-b-rian
04-15-2005, 05:29 PM
Got a friend with an 02 D/A dually. He has all the bolt on mods possible, and pulls a 44ft gooseneck with 2 cars, to races throughout the country. He just installed an engine brake not too long ago, but feels he still needs the stock brakes upgraded. He is known for having a heavy foot. Is their a company that makes a larger rotor and caliper for stock wheels ??
Jackpine
04-15-2005, 07:12 PM
Stainless steel brakes make kits that give 15% increase brake torque. Only thing I've herd of.
Zorganov
04-16-2005, 09:58 AM
Exhaust brake, stock brakes, I'm assuming electric trailer brakes, Wow, that's already alot of braking power. Possibly upgrade to hydraulic trailer brakes or like Jackpine said, try Stainlessteelbrakes
03 Radio Flyer
04-16-2005, 02:29 PM
Got a friend with an 02 D/A dually. He has all the bolt on mods possible, and pulls a 44ft gooseneck with 2 cars, to races throughout the country. He just installed an engine brake not too long ago, but feels he still needs the stock brakes upgraded. He is known for having a heavy foot. Is their a company that makes a larger rotor and caliper for stock wheels ??Forgive me for butting in here but...
How much does that 44ft goosenece with 2 cars weigh? What's the combined weight of the 1-ton truck, trailer, racing gear, 2 cars, passengers, spare tires, etc. etc?
Me thinks that the problem is not the amount of brakes. The problem is NOT ENOUGH TRUCK! He must be close to or past 30K lbs, as is. Adding more brake to the trailer may help some, until wheels lock up on the trailer. Then stopping distances INCREASE, not the other way round. Getting larger brake surfaces on the tow vehicle is one way, but there's only so much room inside the 16" rim.
Heavy towing conditions are much different than those overpowered Nippon show queens. Adding huge brakes to a go-fast go-cart to stop less than 3500 lbs. is a completely different science then that of slowing down or stopping 30K lbs on a 10-12 mile long 7% down grade, which easily cooks/bakes/ignites normal brake pads (think NO BRAKES AT ALL). See it all the time, even on the East Coast mounds they call mountains around here.
Get your friend to an emergency public scale! He needs immediate weight attention. Then have him pour over the tow vehicle options with a professional, using actual weights from the scale ticket and not some wild guess, gut feeling, female premonition, bar bet, or psychic palm reading, for the weights he is actually pulling. There are only two safe options when towing. Buy a trailer then get the tow vehicle rated to pull/stop it, or buy a tow vehicle and limit your trailer choices to what it can pull/stop. You can't jurry rig, bribe, fix with bolt-on mods, or have a lawyer argue the laws of natural physics. It just is, and you make your adjustments accordingly.
Oh, and please post his travel routes. I want to make sure I keep my loved ones out of his way (Heavy foot, my Censored).
RF
-b-rian
04-16-2005, 03:45 PM
Oh, and please post his travel routes. I want to make sure I keep my loved ones out of his way (Heavy foot, my Censored).
RF
Now thats funny. :)
Ill find out how much the trailer weighs in at, and i know that he's usually got his trans-am and grand national in the back.
What exactly do you mean by "not enough truck" ??
It may just be thats he's not used to the engine brake right now, but who the hell knows.
rightstuff
04-16-2005, 05:02 PM
03 Radio Flyer has got it right. Not enough truck!!! He's way over the tow rating, and with a heavy foot he likely wants to go down the hills fast too. No amount of brake upgrade to any dually is going to get him close. Even with the engine brake. His insurance is liable to evaporate when he needs it.
He needs a MDT (Medium Duty Truck) that's been outfitted for pulling his trailer. They're big and solid with huge brakes compared to a pickup. They're popular with the big trailer crowd and there's plenty of them on the market, new and used.
kbstinky
04-16-2005, 06:04 PM
In my humble opinion it is not the truck that is the problem.
You can only abuse a truck so much.
As you can see by my signature, I also to a fairly heavey 5th wheel, 13K.
I actually have to apply fuel on most hills because my Banks Brake is to efficient.
I would suggest two things. First, check the settings on his controller and make sure it is putting out enough voltage to apply the trailer brakes properly. Second, if he wants to improve any brakes he should look at the trailer.
There are now excellent after market "elecdraulic" brake system for trailers. These are a combination of electrically controlled hydraulic master cylinder and DISK BRAKES. ANY trailer can be retrofitted with these systems. There are several manufacturers.
This is a killer combination and have a friend that swears by them.
Go here and see: http://www.dexteraxle.com
rightstuff
04-17-2005, 02:48 PM
kb, I pull a 14.5 k trailer (with Dexter disc brakes, a big improvement over drums!!!) and have no brake issues. But this guy's 44 ft gooseneck with 2 cars plus racing gear is much heavier than yours or mine. And if he's got a heavy foot he's likely to go downhill fast, so gearing down (like the semis do) likely isn't in the picture. I don't want to be around him when he's going down a long grade or has to make an emergency stop