I am pretty much sold on the TTS but the PPE is claiming more hp at the rear wheels. I was wondering if anyone had any dyno comparisons and driveability issues on these two. I understand that the extreme is very streetable. Any info on this would be great. Like i said previously i am sold already on the TTS but did not know if by chance this excelerater is better.

ppe's claims are at the flywheel, dont be fooled. with the tts you can change settings on the fly. i wish i had one.

Noreaster,

I believe dmax01 is talking about our new release (last week) that is as much if not more powerful than the above mentioned, (LB7 and LLY both) and it can be removed from the PCM in 30 seconds.........

& whats the new release programmer


& also 30 seconds to change tunes vs. flipping a switch i think anybody would go with the switch, 30 seconds might be fine for a dyno queen.

Why dont you settle it the old fashion way. Race one on one. You cant determine anything online, try the track.

Sounds like a great idea.......

why dont u guys race another dmax & put that on the site, all ive seen is cars that any modded dmax will beat. or maybe u have & havent posted a losing race. still no proof that its the fastest dmax.

On the LLY front, the PPE tune is the most powerful single tune I've tested so far. By a lot. Good area under the curve.

Still have some more testing. Next, Truck Pulls this weekend.

Noreaster,

I believe dmax01 is talking about our new release (last week) that is as much if not more powerful than the above mentioned, (LB7 and LLY both) and it can be removed from the PCM in 30 seconds.........
Cool if it REALLY performs as claimed it sounds great. I guess I'll have to try one. My last attempt at updating mine was less than successful...

I got my hot xcelerator last week, how do I know if it's the latest version?

ver4.2 is the most recent, anyone with older hot versions can send back for free reflash.......

Why dont you settle it the old fashion way. Race one on one. You cant determine anything online, try the track.I'm so inclined to agree with KEG because all of this needs to be settled at the track on May &th, 2005. Put up or shut up! The fastest tune out there right now is what MCRAT stated PPE's! If TTS has something better, we would all like for
them to show us non-believers & believers at the track once and for all. Stop this talk, let us patrons see the real action, on the track, in front of our eyes, so that we can judge for ourselves. I'm out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

OH CRAP YOU MEAN YOU DONT HAVE TO WAIT ??? DAYS TO GET IT AND YOU CAN CHANGE BACK TO STOCK TUNE IN MINUTES. AINT WHAT I WANT I WANNA HAVE TO WAIT;) XCELERATOR HAVE YOU GUYS TRIED STACKING IT WITH THE HOT JUICE YET???? CANNT WAINT TO GET MY HANDS ON IT:ro)

On the LLY front, the PPE tune is the most powerful single tune I've tested so far. By a lot. Good area under the curve.

Still have some more testing. Next, Truck Pulls this weekend.It might be the most powerful you have tested but it by no means is the most Powerful Single tune for a LLY. It seems you still ran slower than we did at LACR at the last DHRA event with both trucks being very much the same. We have not released the big tune for the LLY as there many other problems with the trucks that need to be addressed and McRat knows it. Hows the day in and day out drivable, hows the P1093 codes going? Like I said it's easy to make power but much harder to make it so that it's a daily driver with no codes! When the issues are sorted out properly we will release the bigger tunes but not until that time.

Why dont you settle it the old fashion way. Race one on one. You cant determine anything online, try the track.
Both trucks were run at the same track on the same day, both crew cab 4x4. The truck we tested had a short box with a bed cover(fiberglass type) and McRat's is a long bed but was running less tailgate and spare tire. When we (Pat and I) talked at the track we agreed that both trucks were pretty much the same. We ran about .2 sec.quicker than he did.

I'm so inclined to agree with KEG because all of this needs to be settled at the track on May &th, 2005. Put up or shut up! The fastest tune out there right now is what MCRAT stated PPE's! If TTS has something better, we would all like for
them to show us non-believers & believers at the track once and for all. Stop this talk, let us patrons see the real action, on the track, in front of our eyes, so that we can judge for ourselves. I'm out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

For the LLY, out of the tunes I've tested, the PPE is the quickest on my truck. And it stacks well. To the best of my knowledge, it's currently available on request. There was an experimental TTS LLY tune at the last event that could be more powerful, but I didn't get to test it.

As far as the LB7? To date, I've yet to see anything that can reliably surpass the TTS Extreme. This is based on track and dyno results. It's a tough act to follow for sure. Will the latest PPE LB7 tune be a challenger? That remains to be seen.

Both trucks were run at the same track on the same day, both crew cab 4x4. The truck we tested had a short box with a bed cover(fiberglass type) and McRat's is a long bed but was running less tailgate and spare tire. When we (Pat and I) talked at the track we agreed that both trucks were pretty much the same. We ran about .2 sec.quicker than he did.
What were the ET and MPH results from each truck? If they were posted after the race I don't remember seeing them. Just curious to see where the LLY on #2 only is currently.

Also, given we are having other issues, how did the two trucks run with these "high hp" tunes? Just trying to understand where we're at currently.

As far as driveability issues on the new hot xcellerator program I can personally say that it has the best driveability characteristics a person could ask for. I have been running the newest hot xcellerator for about a week now. So far it has been great! It is a real smooth power deliver that comes on strong, but isn't touchy driving around town.

Also another thing I have noticed is how smooth, quiet, and cool the engine runs. I had the old regular xcellerator installed, and this new hot program definately runs way smoother and quiet. Doesn't have the rattle it previously did. Also the egt's are lower cruising down the highway, or at wot.

As far as how much actual power it produces i can't really say. I went to the local dyno days this weekend, but because of a really bad luck and a bad batch of fuel my filter looked like it had sludge in it. Needless to say my dyno was less then desireable. After I put the new filter in it definately runs really strong.

If you guys want to start a collect for me to go and dyno my truck again I would be more then happy to. Or if anyone in colorado wants to compare their tts extreme to my hot xcellerator I would also be curious to see what the out come would be.

It might be the most powerful you have tested but it by no means is the most Powerful Single tune for a LLY. It seems you still ran slower than we did at LACR at the last DHRA event with both trucks being very much the same. We have not released the big tune for the LLY as there many other problems with the trucks that need to be addressed and McRat knows it. Hows the day in and day out drivable, hows the P1093 codes going? Like I said it's easy to make power but much harder to make it so that it's a daily driver with no codes! When the issues are sorted out properly we will release the bigger tunes but not until that time.


Both trucks were run at the same track on the same day, both crew cab 4x4. The truck we tested had a short box with a bed cover(fiberglass type) and McRat's is a long bed but was running less tailgate and spare tire. When we (Pat and I) talked at the track we agreed that both trucks were pretty much the same. We ran about .2 sec.quicker than he did.

We nutjobs do not want a daily driver tune. We want POWER!!! :D

I ran 14.04@94 friday.

I would love to test a TTS tune back to back on a Wednesday night. You know I can run consistent, and pull no punches. Alternate passes.

The 1093's are a non-issue dragracing. It's a daily driving problem.

Sounds like a great idea.......
There it is...a challenge....lets see if we can't :grd: Would love too see the results!

LB7????

Did someone say there is a new tune out for the LB7? More powerful than an Xtreme?

"I'll be your huckleberry" . :D

Guess I'll call PPE in the morning.

"why, johnny ringgo...looks like someone just walked over your grave"

i love that movie

LB7????

Did someone say there is a new tune out for the LB7? More powerful than an Xtreme?

"I'll be your huckleberry" . :D

Guess I'll call PPE in the morning.
OH OH. :eek: ):h Now you've gone and done it Ollie, haven't you.

"why, johnny ringgo...looks like someone just walked over your grave"

i love that movie
Me too! Great movie!:ro)

So how many people in this post are afiliated with PPE or a "friend that lives close and stops by from time to time" ;) ):h ???

Yeah, I was wondering that too, because there are a lot of post from people that are pretty new to this forum. But my experience with the new ppe programer is unbiased. I live in colorado and am in no way affiliated with PPE.

People wanted to know how it ran, so I shared what I have experienced in the last week of running the programmer, since I am the first customer to actually have the new program. I just got lucky and had my programmer in at PPE to be reflashed at the right time. So they sent me their new program telling me it would be the best and most powerful on the market. Of corse I was okay with being the first person to test it out.):h

So how many people in this post are afiliated with PPE or a "friend that lives close and stops by from time to time" ;) ):h ???

I'm affiliated with PPE.


And Edge.

And Van Aaken.

And Predator.

And TTS.

And that's just what's in the cab of my truck today. :eek:

Perhaps I've gone a little overboard with the tuners...

But.

There MUST be a "magic combo" that if installed in the perfect order, right versions, on the right day, that will suddenly bring the LLY up to the LB7 spec. Kinda like digital alchemy. Turning lead into gold by a secret recipe.

Wasnt aimed at either of you 2 guys ;)

I must say though......if it does prove to be stronger then up the bar goes:cool:

ratlover,
I am quite certain that it is only a coincidence that two new forum members happened onto this thread and both decided to post for the first time, are you trying to suggest some sort of collusion????

Its purley coincidental that I happend to ask if anyone was affiliated with PPE in anyway after a few guys coincidenatly popped in here on thier first couple posts http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif A massive conspi......errrr......coincidence. I'm not trying to imply anything http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif

I actually like manufactures and such on here, its great! I dont like someone posing as a "regular joe" when they have an agenda though. If they are affiliated I:welcome2: them, if not I still :welcome2: them, if they arnt affiliated in anyway I appologize for making the reference. It seems a bit coincidental but maybe thats all it is. No flames intended:)

Regardless:welcome2:new guys. And also I hope we get to see some true objective numbers and comparisons. I know just the Guy to :grd: ;) ):h

do we have 181, how about 182?

Wonder how they approached thier R&D???

Guy is welcome to the use of my LLY, I do think however that the dyno count should apply to both of us. He has shown to be totally objective and would be an excellent choice IMO.

He was going to contact PPe this morning anyway.

Wonder how they approached thier R&D???

When I stopped by to pick up the LLY tuner, they had their LB7 pickup on the dyno and it's tires were partially melted, and had the bed filled with water. Joe at PPE was busy on a computer modifying data tables.

Does PPE do their own tuning? It has been mentioned on this board that they don't. All the evidence I have is that they do.

I'm not affiliated with PPE, I'm affiliated with the LLY Duramax. I have always reported here what I'm doing with my truck, and have tried to give an unbiased perspective of what I'm currently running.

It has been mentioned to me that I sometimes test products for "free" or discounted. I plead guilty to that. But for every product I test, it costs dyno $$$, and wear-n-tear, and time to do the tests. Many end-users do not go through that expense, and rely on others to provide data on tuners so that they can make up their own mind. To the best of my knowledge, I have not steered anyone wrong by saying that a "bad" product is good. I have however, reported that a possibly good product was bad because of my inability to find the real cause of misbehavior of a tuner.

But I am just one owner. What is IMPORTANT is that we get multiple owners to report their results and reviews. Consensus builds confidence in results.

WELL SAID:ro)

Yes Joe does all the tunning for PPE. I have worked with PPE closely. i let themdo all my LLY programming, and i test it with my truck. IM getting ready to try some more nitrous on mine and hopfully have it dynoed by the next DHRA event.

It has been mentioned to me that I sometimes test products for "free" or discounted. I plead guilty to that. But for every product I test, it costs dyno $$$, and wear-n-tear, and time to do the tests. Many end-users do not go through that expense, and rely on others to provide data on tuners so that they can make up their own mind. To the best of my knowledge, I have not steered anyone wrong by saying that a "bad" product is good. I have however, reported that a possibly good product was bad because of my inability to find the real cause of misbehavior of a tuner.


As long as a guy can remain unbias during testing and reporting the facts, a freebie is not a crime.

Just keep track of all your time and multiply that by your normal hourly wage. It adds up quick. Don't forget to add in personal stress,wear and tear,parts, supplies and shop time.

I sometimes think you could just go by the damn product, scrap the in depth testing/tear down , keep the info to yourself and come out ahead in the long run.

When you have no revenue being generated from the automobile industry, and no friends generating revenue from automobiles, you are definelty just doing the testing for fun.

Where it REALLY stings is with the Vette. I have bought, then dynotested/tracktested, and reported that the product sucks.

THEN when I try to resell it to try other product, it reduces the resale value. So to an extent, when you report poor results for a mod, it costs you even more.

And there is the "dartboard" factor. No matter which product you test, whether you report good or bad, you will make enemies. Not much you can do about it.

It has been mentioned to me that I sometimes test products for "free" or discounted. I plead guilty to that. But for every product I test, it costs dyno $$$, and wear-n-tear, and time to do the tests. Many end-users do not go through that expense, and rely on others to provide data on tuners so that they can make up their own mind. To the best of my knowledge, I have not steered anyone wrong by saying that a "bad" product is good. I have however, reported that a possibly good product was bad because of my inability to find the real cause of misbehavior of a tuner.

But I am just one owner. What is IMPORTANT is that we get multiple owners to report their results and reviews. Consensus builds confidence in results.
Couldn't have put it better!:ro)

As long as a guy can remain unbias during testing and reporting the facts, a freebie is not a crime.


I sometimes think you could just go by the damn product, scrap the in depth testing/tear down , keep the info to yourself and come out ahead in the long run.

.

0 Bias is difficult to maintain at times when the '+'s outweigh the '-'s
Not necessarily a bad product or bias, but an example of one that shows a lot of promise and need some work on fine tuning.

As far as keeping something secret. Well I guess we could all keep secrets about what we do ... but then we would be collectively shooting ourselves in the foot about collaborative upgrades especially if 1 person has half of the solution to another person's problem.

To anyone testing or pursuing other forms of power production, either independantly or by being 'tapped' by a company. Let's get it done.

:ro)

Juice I was trying to say that when you are given something free you tend to think you are indebited to that person for giving you something free. So sometimes that can skew your testing and reporting. A easy way to avoid that is to remeber that although the product was free, your time, materials and energy is not. So you have to ask yourself, how much do I really owe this person?

If the product is a stinker, then you do not owe them squat, because they never really gave you anything other than a headache.

So the comment about remaining unbiased was not about posting good or bad but rather post the facts as you see them without being a sellout.

