: Boost question
I have been told that in my diesel pickup I have to have a boost gauge. I really dont understand the importance of one unless you just want to say "I have 40 pounds of boost." Or you have that many mods that you need to make sure that you arent overboosting. I was just wondering if someone could help me understand why boost gauges are so important.
Maxium4x4 04-26-2005, 06:57 PM It gives you another tool to see how your engine is performing. Stock you will not really worry about over boosting but rather where your truck performs well. In modified conditions 40lbs of boost is a higher level. I currently am doing c-rings for the head to run between 60 and 100 lbs of boost on my 6.0 Powerstroke.
What mods are you going to be giving your 6.0 to get that much boost, I have never heard of the much boost in any vehicle.
Maxium4x4 04-27-2005, 07:50 AM International did a great on developing the heads for the 6.0L. I currently have a set I am working on. CNC the rings and they are ready to go.
Since the launch of the 6.0 was just in 03 many parts are becoming available in such a record short time. 100lbs of boost is current and available right now.
I'm sorry but i still dont see how just machining the heads is going to produce 100lbs boost. What kind of turbo are you going to use? How are you going to get that much fuel to power 100lbs boost. I have only heard of a cummins getting 90lbs boost, and that is with one exhaust manifold. What kind of pistons are you going to use to keep the whole thing from melting?
ToddPSD 04-27-2005, 11:06 PM International did a great on developing the heads for the 6.0L. I currently have a set I am working on. CNC the rings and they are ready to go.
Since the launch of the 6.0 was just in 03 many parts are becoming available in such a record short time. 100lbs of boost is current and available right now.
I recognize you from FTE. Who's doin your work?
Maxium4x4 04-28-2005, 07:35 AM Todd I am working on my own stuff and I have one of PSD's (Matts) heads here too. Friend of mine has a machine shop for anything I need I do not have here. Been calling and researching all winter with many hours on the phone and suprising all that is in developement and coming to market.
Still trying to find another 6.0L from a roll over or crashed truck, if not I will order one from ford and use it. We have an engine Dyno, so with the electronics from a crashed truck it could be wired and run.
Maxium4x4 04-28-2005, 07:44 AM Jgt....I have spent much time researching and do not give out advice in an internet forum. It is well known how to run high boost. You actually lower the compression and companies like Swain Tech have coatings for any internal surface of an engine you want.
Maxium4x4 04-28-2005, 07:55 AM Todd I think I asked you once before....how are you stacked? Edge for power with SCT just for shifting? Can't really explain here but SCT has stoped all email downloads of files. I just sent mine out for a new tune and I asked about the stack....the Extreme he is setting up for me far exceeds the Edge stack....so we will see.
How much horsepower are you gonna be makin with 100 psi of boost? What kind of torque are you plannin on makin? 100 psi is outragous, espically with a 6.0 powerstorke. You dont give out advice on the internet because you have none. If you truley knew anything about diesel engines, you'd know that tryin to make 100 psi out of a 6.0 powerjoke is a waste of time. If you wanna build up a diesel engine, use a cummins.
Maxium4x4 05-01-2005, 01:21 AM Yeah your right JGT....nothing, nano..:muahaha:
Are you not going to give me numbers of your horsepower or torque? I dont want advice, I just want to know how you are going to go about makin this kind of power with a 6.0.
Maxium4x4 05-01-2005, 02:03 AM Well I guess you do not understand. Some of parts are starting to become available.... the open public does not have a chance or knowlege to buy these items. For one you have to have a demand. If I sent you everything you need what are going to do with it? You can balance a rotating assembly?
After-market parts are around the corner. In a daily driver you would have no use for extreme fueling and boosts. Cummins makes a bunch of HP, I should know...Enterprize Engines and Riverside Engines are close to me.
For the average person a good programmer from SCT and water injection from Snow will be fine with a cat back exhaust.
60 LBS is available right under your hood with the VGT. 100 is real with another source.
100 psi in your 6.0, how long do you expect that engine to last?
Diesel_Day_Dreamin 05-01-2005, 02:17 AM You must have one h*ll of an intercooler. If holding that kind of PSI is not a problem, cooling the super heated air must be.
