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Rafedial1

03-05-2009, 11:57 PM

here is a vid at idle and a little rev with walkaround.

just wanted to update that the interior is now finished, the bumper and hood are in place. Been driving it the last couple days for several hours at a time. Runs great, good mileage. No definitive results yet.

The reactions of friends, family, neighbors, and the locals is one of abundant confusion and excitement.

Chevrolet - Powered for performance, engineered for excitement. :D

here's a little exerpt from the common conversation with people.

Them, "that car seems like it's runnin a little rough there bud."

Me, "Yeah, I am havin trouble finding the right spark plugs for it." ;)

Proceed to open the hood.

Them, "what engine is that?"

Me, "It's a 6.5L diesel I say with a proud grin." :D

Them, "A diesel?" What is that black pipe for?

Me, "It's for the turbo"

Them, "this IS no turbo!"

Me, "Look under the rear of the car"

Them, "That won't work."

Me, "Right."

Proceed to leave in a nice cloud of coal and tire smoke.

I love this car more every day.

In one word it is the perfect combination of truck and car. So it has been dubbed, the "semi-car" by those who know of it.

http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/?action=view&current=MOV01216.flv

Cody

Green Machine

03-06-2009, 12:29 PM

Lol nice, does it have the DB2 or the DS4 Pump on it?

I like how you did all the guages inside. Looks real good.

dvap00

03-06-2009, 02:01 PM

That's bad azz!!! great build, thanks for sharing!!

Rafedial1

03-06-2009, 07:42 PM

Lol nice, does it have the DB2 or the DS4 Pump on it?

I like how you did all the guages inside. Looks real good.

thanks.

The IP is a DB2 4974. Converted from a Electronic #5068 pump. Engine was froma 94.

Yeah I did away with the HVAC and radio to make room for all the gauges. wanted to make sure I could monitor all the fluids pressures and heat.

went with a 120 pgh lift pump but it is overkill. I actually turn the lift pump off most of the time, let the pump draw. seems ok.

An external 40 mm wastegate controls the boost. Havin' trouble pushing over 12 psi consistently. Gonna change pre-load springs and valve seats.
It is intercooled and my IATs are not much over ambient temp, even under full boost. So I want to push it further. How far have you taken your 6.5L turbo?

Car was built to perform, not just exist.

Cody

max 02

03-07-2009, 12:23 PM

Nice work!! I like it.

dmaxvaz

03-07-2009, 11:20 PM

thanks.

The IP is a DB2 4974. Converted from a Electronic #5068 pump. Engine was froma 94.

Yeah I did away with the HVAC and radio to make room for all the gauges. wanted to make sure I could monitor all the fluids pressures and heat.

went with a 120 pgh lift pump but it is overkill. I actually turn the lift pump off most of the time, let the pump draw. seems ok.

An external 40 mm wastegate controls the boost. Havin' trouble pushing over 12 psi consistently. Gonna change pre-load springs and valve seats.
It is intercooled and my IATs are not much over ambient temp, even under full boost. So I want to push it further. How far have you taken your 6.5L turbo?

Car was built to perform, not just exist.

Cody
YOU NEED THAT LIFT PUMP TO RUN ALL THE TIME, IF YOU DONT WANT TO TEAR UP THE IP- YOU PROBABLY WOULD GET MORE FUEL AND MORE BOOST WITH IT.

Green Machine

03-08-2009, 01:37 PM

Yes either run that lift pump, or put a smaller lift pump on. The Injection pump needs to be fed fuel, you may not feel it now but when the pump wears out a little bit you will feel it hiccup or stall or etc...

I don't push my truck into performance as much at the moment since it is really my only Daily Driver.

chevyinlinesix

03-08-2009, 02:20 PM

schwinn68

03-08-2009, 03:04 PM

Nice job on the install! Looks very clean. I look forward to the next update after some more drive time

Rafedial1

03-08-2009, 08:41 PM

Awesome job! I would love to see your car sometime, a truly unique project you have. That's quite the puff of smoke when you revved it too. Just think of the fuel mileage he will get with it, those cars are so aerodynamic, and how quick it is. I mean the 6.5's defiantly aren't known for being fast, but do a lot of work on them as it appears you have, and drop them in a freakin Camaro and you've got yourself one hell of a machine.

I'm curious, did the insurance company say anything to you when you told them "uh yeah, it's a green 1994 Chevrolet Camaro, 6.5 liter Turbo Diesel engine... VIN number..." How did they respond to that one?

Also, should this be in the 6.5 forum, I'm sure you'd get a ton more hits. And x3, make sure you have a lift pump constantly feeding the injection pump, he may not feel the engine stumble as bad as our trucks when they need a lift pump, because of his Camaro being so much lighter.

P.S. My Custom Intake Manifold would look like an absolute killer on your car.:D

thanks.

