Hmmm, truck is starting to look a lot less like GM intended.
Gonna be a fun week!:ro)

Time to :grd:

313 is now here, Picking the packages up on Saturday!:ro)

:nopics:

Somebody had to do it

Hmmm, truck is starting to look a lot less like GM intended.
Gonna be a fun week!:ro)

Time to :grd:

313 is now here, Picking the packages up on Saturday!:ro)
Great, now we have canadian talking in code here at the place http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

It's the new, new, NEW, I mean rilly new, Secret Squirrel license plate holder bracket thingy whatchacallit.

Gonna be good for at least 30 HP http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

(or 50 on a metric north-of-the-border dyno)

he needs to pull his butt outta the snow and let us know whats goin on.:lol:

I went over to the NW Bombers site and it's even worse than what He's doing here!!!
Someone must be able to de-code his ryhmes.
O my!

Have fun with all the gauges needed now.......probably look like a cock-pit now ):h Do you have room for landing gear switches :eek:

Install is pretty easy, if i'm reading the 313 right.......thats a big 10-4 buddy ):h

Ok.
You guys):h

313=CAC

The Banks Technicooler has arrived!:ro)

Time to get to work.

Pick up is Saturday AM! I have to work all day, but the pursuit will continue on Monday!

Now i have to get all my test gear in place. Thermistors, Boost Gauges, Temp Displays, Weather Station.

Thermistors:
Intake Temp
Compound Compressor Discharge Temp
Pre CAC Inlet Temp
Post CAC Inlet Temp

Boost Gauges.
Both Turbos (done already)
Pre CAC
Post CAC

Weather station for RH% , Amb Air Temp, Elevation.

The work begins on Monday.
I'll get some pictures up Saturday night!:D

Thanks To Peter Treydte for providing a test sample.
I'll let you guys know how it works out.

BANKS has requested that the data be forwarded to them first for analysis.

But I hope to provide a summary to the membership after the fact finding is done.

Peter and BANKS were kind enough to collaborate with this endeavor, so I would like to thank them in advance for helping all of us with our quest for more power!:ro)

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Must be code.......call the sheriff's office and ask what a 313 is......

Must be code.......call the sheriff's office and ask what a 313 is......
It's and EMINEM thing):h

So how many gauges do you have in your truck?

too many.
especially if you include the Attitude and the other pyrometer!

I for see a sheet metal dash in somebody's future. Juice's cab will transform into a cockpit of a 747. ):h

Keep it up the work Juice, I am just afraid if you get enough fuel to those puppies you will go into orbit.:bow:

I for see a sheet metal dash in somebody's future. Juice's cab will transform into a cockpit of a 747. ):h

Keep it up the work Juice, I am just afraid if you get enough fuel to those puppies you will go into orbit.:bow:
IFR Certification is next!):h

Actually i am waiting on a couple pods to house all the ancilliary gauges.

Do you know it takes 90' of boost tubing to check all this stuff out?
never mind all the fittings:eek:

Thermistors are even funner. about the size of a small diode.
More wires!

hmm this might take a little more than a weekend.

As with all testing, the payoff is in the results.

Honesly, instead of thermistors i was going to poke holes in the silicone boots using multiple meat thermometers, But Peter wanted more accurate data than that.
Plus he mentioned excessive holes might cause a boost leak and incur a slight pressure drop penalty!:lol:

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Pretty soon Juice's truck is gonna be be like KIT...you know...nightrider. Complete with the cool red lights. Rumor has it Juice's truck is gonna drive it self to Munice this year...hook a few times...drag a few times... talk some smack....then head back north.):h

Pretty soon Juice's truck is gonna be be like KIT...you know...nightrider. Complete with the cool red lights. Rumor has it Juice's truck is gonna drive it self to Munice this year...hook a few times...drag a few times... talk some smack....then head back north.):h

Muncie would be cool indeed

Who knows, if the time and money works out i might have to make a 39 hour scenic route sunday monday tuesday wednesday drive!:eek:


Would be cool to go to Diesel Mecca

There ain't no way Juice is going to Diesel Mecca. He'd have to have armed bodyguards to keep people from prying his hood open and taking pics of Secret Squirrel Turbos.