In regards the testing and keping it under raps, that was more of a general statement about sometimes it would be easier to just pay for the product and forgo the frebbie, the reviews and all of the critisim that comes with it. The dart board effect as Mc Rat put it.

You know me, I blab everytime I learn something and apparently I blab when others find soemthing as well. So I love to share. Isn't that why we are all here? I can go be bymyself in the garage.

Juice I was trying to say that when youare given something free you tend to think you are indebited tot hat person for giving you something free. So sometimes that can skew your testing and reporting. A easy way to avoid that is to remeber that althought he product was free, your time, materials and energy is not. So you have to ask yourself, how much do I really owe this person?

If the product is a stinker, then you do not owe them squat, because they never really gave yuo anything other than a headache.

So the unbiased was not about posting good or bad but rather post the facts as you see them without being bought.
Thanks Bronco.
I thought that was what you meant.
Some days i just need a little clarification!:D

I need to learn to spell check before I post. You quoted the illiterate version. :(

:)

I need to learn to spell check before I post. You quoted the illiterate version. :(

:)
yuh... whut? were wi tokkin abowt?

Done.

Done.
HUH?? :confused:

This mean you made a purchase today??

Headed to the dyno yet Guy?

Done.
The MYTH BUSTER strikes again.............):h ):h ):h

This should prove interesting.........

I think I know the outcome already..........:cool:

Just another exercise in the quest for the TRUTH........

And the Truth Shall Set You Free.............:)

with trippin on this one

So when it is all said and done if you have an LB7 run TTS and if you have an LLY run the PPE Hot.

So when it is all said and done if you have an LB7 run TTS and if you have an LLY run the PPE Hot.
Ask PPE how many of their engines have failed. It strikes me funny how a company winds up with so many bad engines. :confuzeld

I truly hope it performs as advertised. That would be great!

I've seen claims that the original Xcelerator would blow away the Bully Dog 150/155 pup. I've seen claims that the Intimidator tunes were unique. Dyno'd for a customer and all were identical. I've been told (on Thursday) that my unit was shipped Wednesday and would be back for Friday in time for weekend at the track only to be called Thursday pm to say the card on file had expired (actually card did get a new date) and unit was not shipped. Burned me up that when I inquired I was told (Dan left the phone and said he went and checked) one thing and another happened. Of course by the time I got the message Thursday PM it was too late. Joe knows where to reach me if he wants to set things straight...

So when it is all said and done if you have an LB7 run TTS and if you have an LLY run the PPE Hot.

With the choices available to you right now for racing an LLY, the PPE has the lead in power production. Keep in mind that it is not a mid-level tune. If a Predator 100 or Banks will hurt your trans, this tune will KILL it. It is approx 180rwhp (base- 246hp, tuned- 426rwhp) when put on a truck with exhaust modifications. Stacking will bring you 220rwhp gain.

For owners with stock transmissions, this is not something you should consider. Build your trans first. I doubt a stock trans would handle even one 1/4mi pass.

Guys,

I might have to let you down on this one. :(
Reading the PPE website, this box has all the same features as a Quad/BullyDog.
The only difference is in the case.

I got the PPE Hot Xcelerator LB7 in today. $1069.00 delivered to my door. Now I get to spend another $400.00 to go to the dyno and then when I'm all done sell it for $500.00? Just to prove what we all suspect?

I just spent $400.00 a few weeks ago to test the new Quad 215 tune stacked with the Edge. Which is much better than it used to be, but still not as good as the Xtreme. The 10 tune Quad 215 is a great value at $699.00.

So in the end I think I'll just return the "unopened" box to PPE, and eat the freight both ways.

If PPE (Xcelerator) wants to stand behind their statement that it will beat the Xtreme by taking it back for a full refund if it doesn't and pay for the dyno time, then I'm all for it. But I don't think that would be a wise business decision on their part.

Sorry to let you down guys, when some truly new technology in tunes hit the market I'll be the first one on it. ;)

If PPE (Xcelerator) wants to stand behind their statement that it will beat the Xtreme by taking it back for a full refund if it doesn't and pay for the dyno time, then I'm all for it. But I don't think that would be a wise business decision on their part.The only thing revolutionary about PPE's product line is the creativity they have when it comes to marketing.. Unless you have little to no expectations, then i wouldnt pay for it until it proves itself on the dyno. Atleast with TTS you know what to expect.

Giving PPE $$$ = http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/badidea.gif

BTW, how do you like those caltracs Guy?

Brandon has them at the track today. We'll see what his findings are. I had them shipped to him first because he had the time and the track day was planned. I would not have gotten to them any quicker than he...

Brandon has them at the track today. We'll see what his findings are. I had them shipped to him first because he had the time and the track day was planned. I would not have gotten to them any quicker than he...
Thanks John, to you and Brandon for picking up my slack and getting it done.

:grd: