I blew my new one up today!! :( It is a 2005 and I have 7500 miles on it. I was getting on the freeway and noticed it did not shift into OD. I ran it up to 80 and it did not shift. When I let off it started rattling like it threw a rod. Limped it to the side of the road and it died. Would not restart. Dealer sent a tow truck. 1st time in 700,000 miles with the Dmax's that I got towed. Got to the dealer and it started, but sounded really bad. Lots of nasty smelling smoke. Dealer said it must have dropped a valve and it will take over 2 weeks to fix.
Any Ideas?
I was not really pushing it, and I have not yet.
Should they and will they just give me a new truck?

Just one of those things I suspect. Something not tight or something let go.

They will replace the motor. I don't think you would be able to get a new truck if you tried.

Sorry to hear about that. At least you will get a new motor!

man, i hate to hear that. keep us posted on this one.

Rick,
Say as little as possible and deny everything.:cool:
Josh

no pictures at high risk events and deny, deny, deny.

That's still a pretty good average for the miles you have put on duramax trucks.

Rick, I got mine hauled in last nite, the 1093 code wouldn't reset so it was in limp mode all the time.
BTW a flatbed furd 7.3 hauled it off.

:damnit1: :wtf1: :confuzeld :drinking: :sorrysign

Rarely do words fail me! :o: Good luck. JJ :)

Can happen to anyone. Some engines will go high mileage and no problems, a few just don't make the grade. Luck of the draw. Was behind a guy on I-10 who was driving a brand new 74 series BMW home from dealer. Engine blew itself out the pan and the old guy was only going about 60 mph. Push for new engine, no rebuild of yours or something reconditioned.

Rick, Sorry to hear about the truck. Hope this had nothing to do with how fast you got home from Valencia ca. :eek: Will the warrenty cover a loaner truck?

Hope it will all workout,
Jim

Well I only drove 3-5 mph over the speed limit.):h I didn't even have a chip on it.

sorry old boy but sh------tttttt happens the waiting is the worst part, hope everthing works out

Rick, sorry to here what happened. What was your trans temp, Mine wouldn't shift during December when the outside temp was around 22F and I didn't let it warm up enough. I started pulling my 5er back home and it would not shift out of third gear in tow mode, and the rpms were around 3200 for a short period of time, speed was around 55 so I slowed down until the temp on the trans went up. After that it shifted fine. I was told by an Allison rep that the trans will do that in tow mode until it warms up to around 100 with outside temps that low-:t . I also have around 7500 on my 05 Dmax, and about to take a vacation from Louisiana to Florida (Disney) pulling a 7500 5er, man I hope I don't have any problems !!:confused:

YUK!

I suppose with the amount of trucks you have had it was only a matter of time before you got bitten.

I bet this engine goes straight to GM for failure analysis at that low mileage!

I had just drove to the resturant where we ate, and when I left it did it. 80 degrees outside. Truck was still warm from the 20 mile trip there.

sorry to hear, hope they take good care of you on this. 2 weeks, thats along time to replace an engine!!!!!!!

Depends on how long they take, some states say if it takes longer than (?) days to fix, it’s a lemon, and you get a new one. Check you states lemon laws and hope they take a loooong time to fixi it. Have them give you a nice Corvette as loaner.

My fight now is to get a rental that I can tow with. I spent all afternoon at the dealer, and so far no luck. I got mad at the GM call center and told them to just keep the truck. We'll see what tomorrow brings.

It let something go in #3 cylinder. Doesn't appear to be a valve. The injector end was beat up. The head should be off tomorrow.

Hmmm maybe I should be a little easier until I get a few more miles on it. -:t

Think they got all the bugs worked out of the LLY? mine was biult 3/21/05:grd: on a monday. just getting ready to call the dealer for my 1st oil change at 3000 miles.:beerchug:

Hmmm maybe I should be a little easier until I get a few more miles on it. -:t

Think they got all the bugs worked out of the LLY? mine was biult 3/21/05:grd: on a monday. just getting ready to call the dealer for my 1st oil change at 3000 miles.:beerchug:
The truck was built on 3/21/05?

The motors come to them assembled, so the motor could have been built a week to a month earlier.

...Should they and will they just give me a new truck?
While you're waiting around for the repairs, do some research on your state's lemon law. Usually a vehicle under 12/12 qualifies.
Ed

Well today it got interesting. I don't have a problem with my motor taking a dump. It's gonna happen. My problem was with the fact that they would not give me a like truck as a rental. If I wanted to drive a Toyota pickup I would have bought one!! I told GM last night they could have the truck back and I would get my stuff out of it tomorrow. I was so mad after getting the run around I thought I was going to explode.

