I have noticed alot of guys use Nitrous but very few seem to use propane. the stock ihi has limited air movin capabilities so the nitrous being a oxygen inhibitor makes up for the lack of air aka cleanin up the smoke and usin all that fuel for max power.

Well then alot of guys talk about not gettin enough fuel and the power going flat with these hot tunes and boxes from quad, xtreme, VA, etc so they add a lift pump, fass, etc. now we are having a new turbo ATS pushin huge air. Why not use propane as a fuel inhibitor? This would take some of the fuel issues away and give you better mileage.

Just wondering why i don't see many users and for what reasons. was going to add it to my truck later on but if its been blowin engines or what not no way.

Most of the guys running the big single from ats like myself, can't use propane for sled pulls as its not allowed, and thats the main reason why we went to the big single, to be competetive in the pulls.

There are others running propane, racing, and daily driving on here.................i have no experience with it, so i'll let the experts tell you how they like it.

You may want to pm NLDP, Kind D, or Super Diesel, I'm pretty sure they could tell you what you need to know, maybe one of them will chime in.

it adds some nice usable hp ,if i can help feel free to pm me

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Any experiences with the MSD propane contol unit? Being an MSD product, I'm sure it well thought out? I'd like to hear if someone is using it on their pickup and what they think.

BB

Hmmm propane huh?? Might be the next thing to get on my list. How many more horses are we looking at getting with 'pane?

I love Propane!
I run it all the time.
It added 62.1 HP & 150 TQ to the wheels on my LLY.
Very smooth power curve using the Powershot. Very nice when stacked with my Edge.
1.20/ Gallon for Propane is a nice alternative to the $2.50/ gallon Diesel fuel!
I am going to see how much I can safely turn up the propane, so I can use more of it and less diesel.

Is there anyway to get around any warranty issues or are you just screwed.

Nate

I think if you went to the dealer with a warranty repair on your engine that they would tell you to turn around and bend over.

"How many more horses are we looking at getting with 'pane?"
LB7 see 60-90 hp and around 130 ft lbs torque
LLY 60-80 and around 150 ft lbs torque

"Is there anyway to get around any warranty issues or are you just screwed?"http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif

Depends what type of system you go with. A Powershot for example requires no permanent modifications to the vehicle and can be removed without evidence in about 20-30 minutes. Others that require the under hood mounting of the vaporizer/regulator assembly and require the cutting/splicing into of the coolant lines can also be returned to stock, but require a bit more work to do so.

I think if you went to the dealer with a warranty repair on your engine that they would tell you to turn around and bend over.
Just unhook/remove it and take all those little green Coleman propane bottles out of the bed before going in. ):h

My bad. Didn't know they were that easy to remove.

The Powershot is very simple to remove and is a vapor system (preferred). It dosn't use the coolant to heat up the liquid pane to turn it to a vapor. Much less chance of engine carnage.

I have noticed alot of guys use Nitrous but very few seem to use propane. the stock ihi has limited air movin capabilities so the nitrous being a oxygen inhibitor makes up for the lack of air aka cleanin up the smoke and usin all that fuel for max power.

Well then alot of guys talk about not gettin enough fuel and the power going flat with these hot tunes and boxes from quad, xtreme, VA, etc so they add a lift pump, fass, etc. now we are having a new turbo ATS pushin huge air. Why not use propane as a fuel inhibitor? This would take some of the fuel issues away and give you better mileage.

Just wondering why i don't see many users and for what reasons. was going to add it to my truck later on but if its been blowin engines or what not no way.
I don't know why you're using the term "inhibitor" for nitrous or propane. Nitrous adds or increases the ability to burn fuel. Propane adds fuel. So both could be called an "extender" if you're trying to describe what they do.

At the drag strip, both are fine. At the pulls, neither are allowed. If you do both, there's a lot of wrenching to get the systems on and off and is a PITA....some pull rules mandate that the system parts be totally removed.

I would like to dyno mine to see what the lp adds. I can sure tell you that you have to be careful in 5th gear if you don't have the trans modded. It seems really easy to pull through 5th in mine. I'm not talking about when it shifts, I mean just driving along and go to pass someone without doing any downshift. The lp really brings up the torque.

The warranty issue was a BIG concern of mine when I was looking to run Propane.
I came up with 2 things that solve that problem.

1: Run the Powershot kit.
Because of the way it is designed the ramp up of power is very smooth and safe. Unless you crank up the settings WAY above what it comes set at, the propane by itself will not cause any problem with your truck.

2: You need a way to easily hide the entire Propane kit, Including the tanks.
(Since the Powershot only has 1 power wire to disconnect and 2 hoses to run under the hood, It is very easy to disconnect and fish them back to the bed of the truck, where the Powershot unit is mounted.)

The first option is to have a hard, lockable Tonno cover over the bed and install everything under there.
That was not an option for me since I pull a 5th wheel.

My company designs and builds a custom tank enclosure using a lockable Diamond plate "Tool box" that sits behind the cab and Flush with the top of the bed rails.
Mounted Inside that box is the Powershot unit, Hoses, Tanks, And hardware to secure the tanks. We use 4 five gallon propane tanks (18 liquid gallons). These tanks are secured in place just like in an RV. No tools are needed to refill them.

If I need to make a trip to the Dealer I can disconnect the power wire, 2 hoses and fish them back into the lockable box. Out of sight out of mind.
Because the under hood install is very stealthy already I won't disconnect anything unless the truck is going in for some major work.

When I Dynoed my truck the Diesel mechanic could not find the propane install under the hood. He looked for 3 or 4 minutes then I finally pointed it out to him. This guy works on Duramaxes every day! At one point he was looking right at the line that injects the propane, yet he still couldn't recognize it.

We not only have the tanks in the enclosures, but we are a Powershot dealer and can supply you with the entire kit ready to be bolted into your truck. Feel free to call me with any questions. Dave 801-604-4125

One thing to think about(and I'm not trying to discourage the use of Pane) is that if you have a major internal engine problem(where the engine must be disassembled) I've been told that there will be a yellow hue to the top of the pistons. Also been told that if the tech is aware that pane causes this yellowing your warranty could be denied.

Why yellow?

what is the proportion of fuel used? if you set up powershot, are your going to use 25% propane / 75% diesel?

i'm trying to figure on how it impacts the economy of driving. so, if diesel were 2.50 gal, and propane was 1.25 gal, then is your new blended mixture cost 2.20ish? *plus* you get an increase of 2-3 mpg? if you gain 12% better from cost of fuel, and 13% better from mileage, then you are 25% better economy.

if you normally would spend 3,500 a year on fuel, then you could save 875 in a year which would pay for an installed system.

if the improvements above are close, then it sounds like free fun?

Do a search of my posts about the economy of propane. If you get it cheap and use alot, it will save money. I currently average 30 to 31 mpg on diesel running lp. I get 30 mpg on lp. You have to calculate the cost of each per mile and add it together to get the total cost/mile.

Psone, not really sure about why the color is yellowish. Just have heard that it is a sign that propane has been burnt in the cylinder. Wonder if a user here can confirm what I have been told about propane? Surely someone knows.

I have just never heard that one, and I've heard a LOThttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif I don't know of anyone, thankfullyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif that has had a teardown to confirm or deny it. The oil stays cleaner due the reduction of soot, so maybe they are just seeing cleaner pistions than they are used to?

In regards to mileage, a system can be tuned for performance and moderate mileage gains, mileage gains and moderate performance or a combination of both. It is hard to put it into a 75/25 type formula, as it will depend on your driving style, boost readings, etc, but that is probably close.

Basically, anytime you are over 5 psi you are flowing propane, but with a variable system, it is in proportion to the boost pressure of the engine. So it starts out flowing approximately 1/2 cfm at 5 psi and by the time you are at 20 psi it is roughly around 5.0 cfm. So if the majority of your driving is at say 5-10 psi, you will not use very much propane to complete the burn which results in the increase in power and mileage. A non variable system will kick in at whatever boost you desire, set by a hobbs switch and basically will flow that 5.0 cfm all at once, so it will use considerably more propane, but you can still realize mileage gains.

The majority of customers report "actual" (before propane cost) gains of about 4-5 mpg, after all is said and done, and the cost of propane is considered, most customers will still see about a 1-3 mpg increase. Most report higher gains when towing. I have attributed this to them not being able to hot dog around with a trailer hooked uphttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif Hope this helps clarify.

I hope what I was told was fiction, and that it is undetectable.:exactly: I know that many big HP guys use it with great success, and if you can
keep it :secret: to the dealer if something bad were to happen then that would be a plus.

Everyone is a big help!! I met some guy filling up th old tank and he claimed he was getting 34 MPG on the high way with his homade kit. He had a switch inside his truck going to a soliniod and on the tank was an acetylene regulator. Thought it was cool and the milage is nothing to sneeze at!!

No matter how fast I want to go I gatta remeber that sticker price or nearly 50K. So far most everything sounds easily removable, but at 605 tq stock and that being so close to the peak tq capability of the stock allison not to much I can do.

Thanks all..
Nate

There is no yellow residue left behind by the pane. I've been into mine after, and saw nothing out of the ordinary besides a clean lookin engine.

That's definitely good to know, I'm glad someone in the know put what I heard to bed.

I believe I heard this from someone running it, on the Ford forum.:o:

Sorry if I unintentionally mislead anyone. I am glad someone came up with some firsthand experience.