I've been following your intake manifold build. Looks great! well researched. can't wait! :D

to make it clear I about my fuel situation I have a 90 pgh RACOR diesel fuel filter 2 micron, water separator, 120 gph lift pump after filter, 1/2" line suply to filter, 3/8 supply line to IP and DB2 Marine spec 4974 pump with larger plungers. Lift pump on a relay and switch. Plenty fuel!, so at cruise I have a few times tested the car and shut the lift pump off. got better mileage, and for some reasont he engine got quieter. hmm....

I would love to make predictions of its mlieage and HP and 1/4 mile numbers. But I can't....

There are arrangments for some dyno time at CRT and Norwalk/Summit Raceway park is gonna be open soon. 20 psi with drag radials. We'll see.

about Insurance.....umm....;)

Pic of the suspension. UMI lower rear adjustable control arms, adjustable panhard, UMI torque arm, Denny's driveshaft. POR 15 undercoating. soon to be broken 10 bolt.

h2omelon

03-10-2009, 02:35 AM

That's bad ass. I've been looking into putting a 6.5 in my B2200. This is the inspiration to get me going.Thanks

Rafedial1

03-10-2009, 03:32 AM

That's bad ass. I've been looking into putting a 6.5 in my B2200. This is the inspiration to get me going.Thanks

Cool project!

I've been through alot during my build, somethin like this, :):(:mad::mad::):cool::D. sorry just learnin to use these things. lol.

but now I will forever be :D with satisfaction. It's worth it and learned alot. Let me know if you have any questions about your swap. I'll help.

Found a cool pic of the mockup stage for the engine/trans...

Cody

Rafedial1

03-10-2009, 03:38 AM

here's some interior shots...

Rafedial1

03-10-2009, 03:50 AM

managed to get all three of my girls in one random shot.

Thanks to both of them for putting up with me during it all.

the dog (pig) loves to go for rides in the car. Her ears perk up when the turbo spools. lol.

Cody

Torque454

03-10-2009, 04:16 AM

Nice work! I love it. A few months ago I discussed putting a 6.5 into one of the three pintos in my signature. Will be a tough conversion tho if I do it. The location of the front crossmember requires a front sump oil pan which to my knowledge was never made for a 6.2/6.5. But could you imagine 400+ ft lb in a 2500# car? :eek: Considering one for my 79 pickup too but i think im going with a 4.3 V6 instead, dont know. 305 in it now, got a 454 to use up but it needs rebuilt now.

ercaduceus

03-10-2009, 05:50 AM

That is one cool Camaro!!! Excited to hear perfomance numbers when it gets to that stage. I like the dog too!! Just got a Jack Russell puppy:D

matuva

03-10-2009, 08:33 AM

Awesome job!!!
Damn, where is the turbo ? I hear it spooling but can't see it....

NICHOLS LANDSCA

03-10-2009, 01:45 PM

Awesome job!!!
Damn, where is the turbo ? I hear it spooling but can't see it....

He has it rear mounted, look at the pics with the car up on the hoist right behind axle. Post #12

BlueBurby1

03-10-2009, 01:52 PM

thanks.

I've been following your intake manifold build. Looks great! well researched. can't wait! :D

to make it clear I about my fuel situation I have a 90 pgh RACOR diesel fuel filter 2 micron, water separator, 120 gph lift pump after filter, 1/2" line suply to filter, 3/8 supply line to IP and DB2 Marine spec 4974 pump with larger plungers. Lift pump on a relay and switch. Plenty fuel!, so at cruise I have a few times tested the car and shut the lift pump off. got better mileage, and for some reasont he engine got quieter. hmm....

I would love to make predictions of its mlieage and HP and 1/4 mile numbers. But I can't....

There are arrangments for some dyno time at CRT and Norwalk/Summit Raceway park is gonna be open soon. 20 psi with drag radials. We'll see.

about Insurance.....umm....;)

Pic of the suspension. UMI lower rear adjustable control arms, adjustable panhard, UMI torque arm, Denny's driveshaft. POR 15 undercoating. soon to be broken 10 bolt.

trust us when we say that you WILL kill the IP if you don't have a running LP...even if you get a variable output or a flow through small output and a large output...you need something so the IP isn't drawing it's own fuel. of course you get better mileage, the poor thing is starving itself of fuel. it sounds quieter cause again, your fuel starved.

you've obviously put alot of time and money into this, so why waste it now with a preventable breakdown? unless money is no concern in which case give me some...

other than that...great build, looks awesome

jjw565

03-10-2009, 02:45 PM

that is seriously the most awesome thing I have seen on this board! :thumb: I always loved that generation of Camaro's and with a 6.5L Diesel, it's pure awesomeness. Are you planning on going with propane or nitrous or any of that stuff? I am guessing without it you might just keep up with a Z28 but with it maybe you could beat one, at least off the launch with the low end torque of the diesel. Let us know what kind of performance you are seeing once you get to that stage.

