prbrown
04-04-2009, 03:52 PM
I went through the checklist - hopefully the results will help somebody point me in the right direction.
0. Describe in detail the problem you are having. Please be as descriptive as possible.
96 Chevy 1500 truck, 350k miles. Bought truck at 323k miles and it has used about a quart of oil every 3-5 thousand miles since I bought it but it has started and driven normally. About 3 weeks ago it got hard to start. I figured out that I could let the glow plugs cycle 2 or 3 times by turning the ignition off for 15 seconds between cycles and get it to start normally, albeit with a small but noticable amount of white smoke from the pipe. About a week ago it started stalling while driving down the road, always well after being warmed up (15+ miles down the road). The first time it did this was when I came to a stop sign; I was able to get it to start again by double-cycling the glow plugs. About 10 minutes later it died 4 or 5 times while driving about 50 MPH; sometimes it fired back up on its own, others I was able to start by shifting to neutral and cranking it while still rolling.
It seems to be getting progressively harder to start and stalling at freeway speeds more frequently and getting harder to start when it does die at speed. I changed both fuel filters a few days ago (the previous owner installed a second canister filter next to the brake fluid reservoir); the factory location filter had about 25k miles on it, the aftermarket filter had about 5k miles on it. Certainly noteworthy is the condition of the secondary fuel filter - it was covered with some sort of rust-looking sediment. I've attached some pictures.
1. Does the engine crank, or 'turn over'?
Yes, it cranks normally.
1a. Does the engine start and run?
Yes, but only with several glow plug cycles, and even then it requires several seconds of cranking. This is more pronounced in the morning at 50 deg F than the afternoon at 70.
1a1. If the engine does not start - Crack injector line: do you have fuel? Yes/No
1b. Do you have a Wait To Start Light & the amount of time (seconds) lit.
Yes, about 4 seconds on cold start.
1c. Ambient Condition (temperature outside indicate F or C) _____ °
Usually about 50 deg F in the morning.
1d. Engine Cranking speed (if you have an accurate tachometer).
Dash tach doesn't read while cranking
1e. Are you experiencing stalling?
Yes.
1f. If Stalling, describe (upon startup only, down the road, hit a bump etc)
Always 10+ miles down the road. Doesn't seem to be affected by bumps, corners or stopping.
1g. If Stalling, do you notice loss of dash or instruments?
-note if experiencing stalling,you must indicate PMD location in #24.
I haven't paid attention. Will note next time it stalls.
1h. Check turbo inlet and air filter for obstructions. Cone filters have lost disk and stopped air to turbo.
Appears clear.
1i. In a no-hot start, pour a bottle of room-temp water on the injection pump. Does it start now? yes/no
1.1 Lift pump test - describe results
Opened T-valve, steady fuel (not spurting or anything) came out, but not full volume of the hose or very high pressure. Closed T-valve and opened bleeder valve on fuel filter, got steady fuel there.
2. Service Engine Light while running?- on/off/intermittent
Off.
2a. Service Engine light does glow during start/cranking/bulb check: Yes/No
No.
3. Model year
1996
3a. Odometer reading (indicate if in miles or km)
350,000 miles
3b. Miles on major engine components if been replaced (example Injection pump)
Unknown. Truck previously driven by sewing machine salesman and seems to have been well maintained, but I have no documentation.
3c. Indicate the model number on the Injection pump (starts DS4 or DB2......)
I looked for this, but not sure where to find it.
4. Have you scanned for engine codes? (varies by pre/post 96) yes/no
It doesn't want to start now, but the next time it starts for me, I'll take it by the parts store to get the codes read.
5. List exact results on engine codes:
6. Air Filter condition (visual check)
Clean. Changed maybe 10k miles ago
7. Fuel filter condition (freshly changed/condition unknown/mileage since changed)
Two filters. Factory location filter just changed when problems started. Previously changed when I bought the truck (27k miles ago). Aftermarket filter also just changed, previously changed at 345k due to leaking water bleed valve.
8. Condition of Battery terminal connections (removed, cleaned and tightened)
Look good, didn't remove since cranking isn't a problem. Should I do this?
8a. Known condition and age of the batteries.
Both new in Sep 2007
8b. Are batteries of differing age or are they a matched set?
Matched set.
8c. Condition of Major Grounds. (same drill as batt - removed, cleaned, retightened)
Is there a diagram available showing where these are?
9. Upon cold start, does the radiator hose get hard quickly? Yes/no
No, it doesn't get hard at all.
10. Upon cold start, do you have excessive white smoke? Yes/no
Not nearly enough to obscure the neighbors house. Small but noticeable amount, I'd say.
