having the wrong tune in.
I would guess that the mechanics have moved the sensor enough to cause the problem, or possibly damaged the part, while trying to diagnose a problem they did not understand.

1. You played with efi live and caused a tuning issue that needs fixed with efi live.
or
2. Some one messed with the MAP sensor, not to be confused with the MAF sensor. Logging with Efi live could reveal an issue.

Either way having the correct software and learning to use it can help diagnose and fix problems.

Please let me get this straight, had the problem before anyone worked on it but there was no check engine light. We hooked it up with V2 scanner, Tech 2 scanner, Snap on scanner would not pick up no codes, I checked all filters, cleaned the MAF sensor, air filter, diesel filters replaced, air filter cleaned, new diesel, still same problem. Tony Burkhard told me, he was my EFI vendor, to put it back to stock and see if there is a code and right away after tune was removed and stock tune was in, started it up, bam engine light shows up a code 106 which is MAP. No one moved anything, problems was when i had the EFI live in and running for a month without problems until three weeks ago.

1. You played with efi live and caused a tuning issue that needs fixed with efi live.
or
2. Some one messed with the MAP sensor, not to be confused with the MAF sensor. Logging with Efi live could reveal an issue.

Either way having the correct software and learning to use it can help diagnose and fix problems.

It was running fine for a month, i did not play with anything. No one messed wioth MAP sensor.

With the mods you have, it sounds like EFI was perfect for you if you had the patience to learn how to use it properly. You can't just dump a tune in it and hope it works.
Is the air filter you have an oiled paper filter?
Like others have said, aftermarket intakes have been known to cause maf problems and are very sensitive to the placement of the sensor.
If I understand correctly, the code was not there before but you also had your truck worked on for the problems caused by having the wrong tune in.
I would guess that the mechanics have moved the sensor enough to cause the problem, or possibly damaged the part, while trying to diagnose a problem they did not understand.

Tune worked fine, it was PPE tunes from Tony of All Seasons Perf., he made those tunes. I just installed #2 with Tony's help on the phone and worked fine for a month.

Mark, I've emailed you your stock tune and some instructions on how to flash it into your truck.

Cheers
Cindy

With the mods you have, it sounds like EFI was perfect for you if you had the patience to learn how to use it properly. You can't just dump a tune in it and hope it works.
Is the air filter you have an oiled paper filter? Tony Burkhard sent me the tunes. I do not know if those tunes are corrupt or not, but it may have been. It is nothing like Rob's or Nick's tunes which are custom. It was just a copy of PPE tunes.
Like others have said, aftermarket intakes have been known to cause maf problems and are very sensitive to the placement of the sensor.
If I understand correctly, the code was not there before but you also had your truck worked on for the problems caused by having the wrong tune in. Code showed up after putting back to stock, just explained what I did with filters, etc. Then Tony said to put to stock, light came on after and I sent it off to be fixed.
I would guess that the mechanics have moved the sensor enough to cause the problem, or possibly damaged the part, while trying to diagnose a problem they did not understand. You assume this, guess that my mechanics had something to do with it, everything happened before going to the dealer to be fixed, please understand that.

Guys, lets not flame this.

At the end of the day everyone's truck is different. Everyone's terminology, understanding, PC's, PC skills and tuning abilities are different. If we were all the same we would all be driving Black T model Fords, and all be wearing Y fronts....wouldn't life be boring!

Lets keep this thread to our customer has an issue and we need to resolve it.

Cheers
Cindy

Possibly the dealer got to fooling with the MAP sensor? Who is copying these PPE tunes?

Guys, lets not flame this.

At the end of the day everyone's truck is different. Everyone's terminology, understanding, PC's, PC skills and tuning abilities are different. If we were all the same we would all be driving Black T model Fords, and all be wearing Y fronts....wouldn't life be boring!

Lets keep this thread to our customer has an issue and we need to resolve it.

Cheers
Cindy
Sorry, but I have to ask. What is a "Y front":o:

Sorry, but I have to ask. What is a "Y front":o:
I knew I'd regret tying that :o: - it's a Brittish term used to describe a style of underwear typically worn by men. Google it.

Cheers
Cindy

Do yourselves a favor, don't Google it.

ugh.

Too late Nick, I couldn't help it ):h..

You ought to ban for posting pics like that. ;)

Dealer called me and mechanic says that the ECM is not the problem now,,,,, would anyone have a step by step formatted to send to my email address to follow to find the culprit. I am really going nuts.:(

there, so was it worth getting all pissy and ASSuming efilive was the problem without even having the slightest idea how ECM's or the engine wiring works? Bet you feel silly now for selling EFILive.

ben

there, so was it worth getting all pissy and ASSuming efilive was the problem without even having the slightest idea how ECM's or the engine wiring works? Bet you feel silly now for selling EFILive.

ben

This is what i thought right from the beginning of this thread. You can usaully get better help, and have stuff figured out faster if you keep a level head.

I may have jumped the gun. The tunes I was given with the package are not right for my truck though. There were two visual defects I could see. It did run fine until it stalled out on me with out an engine light. I do not mean to get pissy but trying to explain that the 4WD light and engine light did not light up when engaged and working fine after putting back to stock. Those are two defect seen. I am sure we went over this.
BTW, after they find the culprit,,,I am selling this truck with all the mods. There are several guys out there with the know how to work on LBZ's with mods and will serve a purpose for them. I will just get a new truck and no mods and rather wait till later to get a EFI with a custom tune from a BETTER vendor like Nick or Rob, nothing high power or anything, just a fuel economy tune and a small power tune to keep everything stock.

This is what i thought right from the beginning of this thread. You can usaully get better help, and have stuff figured out faster if you keep a level head.

If you look at my past threads on Help PO 106,,,lokk at how many people helped? :eek: