OK ...I just installed both these itmes.I put 50 miles on truck with NO light thats great.But I noticed my trany slipping more and motor and trany ran way hotter than normal...Trany reached 280 and motor reached 220...And my slip gauge on the edge was going nuts....almost allways slipped...I could feel the difference in the trany when it shifted..
Is this normal...I did unhook the batteries when I installed the stick....does the edge need to relrearn?
Thanks

O.K. Finger's here ya go!!!!!..........Rick

I have heard of one other person with similar things happening. I have no idea why it would cause that since they are totally unrelated to each other. Why would the tranny slip if the EGR is blocked? Hmmm

I dont know I am just looking for some help....Isnt the trany electronically controlled???????????????????????????????????????I am just looking for some info..If its happened to someone sles than there must be something going on..I am not hallucinating.......My EGT was even higher...so its either messin with my trany or my computer and my edge.....NO?????????????????????????????

maybe take off the edge and see if it still does it?

It didnt do it when the edge was on and the ses light was on or after I cleared the light...just after I installed the stick and the blocker............

I'd say if you unhooked your battery your ecm and tcm lost there memory and it might just take some driving to get back to normal. When I installed my block off I kinda noticed that too. It seems like the truck has a noticeable increase in power (? why) and my tranny was a little goofy. A few days later now and it seems fine again.

The old unhook the battery trick does not clear the ECM or TCM on our trucks.

After some thought.....

The stick has nothing directly to do with the tranny, period. However, it could tickle the ECM or Edge to do unwanted things. If you have been running a while with the light, this might be even more so.

I would suggest keeping the stick installed and removing the edge for a little bit. Drive around and let the ECM settle down and relearn without codes. Then hook up the EDGE again, stepping through the levels about one a day, giving the ECM some time to adjust.

OR, as always, you can return the stick to me for a refund.


Keep us posted.

Thanks fingers,
I did run around with a code for a couple of weeks i will unhook th edge for awhile.I was geussing the same thing...

I disconnected the edge and put 75+ miles on the truck..same route as before with problem.At first nothing seemed to change still ran hot.After 60 milesI noticed the trany ran cooler as well as the motor...Motor never went over 210 and trany stayed 200 or below.Ipuleed over and hooked the edge back up.Beat the crap out of it allseamed better.I do notice the engine temp gauge kinda twitches when i get on it hard and it imediatly jumps above 200 deg.Trany temps also climb but sayed within reason.(No load)
I also noticed the edge reads alot cooler engine temps than the stock gauge....I am wondering why.Edge reads 195.while gauge reads 210???
What does this slip gauge actually read on the edge?Anyone know?
Thanks

jstwkd,

What version E/J are you running? If it's 1.0 or 1.1 it may be the E/J. You might call them to see if others are posting the same issue.

As for engine temps, yours are in line with most others. Most tend to trust the attitude temps over OEM. JJ :)

JJ,
I am running the V1.2
I am going to put another 100+ miles on it tomarrow.I will keep you updated,Edge hooked up

Dumb question time. I keep hearing the term "fingersticks" What are they and what do they do??

The Finger Stick is a simple Circuit designed to modify the MAF signal to keep the ECM happy on the LLY engines. Free flowing exhausts can cause DTC codes within the ECM and on California and NE emmision equipped trucks turn on the SES light. Additionally, if the EGR is blocked, the Stick will also "correct" the signal from the MAF sensor to keep the ECM happy.

The installation is not for the faint of heart, but is a bargan for $25 compaired to other solutions on the market.

Version 1.2 is their latest/greatest.:rolleyes: I would call them and explain what is going on. They will likely tell you to take it out and reinstall/reset it so I would do that first. Drive it to see if the problem persist. If so, then call them from your cell phone while sitting in the truck. They walked me through some diagnostics on my first E/J module which fixed my problem. Ultimately it died though! :o: Good luck! JJ :)

Thanks for the info!!!

Well I drove it up and down the hill today.Over 100 miles no load.Edge on level three.Motor stayed cool.I didnt run it as hard as last time.But The trany did reach 250.I noticed that when I am accelerating up a hill hard or not.The trany slip gauge on the edge is allways showing slipage.I can feel the difference.Its does not slip ounce its in 5th gear.But the lower gears allways.even barley touching the throttle.It doesnt seem to slip much when on the flats.
I also noticed today.It falls on it face at around 70-75 miles an hr...No more forward motion......I may be hitting the Rev limiter...I dont know this thing is a pain..
I will try and figure out how to reset.I just had the batteries unhooked 200 + miles ago know.Thats what I was hoping started this whole thing.