Texas Diesel Guy 05-01-2005, 02:56 PM ....turbo diesel engine + 100psi boost = turbo grenade.
Your turbo will already be @ 100k+ RPM to make stock boost, your going to need 10 times that to get 100psi, 1 million RPM? Do whatever you want to the engine, 100 psi is impossible from turbo charging. besides, do you know what backpressure you would have with 100 psi boost? Probably like 250, and EGTs over 2000F. You can't even make one push enough fuel in the chamber to approach needing that much air, so you can't make enough exhaust to spin the turbo that fast.
I've seen big diesel rigs made for dragstrips that can make 60-80psi, for about 10 seconds, and their engines only last a matter of hours.
Maxium4x4 05-01-2005, 07:33 PM No where did I state I was using 100lbs....I think you guys run with an idea an assume something. My daily driver uses 45lbs. A twin turbo 6.0L does exist and yes all assuming inter-coolers are available and injectors.....sorry to burst your bubble but someone is interested in making these strokers go and I am not the only one....nuff said.
Ford switched to the 6.0L to meet emission requirements....I don't like it but that is the game you have to play. Now GM and Cummins have to fall inline......states are passing a no smoke law.....my 6.0L tuned does not even give a faint hint......:muahaha:
ToddPSD 05-01-2005, 10:38 PM Todd I think I asked you once before....how are you stacked? Edge for power with SCT just for shifting? Can't really explain here but SCT has stoped all email downloads of files. I just sent mine out for a new tune and I asked about the stack....the Extreme he is setting up for me far exceeds the Edge stack....so we will see.
I just have the tranny stack that I am running right now. I have 3 new tunes on my computer that I can't load cause my tuner is messed up. I am gonna send it back to Eric some time soon. But lately I've been to busy to get that done. I haven't talked to Matt in a while. But my next upgrade will be my tranny it might already be on its way out. Takes a little while to go into reverse.
Maxium4x4 05-02-2005, 08:10 AM The Edge probably did the damage. I went with the Pred for a short time then over to SCT. I am going to roll 30K on the stock tranny and it shifts better than new.
Call Suncoast and get the kit coming....I think they have a few new added items.
ToddPSD 05-02-2005, 06:06 PM Yeah SunCoast is the way I am going. It was just acting funny that day. Does fine now tow'd 14K load 180 miles yesterday no sweat.
My shifts are fine with the SCT and Edge, I am not to crazy with it, but its fun when you need it. I am thinking of selling my Edge and going straight SCT tunes and A-pillar guages.
Texas Diesel Guy 05-02-2005, 09:01 PM Since the launch of the 6.0 was just in 03 many parts are becoming available in such a record short time. 100lbs of boost is current and available right now.No where did I state I was using 100lbs....I think you guys run with an idea an assume something...A twin turbo 6.0L does exist.You call that assuming? I don't care if you plan to use it or not, it's just not possible. Singe Turbo 45psi I'll buy, but twin turbos does not equal 100psi. Your math is ignoring physics.
sorry to burst your bubble but someone is interested in making these strokers go and I am not the only one...Thats a complete misstatement, I never said you couldnt improve on performance, I only said 100psi is not gonna happen.
Texas Diesel Guy 05-02-2005, 09:10 PM ...I have spent much time researching and do not give out advice in an internet forum. It is well known how to run high boost. You actually lower the compression...Lowering compression does nothing to boost, it lowers your VE, the reason people drop compression is to keep from breaking things with higher boost. Its probably best that you don't offer any advice, your research is Censored
Maxium4x4 05-03-2005, 08:03 AM Well let me see 100 lbs is impossible and by lowering compression you only do so not break things.....and your a physics teacher too.
100 is real and has been done on the dyno. A twin turbo 6.0L does exist. I am not giving advice. You are more curious how it is being done, I will not tell you that nor will I ever in an internet forum. How it was achieved will remain unknown to you.
You will not see this offered as a daily driver. Products will definately spin off from this developement...
Call it BS or what ever you would like......but you will never know.
Where can I get evidence of this "dyno" that shows 100 pounds boost?
I dont know where you are getting you information, but I know that a diesel runs off compression, so I dont know why you would lower the compression to make it run better, or whatever you think. I dont want any of your advice, or information because I know that it isnt true. 100 pounds boost from a 6.0 Powerstroke is physically impossible, like Texas Diesel Guy said, even with twin turbos.
How it was achieved will remain unknown to you.
You will not see this offered as a daily driver. Products will definately spin off from this developement...
Call it BS or what ever you would like......but you will never know.
So you are saying that if this 6.0 powerstroke, or anyother 6.0 actually does reach 100 pounds boost, it will never be advertised or told that it is making 100 lbs? If there was one it would be easy to figure out how to, and im sure that there is more than just one company, or person for that matter, that knows how to make 100 lbs. If it is possible, there isnt just one person that knows how to do it.
ToddPSD 05-04-2005, 06:16 PM 100 pounds boost from a 6.0 Powerstroke is physically impossible, like Texas Diesel Guy said, even with twin turbos.
It can be done, Daniel son. You must do much more reading young grasshopper.
Goldsburg 05-05-2005, 12:28 PM You call that assuming? I don't care if you plan to use it or not, it's just not possible. Singe Turbo 45psi I'll buy, but twin turbos does not equal 100psi. Your math is ignoring physics.
Thats a complete misstatement, I never said you couldnt improve on performance, I only said 100psi is not gonna happen.FYI -
100PSI of boost pressure is a walk in the park for a twin turbo (compound staging) setup. Each stage would only have to run a 2.8 pressure ratio...
There are Pro Stock tractor pullers that put out 80lbs of boost with a single (gigantic, mind you) turbocharger...:eek:
IHdonnie 05-07-2005, 11:11 PM Where can I get evidence of this "dyno" that shows 100 pounds boost?
I dont know where you are getting you information, but I know that a diesel runs off compression, so I dont know why you would lower the compression to make it run better, or whatever you think. I dont want any of your advice, or information because I know that it isnt true. 100 pounds boost from a 6.0 Powerstroke is physically impossible, like Texas Diesel Guy said, even with twin turbos.
So you are saying that if this 6.0 powerstroke, or anyother 6.0 actually does reach 100 pounds boost, it will never be advertised or told that it is making 100 lbs? If there was one it would be easy to figure out how to, and im sure that there is more than just one company, or person for that matter, that knows how to make 100 lbs. If it is possible, there isnt just one person that knows how to do it.you obviously dont know jack about hi performance diesel engines if you think that decomping is a mistake. you just bought your first diesel pickup, and are asking if you need a boost guage; now you are a freakin expeert about diesel performance. go get in your travel trailer and play with yourself
You THINK 100 psi is possible, but it will remain unkown to me, but then again, you can say anything on an internet forum and not have to back it up. If you want to build up a diesel engine, why are you using a 6.0, if your gonna waste your time on a powerjoke atleast use a 7.3.
Maxium4x4 05-09-2005, 07:47 AM Compare a 7.3L and 6.0L engine torn down.....you will see why.
ToddPSD 05-09-2005, 05:17 PM You THINK 100 psi is possible, but it will remain unkown to me, but then again, you can say anything on an internet forum and not have to back it up. If you want to build up a diesel engine, why are you using a 6.0, if your gonna waste your time on a powerjoke atleast use a 7.3.
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The 6.0 has much more potential than the 7.3
The parts for the 6.0 are comming soon and by summer you will see some bombed, internal rebuilt 6.0's and they will be flyin. Do a little more research your making yourself look dumb. :badidea:
Texas Diesel Guy 05-09-2005, 09:30 PM You guys talk about the 6.0 as if it were the most technologically advanced powerplant of the millenium. No doubt its well built, no one here is denying that, nor the fact that it can be 'hopped up' and make very impressive power, but HEUI has its limitations, and so do engines.
I've seen what the 5.0L V10 VW Common Rail Diesel can do, and I'll be impressed if the 6.0 can keep up.
The 6.0 wont be able to keep up with Cummins either.
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