Today I drove up there and started unloading my stuff. The mechanic was just pulling the head. It demolished #3 cylinder. No valves left. Not even a piston.

I told him I was done and he said it was a good thing. There are no motors available till after the 24th of this month. It would probrably take 10 days to get here and a week to put in. Some of you may be going faster than I can type. The Lemon Law in Missouri says that any vehicle that can NOT be repaired within 30 days is a LEMON. I called GM and reminded them of this. They called my dealer to confirm. Wheels are turning everywhere! Later in the day I get a call from the Parts manager at Molle. GM will now pay for the full rental on my F450 diesel flatbed-:t . They have searched all dealers inventory for a motor and no luck. They are now going to try to pull some strings and get a new, NOT REBUILT, motor assembled for me within the next 2 weeks or pulled from the assembly line.

WOW, what a differance from yesterday! The people at Molle Chevrolet are first rate, but their hands were tied. I guess fate helped me out a little. It's just sad that big business does not respond to their customers needs as well as they should.

Glad to see things are starting to roll the right way. Keep us posted. That is one melted head!!!

If they gave you a good rental truck I would hang out and not be a bug..when 31 days of it being out of service came up, cuz you know they ain't going to fix it, I would demand a NEW Truck!!!!

You don't want that truck back. Especially with as many miles as you drive!

Just my 2 cents

did they tell you what caused it

OWWW!!!!!

Gives a new meaning to the term "My engine is missing on #3"

Errr... THE PISTON IS MISSING ON #3!!!!

Looks like a valve train failure. Broken spring, stuck valve, valve head fell off, etc.

The only thing I get so far is it must have dropped a valve. Because of the amount of damage we will most likely never know.

Rick, was this the same truck you said felt 'gutless?'

Never seen a piston completely missing from the rod and wrist pin, but I've only seen it done to gasser engines.

O my!

Wow Rick! Sorry to hear about this........

Looks like you've already got a whole lot of good advice already. Juice does bring up a good point, though....

Tom

I'm not sure what juice is refering to. None of the LLY's have the LB7's pulling power, but this truck was too new to tell how it was going to run. It was doing good on fuel mileage though.

Sorry to hear about your truck Rick. Is this problem going to keep you from buying another GM diesel down the road, or do you figure you just got a bad motor? Hope everything works out well for ya.

William

I'm not sure what juice is refering to. None of the LLY's have the LB7's pulling power, but this truck was too new to tell how it was going to run. It was doing good on fuel mileage though.
Your old sig used to have an LLY that you referred to as a pig.... i thought this was the one

Uhhh, not to be nit-picky here, but isn't that the #4 cylinder :confused:, or do I have Dyslexia at this late hour?



Gary

I don't know about MT, but at 16,000 pounds my 05 will hit 1375 degrees @ 65 MPH on a small hill. STOCK! The Edge EZ will put it over 1425 on lowest setting.

i dont know but you must have been pushing her to hard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sounds like it....

wbens, the engine problem won't keep me from buying another GM, but the way I had to fight for a decent rental might.

Juice, I have not been totally satified with any of the LLY's power, compared to the LB7's, but I have only had this one for 3 weeks. Too soon to call it a pig.

Grey Ghost, the paper work says its #3, and after looking at one of my other trucks it looks like the pass. side is the odd side, but I'll double check with the mechanic.

U LUZ, if 16,000 pounds gross @ 65 mph on a small hill is pushing it, I might need a semi to pull my 21 foot boat to Lake Havazu. I also pulled everything off the truck right after that, till I can get an exhaust & intake to help lower the temps.

Your old sig used to have an LLY that you referred to as a pig.... i thought this was the oneJuice, I think that you're thinking of gardnerteam's sig.....Could be wrong about that..:confused:

And Rick, sorry to hear about this...That head puts the UG in ugly..
Hope they have that truck back on the road soon, or that you have another new one in the driveway..

Scott

I want to Thank all you guys for all your support and idea's. Even if I don't agree with some of what I read here, it still helps get the gears in my head turning.

Juice, I think that you're thinking of gardnerteam's sig.....Could be wrong about that..:confused:

And Rick, sorry to hear about this...That head puts the UG in ugly..
Hope they have that truck back on the road soon, or that you have another new one in the driveway..