Well that just plain ain't right. If removing the Stick stops this behavior, by all means, remove it. You can return the Stick for a full refund. From your description, it is a bad interaction with the Juice somehow. Youo were fine without the Juice.

Fingers, I installed my edge ez, blocker, and the finger stick 2 days ago. I ran a day with the thing running great. I stopped at the lumber yard for a late day BS session, and when I cranked her up and speed away it ran sluggish for 1/4 mi. It then corrected itself and ran great. I parked it for 20 minutes and then upon the second startup it threw a cel light and blew black smoke and would almost die at 2 mph. I removed everything and had to have a local mechanic remove the p1093 code which stated " high maf current". I wonder if I had a loose wire as I soldered only the yellow cut wire connections and scotch "wire tapped" the others.

What does this sound like, what are the voltage readings across the stick if I want to re-install, I want to check it 1st???

thks chucker
2005 LLY

P1093 is not a MAF error. It is common with big boxes and programs. Do a search on the Forum and you will see how many other people are getting them.

Fingers all I can say is that when the tech re-set my truck it what trying to gulp 458 gpm of air at 2 m.p.h. are others experiencing this ? chucker

Well that just plain ain't right. If removing the Stick stops this behavior, by all means, remove it. You can return the Stick for a full refund. From your description, it is a bad interaction with the Juice somehow. Youo were fine without the Juice. I am going to remove the plate first....The truck still ran strange with the egde unhookd just not as dramatic.......

Fingers,
Would you be up for sending me another one to test.I would like to install a second one and see if maybe the board on the first is just goofy.There has to be a reason for me being the only one this affects?

Fingers,
Would you be up for sending me another one to test.I would like to install a second one and see if maybe the board on the first is just goofy.There has to be a reason for me being the only one this affects?
Send me your old one and I wil send you a replacement. No charge, no questions.

So last night I fired the truck up about 70 deg. oustside.Everything seems ok.Put on about 30+ miles.Look at the edge screen and its locked up.Nothing reading.Edge still seams to be working but just no readings.I also notice that I do not and have not put on my seat belt.The alarm and light never went off.Normally the alarm buzzez at me every so many seconds.
Pulled over shut down truck and opened door to make sure power was off.Restarted truck all is fine.
Drove home up that same damn hill.Took it real easy because Mrs and son in truck with me.Engine temp stayed pretty normal.But trany reached 220 deg..Just crusing.25-35- mph up windy road for 7-8 miles.Slip gauge allways reading slippage?
Still at a loss with this.Going to pull the blocker plate this week.
keep you informed

Why does my juice/***. monitor show 177/180 deg after truck has been off for over 24hrs.Temp is actually bouncing between those numbers.The engine temp is also reading 78 deg.....Its 48 deg outside.Is this normal?

I have noticed my truck coolant boiling after I get home.About 45-50 mile trip lots of hills and lots of turns...No load.

Doesnt matter if I am driving hard or easy..still here the coolant bubbling.I can actually feel it in the upper whose.Temp on the juice reads 194.Temp on the dash reading maybe 210....Who is correct?

Thanks

The "boiling" noise is the turbo spinning down.

Unless the turbo is pushing air thru the cooling system. I feel the upper whose from the radiator mving from the coolant boiling...I do hear the turbo spinning down.But two different sounds...I am running way hotter than I am reading.
Thanks

If you engine is boiling, there is a problem. Give the engine a quick blip of the throttle just before you shut it down. It the boiling noise louder? That would be the turbo spin down. If sitting for about 30 seconds before shutting down stops the noise, it is boiling.

I removed the egde.last night I was driving home and truck fel on itys face twice within 45 miles..then came back to life no codes.
after unhooking the edge I set a po102 code.................?

There are several things to consider here:
1. Your attitude will show slippage in all gears except 5th gear when not in tow/haul
the convertor will not lock until 5th. in tow/haul the convertor will lock in 2-5th.
2. Slippage causes heat, and your tranny temps will show this. more power more slip.
3. The egr is water cooled and you will hear gurgling when you shut it off.
4. the attitude takes the signal from the temp sending unit the same as the oem,
would trust attitude over oem.
5. EGR plate just keeps exhaust gas from the intake. period. Some of us like to keep
our intake valves carbon and soot free.
6. Fingerstick installed correctly just tells pcm air flow is normal, when it really has
increased beyond set paramaters.
If the truck is running that hot, your fan clutch would be on constantly.
If you are flogging the truck with edge on high and not tow haul, You will fry the tranny fluid and the clutches and the convertor.
Fingers is correct in saying the stick and plate have nothing to do with heat in the engine or slippage in the tranny.