Also, your probably best keeping the lift pump running just to be on the safe side. I know at idle and probably low fuel demand situations you probably don't need it but when you get on the gas you may starve the pump a bit and I thinking sucking air is whats bad for them. I ran without one on my Tahoe for a while though with no problems until my fuel filter started to clog then I was getting surging and bucking so I decided I better get one.

Also I've hear the lecture on here a million times but has anyone actually seen an IP get damaged from no lift pump? DieselPro maybe? :confuzeld I am just curious about the physics inside the pump because if there is no surging/pulling air I don't understand how damage would occur. It's not like the pump can physically work harder because its just driven off the motor, its not like an electric motor that can suck more current and get hot or anything.

BlueBurby1

03-10-2009, 03:36 PM

ahh but it does...it stresses the pump sealing surfaces because of added pressures on the pump...and could also cause cavitation...

and yes...people on here have had their IPs damaged from this...I'm sure a quick SEARCH would yield the answers you seek

jjw565

03-10-2009, 03:48 PM

I checked out wikipedia on cavitation and its actually a pretty interesting read. Sounds plausible in this application. Definitely not something you would want to have occurring in your IP.

mattthebrat

03-10-2009, 06:00 PM

to make it clear I about my fuel situation I have a 90 pgh RACOR diesel fuel filter 2 micron, water separator, 120 gph lift pump after filter, 1/2" line suply to filter, 3/8 supply line to IP and DB2 Marine spec 4974 pump with larger plungers. Lift pump on a relay and switch. Plenty fuel!, so at cruise I have a few times tested the car and shut the lift pump off. got better mileage, and for some reasont he engine got quieter. hmm....

So just to be clear here, you have the switch controlled LP after the fuel filter, and do you also have another constant pump before the filter too??

Rgardless of location you need a constant LP running, it is too much strain on the IP to have to suck the fuel out of the tank and you will be left with a paper weight soon enough.

Rafedial1

03-10-2009, 07:11 PM

well, seeing the responses to that. I am not going to turn the lift pump off again.

What I imagined happening in my head was if the IP/engine could run without the lift pump on, the way my fuel system is ran (Gravity helps here (fuel cell is mount higher than fuel inlet on engine) then the IP wasn't cavitating. But when you say it stresses the seals of the IP, that's scary!
Then I remembered the lift pump doesn't allow flow when OFF, oh chit. So it was prob workin hard feed the engine. :eek: Thanks guys for letting me know.

Rafedial1

03-10-2009, 07:13 PM

So just to be clear here, you have the switch controlled LP after the fuel filter, and do you also have another constant pump before the filter too??

Rgardless of location you need a constant LP running, it is too much strain on the IP to have to suck the fuel out of the tank and you will be left with a paper weight soon enough.

Yes, switched LP after Racor Fuel Filter. Racor filter directly to tank. No other pumps.

Rafedial1

03-10-2009, 07:23 PM

that is seriously the most awesome thing I have seen on this board! :thumb: I always loved that generation of Camaro's and with a 6.5L Diesel, it's pure awesomeness. Are you planning on going with propane or nitrous or any of that stuff? I am guessing without it you might just keep up with a Z28 but with it maybe you could beat one, at least off the launch with the low end torque of the diesel. Let us know what kind of performance you are seeing once you get to that stage. thanks. It means alot to hear that. I have looked into WMI, propane, nitrous. I think i'll stick with fuel only until i max out on the IP and PSI.

Also, your probably best keeping the lift pump running just to be on the safe side. I know at idle and probably low fuel demand situations you probably don't need it but when you get on the gas you may starve the pump a bit and I thinking sucking air is whats bad for them. I ran without one on my Tahoe for a while though with no problems until my fuel filter started to clog then I was getting surging and bucking so I decided I better get one.

Also I've hear the lecture on here a million times but has anyone actually seen an IP get damaged from no lift pump? DieselPro maybe? :confuzeld I am just curious about the physics inside the pump because if there is no surging/pulling air I don't understand how damage would occur. It's not like the pump can physically work harder because its just driven off the motor, its not like an electric motor that can suck more current and get hot or anything. That's what I thought!!

Cody

mamzerook

03-10-2009, 07:25 PM

I suggest callin Bill Heath for any performance questions you might have. As you may have read here, he is highly regarded as THE 6.5 guru. He is gettin 500 hp I believe out of the racer.

Rafedial1

03-10-2009, 07:30 PM

mamzerook

03-10-2009, 07:30 PM

Also remember, that is an INJECTOR pump as opposed to a LIFT pump. It is designed to compress fuel to pop pressure, not draw at the same time. One of the symptoms of a failed lift pump is stumbling under full throttle, as the IP is again not designed as a vacuum. You may never have an issue ith your set-up, and I hope you don't, but it is a risk left to your discretion.

