Got my second Blackstone Las report back today. Not good compared to the last one.

They state "Here's the thing about extended oil changes. The oil itself may "hold up" well, meaning it still has a
good viscosity and a strong TBN, all the things the oil companies advertise. But while the oil is cleaning and
cooling your engine, it naturally picks up a lot of metal, and that metal makes the oil abrasive, and that in
turn takes even *more* wear off your engine's parts. You're running your oil less than twice average, but
you're getting a lot more than twice average metals (in some cases). We suggest trying 5000 miles next
time, to clean up the block. Caution: iron & copper."


Always used Amsoil 5W40 in it since day one. Oil changed every 9500-10.5k. Never added any oil since it never really burned off any.
What the heck could be causing the double the amount of metals??? Can the Amsoil Engine Flush be used on the next oil change? I don't really mind doing an oil change sooner with the Amsoil since I am quite well over stocked with cases of 5W40 gallons and a few cases of filters from when I bought out an Amsoil dealer. 30500 miles on the truck to date all within 10 months of owning the truck.

Looks like you got an aftermarket CIA too as its common to see higher Silicon levels. Mine did too ans I asked why that would be....guy asked me if I ever heard any CIA companies bragging about how well they filter out dirt. Had me there ;)

Looks like you got an aftermarket CIA too as its common to see higher Silicon levels. Mine did too ans I asked why that would be....guy asked me if I ever heard any CIA companies bragging about how well they filter out dirt. Had me there ;)

Cold Air Intake you mean? If so NO. Stock box here using a Donaldson filter in the air box. No emissions components on the truck.

Fumoto valve?

Fumoto valve?

Nopers.

Fumoto valve?

What's that have to do with the problem?

And why don't we all have a link to our garage's automatically below out avatars???

What's that have to do with the problem?

And why don't we all have a link to our garage's automatically below out avatars???I will look into that question. But I dont think the new software will allow it. Something about a possible security weak spot? Cant remember.

The engine flush can be run, but I would use something a little less harsh. I use Sea Foam in mine every oil change and it works great thus far. I havent tested my oil lately which I should since I know how hard I push it. I use everything Amsoil in my trucks all the way down to my lawn mower, but I would never use their flush. From what I recall it is pretty tough stuff and if you dont get it all out you could be in a worse spot than you were before. I could be wrong, but I have heard some not so good reviews about their flush. Anything else Amsoil and I am sold, heck I got their brake fluid.

On another note, might want to try changing the filter earlier and not the oil. The filter is whats supposed to catch the dirt and metal particles. The oil just suspends and deposits particles in the filter. Honestly the Eao filter from Amsoil should be giving you better results than that! If you are not running the Amsoil Eao oil filter that could be part of the problem also.

I will look into that question. But I dont think the new software will allow it. Something about a possible security weak spot? Cant remember.

The engine flush can be run, but I would use something a little less harsh. I use Sea Foam in mine every oil change and it works great thus far. I havent tested my oil lately which I should since I know how hard I push it. I use everything Amsoil in my trucks all the way down to my lawn mower, but I would never use their flush. From what I recall it is pretty tough stuff and if you dont get it all out you could be in a worse spot than you were before. I could be wrong, but I have heard some not so good reviews about their flush. Anything else Amsoil and I am sold, heck I got their brake fluid.

On another note, might want to try changing the filter earlier and not the oil. The filter is whats supposed to catch the dirt and metal particles. The oil just suspends and deposits particles in the filter. Honestly the Eao filter from Amsoil should be giving you better results than that! If you are not running the Amsoil Eao oil filter that could be part of the problem also.


I do use the EAO oil filter. I was curious about the Amsoil engine flush. It is harsh but I was not aware you can use it in the diesels. It totally has me clueless as to why this time around the metal content is worse. I did not do anything else to the truck performance wise since then. Same all highway driving habits etc.

Amsoil and more than 2x the average wear, what has the world come to? what the heck are we supposed to do? use amsoil and change it every 3k?

What's that have to do with the problem?

And why don't we all have a link to our garage's automatically below out avatars???

I believe some people who have the fumoto valve have reported higher metal content, also if sampling from the valve it could have been dirty.

Do a search on copper leaching from the oil cooler when components are newer. I had elevated copper levels in the 15-20k range on 5K intervals with Rotella 15W-40. I did two 3K changes per Blackstone's instructions and all reports since have been excellent with lower than universal averages on Fe, Cu, Mn, etc

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this analysis. I have a 2002 LB7 and the lowest my copper has been was 33. Your TBN is good. Your visc @100c is excellent. I have the Amsoil Dual Remote on my truck. I complete oil analysis once a year and haven't had my drain plug removed in 55,000 miles. High levels of copper is most likely from our engine oil coolers. I will try to attach an article from Catapillar.



CATERPILLAR-HIGH COPPER





Per Caterpillar, high levels of copper found in oil analysis are a result of engine cooler core “leaching”. The zinc additive in diesel motor oils reacts with the copper cooler core tubes at high oil temperatures. This chemical reaction results in copper oxidation products forming on the surface of the tubes and then coming off into the oil as it washes over and around the tubes. Heat is a catalyst to this chemical reaction- the higher the oil temperature the greater the rate of oxidation and the longer the reaction process is sustained. This does not cause any damage to the cooler core, or to the engine. However, you will see the copper reading elevate to over 100 PPM. Copper is not a particulate in this case but is in solution in the oil. The PPM will start relatively low and increase over 100 PPM and stay at high levels for several intervals, and then return to normal. During the oxidation process, a hard film forms on the tube surfaces exhibiting the appearance of clear varnish. Changes in operating temperatures, and /or changing oil brands can chemically disrupt this film and begin the oxidative leaching processes again. This can occur in any system with a cooler core: Diesel or gasoline engines, Transmissions or Hydraulic systems.




SOURCE: Stavely Fluid Analysis, courtesy of Caterpillar Inc.

You show 10K as mileage so there are many things that can be the cause. Read my experience in the thread below to see how my sampling caused high CA. I also posted the UOA for my truck on that thread.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301461

In troubleshooting this problem go slow and change one thing at a time. Then sample and make another change.

Be sure of your sampling using either the drain or the dipstick method is not your problem first.

What's that have to do with the problem?

And why don't we all have a link to our garage's automatically below out avatars???

Do you see the word "active" right under your avatar, where it says Garage: active ? Try clicking that link - it's a link to your garage...

Or don't you see that???

Viola! Thanks - If that has been there - sure didn't see it......... A few less clicks now when someone says "see my garage"......

Been there for at least 1 1/2 years...

Wait are you using the bypass system? Wouldnt that get most of the small metal perticles and stuff out of the oil? I'm going to do my first analysis at 10,000 soon.

I had a UOA done on my LBZ by Blackstone using Amsoil AME. Truck had 32,000 mi on it at the time and 9,000 mi on the oill . Iorn was 19, copper was 3.
Your report has me concerned. So I'm gonna do another UOA. I'm interested now that my truck has 75,000 and oil (AME) will have 12,000 on it

I did use Rotella T 15w-40 dino in mine for the first 22,000 mi for break in purposes . I wonder if that helped, on the #'s

IIRC I hit 50K before my copper dropped my iron was high too.

Logic - did you have any more reports run recently? everything come out ok and that one was just a fluke or..?

Did a flush with amsoil engine flush and filter after changing the oil after 1000 miles then refilled with fresh amsoil deo and filter. Keeping fingers crossed. Oil analysis at 5k coming soon

Just got my report - very similar miles and trucks - except mine is running Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313874

;)

Did a flush with amsoil engine flush and filter after changing the oil after 1000 miles then refilled with fresh amsoil deo and filter. Keeping fingers crossed. Oil analysis at 5k coming soon

engine flush?? would would few hundred miles on cheap dino do it?

Kinda sorta. The engine flush additive is like kero

As of 9/23/2009 here is oil analysis report #3. Even worse than before.


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=98573&d=1253734328