Well, looks like even with a broken front half shaft and completely stock, factory 245 tires, PPE's truck spun the tires down the track.

Netting 114+MPH vs TTS's best of 110 MPH.....not sure the tenths on both of these runs, since the light bulbs at the end of the track were not fully functional (burned bulbs).....

Wow, even with PPE's tire spinning time of about 12.3 seconds, they managed to blast past TTS's speed, and we all know that from previous posts on this site that MPH is the true indicator of HP.

As I was looking under PPE's hood, I noticed they even still had the stock air box/filter on their truck.....and no lift pump.


Good job guys........:ro)

:rolleyes: NOW only if they would come out with a hot one for the LLY:rolleyes:

Did they break the half shaft at the track, too much boost in 4wd?

According to one of their technicians, PPE weakened the half shaft at Glamis, in the sand!!!!!:ro)

I thought the 114 run was with an LLY? :confused:

The PPE LLY did well at LACR today. No other LLY tuner that ran could catch it on #2.

I thought the 114 run was with an LLY? :confused:
Nope i did 112 in my lly, would have been 114 + if i wern't riding my rev limiter for 3 seconds+.

Nope i did 112 in my lly, would have been 114 + if i wern't riding my rev limiter for 3 seconds+.
So are they going to put in a rev limiter raising option now?

So are they going to put in a rev limiter raising option now?
Not sure.. sure hope so tho. i think hes gonna work on it, not sure tho.

Here we go. . . . . .

Did you use it to change for your tire size? You might be able to cheat it that way and make it rev out...

Well, looks like even with a broken front half shaft and completely stock, factory 245 tires, PPE's truck spun the tires down the track.

Netting 114+MPH vs TTS's best of 110 MPH.....not sure the tenths on both of these runs, since the light bulbs at the end of the track were not fully functional (burned bulbs).....

Wow, even with PPE's tire spinning time of about 12.3 seconds, they managed to blast past TTS's speed, and we all know that from previous posts on this site that MPH is the true indicator of HP.

As I was looking under PPE's hood, I noticed they even still had the stock air box/filter on their truck.....and no lift pump.


Good job guys........:ro)What do you mean "broken" halfshaft? Doug was spinning his tires pretty hard too, and they aint stock size!!

Did you use it to change for your tire size? You might be able to cheat it that way and make it rev out...
I tried this once. It doesn't really work because if you change the tire size and axle ratios so they are way off then it messes up the abs. Basically everytime I went to hit the brakes I could fill the abs come on, and the brakes weren't really working very well. Plus the ABS and SES lights came on. Changed it back to what it is suppose to be and everything was fine again.

MPH................so what 2 mph faster..........:cool:

Who got there quicker ET wise ???????? HMMMMMMMM ??????

Point "A" to point "B" in "X" seconds is all that matters..............how fast you get there, not how fast your going when you get there.............:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

WHATEVER.........):h
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Actauly who ever crosses the finish line first is all that matters.

No on esaid if they raced heads up or if they had seperate races.

IMHO the lower ET is faster than MPH.

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You guys are always a riot. .........sheeesh, everyone knows it's the dyno queen that wins. ):h ):h





............... Grreat run dieselrcr337! It's about time the LLY started the climb.:ro)

No on esaid if they raced heads up or if they had seperate races.

IMHO the lower ET is faster than MPH.

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I did not even consider the possibillaty this thread was about two different races.:confused: LAME!

In that case if similar lights were cut, the lower ET would cross the finish line first.

Perhaps a better title for this thread would be "PPE LLY runs faster than TTS LLY at the track." Just don't forget even there you are comparing PPE's top tune against TTS's mid-level tune. Does PPE have a regular (non-Hot) Xcellerator for the LLY? Perhaps that would have been a solid matchup. The LLY TTS Extreme hasn't been released yet. Do I hear a nervous applause from the PPE crowd??

As for the LB7'S:

Apples to apples:

I ran another pewter Dmax LB7 4x4 PPE truck (very nice guy to talk to) and beat him handily.

Apples to oranges:

I heard the tan std cab PPE truck ran a 12.2 or thereabouts. Given I spotted him about a 1000lbs and 4 inches in tire height, even if he matched my 12.1 he's making considerably less power. And the taller All-Terrains I ran yesterday cost me .2 seconds vs. last month, but they're a compromise for when I'm sled-pulling. Speaking of pulling, any chance the tan PPE will be pulling this weekend with me in Houghson? I didn't think so. Again, everyone needs to recognize the PPE truck was purposely bought and tuned for the strip. Although I did drop my tailgate, I race my truck like I drive it.

Next Saturday at the pulls it'll be in the same configuration, with my three kids sitting in the backseat of the family sedan/dragracer/sledpullier on the drive up watching movies and spilling drinks everywhere no doubt.

Doug

Netting 114+MPH vs TTS's best of 110 MPH.....not sure the tenths on both of these runs, since the light bulbs at the end of the track were not fully functional (burned bulbs).....

Wow, even with PPE's tire spinning time of about 12.3 seconds, they managed to blast past TTS's speed, and we all know that from previous posts on this site that MPH is the true indicator of HP.

:ro)
Well I guess then PPE made more power than the black dodge too with 12.004 @ 111. (mph being true indicator of power, right?) LOL

Way to go Doug! Keep it up!

Glad to see it happening Doug. Congrats to all how did well and compeated. Looks like it was a wonderful time.

Well, looks like even with a broken front half shaft and completely stock, factory 245 tires, PPE's truck spun the tires down the track.

Netting 114+MPH vs TTS's best of 110 MPH.....not sure the tenths on both of these runs, since the light bulbs at the end of the track were not fully functional (burned bulbs).....

Wow, even with PPE's tire spinning time of about 12.3 seconds, they managed to blast past TTS's speed, and we all know that from previous posts on this site that MPH is the true indicator of HP.

As I was looking under PPE's hood, I noticed they even still had the stock air box/filter on their truck.....and no lift pump.


Good job guys........:ro)
Great job guys! You took the lightest truck you could find, added a PPE tuner, Nitrous and Propane, trailered it to the track, and now you want to compare it against a crew cab 4x4 with 295 BFGs at 7,000 lbs.

Kinda like advertising Flywheel HP, against RWHP.:eek: Power to weight is really not that hard to understand is it?

Or comparing the mph of a truck in 2 wheel drive vs 4 wheel drive?

Just more of the same BS from the PPE clowns. -:t

The PPE tunes run hard, it's a good product. Why don't you guys leave it at that, instead of trying to mislead your customers and others on the board into thinking you can out run an Xtreme LB7 truck in an apples to apples comparison?

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I totaly agree with you its apples to oranges indeed.

You beat a regular cab truck

In Irwindale I raced an LB7 with the Hot PPE tune:

My truck Crew Cab long bed with full tank did 8.68 @80.37mph (60'-1.99)
His was Extra Cab long bed with 1/2 tank 8.74 @79.5mph(60'-1.92)

There is no doubt in my mind that TTS is faster. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif

I think the title to this thread should change to:

"TTS Runs Faster Than PPE At The Track"


AND OH YA....PEANUT STAY OUT OF THIS ONE http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

Im Just Absorbing All This Good Info ;)

Im Just Absorbing All This Good Info ;)
Just don't absorb too much....gotta save room for the other stuff.........):h


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Perhaps a better title for this thread would be "PPE LLY runs faster than TTS LLY at the track." Just don't forget even there you are comparing PPE's top tune against TTS's mid-level tune. Does PPE have a regular (non-Hot) Xcellerator for the LLY? Perhaps that would have been a solid matchup. The LLY TTS Extreme hasn't been released yet. Do I hear a nervous applause from the PPE crowd??

As for the LB7'S:

Apples to apples:

I ran another pewter Dmax LB7 4x4 PPE truck (very nice guy to talk to) and beat him handily.

Apples to oranges:

I heard the tan std cab PPE truck ran a 12.2 or thereabouts. Given I spotted him about a 1000lbs and 4 inches in tire height, even if he matched my 12.1 he's making considerably less power. And the taller All-Terrains I ran yesterday cost me .2 seconds vs. last month, but they're a compromise for when I'm sled-pulling. Speaking of pulling, any chance the tan PPE will be pulling this weekend with me in Houghson? I didn't think so. Again, everyone needs to recognize the PPE truck was purposely bought and tuned for the strip. Although I did drop my tailgate, I race my truck like I drive it.

