Pure Power - Allison Transmission Filter
The ORIGINAL 6061 T6 Billet Cleanable and Reusable Oil Filter

(A factory Allison filter will flow 5 GPM the Pure Flow will flow 19 GPM)


American made using certified premium materials.(Beware of inferior knock-offs!)
100% Filtration through T304 Stainless Steel Media
Improved particle removal (up to 90%)
Increased Flow (our smallest filter tested at 20+ gpm)
Lab tested SAE Burst Rate 1,000 psi
Cooler operating temperatures
Easy Monitoring of the engine
Easy Cleaning
No disposal charge
Extended Oil Drain
Used in all major racing venues on land, sea and air
This unique system is the ONLY cleanable/reusable oil filter proven to be so effective and reliable that it passed stringent F.A.A. testing with flying colors Diesel World Magazine Aticle:
"What is one of the things that shift kits do to a transmission for a firmer shift? They raise the pressure in the lines. So in theory, if by removing an OEM-style Allison transmission filter and replacing it with a Pure Power filter that moves 6-7 times the volume and raises pressure, one of the side effects, or benefits if you will, is noticeably firmer shifts. The advantages of more flow are also shown in other ways.
Kelly Tidwell of Pure Power cited the testimony of one of his customers who tows a trailer out of Glamis, CA, from Orange County, CA With no other changes than the Allison Transmission filter from Pure Power, the customer reported that the transmission not only had more definitive shifts, full load on the grades the fluid temerature dropped from between 210-230 degrees to between 190-195 degrees with the filter installed. On the flats it stayed about 170 degrees versus the previous cruising temperature of 190 degrees"




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You can not get more pressure flow out of the spin on. Valve body safegaurds the solenoids and dumps anything above 125 psi to sump. The fluid you are trying to cool is the converter out which is the hottest fluid in the trans not control main which feeds valve body and solenoids.

Who sells them ??

You can not get more pressure flow out of the spin on. Valve body safegaurds the solenoids and dumps anything above 125 psi to sump. The fluid you are trying to cool is the converter out which is the hottest fluid in the trans not control main which feeds valve body and solenoids.



I thought the same thing untill I ran one, maybe the stock filter media will not even alow the 125 psi and the Pure Flow will? As far as the cooling goes it has still been winter here so we have not had a chance to thouroughly test with a trailer just on regular driving and we like it.

I thought the same thing untill I ran one, maybe the stock filter media will not even alow the 125 psi and the Pure Flow will? As far as the cooling goes it has still been winter here so we have not had a chance to thouroughly test with a trailer just on regular driving and we like it.

I have pressure checked them at the filter as I have a test adapter. 125 psi goes into the filter and 125 psi comes out. Anything over 126 psi is dumped to the sump by the control main regulator valve so the solenoids don't jam.
Allison went to a lot of trouble to get the spin on right.

I have pressure checked them at the filter as I have a test adapter. 125 psi goes into the filter and 125 psi comes out. Anything over 126 psi is dumped to the sump by the control main regulator valve so the solenoids don't jam.
Allison went to a lot of trouble to get the spin on right.
Thanks for saving me some cash:D One less thing to buy! Now if I could only get one of those C3 oilers from ya I'd be set;)

The biggest benefit is the increased filtration, but we also like the crisper shift. Dont get me wrong I would prefer to sell a trans kit but not everyone needs one. However we feel evryone can benefit from superior filtration and that is why we run them.

The biggest benefit is the increased filtration, but we also like the crisper shift. Dont get me wrong I would prefer to sell a trans kit but not everyone needs one. However we feel evryone can benefit from superior filtration and that is why we run them.

Allison set the filtration on the loose side for a reason. I believe it is 27 microns. Now you are saying that filtration is better but the flow is better. Better filtration equals less micron which equauls less flow. Shifts do not get better with control main pressure. You are preaching propoganda you have read and trying to sell filters and saying the shifts are better. I am saying not possible. Better cooling is not possible with your unit. In fact, if this unit is not engineered correctly you will have trans problems. Bet every trans builder will nullify your warranty if there is a problem. I will.

Where does the magnet go?:o:

I must also add that I was going to do this 5 or 6 years ago and after testing pressures with Joe Webb at Suncoast we decided against it. I am not knocking you but I don't believe this idea is a good one.

mike has spoken...thanks for the input bud

I guess I'm not gettin my oiler:(:(..lol..j/k

I must also add that I was going to do this 5 or 6 years ago and after testing pressures with Joe Webb at Suncoast we decided against it. I am not knocking you but I don't believe this idea is a good one.



Have you installed and run one? we have and find that the article in Diesel World is accurate.

Allison set the filtration on the loose side for a reason. I believe it is 27 microns. Now you are saying that filtration is better but the flow is better. Better filtration equals less micron which equauls less flow. Shifts do not get better with control main pressure. You are preaching propoganda you have read and trying to sell filters and saying the shifts are better. I am saying not possible. Better cooling is not possible with your unit. In fact, if this unit is not engineered correctly you will have trans problems. Bet every trans builder will nullify your warranty if there is a problem. I will.



If there is a misunderstanding it is not my filter this filter is buit by Pure Power and here is some additional information or propoganda if you like.

Pure Power!® Lifetime Oil Filter Receives SEMA International New Product Award

Huntington Beach, CA - Friday, March 17, 2006

Pure Power!® is the number one lifetime oil filter among professional racing teams, fleet services, performance enthusiast and the media throughout the world. At the 2005 SEMA show, the Pure Power!® Lifetime Oil Filter received the International New Product Award. The award was chosen by a prestigious jury comprised of leading international journalists and Pure Power!® was the only oil filter manufacturer to receive this award.

What makes Pure Power!® Lifetime Oil Filters number one? They are premium-grade, cleanable and reusable oil filters engineered to provide superior oil filtration while improving the oil flow volume. Benefits include extended oil drain intervals, increased engine life, lower emissions, reduced oil temperatures (ideal for high performance, turbocharged and engine oil fed centrifugal supercharger applications). Save money with reduced oil change costs (no disposal charges) and reduced toxic waste disposal which helps the environment.

Each filter is manufactured in the U.S.A. to precision aerospace tolerances that exceed OEM oil filter requirements. Aircraft quality is truly an understatement now that Pure Power! Lifetime Oil Filter has recently passed stringent testing and is now the first and only cleanable/reusable oil filter to be Certified by the Federal Aviation Administration for use on aircraft. Testing conducted at Southwest Research Institute revealed that the Pure Power! Lifetime Oil Filter dramatically increases the removal of both ferrous and non ferrous particles. The oil actually flows through corrosion proof T304 Stainless Steel duplex woven filtering media. Additional testing at SwRI has shown that this filter delivers more than double the flow of filtered oil through specifically designed maximum flow Inlet Kidneys. Testing at SwRI also found this filter to withstand an excess of 1,000 psi. The filter is CNC machined from Certified American 6061 T-6 forged billet aluminum. For maximum performance and durability it is engineered with Viton O-Rings on all sealing surfaces. The convenient and easy to remove canister makes monitoring the condition of your engine at any time a snap. Cleaning can be done in a parts washing tank or can be field cleaned in hot soapy water. Pure Power!® Lifetime Oil Filters are available for 99% of foreign and domestic cars, trucks, SUV’s, boats, motorcycles, generators and heavy duty equipment with gasoline or diesel engines using spin-on style oil filters. Retail prices range from $199.95 to $399.95.

Perhaps Diesel World is noticing firmer shifts is due to the better flow of the filter. Sure its at the same pressure (125 psi) but its flowing more fluid through the filter at that given pressure.

Would you really notice anything on a modded allison? i think you would notice more on a stock one since theres no pump mods.

I have seen these cause shifting issues on trucks!

If Mike L. says NO----That's good enough for me !!! :(:(

If Mike L. says NO----That's good enough for me !!! :(:(


I second the motion!

I second the motion!

Third... :agreed: :sorrysign

You can not get better flow with a finer micron rating filter ( unless the fluid used is less viscus than the original one used ). The lower the micron rating the finer the filter media is the more restriction you have so less flow threw the filter. Not possible...

and also because he said so.:eek:

If there is a misunderstanding it is not my filter this filter is buit by Pure Power and here is some additional information or propoganda if you like.

Pure Power!® Lifetime Oil Filter Receives SEMA International New Product Award

Huntington Beach, CA - Friday, March 17, 2006

Pure Power!® is the number one lifetime oil filter among professional racing teams, fleet services, performance enthusiast and the media throughout the world.

Who are they?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

What makes Pure Power!® Lifetime Oil Filters number one? Says who?:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Retail prices range from $199.95 to $399.95. Got to be kidding?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'm with Mike. Sounds to me like just another gimmic product--don't fall for it .

199.95 to 399.95 :eek:

You pay this amount of money so you can spend at least an hour cleaning it while making a mess. Then you have to clean up the cleaning stuff when you're done. Then you have to dispose of the solvent and rags and stuff.
Each filter change will be put off longer and longer till you don't do it anymore.
Buy an Allison filter for 10.00 bucks or less, crack open a beer and take a sip, put pan under truck. Take another sip of beer, change filter and remove pan. Sit back and finish beer knowing you did the best possible job that could be done. Total time with sipping beer; 5 minutes. :D

199.95 to 399.95 :eek:

You pay this amount of money so you can spend at least an hour cleaning it while making a mess. Then you have to clean up the cleaning stuff when you're done. Then you have to dispose of the solvent and rags and stuff.
Each filter change will be put off longer and longer till you don't do it anymore.
Buy an Allison filter for 10.00 bucks or less, crack open a beer and take a sip, put pan under truck. Take another sip of beer, change filter and remove pan. Sit back and finish beer knowing you did the best possible job that could be done. Total time with sipping beer; 5 minutes. :D
Couldn't be said any better!:D

i was wondering about this product but it does not look like i will buy it.

You can not get better flow with a finer micron rating filter ( unless the fluid used is less viscus than the original one used ). The lower the micron rating the finer the filter media is the more restriction you have so less flow threw the filter. Not possible...

and also because he said so.:eek:



Interesting statement, then is everyone running a 2 micron auxillary fuel filter like th Nicktane or many others getting less fuel to the injection pump unless they run a less viscus fuel?

Interesting statement, then is everyone running a 2 micron auxillary fuel filter like th Nicktane or many others getting less fuel to the injection pump unless they run a less viscus fuel?

You need to start understanding how things work before you start throwing stuff out there. First; you can play with your fluel filters all you want and the worse you can do is run slower with a lower micron element, which you will.
Second; you are now talking about critical flow to the solenoids which has a limit before they no longer can operate.
You need to take a transmission course and not a sales course as this unit will not work as you claim ( or manufacturer claims.)
I normaly will say send me one and I will test it and report. Not this time. Don't want it.
I have given you all the technical reasons why I am against it. I will not post in this thread again because it may look bad . I have put out the warning.

Wouldn't more filter area make up for the finer filter media?

Good point made!

Wouldn't more filter area make up for the finer filter media?



Yes and it does have more filter area. I also was skeptical of these filters so like with many products I bought one and tried it, I am know convinced that the article in Diesel World is accurate and Pure Power is approved by the FAA for a reason.
If someone purchases a filter we will generate $25 if we sell a transmission kit or shift kit the profit is just a little more. I am not sure how good of a sales tactic that is, but I am more interested in promoting good quality products .

Mike, I can certainly agree with you on the convenience of just spinning on a filter and enjoing a cold beer. But like the Banks intake systems and many other serviceable lifetime filters, I believe the extra work is worth the reward. This too will be my last post because I believe this thread is getting very redundant, so I will end with the following statement.


We read an article about a great new product, we bought one, installed it on our personal truck, ran it and like it, so we are sharing our personal experience about it. We believe this is a good philosophy and sets Dmaxstore apart from the majority of other companys who are just selling for a profit and we will continue to do it.
:beerchug:

Just exactly what I would want to trust!
What next?

Where does the magnet go?:o:

:exactly:

It's been a few years ago that I bought several air filters for my duramax. I received the filters for the 8.1 without the bonding strips of the correct filter. I believe that was from the duramax store, but I thought they had stopped doing business. Was that your company? The last digit in the part number was a 5 instead of a 6. Oh well, hope it was a different store as I never resolved the isssue, and they are still sitting in my garage. I always thought I would give them to someone, but I don't know anyone with the 8.1, and don't want to bother repackaging only to give them away. Good luck in your ventures.

It's been a few years ago that I bought several air filters for my duramax. I received the filters for the 8.1 without the bonding strips of the correct filter. I believe that was from the duramax store, but I thought they had stopped doing business. Was that your company? The last digit in the part number was a 5 instead of a 6. Oh well, hope it was a different store as I never resolved the isssue, and they are still sitting in my garage. I always thought I would give them to someone, but I don't know anyone with the 8.1, and don't want to bother repackaging only to give them away. Good luck in your ventures.



Sorry to hear that but definately not us, did you keep any paperwork? maybe there is some contact info on it?
Good luck we hope you get it resolved

Yeah, they seem to have dissapeared off the net not long after I bought some stuff from them. Glad to hear your not the same business, as for the filters, I'll find somebody that can use them. It was a forgotten issue until I saw the name which I thought I recognized.

Maybe these filters come with the beer?

Interesting statement, then is everyone running a 2 micron auxillary fuel filter like th Nicktane or many others getting less fuel to the injection pump unless they run a less viscus fuel?


there is way way way more filter media in the Nictane filter vs. the stock fuel filter that is why it flows good. the filter you advertize looks very similar in size ( outer shell ) to the original allison spinon filter.
I am not an expert but I do work with lots of heat exchangers and oils and do know something about it .

Paper does not flow..Thats enough for me.

Allison set the filtration on the loose side for a reason. I believe it is 27 microns. Now you are saying that filtration is better but the flow is better. Better filtration equals less micron which equauls less flow.

Allison set the filtration on the loose side to keep the flow volume high. Just pore ATF through a cellulose or Cellulose/Synthetic Media and it takes a long time to travel through. The flow rate through a the stainless steel mesh screen is at least 5 times faster depending on which filter you are testing. The Pure Power units are around 22 microns absolute and are not a nominal filtering. Most cellulose media of that size and surface area can only flow 6 gallons or less per minuet. The filter will drop ATF temperature due to the heat dissipation nature of aluminum VS stamped steel, but in the end it would only be a degree or two.

You can not get better flow with a finer micron rating filter ( unless the fluid used is less viscus than the original one used ). The lower the micron rating the finer the filter media is the more restriction you have so less flow threw the filter. Not possible...

and also because he said so.:eek:

Donaldson dis-proved that statement years ago with different filtering medias. I think they have 60 variations now. Flow and Filtration can be improved using a different blend of cellulose media, but it is way easier with a fine screen mesh.

:exactly:

They are on the out side of the SS filtering mesh.

Allison set the filtration on the loose side to keep the flow volume high. Just pore ATF through a cellulose or Cellulose/Synthetic Media and it takes a long time to travel through. The flow rate through a the stainless steel mesh screen is at least 5 times faster depending on which filter you are testing. The Pure Power units are around 22 microns absolute and are not a nominal filtering. Most cellulose media of that size and surface area can only flow 6 gallons or less per minuet. The filter will drop ATF temperature due to the heat dissipation nature of aluminum VS stamped steel, but in the end it would only be a degree or two.

Allison set the filtration exactly where they thought it must be for proper solenoid function. That's why the control main regulator valve is set to dump anything over 126 psi into sump to protect them. To say this filter does a better job is pure hype with nothing to back it up. As far as temp drops, you are dreaming. The aluminum pans show no increse in cooling fluid and they are able to hold 5 to 7 quarts at a time to dissipate heat. Your filter holds a cupfull. There is no cooling whatsoever with this unit.
Is your company willing to do a public test with a magazine present? Bring any engineer you want along with your company representative. Hell bring a bunch of DieselPlace members with cameras. This could be very lucrative for your company if it does as you say; could be dissasterous too if I'm correct. I will do all the labor for free with strict supervision by your reps, the magazine of your choice and any members here that want to be present.

If Mike L says no- then it's NO for me.

I am not for nor against this filter and can care less because the retail price pays for at least 20 spin -on filters .... but what i do care about is this statement:

A factory Allison filter will flow 5 GPM the Pure Flow will flow 19 GPM

With this being said - In theory of the filter is allowing almost 4X as much fluid through it will have a cooling effect on the transmission, right?

i don't understand the firmer shifts though.

I also do not like the screen type filters - i had one for my KX450 and it was just a mess exactly as previously mentioned.

not trying to bash the product or push it ... just bringing upon points that i am interested in.

I am not for nor against this filter and can care less because the retail price pays for at least 20 spin -on filters .... but what i do care about is this statement:

A factory Allison filter will flow 5 GPM the Pure Flow will flow 19 GPM

With this being said - In theory of the filter is allowing almost 4X as much fluid through it will have a cooling effect on the transmission, right?

i don't understand the firmer shifts though.

I also do not like the screen type filters - i had one for my KX450 and it was just a mess exactly as previously mentioned.

not trying to bash the product or push it ... just bringing upon points that i am interested in.


It doesn't matter what it WILL flow; the controll main regulator valve will not let it flow. The spin on filter is called the control main filter and it filters fluid going to the solenoids and valve body.
As far as your question on more flow equals more cooling; pull the thermostat out of your engine and watch the heat go up. Fluids need to slow down to a point that they can actualy shed heat. Fluids moving too fast cannot do this. But that is not the case here with this filter.

Allison set the filtration exactly where they thought it must be for proper solenoid function. That's why the control main regulator valve is set to dump anything over 126 psi into sump to protect them.

There are other reasons beside solenoid reaction time, filtration and the total volume of oil flow to each valve. Second, to state that is is exactly where it should be is false as there are always some give and take in filtration which results in a compromise.

To say this filter does a better job is pure hype with nothing to back it up.

It is not my company, and their filter has been independently tested and endorsed by the following corporations:

U. S. Air Force
U.S. Postal Service
Textron
Boeing Corporation
Meadow Gold Corporation
Swiss Dairy
Orange County of California
Mack Trucks
as well as many trucking fleets and cities in the US

The filter has also been tested by Vette Magazine, Hot Rod Magazine, Street Rodder Magazine, Street Chopper Magazine, Rod and Custom Magazine, Bike Works Magazine and Hot Rod Bikes Magazine.

The filter has also been tested by the prestigious South West Research Institute out of San Antonio Texas and did very well. You can get the results form Kelly Tidwell at Pure Power and call SW to verify the results, just get the Lab Test number to speed up the process. Ask for Gary B. Bessee as he was very helpful in my research:

http://www.swri.org/3PUBS/BROCHURE/D08/OILFILT/oilfilt.htm (http://www.swri.org/3PUBS/BROCHURE/D08/OILFILT/oilfilt.htm)
http://www.swri.org/ (http://www.swri.org/)

You can also see their filter endorsed by this Government Sponsored Video @ 1:50.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o3r2RR_4aE

I posted some previous SW work here:

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=279438

As far as temp drops, you are dreaming. The aluminum pans show no increse in cooling fluid and they are able to hold 5 to 7 quarts at a time to dissipate heat. Your filter holds a cupfull. There is no cooling whatsoever with this unit.

Where are you measuring your temperature reading? I assume it is the trans line from the converter to the trans cooler, and yes in a 700 hp truck at WOT there will not be much of a difference, but the temperature in the sump is less, as a fined aluminum pan will dissipate more heat than a stamped steel one. You can argue over how much, but it will none the less dissipate more heat due to basics laws of physics. In my testing of the aluminum fined sleeve in the picture below it has resulted in a reduction of my vehicles engine oil temperature. I also use a ram air system to push air over the aluminum fins for additional cooling. If you are not noticing a difference in temperature, I would recomend verify the reaction time and temperature/resistance curve of your thermister.
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Is your company willing to do a public test with a magazine present? Bring any engineer you want along with your company representative. Hell bring a bunch of DieselPlace members with cameras. This could be very lucrative for your company if it does as you say; could be dissasterous too if I'm correct. I will do all the labor for free with strict supervision by your reps, the magazine of your choice and any members here that want to be present.

Again, I do not work for the company, but your offer is nice. I just finished my Graduate Project at CSU Fresno on Oil Filter testing and am overall very disappointed with standard oil filters. Of the 15 unit test group, many of the unites I tested had serious design flaws. I have purchased a Pure Power unit and should be finished testing it in 9 months as I am already in the process of testing another model. Below is a comparison of a standard M1 filtering media VS the Pure Power.

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FYI on my study I tested the following oil filters and chose to base the models off a Hyundai vehicle for the following reasons:

The model number of each aftermarket oil filter will cross reference to being compatible with a Hyundai Motor Company engine. The reason for choosing an oil filter for a Hyundai engine is that the corresponding aftermarket oil filters for Hyundai engines are one of the highest used and produced model of oil filters in the world. Hyundai Motor Company is an international corporation whose vehicles are sold all over the world and is currently the 5th largest automaker in the world (Hyundai, 2007). Kia Motor Company is a sister company of Hyundai which also uses the same oil filter. Both Hyundai and Kia have used the same automotive oil filter since 1983 in every engine that uses a disposable cartridge oil filter. For comparison, Ford Motor Company has used the same oil filter on their 3.9 liter V6 engine since its introduction, but this engine was sold as an option in only two separate models from 2004 through 2007. The 2009 Ford Taurus is the only other vehicle currently being manufactured whose engine uses the same FL 400 oil filter as the 3.9 liter engine. Due to the fact that for over 20 years the same disposable cartridge oil filter has been used on every make and model of Hyundai and Kia gasoline powered automobiles, is why it is one of the most commonly used oil filters in the world. The same oil filter that corresponds to Hyundai vehicles also fits many other four and six cylinder engines from Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Ford, GM, Chrysler, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Isuzu and their respective sister corporations (Champion Labs, 2009). Hence, the Hyundai and Kia oil filter was chosen for this experiment as the research will directly apply to the largest sample of oil filter buyers currently available in the world.

Here are some images of the media:
Amsoil:
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M1
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OEM Hyundai
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image01020Hyundai1.jpg
SynLube/ACDelco
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image010Amsoil1.jpg
Bosch
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image010Bosch1.jpg
Fram Extended Guard
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image010Fram20Extended20Guard1.jpg
Fram HM
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Basic Fram:
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K&N
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Napa Gold
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image010Napa.jpg
Proline
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image010Proline.jpg
Purolator
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image010PureOne.jpg
PureOne
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image010PureOne2.jpg
STP
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image010STP.jpg
SuperTech
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/Image010Supertech.jpg
Sorry, but transferring the data form the microscope to the computer to the editor and then to photo bucket resulted in substantial loss of clarity.


One of the greatest Discripencies was with Amsoil:

It seems logical that a synthetic filtering media could have a smaller filtering media and still capture smaller micron particles than a cellulose media, but it also seems logical that the total holding capacity of the synthetic media would be less due to the smaller total surface area.

The synthetic media oil filters are also generally recommended for longer drain intervals which is worrisome due to the smaller synthetic filtering medias total surface area, and the fact that the synthetic fibers will capture and hold smaller particles. Thus it is likely that the filter will become clogged faster with debris which would result in the oil bypass valve opening and defeating the purpose of the filtering element functioning as intended.

For example the Amsoil EAO 20 oil filter having the smallest filtering surface area of the test sample seems contradictory to Amsoil’s claim that their filter can last up to 25,000 miles. In fact their total surface area is 2.84 times smaller than the OEM Hyundai oil filter which it is a replacement for. Amsoil technical support also claims that all holding capacities of their oil filters are Proprietary information so I can not compare the holding capacity in grams from a full synthetic Amsoil Filtering Media to a standard cellulose filtering media.

Hear is a picture of a graph showing the cost to total surface area of the filtering element:

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This guys work did not help the descripicnicy as well:

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh319/eddie_lortz/11.jpg

The only reason why an Amsoil oil filter would not clean as well as a M1 again and again is if the bypass valve is open due to the filter being clogged.
Here is the link:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1250177

In conclusion, my question is how can a smaller total surface area of synthetic filtering media have the ability to hold more total contaminant assuming the oil bypass valve on a synthetic and cellulose oil filter open at the same PSI? If anyone has any ideas or if I missed any studies let me know.

Thanks

Hyundai? Aren't we talking about the DMax?

It doesn't matter what it WILL flow; the controll main regulator valve will not let it flow. The spin on filter is called the control main filter and it filters fluid going to the solenoids and valve body.
As far as your question on more flow equals more cooling; pull the thermostat out of your engine and watch the heat go up. Fluids need to slow down to a point that they can actualy shed heat. Fluids moving too fast cannot do this. But that is not the case here with this filter.


thats what i was looking for - better flow is then restricted after the filter which results in no aid.

good to learn this info.

Thanks

done for now but i will monitor the thread.

Hyundai? Aren't we talking about the DMax?

Pure Power makes them for many applications. I however am testing the oil filter in a size that corresponds to a Hyundai engine for the above reasons. The similarities between an oil filter and an Allison ATF filter are greater than the differences. Thus in broad terms, the same principles of filtration, flow, heat dissipation and the like are nearly identical.

Pure Power makes them for many applications. I however am testing the oil filter in a size that corresponds to a Hyundai engine for the above reasons. The similarities between an oil filter and an Allison ATF filter are greater than the differences. Thus in broad terms, the same principles of filtration, flow, heat dissipation and the like are nearly identical.

I only have a few problems with your filter at this point9 since I have not tested it ).

First, explane the better shifting ( more firm was the term used )
Second, I do not believe you can cool the fluid significantly a cup at a time and I check all my temps at the sump and my thermister is just fine.
Third, your filter is way too expensive for questionable results if any.
Fourth, servicing your filter will take up way too much time and cost with needing solvent and rags to clean it. An aircompressor would be handy to blow the metal chips and dirt out because without compressed air it won't be clean. The dirty solvent and stuff will need to be disposed of also. I believe that truck owners that buy these filters will start lagging as far as servicing them on time because it would be a pita to do. Not the way I want to spend my Saturday morning. Eventually these filters will be set aside and a little red spin on will go back in its place.

[quote=Mike L.;3283944]I only have a few problems with your filter at this point9 since I have not tested it ).

Again, I do not work for the company.

First, explane the better shifting ( more firm was the term used )

An increase flow in volume will result in a faster shift if the stock filter poses a restriction which I feel it does. Pressure and flow or volume are different. You can increase flow while keeping pressure the same or decreasing it. Bernoulli's principle states that you can increase the speed of a gas and liquid while the pressure of the fluid decreases. If the shift can happen in 0.2 of a second instead of 0.3 due to an increased in flow people will call this a faster shift or a firmer shift. Also the faster the shift can occure the faster the engine can resume maximum fueling capacity as I know Allison's de-fuel during a shift at WOT. To simplify flow and pressure, pressure is when you cover the hose with you finger and the water sprays out very far. Volume is when your thumb is removed and more water will flow out faster and in turn fill a bucket faster. So if it is maxed out at 125 psi a greater flow of ATF to the valve body is still possible at the same PSI. The principle is like the difference between a high pressure oil pump and a high volume oil pump. The two designs are different.

Second, I do not believe you can cool the fluid significantly a cup at a time and I check all my temps at the sump and my thermister is just fine.

I agree that a significant reduction in fluid temperature is not possible. I only speculated a degree or two based on my research, but I also run a fined sleeve and generate a lot of air flow by the filter. My research result does not particularly apply to the discussion, but none the less it will drop the temp some what based on physics.

Third, your filter is way too expensive for questionable results if any.

I got mine for $63 new.

Fourth, servicing your filter will take up way too much time and cost with needing solvent and rags to clean it. An aircompressor would be handy to blow the metal chips and dirt out because without compressed air it won't be clean. The dirty solvent and stuff will need to be disposed of also. I believe that truck owners that buy these filters will start lagging as far as servicing them on time because it would be a pita to do. Not the way I want to spend my Saturday morning. Eventually these filters will be set aside and a little red spin on will go back in its place.