Rafedial1

03-10-2009, 07:38 PM

I suggest callin Bill Heath for any performance questions you might have. As you may have read here, he is highly regarded as THE 6.5 guru. He is gettin 500 hp I believe out of the racer.

I am so jealous of that man and his accomplishments.

Rock on! keep pushing that 6.5L technology. Bill, you gonna drag that screamer this year?

honestbest333

03-10-2009, 10:46 PM

Sweet Ride. What kind of mileage do you expect?

chevyinlinesix

03-11-2009, 01:14 AM

I was just wondering, are you planning on taking this beast to any car shows?

I know I already said this but... awesome job, five thumbs up, if I'm ever in your area I'll bring you down a case of Canadian beer if you take me for a ride in it. All :hail: the 6.5l Diesel Camaro.

detroitdiesel

03-11-2009, 02:30 AM

Just, curious... where did you get your injection pump from, and about how much did it set you back??

By the way, super nice camaro. Looks beautiful. I am thinking of putting a 6.2 into a buick electra (a old, large four door car). It looks nice but is a boat.

Rafedial1

03-12-2009, 04:09 AM

car shows... umm...

she's a little too rough around the edges for any trophy. lol But i plan on going to Quaker Steak and Lube, legendary Mill Hollow meet, Summit events, Woodward Dream cruise, among others.

The IP is classified.

WhiteK2500

03-12-2009, 05:48 AM

LMAO! That thing is SWEET!!!

Oh god... My mother better hide the keys to her 02 Firebird now.... I'll end up having a new home for the 6.2 :D

I like the turbo behind the axle, I caught that first glance with the car in the air (I was lookin for it though, I got your hint about people not seein one) notice any real lag? And I hope you have an electric return oil pump to return the oil to the pan... Or a dedicated oiling system for the turbo.

I love how a 6.2/6.5 can fit just about anywhere a 350 can.

I dream of putting a 6.5 in an old 70's caprice or similar bodystyle, the torque from a diesel would get those old boats goin pretty quick.

Besides, diesel fanatic or not, it still fawks with you when you hear a car knock like that :p: Ahhhh Good ol diesel knock..... Wait... it's a camaro..... Lol

It's like the 6.5er's version of the transformers movie when we see under bumblebee's hood...

Now... Get your woman in a tank top, and get her leanin over the engine bay :D (Just don't have her sayin you have double pump carbs when you don't... That engine was clearly NOT carburated... Yours either lol)

Haha, wicked job man, You have my respect.

Torque454

03-12-2009, 05:54 AM

LMAO! That thing is SWEET!!!

Oh god... My mother better hide the keys to her 02 Firebird now.... I'll end up having a new home for the 6.2 :D

I like the turbo behind the axle, I caught that first glance with the car in the air (I was lookin for it though, I got your hint about people not seein one) notice any real lag? And I hope you have an electric return oil pump to return the oil to the pan... Or a dedicated oiling system for the turbo.

I love how a 6.2/6.5 can fit just about anywhere a 350 can.

I dream of putting a 6.5 in an old 70's caprice or similar bodystyle, the torque from a diesel would get those old boats goin pretty quick.

Besides, diesel fanatic or not, it still fawks with you when you hear a car knock like that :p: Ahhhh Good ol diesel knock..... Wait... it's a camaro..... Lol

That reminds me of a time when i heard a pontiac parisienne running that had a 350 diesel in it. Sounded like it was ready to come apart any second. Lovely little GM diesel. lol. Heard a Chevy truck with a 350 diesel running too sounded the same way. Sure screws with you... hate to get close to it... afraid you'll pick up flying shrapnel in your flesh somewhere. lol.

Rafedial1

03-12-2009, 07:51 PM

some have asked for some on road vids....

had some time today, and my father was home. I let him film and drive the car too. car was running great today.

Turn it up!!!

http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/?action=view&current=MOV01332.flv

h2omelon

03-12-2009, 08:46 PM

Sweet. You need a longer video!

98z71keith

03-12-2009, 09:06 PM

that is awesome man!!!! I love the idea!! No better diesel engine to choose either, due to the 6.5's distinct sound. Even if the car falls on its face the look on peoples faces when they here a 6.5 and start looking over top of the camaro to see a burb or truck behind it cause they cant believe that sound is coming from a cammy. Nice work!

chevyinlinesix

03-12-2009, 09:33 PM

Incredible sound! I love it!

rob17san

03-13-2009, 04:09 AM

they always sound so much better after they pass than before. Ahhh...turbo whistle...

Green Machine

03-13-2009, 04:10 AM

Awesome car, awesome sound!

RAWRRRRRRRRRRRRR, PSSSHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Love it :D

red1500

03-13-2009, 07:35 PM

That has got to be the best thing since sliced bread and beats having to see a gasser V6 or V8 Camaro all the time!

KungFooMASTA

03-13-2009, 09:11 PM

Epic win.

1000 times better than any LT1 and 1,000,000 times better than any 3800.