Next Saturday at the pulls it'll be in the same configuration, with my three kids sitting in the backseat of the family sedan/dragracer/sledpullier on the drive up watching movies and spilling drinks everywhere no doubt.

Doug

Doug,



Actually the title should have been, “Where was TTS’s regular 2 wheel drive Duramax Race truck?" It is even lighter than PPE’s 4X4……..



How many years has it been since we have been all waiting for the TTS power loader III?:( :( :(



Is the (TTS-LLY Extreme) following the same footsteps? :grd:


The race weight of PPE’s regular cab, LONG-BED truck was 6620lbs., unstripped and complete with a 5<SUP>th</SUP> wheel hitch and tail gate.

Compared to Doug’s stripped (SHORT BED) truck at 6910lbs…. Weight difference of about 290LBS, not 1000LBS!!!!!!!:D:D :D …….

The PPE truck actually looked not purpose built at all, compared to Doug's highly-modified truck.
No lift pump, no suspension traction clamps and bars, at least from the difference that I saw between the 2 trucks!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: …..

If Apples and Oranges are to be compared then at least the facts should be clear……:exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly:

I tried this once. It doesn't really work because if you change the tire size and axle ratios so they are way off then it messes up the abs. Basically everytime I went to hit the brakes I could fill the abs come on, and the brakes weren't really working very well. Plus the ABS and SES lights came on. Changed it back to what it is suppose to be and everything was fine again.
I didn't mean change it to way off numbers, just set it for the small size of his slicks. I changed my tire size for 285s and it runs out to 120. If he was still set for bigger tires than what he is running on the truck then it would run out of rpm before he hits top speed.

Doug,



Actually the title should have been, “Where was TTS’s regular 2 wheel drive Duramax Race truck?" It is even lighter than PPE’s 4X4……..



How many years has it been since we have been all waiting for the TTS power loader III?:( :( :(



Is the (TTS-LLY Extreme) following the same footsteps? :grd:


The race weight of PPE’s regular cab, LONG-BED truck was 6620lbs., unstripped and complete with a 5<SUP>th</SUP> wheel hitch and tail gate.

Compared to Doug’s stripped (SHORT BED) truck at 6910lbs…. Weight difference of about 290LBS, not 1000LBS!!!!!!!:D:D :D …….

The PPE truck actually looked not purpose built at all, compared to Doug's highly-modified truck.
No lift pump, no suspension traction clamps and bars, at least from the difference that I saw between the 2 trucks!!!!!!!!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: …..

If Apples and Oranges are to be compared then at least the facts should be clear……:exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly: :exactly:


I have raced Before with my tailgat on, my truck full of my tire changing tools. subwoofer boxes and my brother at 260, about a total weight of 360 pounds with no nos, and then i ran with out the tail gate and with out my brother and no tail gate etc.. about 360lbs less, and the damn truck ran the same!!:wtf:

Now when you add Nitrous into the mix. The weight is felt less.. so 290lbs is nothing for a couple of 6600lbs+ trucks.

Mechanically the engine RPM will stop a stock sized tire at ~115. If your tires are smaller, you cannot hit 115. No matter WHAT tire size you tell it, it's a direct ratio.

Three options:

Taller tires (32"s)
Different axle
Over-rev'g through programming. Move the engine limiter, not rescaling the speedo.

congrats doug :D

Great job guys! You took the lightest truck you could find, added a PPE tuner, Nitrous and Propane, trailered it to the track, and now you want to compare it against a crew cab 4x4 with 295 BFGs at 7,000 lbs.

Kinda like advertising Flywheel HP, against RWHP.:eek: Power to weight is really not that hard to understand is it?

Or comparing the mph of a truck in 2 wheel drive vs 4 wheel drive?

Just more of the same BS from the PPE clowns. -:t

The PPE tunes run hard, it's a good product. Why don't you guys leave it at that, instead of trying to mislead your customers and others on the board into thinking you can out run an Xtreme LB7 truck in an apples to apples comparison?