I am not saying the stick is the problem.
I run in power level three....
I feel the upper whose gurgling. After 1 min, 30 seconds
The upper whose ( checked with an infrared temp gun) was at 222 deg...After truck was shut down for 1 min 30 sec.....
Even with edge unhooked trany temp reached 230.
With the edge on level 3,kitty installed truck never got over 200 on motor or 180 on trans...No lights '
Removed kat..EGT went down for a day or two...then light every 45 miles/egr code
Installed finger and plate truck started heating up.
Yes I understand how a clutch works and heat...
I may have something hooked up wrong..I dont know I AM ASKING FOR HELP...I know something is wrong..but what....Going to remove the stick and plate/Install the kat and egde and do some more testing....
My clutch fan is on ALOT...
I had a 2002 8.1/allison Same exact chassis....temps never moved trany or motor....unless under a load...trany would get slightly hotter.This thing has been nothing but headaches since the day I bought it...I personally cant stand this trany.....I didnt like it in the last truck...and I dont like it now...waste of time...I need something that works...SIMPLY!
Eloctronics are very touchy...Anything can be happening...How do I tell if the stick is good?

I think there is something more basic wrong here. Remove the stick and return it to me. I will refund your money or replace it. Your choice.

With the stick removed, it might be dealer time.

I am geussing dealer time as well.....I am not looking for a refund...Maybe a way to test the stick...You have offered a refund more than ounce and I aprecciate the offer...But am more interested in help...
I think I am lossing the trany...
The engine temp is confusing..The edge never reads over 195
The stock gauge hasnt been over 210 in days...Yet the upper whose is shaking from bioling coolant.And I measured it at 222 at the upper whose.Its great that the EGR is water cooled.But whats that got to do with the upper whose shaking.....and the bioling noise?

There is a chance you have a bad stick. I will exchange it.

Testing the Stick is a little involved.

If you have the EGR plate in, the water jacket shouldn't be getting very hot from the exhaust. Othewise, it heat the water up even more than the engine temp on its own from the exhaust.

I would be very intersted in how this all turns out.

Ya! me too...I will let you now when I am sending it to ya...Thanks Fingers

I have been chasing a over heating problem on my 05 Duramax/Allison. What I have noticed is My trny does not lock up in any gear unless I am in tow/hual mode.Is this normal.I do have the edge and exhaust and intake.I broke it in as to edge recomandation.I have another thread somewhere about some of this...

Just my two cents worth but kinda sounds like a head gasket to me. any thoughts?

What all is involved in installing the stick? I noticed Fingers stated "it's not for the faint of heart."

Ordering and installation info is here. (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21428)

Was just wondering where i could get a blocker plate.I have the fingerstick already...:help:

Lesson #1 do a search

ahhh screw it here you go. Welcome

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24719

Thanks alot. New to this forum starting to find my way around.

ok i have a question about the check engine light due to cat removal is this something we can fix with soft ware or not

ok i have a question about the check engine light due to cat removal is this something we can fix with soft ware or not

It can be, but no one is doing it at this time.

ok i have a question about the check engine light due to cat removal is this something we can fix with soft ware or not

It is interesting that my 04.5 coded with a straight pipe, and my 05 doesn't. There is a slight change GM altered the code to make it go away.

I am geussing dealer time as well.....I am not looking for a refund...Maybe a way to test the stick...You have offered a refund more than ounce and I aprecciate the offer...But am more interested in help...
I think I am lossing the trany...
The engine temp is confusing..The edge never reads over 195
The stock gauge hasnt been over 210 in days...Yet the upper whose is shaking from bioling coolant.And I measured it at 222 at the upper whose.Its great that the EGR is water cooled.But whats that got to do with the upper whose shaking.....and the bioling noise?

Did you ever find out what was going on? It is like a soap show for me i feel for you and your truck let me know.

My 05 doesn't throw a code for no cat. I lost mine and it didn't throw any code and still hasn't. Someone on this site told me that the paramerters in the ECM were loosened up on the 05's from the 04.5's so they don't show that stuff. He even said that he blocked the egr and still didn't throw a light. He blocked it where the EGR and the intake went together. No codes. I have not done that, but I want to soon.

FINGERS
what is a egr blockoff and a finger stick please educate me

FINGERS
what is a egr blockoff and a finger stick please educate me




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