Brad92

03-14-2009, 09:29 PM

hey green machine, i didn't know there was another one out there. i've got an 02 green GMC reg. cab short bed.

Rafedial1

03-29-2009, 01:29 PM

Thanks for the comments guys!! The Camaro has now become my Daily Driver. I can't seem to break her. The rear axle is holding up well. The engine is holding 16-18 psi well, with spikes over 20. Must be the cold IATs? 32 mpg solid average. I am very proud of my accomplishment. I set my goals high and reached most of them in the end. what's next??

chevyinlinesix

03-29-2009, 03:33 PM

The best part is not only do you have a good looking, unique car, but you are getting great fuel mileage, which will pay for itself fairly quickly I bet. Especially with it being your daily driver.

Any chance you can shoot some more video of it driving, maybe have someone in the passenger seat video taping you driving through town a bit, and a couple good accelerations, with one from a stop maybe?

Woody35

03-29-2009, 06:18 PM

dirtfarmer629

03-29-2009, 07:08 PM

Just joining the thread and saying it is a awesome project.

red1500

03-31-2009, 12:53 PM

Do you have any 0-60 times or 1/4 mile run times down the track? I'm sure it probably would do half decent because of the comparison between the weight of the car and the typical weight of a 6.5 truck. Yea, we do need more videos too!

freddy3spd

04-11-2009, 10:19 AM

I'll have to find another camaro to hook it up Diesel. I'll spread the word of what you doing. Great Post!!

Rafedial1

04-11-2009, 04:57 PM

ohh and if my posts offend anyone because I am not a site sponsor, I will simply put the car in the Vehicles for Sale section. :)

Cody

mrsemi05

04-12-2009, 01:04 AM

i love this thing must have been a blast building

Rafedial1

04-14-2009, 11:02 PM

not sure if i posted this vid. just a short walkaround

search youtube Diesel Camaro

NVW

04-14-2009, 11:16 PM

Nice dash work for the gauges. Leo

husker25

04-16-2009, 04:06 PM

thanks again for all the comments. :)

this spring/summer I will have vids, numbers, and 1/4 times.

If anyone is really interested in a fully hand built 4th Gen Diesel Camaro our team here at LMS is ready to suit you. The only thing holding me back from building more is investment$$$$.

The owner would receive a one of a kind car. Full build sheet, build pictures, and of course a warranty. Every detail documented.

The car would be set up similarly to the prototype you see here. However, there are options for the buyer.

A donor drivetrain and donor 4th Gen Camaro/Firebird will be hand selected to use for the project. Or if price isn't a concern to the buyer. A brand new GM crate 6.5L Diesel can be used, along with a new 4L80E transmission. Again, many options.

I as the owner of LMS, am very proud of my accomplishment. Now, since gaining the skills throughout the years as a car builder, am confident LMS can provide a very dependable Diesel powered F-body.

We have not decided on a final cost yet, but it will be below the cost of a new 2010 Camaro. when all said and done.

Time frame for completing one has been estimated at 6-8 months with the workforce we have now.

Why? It is my dream to provide a different option in the American Muscle scene. This is how I decided to go about that.

There are many innovations already implanted into the current prototype Diesel Camaro. I have many Documents with new ideas as well.

I am a young, honest businessman who is looking to fulfill a dream, while wholeheartedly satisfying my customers.

If you have any questions, email me at Rafedial1@hotmail.com (Rafedial1@hotmail.com)

Cody Loeser

Outstanding build! Have you considered running it on WVO or alternative fuel? Just curious.

husker25

04-16-2009, 04:09 PM

I suggest callin Bill Heath for any performance questions you might have. As you may have read here, he is highly regarded as THE 6.5 guru. He is gettin 500 hp I believe out of the racer.

Holy buckets Batman! What do I need to do to get that kind of power out of my rig? I went from a Dodge Hemi to my '94 and I miss the giddy up.

Rafedial1

05-05-2009, 10:39 PM

i love this thing must have been a blast building

it was rough in the begining of the build. Once it started coming together though, it was alot of fun.

Nice dash work for the gauges. Leo

thanks. I used a 99+ Firebird Dash that has perfect 2 5/8" holes for gauges. It's great, a nice combo of RED, WHITE, and BLUE gauge lights at night. :saluteusa:

Outstanding build! Have you considered running it on WVO or alternative fuel? Just curious.

currently running a 50/50 mixture of SVO and ULSD, the car runs smoother and smells like a deep fryer. :D

Rafedial1

05-05-2009, 10:42 PM

Rafedial1

05-05-2009, 10:46 PM

some pics from today. :D

don't ask about the hood. :mad::o:

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01812.jpg

94C1500

05-05-2009, 11:06 PM

I had the hood of my 86 camaro fly up and not come off, just wrap itself over the windhsield and roof, damaging everything. The hood latch was replaced and still doesnt work right.