11. Do you have excessive cranking time before the engine starts?
Increasingly, yes. When problem first started, not so much.
12. Have you used the block heater, and does this effect engine starting?(only try for starting problems)
I haven't tried this, but can if it might help diagnose. Is 45-50 degrees F overnight cold enough for the block heater to make any difference?
13. During hard acceleration, do you have excessive black smoke? Yes/no
Yes, but this has been the case since I bought the truck.
14. Do you have any unusual exhaust smoke issues?
Aside from heavy black smoke during hard acceleration and steep hill climbs, no. And these are problems before the hard starting/stalling.
15. Turbo check out - pass/fail
Vacuum to the WG solenoid, none out of it.
16. Do you have an EGR on the engine? (An F or an S engine code 8th VIN digit)
S VIN
17. Indicate if you know if it’s a 1500, 2500, 2500HD, 3500, 3500HD.
1500
18. Indicate fuel that you are using: Bio-diesel, #2 Diesel, #1Diesel, SVO/WVO, other
I generally use commercially purchased biodiesel blend, I think the pump says 5-20% or something like that. I do sometimes use regular diesel from other stations though.
18a. If running a VO (Veggie Oil fuel) setup, indicate details of your conversion (homemade, or packaged system)
19. Are you using any fuel additives? If so, please list.
No.
20. Please indicate geographic region you are in: (example: Texas or Canada)
Central Alabama. Previous owner was southern Alabama but was traveling salesman so drove who-knows-where.
21. Do you have any service history available that might pertain to the problem you are having?
No.
22. Please indicate any modifications to the vehicle that might help us diagnose better.
Secondary fuel filter (screw-on, oil filter looking thing) added by previous owner. I removed the decorative engine cover the first time I changed the fuel filter and never put it back. Other than that, none that I know of.
23. Upon unscrewing the fuel cap, do you have a large vacuum formed in the tank? yes/no
No.
24. Location of PMD/FSD? On the pump/remoted over intake/remoted out of engine bay (please specify placement specifically)
Factory location.
24a. If remote mounted, describe wiring harness (homemade or purchased from a vendor?)
24b. Indicate the location and condition of the FSD/IP grounding wire.
Factory location, I assume. Not sure where that is to check condition.
25. Are ALL glow plugs in proper working order as per this thread?
The four on the driver's side check out OK with Ohmmeter. I found what appears to be the wires going to the passenger side plugs - how the heck do I get to those things though without pulling the turbo?
0. Describe in detail the problem you are having. Please be as descriptive as possible.
96 Chevy 1500 truck, 350k miles. Bought truck at 323k miles and it has used about a quart of oil every 3-5 thousand miles since I bought it but it has started and driven normally. About 3 weeks ago it got hard to start. I figured out that I could let the glow plugs cycle 2 or 3 times by turning the ignition off for 15 seconds between cycles and get it to start normally, albeit with a small but noticable amount of white smoke from the pipe. About a week ago it started stalling while driving down the road, always well after being warmed up (15+ miles down the road). The first time it did this was when I came to a stop sign; I was able to get it to start again by double-cycling the glow plugs. About 10 minutes later it died 4 or 5 times while driving about 50 MPH; sometimes it fired back up on its own, others I was able to start by shifting to neutral and cranking it while still rolling.
It seems to be getting progressively harder to start and stalling at freeway speeds more frequently and getting harder to start when it does die at speed. I changed both fuel filters a few days ago (the previous owner installed a second canister filter next to the brake fluid reservoir); the factory location filter had about 25k miles on it, the aftermarket filter had about 5k miles on it. Certainly noteworthy is the condition of the secondary fuel filter - it was covered with some sort of rust-looking sediment. I've attached some pictures.
1. Does the engine crank, or 'turn over'?
Yes, it cranks normally.
1a. Does the engine start and run?
Yes, but only with several glow plug cycles, and even then it requires several seconds of cranking. This is more pronounced in the morning at 50 deg F than the afternoon at 70.
1a1. If the engine does not start - Crack injector line: do you have fuel? Yes/No
1b. Do you have a Wait To Start Light & the amount of time (seconds) lit.
Yes, about 4 seconds on cold start.
1c. Ambient Condition (temperature outside indicate F or C) _____ °
Usually about 50 deg F in the morning.
1d. Engine Cranking speed (if you have an accurate tachometer).
Dash tach doesn't read while cranking
1e. Are you experiencing stalling?
Yes.
1f. If Stalling, describe (upon startup only, down the road, hit a bump etc)
Always 10+ miles down the road. Doesn't seem to be affected by bumps, corners or stopping.
1g. If Stalling, do you notice loss of dash or instruments?
-note if experiencing stalling,you must indicate PMD location in #24.