The filter is not for everyone, as it was designed for those that do not want to trust their 10,000 dollar engine and 5,000 transmission to a 0.30 cent piece of paper, cardboard end caps, plastic bypass valves and cheep nitrile base gasket seals and drainback valves. If you want the same filtering media that is used in NASA and many aviation industries paper is not it. I already have a solvent tank and I can clean it in 5 minuets with a final blast of carb cleaner and dry it off with compressed air. Mine also has a drain plug on it to reduce spillage which is nice.

If you want you can take a sample of the ATF through the dipstick with the engine running and send it to Black Stone Labs for a particulate count. You can then run the PP and do the same. PP is located in Huntington Beach which is not far from you and if Kelly trually believes in his product, then he should offer you a money back guarantee since you are going to test it.

To do this and not take a long time, run a new filter for 1000 miles and take the sample followed by the same procedure for the PP unit. This will also tell you the filtering ability of a new filter as new filters do not filter as well as a used one. In fact, maximum filtration occurs just before the filter is plugged and the pressure differential opens up the bypass valve.

[quote=Mike L.;3283944]I only have a few problems with your filter at this point9 since I have not tested it ).

Again, I do not work for the company.

First, explane the better shifting ( more firm was the term used )

An increase flow in volume will result in a faster shift if the stock filter poses a restriction which I feel it does. Pressure and flow or volume are different. You can increase flow while keeping pressure the same or decreasing it. Bernoulli's principle states that you can increase the speed of a gas and liquid while the pressure of the fluid decreases. If the shift can happen in 0.2 of a second instead of 0.3 due to an increased in flow people will call this a faster shift or a firmer shift. Also the faster the shift can occure the faster the engine can resume maximum fueling capacity as I know Allison's de-fuel during a shift at WOT. To simplify flow and pressure, pressure is when you cover the hose with you finger and the water sprays out very far. Volume is when your thumb is removed and more water will flow out faster and in turn fill a bucket faster. So if it is maxed out at 125 psi a greater flow of ATF to the valve body is still possible at the same PSI. The principle is like the difference between a high pressure oil pump and a high volume oil pump. The two designs are different.

Second, I do not believe you can cool the fluid significantly a cup at a time and I check all my temps at the sump and my thermister is just fine.

I agree that a significant reduction in fluid temperature is not possible. I only speculated a degree or two based on my research, but I also run a fined sleeve and generate a lot of air flow by the filter. My research result does not particularly apply to the discussion, but none the less it will drop the temp some what based on physics.

Third, your filter is way too expensive for questionable results if any.

I got mine for $63 new.

Fourth, servicing your filter will take up way too much time and cost with needing solvent and rags to clean it. An aircompressor would be handy to blow the metal chips and dirt out because without compressed air it won't be clean. The dirty solvent and stuff will need to be disposed of also. I believe that truck owners that buy these filters will start lagging as far as servicing them on time because it would be a pita to do. Not the way I want to spend my Saturday morning. Eventually these filters will be set aside and a little red spin on will go back in its place.

The filter is not for everyone, as it was designed for those that do not want to trust their 10,000 dollar engine and 5,000 transmission to a 0.30 cent piece of paper, cardboard end caps, plastic bypass valves and cheep nitrile base gasket seals and drainback valves. If you want the same filtering media that is used in NASA and many aviation industries paper is not it. I already have a solvent tank and I can clean it in 5 minuets with a final blast of carb cleaner and dry it off with compressed air. Mine also has a drain plug on it to reduce spillage which is nice.

If you want you can take a sample of the ATF through the dipstick with the engine running and send it to Black Stone Labs for a particulate count. You can then run the PP and do the same. PP is located in Huntington Beach which is not far from you and if Kelly trually believes in his product, then he should offer you a money back guarantee since you are going to test it.

To do this and not take a long time, run a new filter for 1000 miles and take the sample followed by the same procedure for the PP unit. This will also tell you the filtering ability of a new filter as new filters do not filter as well as a used one. In fact, maximum filtration occurs just before the filter is plugged and the pressure differential opens up the bypass valve.
OK now we are getting somewhere.
If this filter could increase flow, which it cannot,and the trim solenoids wouldn't hydraulicly jam, which they would; the TCM would learn down the shift in a day or so. example; BullyDog trim valves.
You made my point when you said you had a solvent tank. I do not want toxic chemicals in my garage. You need gloves and a face mask and the fumes will travel into your house. Got kids, or a wife? Do you love them?
Your comment about filters doing their best just before they get plugged; try it on the Allison and you will be parked off the road in default mode.
You are digging a hole my friend that you can't get out of. You also never mention that o rings will need to be stocked and if you forgot to order them you will not service your filter; hence the red little spin on will go back on and your high priced fancy filter will sit on a shelf for a year or so and get tossed in the trash. I have suggested that people replace their spin on every 5K knowing that they will do it every 10K. If I suggested every 10K which is great except for competetive trucks, people would do it every 15 or 20K which IMHO is not exceptable.

[quote=Johnny-Law;3283982]

You made my point when you said you had a solvent tank. I do not want toxic chemicals in my garage. You need gloves and a face mask and the fumes will travel into your house. Got kids, or a wife? Do you love them?





What if he doesn't love them?:(

Thanks for saving me some cash:D One less thing to buy! Now if I could only get one of those C3 oilers from ya I'd be set;)


Want to save some more? Don't wast it on a C3 "oiler".;)




I will not post in this thread again because it may look bad.

1,

Allison set the filtration exactly where they thought it must be for proper solenoid function. That's why the control main regulator valve is set to dump anything over 126 psi into sump to protect them. To say this filter does a better job is pure hype with nothing to back it up. As far as temp drops, you are dreaming. The aluminum pans show no increse in cooling fluid and they are able to hold 5 to 7 quarts at a time to dissipate heat. Your filter holds a cupfull. There is no cooling whatsoever with this unit.
Is your company willing to do a public test with a magazine present? Bring any engineer you want along with your company representative. Hell bring a bunch of DieselPlace members with cameras. This could be very lucrative for your company if it does as you say; could be dissasterous too if I'm correct. I will do all the labor for free with strict supervision by your reps, the magazine of your choice and any members here that want to be present.

2,



It doesn't matter what it WILL flow; the controll main regulator valve will not let it flow. The spin on filter is called the control main filter and it filters fluid going to the solenoids and valve body.
As far as your question on more flow equals more cooling; pull the thermostat out of your engine and watch the heat go up. Fluids need to slow down to a point that they can actualy shed heat. Fluids moving too fast cannot do this. But that is not the case here with this filter.

3,

I only have a few problems with your filter at this point9 since I have not tested it ).

First, explane the better shifting ( more firm was the term used )
Second, I do not believe you can cool the fluid significantly a cup at a time and I check all my temps at the sump and my thermister is just fine.
Third, your filter is way too expensive for questionable results if any.
Fourth, servicing your filter will take up way too much time and cost with needing solvent and rags to clean it. An aircompressor would be handy to blow the metal chips and dirt out because without compressed air it won't be clean. The dirty solvent and stuff will need to be disposed of also. I believe that truck owners that buy these filters will start lagging as far as servicing them on time because it would be a pita to do. Not the way I want to spend my Saturday morning. Eventually these filters will be set aside and a little red spin on will go back in its place.

4,

[quote=Johnny-Law;3283982]
OK now we are getting somewhere.
If this filter could increase flow, which it cannot,and the trim solenoids wouldn't hydraulicly jam, which they would; the TCM would learn down the shift in a day or so. example; BullyDog trim valves.
You made my point when you said you had a solvent tank. I do not want toxic chemicals in my garage. You need gloves and a face mask and the fumes will travel into your house. Got kids, or a wife? Do you love them?
Your comment about filters doing their best just before they get plugged; try it on the Allison and you will be parked off the road in default mode.
You are digging a hole my friend that you can't get out of. You also never mention that o rings will need to be stocked and if you forgot to order them you will not service your filter; hence the red little spin on will go back on and your high priced fancy filter will sit on a shelf for a year or so and get tossed in the trash. I have suggested that people replace their spin on every 5K knowing that they will do it every 10K. If I suggested every 10K which is great except for competetive trucks, people would do it every 15 or 20K which IMHO is not exceptable.



Looks like you went back on your word Mike, again...:(

Want to save some more? Don't wast it on a C3 "oiler".;)






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[quote=Mike L.;3284405]



Looks like you went back on your word Mike, again...:(

I thought this was a pretty good dialog with some good info but looks like Stevie jr just had to come in here and show his colors once again.
Have you won a sled pull yet with your high dollar ... parts with your personal ... tuner? Guess not since we haven't seen any videos. There will always be a next time and another next time and, well you get it.:D
Now if you would kindly STFU we can get back on topic. You still wonder why I edit your stupid posts? You are a sad discusted disruption that continualy ruins good posts.

OK now we are getting somewhere.
If this filter could increase flow, which it cannot,and the trim solenoids wouldn't hydraulicly jam, which they would; the TCM would learn down the shift in a day or so. example; BullyDog trim valves.

I will try one more time to help you understand the difference in flow rate:

Q: How can flow-rate be increased without sacrificing filtration performance?
A: To increase the flow-rate without sacrificing filter performance, a filter with more media surface area may be used. While the media has the same restriction per sq: in., the larger surface area of the media will provide a higher flow rate. An increase in flow-rate can also be accommodated by adding another filter in parallel. Other media types are also available that may provide increased flow without sacrificing filtration performance (such as Stainless Steel).

Q: Where does hydraulic system pressure originate?
A: Hydraulic pumps do not generate pressure, they only generate flow. It is resistance to flow in the system that generates system pressure.

http://www.machinerylubrication.com/article_detail.asp?articleid=1289

You made my point when you said you had a solvent tank. I do not want toxic chemicals in my garage. You need gloves and a face mask and the fumes will travel into your house. Got kids, or a wife? Do you love them?

You do not need a face mask with a solvent tank and people hardly ever use gloves, especially if you use the new biodegradable green solvent. There is also a sealed lid for the solvent tank and my shop has a ventilation system. You can also use carb cleaner as a standalone cleaner. Seriously, cleaning the unit is not that hard. Most people will spend more time cleaning their truck rims.

Your comment about filters doing their best just before they get plugged; try it on the Allison and you will be parked off the road in default mode.

That statement is true and was in relation to testing in order to avoid errors. Again, why are you stating the obvious, my previous statement was clear and is common knowledge.

You are digging a hole my friend that you can't get out of. You also never mention that o rings will need to be stocked and if you forgot to order them you will not service your filter; hence the red little spin on will go back on and your high priced fancy filter will sit on a shelf for a year or so and get tossed in the trash. I have suggested that people replace their spin on every 5K knowing that they will do it every 10K. If I suggested every 10K which is great except for competetive trucks, people would do it every 15 or 20K which IMHO is not exceptable.[/quote]

Digging a hole :) OK! The seals are made out of Viton and are military grade and you do not need to soak them. They are impervious to most acids, oils and the like. They will not wear out for a long, long, long time and are resistant to over 400 degrees fahrenheit where a standard nitrile seal is 220 degrees fahrenheit. They are also in the standard sizes so you can pick them up easily if the corporation goes out of business from a standard seal and bearing shop.

Honestly, it seems like you are just makeing up silly excuses now. If you do not like the filter then fine, but leave it at that.

Most people will spend more time cleaning their truck rims.


I agree.......which is another reason why it makes more sense to stay with the red ones!;)

There is a reason why people and racers all over travel thousands of miles to have a trans built by Mike.:)

A: Hydraulic pumps do not generate pressure, they only generate flow. It is resistance to flow in the system that generates system pressure.



Thats about the smartest ( and truest) thing ever said on this forum.

:p:

That said, if you have a pressure regulator to control this resistance, you inturn can control system pressure.

No "Delta" across any filtering media will influence the system pressure enough to make a difference.

[quote=Johnny-Law;3283982]
OK now we are getting somewhere.
If this filter could increase flow, which it cannot,and the trim solenoids wouldn't hydraulicly jam, which they would; the TCM would learn down the shift in a day or so. example; BullyDog trim valves.
You made my point when you said you had a solvent tank. I do not want toxic chemicals in my garage. You need gloves and a face mask and the fumes will travel into your house. Got kids, or a wife? Do you love them?
Your comment about filters doing their best just before they get plugged; try it on the Allison and you will be parked off the road in default mode.
You are digging a hole my friend that you can't get out of. You also never mention that o rings will need to be stocked and if you forgot to order them you will not service your filter; hence the red little spin on will go back on and your high priced fancy filter will sit on a shelf for a year or so and get tossed in the trash. I have suggested that people replace their spin on every 5K knowing that they will do it every 10K. If I suggested every 10K which is great except for competetive trucks, people would do it every 15 or 20K which IMHO is not exceptable.


If the filter could be cleaned in 5 min i could see it being more convienent and cheap then having to buy new ones all the time. Or like mike said every 5-10k and if it truly does bring down the temp thats another plus but i just don't have enough solid info to buy one of these. Although if a guy could get one for $63 just to see the difference maybe its worth it i donno.

I can't seem to justify the cost and time of the filter it will take more then 5 min. to clean it, you have to take it apart, clean, inspect, use compress air to remove the solent because you don't want that in your tranny, replace o-rings and the install it. VS. the spin on remove old install new one done.

Someone else mentioned it also... I had a reusable screen filter on my old YZ450F. It was messy and a pain to clean properly so I went back to the disposable paper cartridge after 2 oil changes with it. Getting all the clutch debris out of the fine mesh did require an air compressor and almost an entire can of carb cleaner.

mike knows whats hes talking about... i say no good

Mike L is the MAN !!! Like my dear ole Pappy used to say---- If you're goin to copy someone, make sure he's a WINNER !!!!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I thought this was a pretty good dialog with some good info but looks like Stevie jr just had to come in here and show his colors once again.
Have you won a sled pull yet with your high dollar ... parts with your personal ... tuner? Guess not since we haven't seen any videos. There will always be a next time and another next time and, well you get it.:D
Now if you would kindly STFU we can get back on topic. You still wonder why I edit your stupid posts? You are a sad discusted disruption that continualy ruins good posts.


You edited my posts? Where?:confused:

You edited my posts? Where?:confused:

Are you still here trying to disrupt a thread with your hate? Get a life. If you have tech to post here then post it. Nobody wants to hear your whining.

Johnny-Law
you are a good student and present some good tech on filters. I would imagine that you will graduate with honors because you are dedicated and diligent. Problem is, you don't know anything about transmissions or how they work especially the Allison.
I suggest you buy the Allison book on how they work and study oil diagrams as I do. You will then realize that the filter in question does not feed the clutches at all. if you have any electronic experience with relays, you can then relate that to how the Allison works. Example; low voltage controls higher voltage, same principle. read it and it will open your thinking.
I have nothing against this filter and it might be very good; just not in this instance. The company that makes these filters is not the first to do so. I have been around a long time and seen this stuff come and go.
remember people are downsizing, simplifying and trying to make more time for the pleasant things in life. Why would someone want to spend half a day cleaning their filter and making a mess while smelling like brake kleen? Chances are they will never be as clean as a new out of the box filter. Go buy the book from Allison. :D

I'll buy these super 300$ filter when my stash of 48 ali spin ons is done. :lol:

The Allison is used in an airplane???

Overpriced and messy. Why try to reinvent the wheel. Allison built the red spin-on for there trans for a reason. If they think it should have came in a S.S. housing it would have.

oh, and the more flow scheme....The spin on flows/filters just enough for the Allison to do its job correctly.

give it awhile, someone will be telling me they picked up time in the qtr. because of this product because of the shorter shift times :rolleyes:

trying to justify this filter is like trying to justify the purchase of a v-6 mustang vs. a v-8 :rolleyes: but theres "always" those guys...

I wouldn't spend my money on a $300 spin on filter, I would rather take that money and put it towards a by-pass filter if anything.

I would like to know what Air Force base tested the filter. I know we don't have them here at Malmstrom. And trying to get something like that approved would take an act of congress to get it approved.

Ill take mikes advice on this subject, and I think everyone else should too. ;)

ben

The biggest benefit is the increased filtration, but we also like the crisper shift. Dont get me wrong I would prefer to sell a trans kit but not everyone needs one. However we feel evryone can benefit from superior filtration and that is why we run them.

How old was the spin on you took off? you probbaly felt bettter shifting due to a new filter. I know my truck always shifts better when i replace my spin on.

Just take a sec and figure the math ...... even if you paid the $199 you would have to go over 200,000 miles before you saved a dime not even counting the carb cleaner . $10 x 20 = $200 , 20 x 10,000 miles = 200,000 miles

Johnny-Law
you are a good student and present some good tech on filters. I would imagine that you will graduate with honors because you are dedicated and diligent. Problem is, you don't know anything about transmissions or how they work especially the Allison.

Thanks for your kind words, but I do know a thing or two about autos, as I have built many. Before going to the big schools I worked in the dealerships and was and still am a Master Automobile, Master Engine Machinist and Heavy Duty Truck Technician. I always thought smog is where the money was at, but as you and I know, Autos are where it is at. I also have been receiving Transmission Digest since GM offered the Duramax/Allison Combo and know the system well, but in all honesty not to your level.

I suggest you buy the Allison book on how they work and study oil diagrams as I do. You will then realize that the filter in question does not feed the clutches at all.

I never stated it feed the clutch packs.

if you have any electronic experience with relays, you can then relate that to how the Allison works. Example; low voltage controls higher voltage, same principle. read it and it will open your thinking.

Relays are a wonderful thing, and like electricity if you have two resistors, (opposition to electrical flow) in a series circuit what happens to the voltage? Remember the old water in the pipe and flow analogy we learned in relation to voltage, amps and resistance when we were kids in auto shop. The resistances are added together to represent the total resistance and results in a voltage drop at each resistor corresponding to its resistance. Like wise if you have two sources of resistance (Spin on filter and the regulator valve) there is a reduction in flow and an increase of pressure proportionally to the resistance to the filter and dump valve. If you reduce the resistance of one resistor it also reduces the voltage drop. Like wise if you reduce the opposition to flow of the filter it increases the flow rate. The limiting factor of flow in the circuit then becomes the regulator, which can obviously take the increase in flow, but still dumps anything over 125 psi to the sump. Like wise, others have stated that, as their OEM filter becomes clogged and reaches its holding capacity their shifts become slower and less crisp. When they swap out their old filter for the new OEM their shifts speed increases as well as its crispness. It is unlikely multiple people who are arguing both sides are just experiencing the placebo effect.

I have nothing against this filter and it might be very good; just not in this instance. The company that makes these filters is not the first to do so. I have been around a long time and seen this stuff come and go.

That is good to know you do not have anything against the filter, but it seems as this is the point on which we disagree, which is fine. I do to realize many other companies make similar SS filters for NASA and the aviation industry, as paper is not used as a filtering element when people’s lives are at stake.

Purolator: http://www.purolator-facet.com/media.htm
Donaldson Filtration: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...da31ff3515c96c
Marine Uses: http://www.engineersedge.com/filtrat...el_filters.htm
http://tirupatifilter.com/filtering-media/


remember people are downsizing, simplifying and trying to make more time for the pleasant things in life. Why would someone want to spend half a day cleaning their filter and making a mess while smelling like brake kleen? Chances are they will never be as clean as a new out of the box filter. Go buy the book from Allison.


Again, it does not take 1/2 a day to clean and if you truly do not like the smell of carb or brake cleaner then use a cheep painter’s mask and go outside or under your welding hood. Like I said in the beginning, the filter is not for everyone! My goal in life was to always be in the top 1% of what ever I did, "I am sure your goal is similar by your success with your shop" and when turning wrenches I like to use the best tools, as I believe I should only ever have to purchase the same tool once! Like wise, I want the best for my vehicles and if I can only purchase it once then I will. For those that complain about the cost, remember many people use their truck for work and rack up 200,000 miles really fast. Also if you only use it for 100,000 and you sell your truck you can throw on a regular filter when you sell it and sell the Pure Power version on Ebay for 100 and make up the difference.

I've seen more meaningful threads closed in the past--recommend this one be closed, it's not going nowhere.

I've seen more meaningful threads closed in the past--recommend this one be closed, it's not going nowhere.

Why close it when the public needs to to know these filters are a waste?
i'll continue to buy my allison filters for $10.

Overpriced and messy. Why try to reinvent the wheel. Allison built the red spin-on for there trans for a reason. If they think it should have came in a S.S. housing it would have.



It is not reinventing the wheel just making it better. Allison can not use a SS filter, as Kelly from Pure Power has the US patent for it! Second Allison will make more money by selling disposable filters then a lifetime cleanable unit.

As stated before after reading the article in Diesel World magazine we were interested enough to buy a couple of the Pure Power filters and run them on our personal Dmax trucks. We find this to be the best way to test products and develope an opinion.
We believe Pure Power offers superior filtration and is proven, after running the filter we find there is a more responsive up shift and downshift.

http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo156/dmaxstore1/Allison%20Trans/020.jpg

http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo156/dmaxstore1/Allison%20Trans/018.jpg

Here is a freshly rebuilt Allsion 2000 on the Hydraulic test bench to answer questions about flow and pressure.

The Pure power does not increase pressure compared to a New Allison spin on filter.

The Pure Power does increase flow, when compared to a New Allsion spin on filter. The flow increase is not major compared to the new spin but is there and shows on the Dyno. This is probably why we have noticed a more responsive shift.

http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo156/dmaxstore1/Allison%20Trans/017.jpg

Why close it when the public needs to to know these filters are a waste?
i'll continue to buy my allison filters for $10.

They should be able to figure this out already. I agree with you buying the Allison filters is the intelligent way to go.

Years ago the "next big thing" was an disiposable oil filter that used a roll or toilet paper as its filter element--they were crap:D. Now we've got the best mouse trap money an buy in the form of a spin on filter for the Allison:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::eek::eek::ee k:.

Thanks for your kind words, but I do know a thing or two about autos, as I have built many. Before going to the big schools I worked in the dealerships and was and still am a Master Automobile, Master Engine Machinist and Heavy Duty Truck Technician. I always thought smog is where the money was at, but as you and I know, Autos are where it is at. I also have been receiving Transmission Digest since GM offered the Duramax/Allison Combo and know the system well, but in all honesty not to your level..

well that still doesnt mean you know anything about Allisons. They work completely differently from almost every other automatic trans out there; I have seen so many people come on this forum and puff out their chest and say they've built TH400's and TF727's to hold up behind 1000hp dragsters and know everything their is to know about automatics, but are completely clueless about Allisons...why are you trying to argue with Mike on this? You are digging yourself in a hole and now that you realize you are in over your head arguing with him, you are trying to back pedal out when its not even worth it.

Just my opinion.

ben

Here is a freshly rebuilt Allsion 1000 on the Hydraulic test bench to answer questions about flow and pressure.

The Pure power does not increase pressure compared to a New Allison spin on filter.

The Pure Power does increase flow, when compared to a New Allsion spin on filter. The flow increase is not major compared to the new spin but is there and shows on the Dyno. This is probably why we have noticed a more responsive shift.

http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo156/dmaxstore1/Allison%20Trans/017.jpg

um thats not an Allison 1000.

If you cant even identify the difference between a 1000 and 2000 why should we believe all your BS hooplah on this worthless piece of crap filter.

ben

um thats not an Allison 1000.

If you cant even identify the difference between a 1000 and 2000 why should we believe all your BS hooplah on this worthless piece of crap filter.

ben

How can you tell,thats not a 1000 series?

I agree,Mike knows more about the Alli,then GM trans guys,and even allison them selfs.

Here is a freshly rebuilt Allsion 1000 on the Hydraulic test bench to answer questions about flow and pressure.

The Pure power does not increase pressure compared to a New Allison spin on filter.

The Pure Power does increase flow, when compared to a New Allsion spin on filter. The flow increase is not major compared to the new spin but is there and shows on the Dyno. This is probably why we have noticed a more responsive shift.

http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo156/dmaxstore1/Allison%20Trans/017.jpg

You show a picture of an Allison 2000 on a dyno. Problem is your hydraulic hook ups as shown cannot read what's going through the spin on. You need an adapter to check pressure going in and pressure going out. I have one. Once again; you cannot get more pressure to the clutches through this filter circuit. Please get that through your head.
Now let's say you could for conversational purposes; do you know what that would do to the adapts? You could cause a tie up which would do some serious damage to the clutches and possibly to the gear train. But you don't need to worry about that cause this hyped up filter does nothing.
I also believe that this filter may void any trans warranty you have. Will your company step up to the plate and pay for damages if this happens? Be carefull with your claims as some of these high performance transmissions cost over $10,000.00.

How can you tell,thats not a 1000 series?

I agree,Mike knows more about the Alli,then GM trans guys,and even allison them selfs.

because it has an SAE bellhousing and an external parking brake on the output shaft (not all of the 2000-series allisons have park pawls, when you go to 'park' the truck, you put the trans in neutral and set the parking brake).

ben

You are correct I just got an email back from Jay @ the Allison service center who ran the test and he did run the test on the 2000 series transmission. However it does not change the results the of the test.

GPM flow is better with the Pure Power

Pressure is the same as spin on Allison

Plenty of pics of bling in this thread.

Post some pics of one of the filters being serviced, and the amount of time it takes to service please.

You are correct I just got an email back from Jay @ the Allison service center who ran the test and he did run the test on the 2000 series transmission. However it does not change the results the of the test.

GPM flow is better with the Pure Power

Pressure is the same as spin on Allison

Do you sleep at night pushing this stuff on people for profit? I have other words I would like to post here concerning you but don't want to get banned a third time. But maybe it just doesn't matter if this kind of shit is condoned here.

Do you sleep at night pushing this stuff on people for profit? I have other words I would like to post here concerning you but don't want to get banned a third time. But maybe it just doesn't matter if this kind of shit is condoned here.




Mike I am sure you are aware it is much more profitable to continuesly sell Allison spin on filters than 1 lifetime filter, however we do offer both.

because it has an SAE bellhousing and an external parking brake on the output shaft (not all of the 2000-series allisons have park pawls, when you go to 'park' the truck, you put the trans in neutral and set the parking brake).

ben

Dam,your good.I didmt see that P.brake on the tail shaft.

Do you sleep at night pushing this stuff on people for profit? I have other words I would like to post here concerning you but don't want to get banned a third time. But maybe it just doesn't matter if this kind of shit is condoned here.

You tell'em Mike.You have been banned,twice? WOW! I always thought you were easy..out going, kinda guy.

well that still doesnt mean you know anything about Allisons.

The Heavy Duty ASE truck test does ask quite a bit about the Allison's, as they are predominantly used on my trash trucks and buses. I would be a masters HD Tech, but I do not perform alignments on them do to space at my shop.

They work completely differently from almost every other automatic trans out there; I have seen so many people come on this forum and puff out their chest and say they've built TH400's and TF727's to hold up behind 1000hp dragsters and know everything their is to know about automatics, but are completely clueless about Allisons...why are you trying to argue with Mike on this?

I am not arguing with Mike we are simply having a discussion. He makes a statement and I either accept it or go about disproving it and vise verse.

Mike and I are also not discussing whether I can throw the pressure plate on a magnetic surface grinder and take off 0.250 and 0.025 out of the snapring in order to fit another plate. I am not discussing with Mike if I machine my own custom over-sized shafts about how much I need to drill the oil gallery hole over in order to not burn up the bearing. I am not talking about if I need to use silicone over the oil gallery where it contacts the case on a center-support shaft in a standard tranie. This is where Mike excels from what I have heard.

Mike and I are not talking about hard parts, but physics, Bernoulli's principle and fluid dynamics which is where my education helps. Everything I said in relation to fluid dynamics and the Pure Power filter is correct!

Mike asked how I could explain the firmer shifts, and I gave him a hypothesis which followed the standard flow/pressure fluid dynamics. He dismissed it and did not offer an alternative as to why the shifts feel more crisp with a new OEM filter or a Pure Power filter.

You are digging yourself in a hole and now that you realize you are in over your head arguing with him, you are trying to back pedal out when its not even worth it.

Do not take my humbleness as a sign of weakness, or back pedaling as I have supported my statements time and time again with relevant data from trusted sources and have only pushed forward.