Rafedial1

05-05-2009, 11:16 PM

I had the hood of my 86 camaro fly up and not come off, just wrap itself over the windhsield and roof, damaging everything. The hood latch was replaced and still doesnt work right.

sounds familiar!!! :eek: :banghead:

I'm blaming it on the torque! lol

Rafedial1

05-06-2009, 12:24 AM

Thats a very unique way of describing it but hey it works!

agreed. welcome back Big Blue!

ishiboo

05-06-2009, 12:57 AM

Amazing build. I always wanted to put a duramax in a big car like a lincoln mark iv or a torino or something, but the fact you shoehorned a 6.5 into there is amazing. May have missed it, but what'd you do for an oil pan?

Awesome car and cute girls too :)

Rafedial1

05-06-2009, 01:29 AM

just a modified truck oil pan

Rafedial1

05-06-2009, 10:39 PM

hey now, can't you two agree to disagree?

one thing we can agree on is that Diesel and specifically Biodiesel is the only Real solution to reducing our dependance on foreign oil.

randy_the_hack

05-06-2009, 11:09 PM

It's easy to generalize in a number of ways to demonize who's at fault for anything... and we all get our panties in a wad over the price of fuel. But let's keep the junk out of this otherwise remarkable thread.

You want to continue the discussion? Fine... do it in Off Topic, or in P&R. But don't hijack Cody's thread with this stuff. OK?

You guys kill me... here I am deleting posts and you guys are posting as fast as I can delete 'em. Yeesh!

Now back to discussing this utterly amazing Camaro...

BlueBurby1

05-06-2009, 11:46 PM

Rafedial1

05-07-2009, 12:14 AM

X2...come on guys

Now back on topic

WhiteK2500 and I were just talking, and we were wondering if you have found any efficiency loss on the turbo being mounted at the back, and if you are going to wrap or have wrapped the exhaust tubing to the turbo from the engine.

Yes it's wrapped with about 200ft of DEI exhaust wrap, then DEI silicone coated. Double wrapped in most places for that "extra protection" ;)

Yes there is some efficiency loss. However i am unable to accurately measure that due to the the use of the Holset HX-35W turbocharger, versus the original GM-X series.

light cruising yields about 3 psi of boost. Does very well on fuel in this range.

Normal light acceleration is around 6-8 psi.

i really gotta push it to get my max of 18 psi. i keep it in the 12-15 psi range to save this motor. BTW, this motor is weak, needs a rebuild and the trans has started slipping (high mile donor tow vehicle).

Overall performs very well. If I had the room, and didn't have to worry about weight I would most def shove it up front.

Sound....man the sound make the rear turbo worth it. Someone has asked me if I have a jet engine in my car. no joke.

Rafedial1

05-10-2009, 10:30 PM

my album here....http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/

trapp2012

05-10-2009, 10:48 PM

Nice to see some more video's Rafe

Rafedial1

05-10-2009, 10:55 PM

video below...

Rafedial1

05-11-2009, 12:31 AM

took some friendly advice and raised limiter to 3400 rpm. first drive. ride along vid at 12 psi

yeah the dog was in the car, i mean the car is a dog. wait?:rolleyes::(
http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/?action=view&current=MOV01887.flv

chevyinlinesix

05-11-2009, 01:03 PM

My god... listen to that... it's so awesome sounding. :D

Thank you very much for the videos. :)

94C1500

05-11-2009, 11:37 PM

Wow its loud in that cockpit..... Passengers always relate riding in my Z28 to being in a plane :)

You get some good pull on upshift.

Rafedial1

05-14-2009, 01:21 AM

yeah, there's quite a bit of vibration, and no firewall padding, stripped dash. It may also come from the Solid engine mounts.

let's just say it gives me a real "feel" for the road. :)

Narcah

05-14-2009, 01:50 AM

I love camaro's, I love diesel's, what a great concept! And perfect execution. Can we get the 4.5 Duramax in a new Camaro please?

Rafedial1

05-14-2009, 02:23 AM

+1

a small part of why I built this car was to show GM how to do it. Diesel muscle cars is a real concept, and it can be done tastefully.

trapp2012

05-14-2009, 04:35 PM

Hey it sounds amazing.. How fast were you going....

But watch out for that stop sign ahead...

Rafedial1

05-14-2009, 04:59 PM

I was traveling much faster than the 50 mph limit. :)

and the brakes work very well.

BigBlueChevy

05-14-2009, 05:13 PM

wow.

just wow.

I can't seem to find anymore words at the moment for this. That was just friggin awesome. Sounds real good man!

914turboford

05-15-2009, 12:55 PM

Sorry if this was covered already but were you able to fit air conditioning? If you didn't put it in do you think you could have done it?
Brian

Rafedial1

05-15-2009, 01:17 PM

without a doubt I would have had A/C if it wasn't for the weight that would be added.