I haven't paid attention. Will note next time it stalls.
1h. Check turbo inlet and air filter for obstructions. Cone filters have lost disk and stopped air to turbo.
Appears clear.
1i. In a no-hot start, pour a bottle of room-temp water on the injection pump. Does it start now? yes/no
1.1 Lift pump test - describe results
Opened T-valve, steady fuel (not spurting or anything) came out, but not full volume of the hose or very high pressure. Closed T-valve and opened bleeder valve on fuel filter, got steady fuel there.
2. Service Engine Light while running?- on/off/intermittent
Off.
2a. Service Engine light does glow during start/cranking/bulb check: Yes/No
No.
3. Model year
1996
3a. Odometer reading (indicate if in miles or km)
350,000 miles
3b. Miles on major engine components if been replaced (example Injection pump)
Unknown. Truck previously driven by sewing machine salesman and seems to have been well maintained, but I have no documentation.
3c. Indicate the model number on the Injection pump (starts DS4 or DB2......)
I looked for this, but not sure where to find it.
4. Have you scanned for engine codes? (varies by pre/post 96) yes/no
It doesn't want to start now, but the next time it starts for me, I'll take it by the parts store to get the codes read.
5. List exact results on engine codes:
6. Air Filter condition (visual check)
Clean. Changed maybe 10k miles ago
7. Fuel filter condition (freshly changed/condition unknown/mileage since changed)
Two filters. Factory location filter just changed when problems started. Previously changed when I bought the truck (27k miles ago). Aftermarket filter also just changed, previously changed at 345k due to leaking water bleed valve.
8. Condition of Battery terminal connections (removed, cleaned and tightened)
Look good, didn't remove since cranking isn't a problem. Should I do this?
8a. Known condition and age of the batteries.
Both new in Sep 2007
8b. Are batteries of differing age or are they a matched set?
Matched set.
8c. Condition of Major Grounds. (same drill as batt - removed, cleaned, retightened)
Is there a diagram available showing where these are?
9. Upon cold start, does the radiator hose get hard quickly? Yes/no
No, it doesn't get hard at all.
10. Upon cold start, do you have excessive white smoke? Yes/no
Not nearly enough to obscure the neighbors house. Small but noticeable amount, I'd say.
11. Do you have excessive cranking time before the engine starts?
Increasingly, yes. When problem first started, not so much.
12. Have you used the block heater, and does this effect engine starting?(only try for starting problems)
I haven't tried this, but can if it might help diagnose. Is 45-50 degrees F overnight cold enough for the block heater to make any difference?
13. During hard acceleration, do you have excessive black smoke? Yes/no
Yes, but this has been the case since I bought the truck.
14. Do you have any unusual exhaust smoke issues?
Aside from heavy black smoke during hard acceleration and steep hill climbs, no. And these are problems before the hard starting/stalling.
15. Turbo check out - pass/fail
Vacuum to the WG solenoid, none out of it.
16. Do you have an EGR on the engine? (An F or an S engine code 8th VIN digit)
S VIN
17. Indicate if you know if it’s a 1500, 2500, 2500HD, 3500, 3500HD.
1500
18. Indicate fuel that you are using: Bio-diesel, #2 Diesel, #1Diesel, SVO/WVO, other
I generally use commercially purchased biodiesel blend, I think the pump says 5-20% or something like that. I do sometimes use regular diesel from other stations though.
18a. If running a VO (Veggie Oil fuel) setup, indicate details of your conversion (homemade, or packaged system)
19. Are you using any fuel additives? If so, please list.
No.
20. Please indicate geographic region you are in: (example: Texas or Canada)
Central Alabama. Previous owner was southern Alabama but was traveling salesman so drove who-knows-where.
21. Do you have any service history available that might pertain to the problem you are having?
No.
22. Please indicate any modifications to the vehicle that might help us diagnose better.
Secondary fuel filter (screw-on, oil filter looking thing) added by previous owner. I removed the decorative engine cover the first time I changed the fuel filter and never put it back. Other than that, none that I know of.
23. Upon unscrewing the fuel cap, do you have a large vacuum formed in the tank? yes/no
No.
24. Location of PMD/FSD? On the pump/remoted over intake/remoted out of engine bay (please specify placement specifically)
Factory location.
24a. If remote mounted, describe wiring harness (homemade or purchased from a vendor?)
24b. Indicate the location and condition of the FSD/IP grounding wire.
Factory location, I assume. Not sure where that is to check condition.
25. Are ALL glow plugs in proper working order as per this thread?
The four on the driver's side check out OK with Ohmmeter. I found what appears to be the wires going to the passenger side plugs - how the heck do I get to those things though without pulling the turbo?