I also believe that this filter may void any trans warranty you have. Will your company step up to the plate and pay for damages if this happens? Be carefull with your claims as some of these high performance transmissions cost over $10,000.00.

Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, 15 U.S.C. SS 2301-1312 (1982), and general principles of the Federal Trade Commission Act, a manufacturer must prove that any aftermarket part damaged the engine or transmission, before they can legally remove the warranty.

Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, 15 U.S.C. SS 2301-1312 (1982), and general principles of the Federal Trade Commission Act, a manufacturer must prove that any aftermarket part damaged the engine or transmission, before they can legally remove the warranty.

That realy dont mean anything,these days.

oh man not the magnusson garbage again .....


i have been following this somewhat and it is as just mentioned. A nice technical discussion.

However, a good point, or question, was brought up about the filter. When the firmer shifts were felt, with the PURE POWER filter, was the filter that was removed brand new?


Are there any printouts of flow numbers from the test?

Don't Fix What Isn't Broke!!

I wish discussions like this would remain between the two/three parties involved. I enjoy reading the technical and real world side to things.......without the bullying. This is interesting.

I purchased one of these. The first day it did exactly what it said. I would not have believed it. Cooler temps, firmer shifts. But...........a week later my trans is shifting strangely, and is running warmer in the city......on the freeway it is cooler. Granted I have yet to inspect it and have run aprox 600 or so miles with it. My convertor is noisy too.....especially when at a stop, in drive.

What could be wrong? Certainly its not clogged already?

I wish discussions like this would remain between the two/three parties involved. I enjoy reading the technical and real world side to things.......without the bullying. This is interesting.

I purchased one of these. The first day it did exactly what it said. I would not have believed it. Cooler temps, firmer shifts. But...........a week later my trans is shifting strangely, and is running warmer in the city......on the freeway it is cooler. Granted I have yet to inspect it and have run aprox 600 or so miles with it. My convertor is noisy too.....especially when at a stop, in drive.

What could be wrong? Certainly its not clogged already?


We have not run on aftermarket transmission just stock allison and not experienced the symptoms you are refering to. I would cetainly consider reinstalling OEM to see if it will remedy your symptoms.

We have not run on aftermarket transmission just stock allison and not experienced the symptoms you are refering to. I would cetainly consider reinstalling OEM to see if it will remedy your symptoms.

This is what I thought. So now Im stuck with a 200$ filter. Ouch.

You wanna trade it for an oil filter?

Mike I am sure you are aware it is much more profitable to continuesly sell Allison spin on filters than 1 lifetime filter, however we do offer both.

Um, your wrong again..

Mike said over on DD that he makes $1 off of the alli spin ons.
So if you do the math correct, your the one raping everyone on these "bling" filters...

I'm with Mike L. on this.

It's a damn shame when products/vendors come out touting gains that are BS. It's really about lining there pockets and nothing else imo.

I agree with Mike as well. Unfortunately I was sold on the idea......and it did work for a day.

This is a good filter and should get respect for the research and development alone. It just doesnt work with built Allisons.

This is what I thought. So now Im stuck with a 200$ filter. Ouch.

You wanna trade it for an oil filter?





Did you try switching back to OEM?

Um, your wrong again..

Mike said over on DD that he makes $1 off of the alli spin ons.
So if you do the math correct, your the one raping everyone on these "bling" filters...




Great post, What does someone make on a Pure Power?

I agree with Mike as well. Unfortunately I was sold on the idea......and it did work for a day.

This is a good filter and should get respect for the research and development alone. It just doesnt work with built Allisons.

What I would like to know.If it works on a stock alli,but not on a built one? Why does the Allison spin work with both..stock/built trans?????

What I would like to know.If it works on a stock alli,but not on a built one? Why does the Allison spin work with both..stock/built trans?????



Good question, if ScramHD reinstalls the OEM filter on his ATS transmission and it fixes the problem than it must be the filter. I would contact PurePower or whom he purchased the filter from so they are aware.

Great post, What does someone make on a Pure Power?

$176.99


$3.01 to make the filter.(cut up soda can filled with toilet paper or K&N filter)
$20 for shipping.

:lol:
:D:D

$176.99


$3.01 to make the filter.(cut up soda can filled with toilet paper or K&N filter)
$20 for shipping.

:lol:
:D:D


Once again great post, I actualy sell Pure Power and OEM ALlison filters so I can accurately tell you It is more profitable to sell customers multiple Allison filters. If profit was the goal of this thread than a WIX filter would be reccomended.:)

Once again great post, I actualy sell Pure Power and OEM ALlison filters so I can accurately tell you It is more profitable to sell customers multiple Allison filters. If profit was the goal of this thread than a WIX filter would be reccomended.:)
So why is it that I dont see wix filters on your site? lmao.

$1 for mike to make off the alli spins ons is going to a long time awhile to catch up to PP on what they make on 1 filter.

So why is it that I dont see wix filters on your site? lmao.

$1 for mike to make off the alli spins ons is going to a long time awhile to catch up to PP on what they make on 1 filter.

Great question, we are more concerned about Quality and Valuable products for Duramax owners. The Pure Power as well as the OEM Allison fall into these catagories.

Great question, we are more concerned about Quality and Valuable products for Duramax owners. The Pure Power as well as the OEM Allison fall into these catagories.

Are you trying to irritate me and be an ass or really post that it was a "great question"
most of this is common sence IMHO. ;)

It is not reinventing the wheel just making it better. Allison can not use a SS filter, as Kelly from Pure Power has the US patent for it! Second Allison will make more money by selling disposable filters then a lifetime cleanable unit.

You sir must be in the dark, Allison did not invent it because it was patented....are you serious? Go back to working on you toy car transmissions this is clearly not a discussion for you. Again not one person behind this product can justify the purchase in a real world situation/racing/daily driving....



99.9% of the people will continue to buy a Allison spin-on, this Billy Mayes garbage is for the people that have money to blow on bling and have no clue what they are purchasing.

Good luck with the sales, I'm sure by ripping people off with incomplete/inaccurate data makes you sleep better at night.

Are you trying to irritate me and be an ass or really post that it was a "great question"
most of this is common sence IMHO. ;)



Actually I was bieng serious, the reason we do not sell Wix and other products is because we feel they market and build for profit instead of quality.

You sir must be in the dark, Allison did not invent it because it was patented....are you serious? Go back to working on you toy car transmissions this is clearly not a discussion for you. Again not one person behind this product can justify the purchase in a real world situation/racing/daily driving....

LOL :). Here is the definition of patent as you seem confused, also I never used the word invent. Please read more carefully from now on, as it will save me some time correcting you:

a. A grant made by a government that confers upon the creator of an invention the sole right to make, use, and sell that invention for a set period of time.

Check out Google Patents as you can find the patent their.

So yes, buy law Allison can not legally make a cleanable spin on cartridge filter without paying Kelly some sort of royalty per unit if and only if he said they could. That is a fact! Also, Kelly is not a co-packer for anyone and does not licence his product to other companies as far as I know. Lets give an analogy based on your reasoning, "any cleanable high flow air filter is a waste of time and money, as if it was really good it would be OEM in the first place."

Don't get all mad because your statement was wrong and you got called on it. Again, look back a few pages to see which companies use it and who has tested, it before you make more false claims with no proof.


99.9% of the people will continue to buy a Allison spin-on, this Billy Mayes garbage is for the people that have money to blow on bling and have no clue what they are purchasing.

Good luck with the sales, I'm sure by ripping people off with incomplete/inaccurate data makes you sleep better at night.

I think this is like the 5th time I said it, but I do not work for the company nor am I a distributor. I have been posting filtering information and the like for a while now, just look through my old posts. I just joined in the discussion to state the facts, and nothing more as there was a lot of miss-information. There is no reason to get all mad because I know what I am talking about and back it up with references. Try and disprove my statements with facts and not, "just cause I said so."

LOL :). Here is the definition of patent as you seem confused, also I never used the word invent. Please read more carefully from now on, as it will save me some time correcting you:

a. A grant made by a government that confers upon the creator of an invention the sole right to make, use, and sell that invention for a set period of time.

Check out Google Patents as you can find the patent their.

So yes, buy law Allison can not legally make a cleanable spin on cartridge filter without paying Kelly some sort of royalty per unit if and only if he said they could. That is a fact! Also, Kelly is not a co-packer for anyone and does not licence his product to other companies as far as I know. Lets give an analogy based on your reasoning, "any cleanable air filter high flow air filter is a waste of time and money, as if it was really good it would be OEM in the first place."

Don't get all mad because your statement was wrong and you got called on it. Again, look back a few pages to see which companies use it and who has tested, it before you make more false claims with no proof.


99.9% of the people will continue to buy a Allison spin-on, this Billy Mayes garbage is for the people that have money to blow on bling and have no clue what they are purchasing.

Good luck with the sales, I'm sure by ripping people off with incomplete/inaccurate data makes you sleep better at night.

I think this is like the 5th time I said it, but I do not work for the company nor am I a distributor. I have been posting filtering information and the like for a while now, just look through my old posts. I just joined in the discussion to state the facts, and nothing more as there was a lot of miss-information. There is no reason to get all mad because I know what I am talking about and back it up with references. Try and disprove my statements with facts and not, "just cause I said so."

first off I know how a patent works. Thanks for your input, I didnt read it because I figure you'd prolly try to mis-inform me somehow.

the second part of my post was not directed to you.....

Again thanks for you knowledge, I'll stick to listening to the people that know what they are talking about for now on.

Actually I was bieng serious, the reason we do not sell Wix and other products is because we feel they market and build for profit instead of quality.


Ok then I take that back. My bad. :o:

first off I know how a patent works. Thanks for your input, I didnt read it because I figure you'd prolly try to mis-inform me somehow.

the second part of my post was not directed to you.....

Again thanks for you knowledge, I'll stick to listening to the people that know what they are talking about for now on.

Your welcome, thanks for being a Man about it and not going on and on!

$176.99


$3.01 to make the filter.(cut up soda can filled with toilet paper or K&N filter)
$20 for shipping.


:D:D

I like that how you make fun of toilet paper filters like the Frantz bypass unit, but the OEM model is more like a Frantz than the Pure Power, as it uses cellulose media. AKA .025-.030 thick paper.
:lol:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/cellulose

Do you happen to have the patent numbers? I looked on google patents and couldn't find anything. I also looked at Pure Power's website, and I could only find "pattent pending".

Originally Posted by dmaxstore
Great question, we are more concerned about Quality and Valuable products for Duramax owners. The Pure Power as well as the OEM Allison fall into these catagories.


My 2 cents, this pretty much sums up the original advertisement that Mike was disputing. $10 plain jane or $200-$400 shiny fins to get clogged with mud:(

Originally Posted by dmaxstore
Great question, we are more concerned about Quality and Valuable products for Duramax owners. The Pure Power as well as the OEM Allison fall into these catagories.


My 2 cents, this pretty much sums up the original advertisement that Mike was disputing. $10 plain jane or $200-$400 shiny fins to get clogged with mud:(

But it was an interesting debate!

Has anyone that has one of these filters serviced it yet? What were the results (how long did it take, how did you clean it, etc)?

I wish discussions like this would remain between the two/three parties involved. I enjoy reading the technical and real world side to things.......without the bullying. This is interesting.

I purchased one of these. The first day it did exactly what it said. I would not have believed it. Cooler temps, firmer shifts. But...........a week later my trans is shifting strangely, and is running warmer in the city......on the freeway it is cooler. Granted I have yet to inspect it and have run aprox 600 or so miles with it. My convertor is noisy too.....especially when at a stop, in drive.

What could be wrong? Certainly its not clogged already?

I don't know why they just dont give up. Everyone on here has voiced there opinon on why these filters won't work. There is more then enough evidence from enough trannie techs here to prove they are a waste of time and money. I was sceptical of them at first but after reading more i decided im gonna stay with my OEM Filter and not end up like this guy.

I've seen more meaningful threads closed in the past--recommend this one be closed, it's not going nowhere.

Are you moderators :rolleyes: ready NOW to close this one. If not it'll go on forever with nothing added but pissing and moaning.

Are you moderators :rolleyes: ready NOW to close this one. If not it'll go on forever with nothing added but pissing and moaning.

dont like it dont read simple solution

dont like it dont read simple solution

If you don't like his answer don't read it. I don't recall him asking you anything.

I wish discussions like this would remain between the two/three parties involved. I enjoy reading the technical and real world side to things.......without the bullying. This is interesting.

I purchased one of these. The first day it did exactly what it said. I would not have believed it. Cooler temps, firmer shifts. But...........a week later my trans is shifting strangely, and is running warmer in the city......on the freeway it is cooler. Granted I have yet to inspect it and have run aprox 600 or so miles with it. My convertor is noisy too.....especially when at a stop, in drive.

What could be wrong? Certainly its not clogged already?



Have you been able to switch the filter back to OEM to see if the problem is fixed? this would be an easy way to answer your question.
There are many posts about converters failing with aftermarket transmissions maybe the problem is something else. Regardless it would be good to know since you are the only one on this thread besides myself that has run one.

Nope. I havent. I reworked some tables in EFI Live. It is shifting better just runnig around.......at WOT it defuels nicely and smoothly. Also my fluid was low....which may explain the high temps. I have several trucks at the office but I use this one as my personal/service vehicle. Ill get on it in the next day or two and pull it/inspect it.

No the convertor is fine now. Ive blown two others out though. Not ATS. So far so good.

Have you been able to switch the filter back to OEM to see if the problem is fixed? this would be an easy way to answer your question.
There are many posts about converters failing with ATS transmissions maybe the problem is something else. Regardless it would be good to know since you are the only one on this thread besides myself that has run one.

Maybe you should start using lower case letters. I do not recommend that you start in on ATS and their products when you know nothing about Allisons. You can bet they saved this post for the future. I suggest you back off for your own good. There was no reason for this attack on ATS.

Nope. I havent. I reworked some tables in EFI Live. It is shifting better just runnig around.......at WOT it defuels nicely and smoothly. Also my fluid was low....which may explain the high temps. I have several trucks at the office but I use this one as my personal/service vehicle. Ill get on it in the next day or two and pull it/inspect it.

No the convertor is fine now. Ive blown two others out though. Not ATS. So far so good.



Thank you for the relevant input it is really appreciated please keep us posted, it seems the filter is not to blame.

Maybe you should start using lower case letters. I do not recommend that you start in on ATS and their products when you know nothing about Allisons. You can bet they saved this post for the future. I suggest you back off for your own good. There was no reason for this attack on ATS.


You are right and my appologies to ATS here is the thread I was refering to in the Allison aftermarket Forum

"Originally Posted by dansdieselp http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3282858#post3282858)
So I'm thinking that I might need a new converter. For the past couple weeks, my trans. has been getting hot and over heating. Found that the oil cooler was getting plugged with what looks like tan fibrous buggers. Blow the cooler out and it is fine for about a week, then starts getting hot again. Now when I start and drive it the truck feels like it's bouncing or converter is grabbing when slipping. Sounds like something broke inside the converter. Truck also shutters bad sometimes while brake torquing it. What is the warranty on those converters Mike? I got the 1056.
Give me a call. We'll want to do a couple of tests on the converter. It does sound like it is going at this point."

Thank you for the relevant input it is really appreciated please keep us posted, it seems the filter is not to blame.


Im a fair guy. If it dont work, I return it or sell it. Simple. I was sure hoping it would lower the temps, as the sales guy said.

I understand clearly what Mike L refers to about the operation and design purpose of the intended Allison spin on. He is THE Allison builder. Ive probably read all his replies.....and trust him. Funny thing is I never saw this thread until a day AFTER I installed my Pure Power. So.......sh*t happens.

Ive bought plenty other mods for this truck over the years that havent worked properly, havent increased mileage, etc......some are vendors here. I learn from my mistakes........what doesnt work on mine may work on someone elses. Who knows.

Do you happen to have the patent numbers? I looked on google patents and couldn't find anything. I also looked at Pure Power's website, and I could only find "pattent pending".

Here you go:

http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week34/OG/html/1333-3/US07413089-20080819.html

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7413089.PN.&OS=PN/7413089&RS=PN/7413089

I'll just wait until they make a canister that uses rolls of toilet paper like I saw in Popular Mechanics in the 60's.

Here you go:

http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week34/OG/html/1333-3/US07413089-20080819.html

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7413089.PN.&OS=PN/7413089&RS=PN/7413089Thanks

No way no how would I put one of these on my transmission. These manufacture claims are no different then Banks telling you that you will gain 50 feet pounds of torque with a Monster Exhaust system. It's poop

Stick to running the RED Allison filter and change at 5,000 mile intervals.

No way no how would I put one of these on my transmission. These manufacture claims are no different then Banks telling you that you will gain 50 feet pounds of torque with a Monster Exhaust system. It's poop

Stick to running the RED Allison filter and change at 5,000 mile intervals.

hey gramps good to see you are still alive! :D :p:

I'm reminded of a good quote from Tommy Boy!

Tommy: "The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? 'Building model airplanes', say's the little fairy. Well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up. I've seen it a hundred times."
Ted: "But why do they put a guarantee on the box, then?"
Tommy: "'Cause they know all the sold you was a guaranteed piece of crap. That's all it is isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, you might want to think about buying a quality product from me."

Hopefully this becomes a sticky right below the BD Valves. If the only test data we have is testimony from a customer of their's and testimony from a vendor selling it, I'll stick with the little $10 red ones. Who knows how bad their filter was when they replaced it and what difference a stock spin on would have made. That test was not done. Just compared a new filter to a dirty stock one it replaced. I trust Mike L and I also notice that no other Allison builder is in this thread disagreeing with him.:rolleyes:

I'm reminded of a good quote from Tommy Boy!

Tommy: "The point is, how do you know the fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? 'Building model airplanes', say's the little fairy. Well, we're not buying it. He sneaks into your house once, that's all it takes. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up. I've seen it a hundred times."
Ted: "But why do they put a guarantee on the box, then?"
Tommy: "'Cause they know all the sold you was a guaranteed piece of crap. That's all it is isn't it? Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time. But for now, for your customer's sake, for your daughter's sake, you might want to think about buying a quality product from me."

Hopefully this becomes a sticky right below the BD Valves. If the only test data we have is testimony from a customer of their's and testimony from a vendor selling it, I'll stick with the little $10 red ones. Who knows how bad their filter was when they replaced it and what difference a stock spin on would have made. That test was not done. Just compared a new filter to a dirty stock one it replaced. I trust Mike L and I also notice that no other Allison builder is in this thread disagreeing with him.:rolleyes:


:HiHi:

:lol: :funnypost:


You know someone will try to contact him about this.:eek::D

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this isn't the first time in the last week or two that we've been called in to call vendors off the attack on eachother.

it will be the last time we simply close the thread.