if so how is the performance compared the the hj , extreme or quad, any 1/4 mile times

I am currently running the VA "stoopid" box on my truck and I am very pleased with it. I have never run the others but compared I think from what I have read that the VA is a great box and you would not be unhappy with it. Just make sure you have your trans done of you will have issues.

A quad juice stack(or quad by itself) or a TTS Xtreme is a much harder running program.

Many modified Allison transmissions have a hard time dealing with the power on the 2-3 shift, and sometimes during kickdown.

Many modified Allison transmissions have a hard time dealing with the power on the 2-3 shift, and sometimes during kickdown.

"hard time dealing .... 2-3 shift" Slipping...????

no.....just crapy shifting in general

Slipping...

Slipping...

ATS transmission?

Slipping...
Huh?

IMO it isnt the trans fault the VA performs like crap and if it is its not because the big VA is overpowering the trans. Quad and TTS dont have a problem and I would put either one of those programs up against a VA for making more power.

Huh?

IMO it isnt the trans fault the VA performs like crap and if it is its not because the big VA is overpowering the trans. Quad and TTS dont have a problem and I would put either one of those programs up against a VA for making more power.
Think about it for a minute. Your tach swings to 3,000-ish stock on a WOT run. As power increases, it can go higher. The higher power levels of the Quad or TTS often run it up to 3500-ish on the shift. So does the VA. The difference is that the programmers have altered the RPM tables stretched to allow the RPM's to go there and the modules do not so they run on the RPM limit.

Allison shift speeds are based on transmission output shaft speed which is directly related to engine rpm vs. transmission gear ratio. If it shifts at 3,000 RPM stock but you don't hit the output shaft speed till 3500 RPM with a power box what is happening???

Great, just what we need. Thread hijacking and now sh!t talking about who is right and who is wrong. Grow up kids and just answer the guys question.. Simple as that..

JMO but the VA dosnt fuel past 3200 as you have said. Truck aint used to the power and in its learning phase instead of bliping over the shift point and the program still dumping fuel and the trans saying whoa! gotta tighten it up next time and being able to learn itself out it goes whacking off the limiter and dropping and hitting again and the trans dont know what to do and cant seem to figure stuff out. Edit: its not really the trans fault. Not really a fault of the VA but it is an issue that you have to be concerned with if you run one. It wont fuel past stock. This means your trap speeds are limited and when pulling you are stuck not being able to swing your motor(unless you add something else) I guess its fueling issue is more of the type of box it is and maybe not bad programing.

A quad or an Xtreme will make more power and lay down better times. Why try to deal with a VA?

Oh....I ran a 14.3 with the big VA and a 13.9 with the hot juice. Duno what the big VA coulda ran if it woulda ever shifted 1/2 way deccent. I made a bunch of runs on the street and then switched to a different TCM and tried to train it on that and couldnt get it to shift clean. It definatly didnt like my SC stage 3.

Who is hijacking? This one seems to be on topic pretty well IMO Just disscusing the quad VA and Xtreme...........

The VA carries the last table (3250 I believe) out wherever the engine goes creating the conflict if the engine has no desire to be there. I suppose VA could clip the fueling past 3250, but that's their decision.

I ran a truck pull where the transmission shifted into 4th fine, but refused to shift on the second hook when the load of the boat was increased. 3500+ RPM TCC locked in low range, no shift babbling on the RPM limit all the way, but the OSS apparently would not come up high enough to call for a shift...

The last time I ran the VA in direct comparison with the Quad 215, the VA was faster. It shifted just fine on my SC 4 at the time too. VA did 13.5@1014 compared to 13.6@100.4. Not a huge difference but it was faster nonethless.

The VA will definitely put down a faster time than above as I have my truck dialed in much better for any tune that I now run.

The VA does have shifting issues on some trucks. The ATS with the Co-Pilot seems to help quite a bit. My Suncoast seems to do fine with it. The box does tow very well and it has select on the fly power levels.

Phil, when you tested the VA box on your truck it was for a pretty limited time. Going from just a Juice to a full race tune of any sort would cause all kinds of shift problems. The VA has some things that could be improved but could your impression of it be skewed somewhat? Do you think the health of your SC3 at the time could have been contributing to the problem?

I would like to think we could be a bit more objective than just saying the box sucks......

Why arnt you running the big VA then? The juice stacked on top make it that much stronger?

I took it outa and made quite a few WOT passes on the street as well as a few passes on the track. Swapped TCMs and tore up the back roads again. Came back, made a pass and when back to the juice. IMO it shoulda been trained if it was going to get trained. I duno why it didnt seem to like to work when I was running the different tcm, I thought it was the same as what you run?

Trans was jacked but it didnt start acting up till it had another 6 thousand or so on it. I ran the Xtreme on it and it felt stronger SOP than the VA but we know how SOP meters are. Maybe it was becasue I didnt have liftpumps but do now? Fuel filter was changed before I drove to the track though.

I'd be willing to try a big VA again(and even a quad juice stack) on my truck for some more comparison.

Didnt the HJ get dynoed against the big VA at a Johns last sept?

I am having the above issues with mine and I am running full ATS w/ copilot. JK I have tried to bend your ear a few times on it for info and you have always been short with me telling me it is not the box. If not the box then what do I have to do to get it to work properly? I want to make this work because I know it is a good product.

Have you tried stacking it with another programer to raise the rev limiter?

Have you tried stacking it with another programer to raise the rev limiter?
NO!

I do run the VA box at times, like I said it tows well and runs pretty good EGT's doing so. I do run the Quad / HJ stack for max performance though as that is the combo I have the most track and dyno time with.

The TCM you ran is the same as I do.

The Hot Juice with injectors made a pretty good number on the Superflow that day, better than the peak number the 200+ tune did. When we kicked the VA down to the 150 tune they made almost identical curves. We figured that the 200+ was overfueling with the injectors.

On nitrous the 200+ tune made a bigger number than the Quad/HJ stack so I don't think that is a bad assessment.

I am saying that the VA box has its pros and its cons, I try to present both sides for every tune I try. Being a good myrmidon and objectivity don't go hand in hand I guess.....

I am having the above issues with mine and I am running full ATS w/ copilot. JK I have tried to bend your ear a few times on it for info and you have always been short with me telling me it is not the box. If not the box then what do I have to do to get it to work properly? I want to make this work because I know it is a good product.
I guess that blows the old "it works fine with an ATS tranny" statement. I wonder what the tranny limitation will be next, BD? DTT?

On a side note, here soon I'll be testing one of these boxes on the road. I only drive 800-1000 miles a week. I've run this box before and it shifted like poop as many have said. I did run it after just pulling the juice off though so maybe what Brandon said is true (very possable). I'll get it, run it for a couple thousand miles and see how it goes.

I think it is a program with alot of potential. I just want to tap the potential. It runs fantastic in daily driving, no complaints. Trying to get it to perform from a stop to top situation and I have huge issues. I am open to suggestion and am working on it as I speak, I have used this program for 8 months.

Damn brandon, you made me bust out the dictionary;) So who be "Achilles" then?

I'm not saying its bad either. Just trying to give my oppinion that its shifting can be finicky and there are other things that make more power. You say you actually ran quicker. I guess I better try to get my mits on it again and try it out. On my stock injectored truck I was unimpressed. Maybe I need to try it out again

I am having the above issues with mine and I am running full ATS w/ copilot. JK I have tried to bend your ear a few times on it for info and you have always been short with me telling me it is not the box. If not the box then what do I have to do to get it to work properly? I want to make this work because I know it is a good product.
Los Lobos, I have a hard time putting handles with names, and a database search on Wilsonville does not show me anything.

Last I talked to Clint, he had dialed in some minor changes to the ATS transmission that had major impact on how it worked. My ATS trans always worked with the VA. My Suncoast seldom works with it. Brandon's Suncoast seems to work fine. Jim659 says his Suncoast works fine too. Suffice to say, regardless of brand, there are some that work and some that do not.

I do recall Clint mentioning specifically that the new upgrades were helping those hitting the RPM limiter on downshifts etc.

if so how is the performance compared the the hj , extreme or quad, any 1/4 mile times
I would probably have to recommend against buying it. How's that?

I tow with it all the time. Dmaxallitech tows with his too. It works awesome, BUT some transmissions cannot get the shifting done quickly enough to stay off the limiter. The Edge Hot Juice on my truck with the Suncoast has the same problem only it pauses and lays down since the Juice does not fuel hard up top. Remember the pauses at upshifts with a stock transmission? Same thing...

The last time I ran the VA in direct comparison with the Quad 215, the VA was faster.
MY VA 200+ seems to perform better than the Quad 215 also, but I'm still running the older version of the Quad. Shifts have never been an issue, but turbo bark is more of an issue with the VA then it ever was with the Quad.

If only I had the funds to do direct comparisons with the Extreme and the PPE first hand.