914turboford

05-15-2009, 03:53 PM

So it would have fit easily? I lengthened the frame on this 6.5t S-10 partly so that I could have AC.
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r12/914turboford/65InFrame001.jpg

More info here if you are interested. http://engineconversions.org/showthread.php?p=454
If you are willing it would be cool to have you post about your camaro over there.

Rafedial1

05-15-2009, 07:32 PM

That is a cool project Brian. Diesel Conversions are a very educational, fun, and rewarding experience. Glad to see more being done.

I will check the link out.

no, the A/C would not have be easy, but could be done.

Joeairforce

06-04-2009, 10:34 PM

That is FREAKIN COOL!!!!!! :cool:

Rafedial1

06-21-2009, 02:12 AM

recent pics of the car....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01977.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01976.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01985.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC01986.jpg
some guy stopped me recently and asked if it was a military vehicle, lol, no joke. got a great laugh outta that one.
military meets muscle car, military muscle.

Green Machine

06-21-2009, 02:29 AM

Car looks sweet!

cellusamm

06-21-2009, 09:57 AM

Your car is very cool.

chevyinlinesix

06-21-2009, 12:08 PM

I like the third picture the best, you can see that monster exhaust on it. :D New hood looks great, is it a functional one by chance? Either way it's not going anywhere with those hood pins... if you have any trouble getting the pins to stay centered on the posts, put the pins in a vise, and bend them a little bit in the center. Maybe you know this already, or maybe it's not a problem for you, just how I stopped mine from doing that. :)

Rafedial1

06-21-2009, 03:20 PM

thanks guys
tried to go with the old big-block look with the hood :D

Will, no the hood is not functional. well it may cool the top of the radiator some at high speeds, lol.

thanks for the tip about the pins. they haven't moved much, and are the torsion style. like the ones used to secure farm implements and such. gonna go put a bend in 'em right now. :)

little update: designing a fuel door that functions as a CAI scoop for my intake. the air filter is now tucked up near it. I want to box it in and create a true ram air setup. any ideas?

here's a simple sketch of what I got so far...

WhiteK2500

06-21-2009, 03:52 PM

little update: designing a fuel door that functions as a CAI scoop for my intake. the air filter is now tucked up near it. I want to box it in and create a true ram air setup. any ideas?

here's a simple sketch of what I got so far...

I'm thinking about something similar (On my front fender through, lol) using a set of hood louvers made for jeeps.
http://www.genright.com/images/products/5pcBlackOnJeepHoods_MULTI_md.jpg

I was also gonna put some stainless steel fine mesh behind it, to keep out crap, like leaves, bugs, twigs, etc.

Help keep the filter clear of the bigger debris.

So now that I think of it... Where do you fill up if the fuel filler area is now an air intake? :D

You def think outside the box man.

Rafedial1

06-21-2009, 04:16 PM

So now that I think of it... Where do you fill up if the fuel filler area is now an air intake? :D

car has a fuel cell in the trunk area, in between the two batteries. just lift the hatch and fill.

ohh and I think I was born outside the box. :)

Edit: I like the Jeep louvers, prob work great on you truck. now if i could only find somethin like that, but circular, I'd be set.

WhiteK2500

06-21-2009, 04:38 PM

car has a fuel cell in the trunk area, in between the two batteries. just lift the hatch and fill.

ohh and I think I was born outside the box. :)

Edit: I like the Jeep louvers, prob work great on you truck. now if i could only find somethin like that, but circular, I'd be set.

Hmm... Now that I think of it...I may have something for you at work... What is the diameter of the gas door?

I'm not sure how "agressive" the louvers are though...

Rafedial1

06-21-2009, 09:14 PM

the diameter of the gas door is 6 1/4" max, something like 6 1/8" would work best. not lookin for anything very agressive. somethin low profile, yet functional. LMK

83DetroitDiesel

06-22-2009, 10:24 AM

That's one nice camaro! It looks like GM made that on an assembly line. Just curious did you put hydroboost on it.

Rafedial1

06-22-2009, 04:17 PM

thanks....I really wish GM would build a 2011 Diesel Camaro, i know I would buy it. :)

Hydroboost, no. Vacuum pump, reservoir.

WhiteK2500

06-24-2009, 05:48 PM

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=87442&d=1245876119

I gots a present for yewwww :D
Told ya I had something at work.

It's only about a 4" diameter though. (Haven't taken the measuring tape to it, I grabbed it on my way out of the shop)

The louvers only stick up about an 1/8th

And it's only thin gauge sheet metal (Might be aluminum? It's non magnetic, and I don't feel like takin a file to it to find out)

But it already has the mesh behind it like I suggested.

Not sure if it'll work out for you application, but it's your's if you want it.

Rafedial1

06-24-2009, 11:28 PM

^^^that's exactly what I am looking for! However, the 4" Diameter will not work, but it's something to work off of. If you could send it my way, I would appreciate it.

