Have any of you used this type of treatment? I see the gas station that I usually fuel at carries a good supply of this kind. So I figured if this stuff is any good I might as well use this stuff since it is easy for me to find.

I think it probably works fine for lubrication etc. I didn't like how it handled water in the fuel. I had rust at the bottom of my filters and have since switched to Primrose. Do a search for fuel additives on here lots of info available.

I use "Howes" every other fuel-up (usualy @ 1/2 tank), I have used it for over twenty years. I used it on my "Big-Rigs".

I open the fuel filter each time I change it, Zero rust with the DMAX. "I have heard" that some filters have rust in them "Before" you put them on (New).

Idahofox

Of all the Diesel additive distributers contacted Howe's was the only one that wouldn't reply. Even after several attempts. If you are a common user they figure you aren't worth a reply. I'm still unaware how they handle water or any other tasks for that matter ???????? NO HOWES FOR THIS ONE.

I use Stanadyne Performance formula as recommended by GM in every other fillup. Seems to work for me........SWH...

Have any of you used this type of treatment? I see the gas station that I usually fuel at carries a good supply of this kind. So I figured if this stuff is any good I might as well use this stuff since it is easy for me to find.
The worst fuel filter I ever cut open was running Howe's in it. Lots of rust. Not saying the additive caused it or the filter wasn't already pre-rusted, but a good additive will prevent this or at least prevent the spread.

FPPF Total Power for me...

The only time I ever had a gel problem I was running a lot of Howes. Twice the recommeded concentration.

I'm with John, I also saw a lot of free water and rust in the bottom of filters while I was running Howes.

Never again........nuf said.

When I change my "Oil Filter" and find that it is Full of debris and the "Darn" thing whould not allow the debris to circulate with the oil, uh oh, look, I have a bad filter, it's full of debris. It does its job and now its Bad?


When I change my "Fuel Filter" and find water in it do I take responsibility, Noooo... I assign blame to the guy I hired to periodically drain water from the filter; using that "Thingy" on the bottom. (If they would just put a "Flush Handle" on the "Thingy", then hook it to one of our "Computers", hmmm.....).

Fuel additives can only modify our "Bad Acts", not cure them; purchasing contaminated fuel, installing "Pre Rusted" filters, running summer fuel in the winter. Did I do that?

Howes doing its job, and now it's "Bad", Really !

Idahofox

My apologies.......I will rephrase.......

Howes is the one additive I have used that cannot cope with my numerous idiotic acts of automotive abuse......

or maybe the fumes from the Howes makes me sooo stupid that I buy fuel from small low turnover stations at random that don't treat or run the correct grade of fuel for the season.

I mean that could be it right? It's not that far fetched to think that all the filters I bought from numerous sources for the entire 18 month period that i used Howes were already rusted when i installed them........right?

Or that the one specifc thing that Howes claims to be able to do.....lower gel point.....is the one MAJOR problem i had while running howes........cause obviously I did domething wrong, I mean I must have driven the truck when the air was too cold....obviously...

It's also an amazing coincidence that I got soo much smarter the day I started using other treatments.....I mean they don't work any better than Howes, so I must have just gotten smarter and stopped committing "Bad Acts"

I feel so much better now that we have had this conversation Idahofox.....at least I'm not as Dumb as I were.....I look forward to all your inspiring and insightful posts in the future.

403turbo

I have used Howes for Over twenty years, some of my fuel filters have contained "Rust" and "Water" also some things I did not recognize, (not in the DMAX), good on you Mr Fuel Filter, thank you Howes.

One of the many privileges we enjoy in the U S of A is to purchase fuel where ever we choose. I am encouraged that you are "not as Dumb" in only 18 months, some take much longer.

Do you believe that the Fuel Filters you mentioned were "Pre-Rusted" or maybe, Howes was protecting your investment (or your employers investment).

I am pleased you enjoy my post.

Idahofox

ifishforwalleyes

You did not ask for this kind of response. I sincerely hope you find some thing of value in all the Bull.

Idahofox

Idaho,

That was my first dual filter change (stock and CAT) I understand about the stock filters ocasionally having rust but have not heard about it occuring in the CAt filters. I had seen other posts with sinilar results to mine. Both filters had rust in the bottom. The cat had a large rust "scab". I thought howes was a demulsifyer and was dropping the water out in the filters. I wanted to try an emulsifyer such as Primrose. Others said they didn't get the rust with Primrose. I have never found any noticeable amount of water in either filter. I have yet to change them running Primrose so time will tell.

The worst fuel filter I ever cut open was running Howe's in it. Lots of rust. Not saying the additive caused it or the filter wasn't already pre-rusted, but a good additive will prevent this or at least prevent the spread.

FPPF Total Power for me...
unfortunately, the filter to which I am sure John is referring came off my truck Censored ..... take a look at:

http://community.webshots.com/album/78464371PcGaFz

I'd run Howe's added to every tank prior to seeing the inside of that filter and not a drop since ... still have 2 gallons sitting on a shelf in the garage ... have used FPPF for the 60,000+ miles since and have not had any further rust problems :ro)

Jim

I ran out of FPPF....I bought some Howes to 'try' it since I could not find anything else. Towards the end of the bottle, I notice the consistency in the bottle changed. It semi-jelled....not allot...but it changed. It went into the trash. No Howes for me since.

I hear what each of you are saying. I am veiwing the "Why" differently.

Lets say that in a 18 month period we purchase fuel at our normal vendors. The first 6 months Howes is the additive of choice and each filter used in that period, when examined after changing had "Water" and "Rust" and "Whatever" in it.

Now for the next 12 monthes we purchase fuel at the same vendors But use a different additive, which ever, then when changed and inspected there is No "Water" and No "Rust".

OK, the rust is a result because of the water, but where is the water? The water has past through the fuel system of our beloved diesels so fast their was not time for rust to form. Water is one of the most abrasive elements in nature and I prefere that it be captured in the filter and removed from the system by draining/changing the filter.

'Bout a nickels worth there.

FYI, do a Google search on hydraulic mining. Mountains are moved (removed) with water.

Idahofox

Looks like someone bought a lot of water and dirt. It is on the dirty side of the filter right where it is suppose to be. That is not a dirty filter. This ia a dirty filter. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/fnsblum2004/album?.dir=/ae1b Later! Frank