Finally,

I get to respond to the the TTS Flunkie, Trippin, Slippin, Flippin, scared Little Boy. You stated you wanted to test the PPE Tune, you ordered it, paid for it, received it, got scared because of the best product you received in your hands, returned it, and of course got a refund!!. All for what??? Your daddy told you not to play with grown people's things!:cool: :cool: :cool: Then you proceed to flap your jaws on a website because you could not come out to play???
Still a little boy holding your Daddy's hand walking through DISNEYLAND!!!:help: :help: :help: :help: :(:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

The very next time you call a newcomer, (PPE's marketing blitz), I suggest you run to your daddy and convey to him, excuse me your vocabulary is limited, I mean SAY to him, "DADDY, THEY'RE PICKING ON ME AGAIN, WHAT DO I DO?" He'll tell you like I'm telling you, STAY OUT OF GROWN FOLKS BUSINESS!:muahaha: :muahaha: :muahaha: :muahaha:


Just more of the same BS from the PPE Clowns.... What an idot?:eek: :eek: :eek:

:stirthepo

Perhaps a better title for this thread would be "PPE LLY runs faster than TTS LLY at the track." Just don't forget even there you are comparing PPE's top tune against TTS's mid-level tune. Does PPE have a regular (non-Hot) Xcellerator for the LLY? Perhaps that would have been a solid matchup. The LLY TTS Extreme hasn't been released yet. Do I hear a nervous applause from the PPE crowd??

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For "released" tuners or "unreleased" LLY tuners, yesterday had the quickest "heavy" LLY at 13.99 @ 94.4 on a under-boosted 1.92 60' running a PPE tune + VA. And I backed it with 5 14.0x passes on #2. I will test the PPE pressure box stacked so it's a "pure" PPE production release stack. It might go quicker or slower or the same. But it's certainly the quickest released LLY by a bunch even unstacked. 14.2 @ 94 unstacked.

I'd be more than happy to experiment with the TTS beta, but it is unavailable. I'm running 100% production release tuning. Shrink wrap off-the-shelf. Before the races I gave PPE back their Beta, and ran their retail product.

PS - My truck was scaled two weeks ago with spare, minus tailgate at 7480 at the Redding pull. I dropped the spare, so I was running 7400lb yesterday.

I don't know what the claims / counterclaims were on the LLY side, but on this thread or the other PPE thread there was a claim that the PPE Hot Xcellerator was faster than the TTS Extreme (DSL_Best <-> Diesel Power).

Yesterday that question was answered. The TTS Extreme is faster than the PPE Hot Excelerator for the LB7. That don't mean the Hot Xcellerator isn't a good tuner or a powerful tuner, but right now, it's not as fast so let's move on. I am.

Doug

Doug, What truck were both tunes tested on? Was it the same day and conditions? I thought that was what was going to happen?:grd:

:sign_weir

For "released" tuners or "unreleased" LLY tuners, yesterday had the quickest "heavy" LLY at 13.99 @ 94.4 on a under-boosted 1.92 60' running a PPE tune + VA. And I backed it with 5 14.0x passes on #2. I will test the PPE pressure box stacked so it's a "pure" PPE production release stack. It might go quicker or slower or the same. But it's certainly the quickest released LLY by a bunch even unstacked. 14.2 @ 94 unstacked.

I'd be more than happy to experiment with the TTS beta, but it is unavailable. I'm running 100% production release tuning. Shrink wrap off-the-shelf. Before the races I gave PPE back their Beta, and ran their retail product.
Possible argument from the TTS Beta, which ran 3 14.04x's on #2 unstacked also on a "heavy" LLY. 5/100's is not a signiicant number. Also ran 12.95 and 12.91 on drugs unstacked. More and faster to come...

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I totaly agree with you its apples to oranges indeed.

You beat a regular cab truck

In Irwindale I raced an LB7 with the Hot PPE tune:

My truck Crew Cab long bed with full tank did 8.68 @80.37mph (60'-1.99)
His was Extra Cab long bed with 1/2 tank 8.74 @79.5mph(60'-1.92)

There is no doubt in my mind that TTS is faster. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif

I think the title to this thread should change to:

"TTS Runs Faster Than PPE At The Track"


AND OH YA....PEANUT STAY OUT OF THIS ONE http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

I think you meant to say, and or must have forgot that the truck you raced actually was a crew cab just like yours except it even had a lift kit.
Was his transmission modified like yours?
don't recall seeing this on his info....


Same truck same driver different program, that is what we want to see!!
also same truck same dyno different program!!

See posts 236-241 in the "other" PPE thread. Doug's truck was about 40-50 HP better than the PPE truck.

These 2 new guys just don't get it, do they?

Tom :eek:

Possible argument from the TTS Beta, which ran 3 14.04x's on #2 unstacked also on a "heavy" LLY. 5/100's is not a signiicant number. Also ran 12.95 and 12.91 on drugs unstacked. More and faster to come...

Steve Cole is one of the best tuners in the country. He had the first tune for the LLY, and it's still the best tow tune I've tested.

His "medium" LLY tune is the most 1093 resistant 120HP tune I've tested.

But as far as what readers here can run on their trucks, the Tow Tune is it. I understand his upper tunes for the LLY are not "perfect", but NONE are. IMO, he should release his race tunes for sale with a disclaimer, and let us take our chances. Of course it would be nice if we could get the tune upgraded for a nominal fee if it becomes available, but right now us LLY guys are sucking hind tit. Edge has a "race box" we can't buy, TTS has a "race box" we can't buy, and from what I hear there might even be another.

So when are these "Great Tunes" going to be available to us? It getting alot of LLY racers discouraged. Not just me.

Here's the #1 problem: The 06 is getting a different computer. LLY's are going to be an 18 month run. I fear they are going to be skipped over if we don't get hot tunes before the 06 is released. Ophaned.

Here's an open challenge to ALL LLY tuners: At this point you cannot produce a retail product to kick PPE's ass. Prove me wrong.

Same truck same driver different program, that is what we want to see!!
also same truck same dyno different program!!

YEA ME 2:ro)

I think you meant to say, and or must have forgot that the truck you raced actually was a crew cab just like yours except it even had a lift kit.
Was his transmission modified like yours?
don't recall seeing this on his info....


Same truck same driver different program, that is what we want to see!!
also same truck same dyno different program!!
No....it was an Extra Cab without a lift .
Both trucks have only a Trans-Go with a triple TC from Suncoast.
The crew cab did a ....9.0.

Doesn't Doug's truck has lift pump and a ATS copilot! I spoke with Joe @ PPE and he does not have a pump or a copilot.... We need to test both on the same truck same day!!!!!:grd:

See posts 236-241 in the "other" PPE thread. Doug's truck was about 40-50 HP better than the PPE truck.

These 2 new guys just don't get it, do they?

Tom :eek:
actually the post shows PPE's HP to be 51HP more....

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hp mph wgt

= 816HP for PPE
= 765HP for TTS

according to your formula......
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No....it was an Extra Cab without a lift .
Both trucks have only a Trans-Go with a triple TC from Suncoast.
The crew cab did a ....9.0.
Still a differnt truck and we all know how much trucks differ!!!:help:

actually the post shows PPE's HP to be 51HP more....

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hp mph wgt

= 816HP for PPE
= 765HP for TTS

according to your formula......
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Doesn't Doug's truck has lift pump and a ATS copilot! I spoke with Joe @ PPE and he does not have a pump or a copilot.... We need to test both on the same truck same day!!!!!:grd:from what i have heard on this forum a lift pump makes a big difference with these extreme type programs, and also according to ATS the copilot is good for an additional 2 tenths to prevent shifting delays.....

But let me tell you this guy Doug sure can drive!

He is a Pro......:ro)

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Great job guys! You took the lightest truck you could find, added a PPE tuner, Nitrous and Propane, trailered it to the track, and now you want to compare it against a crew cab 4x4 with 295 BFGs at 7,000 lbs.

Kinda like advertising Flywheel HP, against RWHP.:eek: Power to weight is really not that hard to understand is it?

Or comparing the mph of a truck in 2 wheel drive vs 4 wheel drive?

Just more of the same BS from the PPE clowns. -:t

The PPE tunes run hard, it's a good product. Why don't you guys leave it at that, instead of trying to mislead your customers and others on the board into thinking you can out run an Xtreme LB7 truck in an apples to apples comparison?

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Finally,

I get to respond to the the TTS Flunkie, Trippin, Slippin, Flippin, scared Little Boy. You stated you wanted to test the PPE Tune, you ordered it, paid for it, received it, got scared because of the best product you received in your hands, returned it, and of course got a refund!!. All for what??? Your daddy told you not to play with grown people's things!:cool: :cool: :cool: Then you proceed to flap your jaws on a website because you could not come out to play???
Still a little boy holding your Daddy's hand walking through DISNEYLAND!!!:help: :help: :help: :help: :(:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

The very next time you call a newcomer, (PPE's marketing blitz), I suggest you run to your daddy and convey to him, excuse me your vocabulary is limited, I mean SAY to him, "DADDY, THEY'RE PICKING ON ME AGAIN, WHAT DO I DO?" He'll tell you like I'm telling you, STAY OUT OF GROWN FOLKS BUSINESS!:muahaha: :muahaha: :muahaha: :muahaha:


Just more of the same BS from the PPE Clowns.... What an idot?:eek: :eek: :eek:

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That was a pretty cool personal attack, I don't know what place it has in a diesel, power and performance forum. It doesn't really answer anything trippin brought up.

Just more of the same BS from the PPE Clowns.... What an idot?:eek: :eek: :eek:^^^ Speaking of vocabulary, what does that mean? Idot? is that something new like an Ipod? Just never heard of one, guess I have limited vocabulary also.

Can we make the BadMan go away??? :lol:

Steve Cole is one of the best tuners in the country. He had the first tune for the LLY, and it's still the best tow tune I've tested.

His "medium" LLY tune is the most 1093 resistant 120HP tune I've tested.

But as far as what readers here can run on their trucks, the Tow Tune is it. I understand his upper tunes for the LLY are not "perfect", but NONE are. IMO, he should release his race tunes for sale with a disclaimer, and let us take our chances. Of course it would be nice if we could get the tune upgraded for a nominal fee if it becomes available, but right now us LLY guys are sucking hind tit. Edge has a "race box" we can't buy, TTS has a "race box" we can't buy, and from what I hear there might even be another.
I guess I see things different. I will not release a tune until I feel it's ready, if our testers do not do there job properly it just slows the whole process down. I do not want the general public to be responsibly for seeing if it's tuned properly. Setting codes is not acceptable for the normal tunes, and just because everyone else's do it doesn't mean I want ours too. If that doesn't fit what your looking for then buy one of the others LLY tunes. When its ready they will be released and from the testing that has been done we already have the other single tunes covered. We don't make stacks we make one program to do the job. Magu ran 14.04 (three passes in a row) at the DHRA event in Palmdale on our single tune this weekend and Denis from TS Performance ran 13.6 - 13.7 with it in his truck at the DHRA event in Bowling Green this weekend. Denis took 2 place in street diesel and third in pro street diesel. So things are looking up but were not finished yet.

Koooool !:rocking: :rockit:

Denis from TS Performance ran 13.6 - 13.7 with it in his truck at the DHRA event in Bowling Green this weekend. Denis took 2 place in street diesel and third in pro street diesel. So things are looking up but were not finished yet.
Was Denis's LLY truck a crew cab long bed 3500HD?

Good job Deni's:ro)

I guess I see things different. I will not release a tune until I feel it's ready, if our testers do not do there job properly it just slows the whole process down. I do not want the general public to be responsibly for seeing if it's tuned properly. Setting codes is not acceptable for the normal tunes, and just because everyone else's do it doesn't mean I want ours too. If that doesn't fit what your looking for then buy one of the others LLY tunes. When its ready they will be released and from the testing that has been done we already have the other single tunes covered. We don't make stacks we make one program to do the job. Magu ran 14.04 (three passes in a row) at the DHRA event in Palmdale on our single tune this weekend and Denis from TS Performance ran 13.6 - 13.7 with it in his truck at the DHRA event in Bowling Green this weekend. Denis took 2 place in street diesel and third in pro street diesel. So things are looking up but were not finished yet.

Fixing the P1093 for LLY's requires editing the P1093 error parameters out of it. Change the parameter temp, RPM, etc, when it enables the check, or edit the 2000 RPM limit. If I had the tools to do it, I would. Still awaiting tools. Truck drives and races just fine. 1093's are still random occurances.

In a way, it IS import to mfr's to get rid of it. It is actually a safety issue as it occurs mostly when passing. For racers, it is of lessor concern.