Scott
Wouldn't be the first time i was wrong!:D

I want to Thank all you guys for all your support and idea's. Even if I don't agree with some of what I read here, it still helps get the gears in my head turning.Hi Rick,

Sorry to hear about this problem. I am not sure what your State's Lemon Laws are, but I only had success with GM after I involved an attorney. My two cents, get legal help and GM should give you more attention.

Good Luck!

1890 miles on mine two bent push rods and top of valve chewed up.
took 35 days to get a motor they told me May 24th or 26th im glad it showed up early.

Seems like an awful long time to install a motor. When mine blew in Tx. last year, they shipped one up from Houston, 200 miles, & installed in a day and a half. Total down time 2 1/2 days. Guess I was lucky.

Its got nothing to do with installing it.
The dealer has bent over backwards for me. the problem is getting Isuzu to ship one.

The story I get is that they don't have any available. They will not have till the end of the month. I hope they are not going through all they can make just for repairs.

tell em you want em to replace it with the Duramax 7800 inline 6 :D

tell em you want em to replace it with the Duramax 7800 inline 6 :D:ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro)

With dual twin turbos too.

I have a o04 lly. It has been running terrible for a few days. Bad diesel around here. Changed feuel filter 3 timess and ran clean deisel through it. Still missing and popping so I checked dtc's. came up with 4 of them. 0301, 0401, 0404, 1223. Anybody have a list of the codes or know what the problem might be? think egr may be part of problem.. any response will be helpful.

check out http://www.obdii.com/codes.html

I KNOW someone posted this link before, but I couldn't find it.

Tom

Rick,
i got my truck back today it took 40 days.

Donnie 1, I am glad you got it back. I hope you have the kind of luck you should from here on out. They rented me a Furd f450 and it is terrible. Mileage towing has ranged from 4.2 to 5.7. I am going to take it back and do without if it doesn't get any better.

I've been following this thread, Rick, and am sorry to see you having to go through this.

5 mpg towing with that F450! That is outrageous! How can anyone justify even owning a truck like that??!!

that is crappy fuel mileage. Granted it's a bigger truck that either of the 2500's or 3500's but 4-5 mpg is just plain retarded. Makes the 9-12 range seem amazing.

It did get 11 mpg today,,,, DOWNHILL and EMPTY!!

Someone should start a thread about failed (destroyed engines) with a poll to track the number of engines that failed. And ask for pics and causes. I have heard of several others that had the same (similar) failure. So far I don't know of any that were not replaced by the dealer (warranty). However, I hope nobody has this happen at 100,001 miles !! :rant:

Remarkable, that as far as we push, our reliability has been no worse than a CTD. In many cases it seems to be better. BUT will ours last as long BOMBed the same level as the CTD?

I lost mine with only 10k mi, happened at startup in my back yard! It sounded bad and was nowhere near that tore up, I could only imagine what that must have sounded like! My replacement came complete including injectors and exhaust manifolds and if it makes you feel any better, I have had zero problems with the truck in the 12k miles since the engine was replaced.


Good Luck!

They rented me a Furd f450 and it is terrible. Mileage towing has ranged from 4.2 to 5.7. I am going to take it back and do without if it doesn't get any better.


:lol: 4.2 mpg

That's sad mileage for a small pickup engine.

My Dump Truck with a CAT 14.7 liter with 550 hp and 1850 ft lb's of torque with a GVW of 75,000 lbs and the aerodynamic coeficiant of a Brick can get 6.5 mpg on the highway doing 65 mph all day long and that's with poor rear end gearing (4.56) for highway driving.

These engine's in the pickup's should be doing a lot better, including the Duramax

Furd update. had to park it. Trip back from Tucson empty averaged 7.4 mpg!!!

Chevy update. Motor is in!!! Its amazing what knowing what to shout will get you. Box says Reman, but looks new. Now we're fighting over injectors. They only want to replace one!!

Hi,

If they are putting in a NEW MOTOR, you should get NEW INJECTORS, or you get a NEW TRUCK!! I would mention the lemon law to them again, and fight fot 8 new injectors!! And if they still won't work with you, then ( as Ricky in TPB says.... ) " Tell them to take the SCensored T tornado to FCensored koffity land!! "

I don't know how this lemon law works, but I wish we had it up here!! I will have to do some research!!

Take care, good luck, and keep us posted!!

Will

Diesel Dragon, I agree on the fuel mileage issue with the new light truck diesels. My first diesel, 93 CTD Dodge 5spd, got almost twice the mileage. I have a '87 L9000 with an L10 Cummins, hauling over 25000 lbs, that gets within a mile or two to the gal. of my LLY chev hauling a job box that tares at about 1000 lbs. and maybe a 100 lbs. of mud. The company I do some work for just added 3 short box club cabs ( small tank) LLY gmc's to their fleet and they have to be refueled every day working in town. Williams Bros, gm won a law suit a few years ago ( an LB7 owner on his 3rd set of injectors), that basically said if the truck takes you to work and back gm has honoured it's contract with you. I hired a law firm to get my money back when gm said it could not fix my truck (they confirmed the problems,surging and engine knocking at highway speeds with a black box) but just said tooo bad,we'll work on it. So if you find a way to shove it to them in Canada, post it please.

Hey Rick,



Any updates??????









Gary

My latest argument with them is the injectors. GM just wants to replace just one. I have explained to them that there is debree in all the cylinders, but they don't seem to care. All this is going to do is drag out my down time. I am sure at least 1 other injector must have got beat up, and will require replacement after start up.

...and G.M.'s CEO makes how much a year...and yet they squabble over a few bucks to "make you whole" ? With aluminum @ $1.45 a pound at the recycle yard, just have every line woker @ GM throw in their empty soda cans at the end of the shift; go to the recycle center & cash them in to "buy" you 8 new injectors...! Frikkin' idiots...!

Rick sorry to hear about the problems, I have been following the thread, I would continue to argue until they have the truck 30 days. The call your atty, and lemon it. When you do so they give you several options New Truck, money back, money back extended warranty keep truck.


At least that way you can get a brand new truck to replace your BRAND NEW TRUCK.


Good Luck.

GM and I are going through the lemon loop on my 04.5 that they can't fix.

Hi,

If they are putting in a NEW MOTOR, you should get NEW INJECTORS, or you get a NEW TRUCK!! I would mention the lemon law to them again, and fight for 8 new injectors!! And if they still won't work with you, then ( as Ricky in TPB says.... ) " Tell them to take the Shttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/censored.gif T tornado to Fhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/censored.gif koffity land!! "

I don't know how this lemon law works, but I wish we had it up here!! I will have to do some research!!

Take care, good luck, and keep us posted!!

Will

Rick,

I agree with the guys saying that you should get new injectors. I know that your dealership seems to be doing all they can for you but sometimes you just have to be an a$$hole to take care of yourself. I have been a member here for a while and while I don't post a lot I do read a lot. I have seen others go through this and end up needing MANY return trips to the shop to fix what should have been done right the first time.

The **** service from GM ends up killing more customer relationships than the original problems.

Get nasty if that's what it takes. Get a lawyer, make lots of phone calls to customer service and make it known that this situation is a deal breaker for all future purchases.

There is a dealership in Elmira, NY that will never see another dime from myself, my family or my business. Simply because of piss poor service. All GM's come from the same place and there are LOT's of places to buy them. If your dealership values your frequent business they CAN eat the cost of injectors even if corporate won't.

Just my .02.......

Sorry to hear about your truck bro, but whatever you do don't let likkerpig's wife see this (he's the one with the post about trying to convince the wife to let him have a DMAX)cuz he's already having a tough time convincing her to let him buy a DMAX. I don't think we need to load her gun with any ammo.

Rick,
just a little update, sense i got my truck back its running fine.
i filled up last Wednesday and just topped it back off today hand calculated 18 mpg and thats with a little extended idle time, city/highway mix.

Here's the link for everyone to review and draw their own conclusions

http://ago.missouri.gov/publications/auto.htm

Hey Rick,

I would fight those bastards to the bitter end. No way in hell I would let them put the same injectors back in it and only replace the ones they want!!

NFW!! Either all new injectors or a new truck!!

Keep us posted!!

Take care,

Will

PS.......... Sorry, didnt realise I posted the same post so close together!! Just pissed me off so much with what is going on here!!

Donnie 1, that's great!!
Does it run as good as before? They started mine today. Hopefully it will be done latter this week.

I Am Trying To Desided On A New Cummins Or A New Dmax. After Reading This And The 911 Forum I Am Really Confused. Any Regrets On Your Purchase

Every brand is gonna have problems. I still have very good luck with the Dmax and will buy many, many more.

Every brand is gonna have problems. I still have very good luck with the Dmax and will buy many, many more.

:exactly: That's what we like to hear.

Rick,hope you get it back soon. STONEHEADS,both good trucks,but the Dodge has what i feel is the better,more proven engine,and the Gm has the what i feel is the better trans.

Rick, in all the posts i've read here your the first to totally loose a motor. Now considering the amount of people that post here and that I run into on the street with Dmax's, one is pretty good. Injectors are what I hear most trouble with and that is now the same unwelcome prob with the new CR CTD's. Keep on buying them and good luck with the fix - the dealers can be such D***s after they have your money.

Donnie 1, that's great!!
Does it run as good as before? They started mine today. Hopefully it will be done latter this week.

cant tell any difference. old motor temp ran 200 to 210
this one runs 190 to 200

let us know how yours turns out.

Dealer called today and said it was done. I was in California so I had my brother go and get it. He didn't make it 3 miles and the check engine light came on and it started making funny noises. The dealer says now that some of the debris got in the turbo so they are going to try and find another one. I was lucky it failed before I left town, but I can't believe they reused it and 7 of the injectors. The lemon law clock is ticking.

Dealer called today and said it was done. I was in California so I had my brother go and get it. He didn't make it 3 miles and the check engine light came on and it started making funny noises. The dealer says now that some of the debris got in the turbo so they are going to try and find another one. I was lucky it failed before I left town, but I can't believe they reused it and 7 of the injectors. The lemon law clock is ticking.

Debris got in the turbo...gee imagine that, after looking at the hole where the piston used to be and the head...:mad:
Did they have the clownpuncher wash boy working on this truck or what?

I don't think the mechanic is at fault. He says his hands are tied. We talked about it before hand. GM themselves has to authorize every piece he puts on.

Rick you have to get a lawyer involved. I did two Lemon laws with two different mfs. After the first one it cost the dealer 60k in fees and a new truck for me with a free 5 year warranty. So it was not cheap for the dealer. Second one I did on my own. In Ca. if it gone in three times for the same problem it's a lemon. I took the vehicle in and the service guy must have thought I was wearing a skirt, because he said "could not duplicate problem". Knowing the law I smiled and said OK, repeated the scenario two more times, each time with me leaving saying, thank you.

I burned off a letter to the mfg, they wanted one more chance I said kiss it, give me a new vehicle cause the skirts comin off.

Two phone calls later they said order a new one.

I would not accept your truck back after those yahoo's had their hands on it. Obviously they are inept.

Any news????

As of today they are waiting for a new turbocharger. I think the LLY stuff is still scarce.

6-6-05
34 days down
Truck is finally done!! I have not and will not take it back without an extended warranty or something, maybe both. I have left messages all day for the case rep with no replies. I tried talking to another case rep and they said I would have to wait for the one that started the file. BULLSH*T!! I am getting close to letting them have it back. I was thinking an extended warranty and a customer loyaty check would make me feel better. What do you guys think?

DUMP IT................Run away really fast and don't look back at it......

JMHO............:cool:
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I am sold on the Dmax, and this one should be fine, I just think GM should take care of me on it.

Rick
Go for all you can get. Who is to say there may be a few more chunks laying around in the intake or turbo lines some where. Remember the member here while back that broke the tap off in the exaust manifold an it ended up in the engine, this could be an ongoing thing if they don't check all intake and exaust lines. Just my 2 pennies.
Geno

Okay, I pick it up tomorrow. I get an extended warranty, a rental agreement for next time, and a customer loyalty check. I hope I'm not making a mistake.

Good deal. I'm sure you'll be fine.

Man, sorry to hear about this happening to you.. Hope it all works out for you.. Seems like they are doing everything they can to get it taken care of for you and that is a good thing.. Good luck...

RDL,

Sounds good, so far! Let's just hope they didn't cut corners on any other pieces. What kind of extended warranty did they give you? JJ :)

The details will be finalized Friday and I will post them if they don't restrict me. The only other thing they used from the other motor was 7 of the injectors. I'm a little worried about that.

Hey Rick,

I would be a little worried too. How much warranty do you have left??

Take care, and keep us posted on what you can!!

Will

I got the truck back and made a trip to Tucson Friday. It ran flawlessly. :p: I am knocking on wood! I have put 2500 miles on it with nothing unusual. It averaged 16.5 mpg on the way back. My average speed was 7-10 over the speed limit. That put me at 85 mph for about 1/3rd the trip and about 75 for the rest.

Now the bad news. GM's offer was lame to say the least. -:t They offered me a 75,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. When I asked about an extension on the motors warranty, because that's what I was worried about, they said 100,000 is the most they can do. Then they offered me 1/2 of a truck payment. My truck was in the shop 36 days and I get 1/2 a truck payment. I laughed and called my lawyer. He suggested that since the truck was in there 36 days that they should give me the warranty and 2 truck payments. I told him I was ok with that and called GM. They said they would check and call me back. No word yet.