I can just envision the mob scene where the people come out at night with the torches, tie his ass down, and take pics of his stuff.

I can just envision the mob scene where the people come out at night with the torches, tie his ass down, and take his stuff.
Notice the edited version, because I WILL be there.


BTW it's in Indy this year, no more Muncie.

Here it is..... Big Boxes, well packaged, And a very nice detailed instruction manual.
Even the mechanically inept should be able to handle this one..... Therefore i am asking for the help of Mackin, Burner,SP33D, Nick):h :lol:

Here are the pics!


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And Yes it is big!

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Thanks for being the guinea pig Juice. :grd:

Original thread and full size pics are here at home


http://www.nwbombers.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=14178&hl=

Guice and his new sig.......................


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Juice, I hate to be 'stoopid' here, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut....

What are you hoping to gain from this thing? Better flow? More cooling? Whuh?

I guess being simpleminded, it's not twice the size, so I can't see getting 2X the flow or half the charge air temp. Seems to be a 20% ish improvement kind of thing.

But what the heck do I know.....gimme a li'l help here, Mr. Fizzicks.....

From what i've seen on a stock turbo'd truck, it dropped boost pressure 2-3 lbs, and made a definate air flow change due to the new sound under the hood. If anything, this bigger intercooler should be more benificial to the guys running a bigger charger(s) than a stocker, but nonetheless, should still help a stocker as well.
Lowering boost pressure isn't a bad thing at all, when your up 50+ range, you're still getting your volume, just lower pressure and should be a cooler charge to boot. Probably for the $$$$$ vs. hp gain, there won't be alot of guys doing this mod.
I'm sure our resident test whore:eek: will fill us in on what improvments it gave him):h I just want to see the inside of the cab when all the gauges are installed :p:

HBC, yeah, I hear ya, but at some point there has to be a diminishing return kind of thing with getting more flow vs. getting it cooler, right? You could make an intercooler flow better just by making the tubes a lot bigger, but then you lose the surface area and therefore its cooling ability.

Guess some injun-eer would have to look at it and balance the two competing effects, eh?

Guess some injun-eer would have to look at it and balance the two competing effects, eh?
Thats above my head :duh: , i'm no injun-eer jeek

The stock inter cooler is of great size and my opinion is on a stock turbo truck, it does just fine...........and to spend the $$$$$$ and maybe see minimal gains, well thats up to how light you want your wallet to get.
Bigger charger(s), well thats where i think you'll see the gains, how much is still undetermined and again, are they gonna be enough to warrant the $$$$$$, i guess it boils down to how serious you are to be competitive :(

Pressure Drop.

If we assume we have a 5 PSIG pressure drop across the core at 35 PSIG boost and make 400 HP, in theory we could make the same 400 HP on 30 PSIG of boost if we had a 0 PSI pressure drop acroos the core (assuming the same temp rejection as well)

As well, once we eliminate a restriction to flow, in the case of a turbo engine, we will also net a thermal gain as we decrease the 'load' on the compressor pushing the air charge into what was once a restriction. That will also gain us power, by lowering the drive pressure through the core, and since what happens on one side of the turbo effects the other, it will have an effect on lowering drive pressure.

Also, heat rejection capabilities come into play here. Increased surface area will certainly help.

I hope to provide some hard data out of all of this..... it is not a cheap date to set this stuff up...... and i plan a back to back tow test in the next few weeks as an 'acid test' of the system.

My current plans are for Daily driving/rodding tests at stock fuelling/full fuelling...... then more towing tests. We have a pretty high mountain pass with 9-10% grades that begs for this kind of test.

Granted, with Twins operating well within their efficiency maps, (and heating the air less than a stock turbo) the results will be slightly skewed, but running stock fuelling will negate that advantage from the standpoint of needing fuel to spool the other turbine.

The whole reason for this test is to see if there is any gain to be had... from the stock guys to the Extreme guys. Towing at altitude will be the final word on it's performance, as heat soak does tend to delineate the cooling performance of any engine.

While BANKS did not ask me to sign a NDA, Peter did ask that the data go to them first (are they working on something else???? YES)

So here we sit.

I am waiting for one more Temp monitor to come in before i can start testing in earnest. When i get my dash (cockpit) finished I will post pictures.

BOMBs AWAAAAAY!:ro)

There should be no penalty for reducing boost air temp or flow restriction. It's "free" HP.

McRat, I agree...

I was just wondering out loud. On the extreme end of things, you could use a 'monotube' CAC with one giant tube, which would have zero pressure drop. But it would suck at cooling.

I'm just thinking there's got to be a tradeoff here somewhere. Juice, is the Banks unit physically larger? In what dimensions is it larger? Thicker, what?

If it's the same physical size, I'd be very curious to know what about its construction allows it to flow more and cool the same (or better) if your results are positive.

McRat, I agree...

I was just wondering out loud. On the extreme end of things, you could use a 'monotube' CAC with one giant tube, which would have zero pressure drop. But it would suck at cooling.

I'm just thinking there's got to be a tradeoff here somewhere. Juice, is the Banks unit physically larger? In what dimensions is it larger? Thicker, what?

If it's the same physical size, I'd be very curious to know what about its construction allows it to flow more and cool the same (or better) if your results are positive. That's why he's doing the testing, bum wipe..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

McRat, I agree...

I was just wondering out loud. On the extreme end of things, you could use a 'monotube' CAC with one giant tube, which would have zero pressure drop. But it would suck at cooling.

I'm just thinking there's got to be a tradeoff here somewhere. Juice, is the Banks unit physically larger? In what dimensions is it larger? Thicker, what?

If it's the same physical size, I'd be very curious to know what about its construction allows it to flow more and cool the same (or better) if your results are positive.
I'll measure the stock one tomorrow.
:grd:

I'll measure the stock one tomorrow.
:grd:

I can tell you it's heavy!

It doesn't look like a significant restriction, it looks very well thought-out.

That's why he's doing the testing, bum wipe..http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif
Shut up, fartknocker! I'll kick your a$$!

See, me being a geeky injunair, I'd be wanting Banks to 'splain to me why the thing works better in the first place.....a little something to go on, y'know?

I'm not the "here, stick this in and try it" kinda guy....unless it's like $9.99 ):h

Juice's standards are probably even less :D

Paddy, Juice is so smart, he's stupid. You just wish you were that stupid. ):h

Paddy, Juice is so smart, he's stupid. You just wish you were that stupid. ):h Uhhhhh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh:D

Me kin reed tu
nd ey lyk tu git al d infermashun frum hear.
iz my spelin ook?

):h

Nice Sig Burner. Inspired by a recent SMackin no doubt:lol:

.....no, a tackin. :eek: Billy's away's attack'n...but this time he broke the fence. Had to coral him back in. ):h

Uhhhhh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh:D

Me kin reed tu
nd ey lyk tu git al d infermashun frum hear.
iz my spelin ook?

Geez, if I didn't look twice, with that kind of grammar, I would have assumed it was a Mackin post....

:help2:

Well, on second thought, there aren't any comma splices or run-ons....maybe not...

:eek: ):h

Hey Juice,
Any preliminary observations on the intercooler. I know Banks wants the technical stuff first, so maybe you could give us you're Seat 'o the Pants data.
Steven

Hey Juice,
Any preliminary observations on the intercooler. I know Banks wants the technical stuff first, so maybe you could give us you're Seat 'o the Pants data.
Steven
Greetings Steven.
I have 1/2 the gear hooked to the stocker for now.
STILL waiting for another temp logger to come in.
All of my thermistors are potted in boost fittings with JB Weld and installed in the piping. Boost fittings are installed as well.

So.... the wait continues for now. When it is all installed, First order of business will be using the stock cooler as a baseline, then the Banks unit.

I definately want all my sensors installed so that i can do a same day same way test. Otherwise the results will be skewed and useless.

I will send BANKS a bill when i am finished testing:eek: :joke:

But I will provide an objective review of my findings to the membership when the tests are done.