Hopefully you are not implying that my test of TTS tunes was inadequate. TTS tunes have approximately 25,000mi on my truck. Dyno's, drags, towing, daily driving, high altitude, low altitude, etc, etc. Few LLY's have over 30,000 miles on them. Probably by the end of the month, I will break 40,000.
Yes, in that 33,xxx miles I have tested other tuners as well, but mostly the racetrack and dyno. Until yesterday, all competition events I've run have been done with TTS tunes. I can't think of another product I've tested as throughly.

ET's at Bowling Green != ET's at LACR. Door to door is where it's at. Not taking anything from Denis, but that is a low altitude track that has a few national records. Not the fastest track, but WAY faster than the High Desert.

If I get the trans freshened up, I estimate the truck will run 13.9 on the PPE alone at LACR, and about 13.7 stacked. I have the MPH and the 60', but something is missing at mid track. Hopefully I'll find out what.

Data on the 13.99:

RT .056
60 1.920
330 5.698
1/8 8.857
mph 77.772
1/4 13.992
mph 94.414

Previous pass = 14.02, previous pass = 14.03. Trans kept getting better and better. 13.99 was done fairly late in the day as things were slowing down. It was about the worst 60' of the day, as the truck was doing 1.85's most passes.

badman is a pu$$y. Bet your 15 years old, have heavy acne, girls hate you ( boys probably find you very attractive) and parents have threatened to send you to a military school. You probably have Duramax pictures all over your bedroom wall along with naked women, but you worry that mommy might walk in so you only use one pin for the naked women( quick release) to hide them. You really don't care about any kind of trucks as you are a troll. You hide behind your computer and dish the $hit out. We can handle this with no problem cause we know what you are. You unfortunately will have to go through life with the mentality that you have and that is sad. Get some help before it's too late. Acne can be cured. How you handle women is up to you; try boys.

badman is a pu$$y. Bet your 15 years old, have heavy acne, girls hate you ( boys probably find you very attractive) and parents have threatened to send you to a military school. You probably have Duramax pictures all over your bedroom wall along with naked women, but you worry that mommy might walk in so you only use one pin for the naked women( quick release) to hide them. You really don't care about any kind of trucks as you are a troll. You hide behind your computer and dish the $hit out. We can handle this with no problem cause we know what you are. You unfortunately will have to go through life with the mentality that you have and that is sad. Get some help before it's too late. Acne can be cured. How you handle women is up to you; try boys.
Lets all try to be profesional here, this type of post will just add more fuel to the fire, after all Mike, we look to you as also a profesional. :)

Fixing the P1093 for LLY's requires editing the P1093 error parameters out of it. Change the parameter temp, RPM, etc, when it enables the check, or edit the 2000 RPM limit. If I had the tools to do it, I would. Still awaiting tools. Truck drives and races just fine. 1093's are still random occurances.

In a way, it IS import to mfr's to get rid of it. It is actually a safety issue as it occurs mostly when passing. For racers, it is of lessor concern.Are you reading what your typing? Turning the test off does not fix anything! This is just the kind of thinking that keeps things from working properly and yes, I am talking about your testing of the Beta II tune. You have been more interested in going faster than the next guy then doing the testing to get to the bottom of the 1093 problem and this post just points it out more! The pressure is falling out of specification and if you had done as you were suppose too you would have already known that. Turning a light off, and/or turning the corrective action off isn't a fix in my book but maybe it is in yours!

As far as your times verses Denis's times I did not compare them you did. You ran a stack at LACR to 13.99, 14.02, 14.03. Magu ran our single tune 14.04 3 runs in a row at the same event.

badman is a pu$$y. Bet your 15 years old, have heavy acne, girls hate you ( boys probably find you very attractive) and parents have threatened to send you to a military school. You probably have Duramax pictures all over your bedroom wall along with naked women, but you worry that mommy might walk in so you only use one pin for the naked women( quick release) to hide them. You really don't care about any kind of trucks as you are a troll. You hide behind your computer and dish the $hit out. We can handle this with no problem cause we know what you are. You unfortunately will have to go through life with the mentality that you have and that is sad. Get some help before it's too late. Acne can be cured. How you handle women is up to you; try boys.
Man, tell us how you really feel about this.... LOL
I think you nailed that one, seriously. This guy and a few others drop in here and without notice start posting all kinds of cr@p and never even think twice about doing it. Guess we need to weed out the bad ones and keep the others... Nice post Mike....:exactly:

whew..........I say take it all to the track

Are you reading what your typing? Turning the test off does not fix anything! This is just the kind of thinking that keeps things from working properly and yes, I am talking about your testing of the Beta II tune. You have been more interested in going faster than the next guy then doing the testing to get to the bottom of the 1093 problem and this post just points it out more! The pressure is falling out of specification and if you had done as you were suppose too you would have already known that. Turning a light off, and/or turning the corrective action off isn't a fix in my book but maybe it is in yours!

As far as your times verses Denis's times I did not compare them you did. You ran a stack at LACR to 13.99, 14.02, 14.03. Magu ran our single tune 14.04 3 runs in a row at the same event.
Diesel Tech,
I don't think bashing one of our very highly respected members for trying to help is going to solve the 1093 problem....

Diesel Tech,
I don't think bashing one of our very highly respected members for trying to help is going to solve the 1093 problem....



SILLY WABBIT DONT YOU KNOW ITS JUST PAR FOR THE COURSE -:t

I get to respond to the the TTS Flunkie, Trippin, Slippin, Flippin, scared Little Boy. You stated you wanted to test the PPE Tune, you ordered it, paid for it, received it, got scared because of the best product you received in your hands, returned it, and of course got a refund!!. All for what??? Your daddy told you not to play with grown people's things!:cool: :cool: :cool: Then you proceed to flap your jaws on a website because you could not come out to play???
Still a little boy holding your Daddy's hand walking through DISNEYLAND!!!:help: :help: :help: :help: :(:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

The very next time you call a newcomer, (PPE's marketing blitz), I suggest you run to your daddy and convey to him, excuse me your vocabulary is limited, I mean SAY to him, "DADDY, THEY'RE PICKING ON ME AGAIN, WHAT DO I DO?" He'll tell you like I'm telling you, STAY OUT OF GROWN FOLKS BUSINESS!:muahaha: :muahaha: :muahaha: :muahaha:


Just more of the same BS from the PPE Clowns.... What an idot?:eek: :eek: :eek:


The thread got closed before I had a chance to address your post.

Thanks for the personal attack. Don't present any facts or for that matter anything of intelligent substance, just call me out with your playground style insults. :eek:

I clearly stated in another post that I had in fact purchased a Hot Xcelerator for my LB7 and I also stated that I returned it in it's "unopened" Fed Ex Box.
The reason, as I had stated earlier in another post was that I didn't believe it to be anything other than a re-cased Bully Dog/Quad thing. And that there was no reason for me to buy it for $1,000.00 and then spend another $400.00 to prove it.

If you or PPE want to prove your tune is better than the Xtreme (and you very obviously do, based on all the sudden PPE hype by new members/PPE employees) than lets meet at a neutral dyno facility, say Westech's Superflow in Mira Loma and run them back to back on my truck. Then let's go to the track and repeat the tests. I'll drive it when equipped with the Xtreme you can drive it with the PPE tune. If it is better, then I will buy it, pay for the dyno time, and tell the world how much better it is than the TTS Xtreme. If it is worse, then you or PPE pay for the dyno time. You can keep the results to yourself. Seems like a pretty fair deal.

FYI, I just paid to dyno the new Quad tunes stacked with an Edge and guess what, the TTS Xtreme was still better. So what do you say? Want to come out and play? :D

There is a reason my sig has so many dyno test listed in it. I want the best and am willing to buy and test anything of substance. Perhaps in this case I was wrong to return it. Perhaps it is the best. Why don't we get together and prove it? :help2:

PPE has some good tunes out, although the timing of their release with the new Quad tunes is a little coincidental don't you think?

All the features such as trans tap cell clearing seem to be exactly like the Quad. Can you explain the coincidence?

Yet the Quad is $699.00

I'm sure someone will come out with a tune that beats the TTS Xtreme and when they do I will be one of the first to buy one and relegate my TTS Xtreme to the box of horsepower where all my other "old" tuners live.

Until then my friend, if someone is looking to buy the best, I refuse to let you mislead them with all the PPE marketing hype.

Thanks for stopping by.........









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