WhiteK2500

06-25-2009, 08:39 PM

^^^that's exactly what I am looking for! However, the 4" Diameter will not work, but it's something to work off of. If you could send it my way, I would appreciate it.

Well, looking at how this one is made, I'm 100% sure you can take off the filler door, and make cuts and pry up the louvers.

PM me your mailing info, and I'll ship it out asap.

Rafedial1

07-01-2009, 07:29 PM

chevyinlinesix

07-01-2009, 07:46 PM

That's very good to hear :D I can imagine that with all highway cruising, you'd do even better. What RPM's were you running going down the highway?

Rafedial1

07-01-2009, 08:10 PM

Thanks Will. It turns about 1600 rpms at 65 mph. But my alt tach is off a lil', so I can't be exactly sure. Edit: yes with a better alignment, and some tweaking on all highway drive I expect 30 mpg average. :)

I completely forgot to add, I got pulled over by a Statie. Comes up to the pass window and first thing he says, "this thing really a Diesel?" "Yes,sir" I said. "you take it down the track yet?" "No, sir". "What do you think it'll run.?" "mid 13's on a good day. "Very cool son, It looks great, and sounds really good. While I was tailing you I swore I was following a semi-truck". Me smile. You know you have no visible front license plate. "yes, sir. But I do have one inside the car, near the windshield, facing oncoming traffic." "yes, but that is not legal. Ohh and your tint is illegal" "But I REFUSE to give you a ticket, Have a nice day!"

Chevy1925

07-01-2009, 08:21 PM

haha man that is jsut AWESOME! i wish they came that way from factory!

Joeairforce

07-01-2009, 11:21 PM

sorry if this comes out in one big sentence, but I am just very excited!!! But I just got back from Columbus Ohio where my sister goes to school. We had to go down there and pick up my sister's car and bring it back home. So I drove the Camaro, dad riding with me there, he drove my sister's car home. It is 127.8 miles exactly to get there, and 122.8 miles to get back, so 250.6 miles total round trip. The drive consists of like 50 miles of open country back roads (55 mph), about 60% highway (65-70 mph), and the rest city. So i topped off the car before leaving, and when I came home I filled it back up to the top. Camaro has a 12.5 gal tank, and I only filled it with 8.768 gallons of fuel. Fuel was #2 Diesel the whole trip, with some Power Service.

Do the math and you get 28.467153 MPG. I am very proud of her now. She did great, ran great, handled great, and I even had a couple run in's with local imports and a couple rustangs. She didn't skip a beat on her longest voyage yet. Wooohooo!!! :D:D:D:D

EDIT: Screw the Toyota Prius :)

NICE!!!

Thanks Will. It turns about 1600 rpms at 65 mph. But my alt tach is off a lil', so I can't be exactly sure. Edit: yes with a better alignment, and some tweaking on all highway drive I expect 30 mpg average. :)

I completely forgot to add, I got pulled over by a Statie. Comes up to the pass window and first thing he says, "this thing really a Diesel?" "Yes,sir" I said. "you take it down the track yet?" "No, sir". "What do you think it'll run.?" "mid 13's on a good day. "Very cool son, It looks great, and sounds really good. While I was tailing you I swore I was following a semi-truck". Me smile. You know you have no visible front license plate. "yes, sir. But I do have one inside the car, near the windshield, facing oncoming traffic." "yes, but that is not legal. Ohh and your tint is illegal" "But I REFUSE to give you a ticket, Have a nice day!"

LMAO NICE!!

94C1500

07-01-2009, 11:42 PM

That is just awesome. So awesome. The Camaro is such the perfect aerodynamic vehicle to use, sticks to the road at high speed as its like one big airfoil. Doesnt take off from lift like other vehicles.

VW_Lupo_TD

07-02-2009, 07:58 PM

Rafedial1

07-02-2009, 08:47 PM

haha man that is jsut AWESOME! i wish they came that way from factory!
I agree. now if only I could sneek my way into the GM headquarters design lab for a couple hours, and "deposit" some info we all may have a chance to buy one! ;):)

damn, had i known, i would have loved to meet up !!!!
are you coming down again soon ? any chance maybe for red, white & boom tomorrow ???

I will PM you on the other site, i am there more often than here...

my sis told me about that massive city wide party. It's enticing, and I sure do love my scantilly clad women and beer. But I have a meeting with 1320 ft of sticky asphalt tomorrow. :(:D

BlueBurby1

07-07-2009, 10:10 PM

UPDATE:
Cody has been unable to make the track due to trans and wheel stud issues, He will fill you in on the technical details.

Any further discussion in this thread is to stay technical as per Cody's request. If you wish to discuss with him about anything else, Please PM him, see him in lounge, or ask him to open an off-topic thread.

-Peter

Rafedial1

07-07-2009, 11:17 PM

just got done rebuilding a 4L60E for a customer here at the shop. since that went well, and the Camaro's trans is having issues with over 100K miles of use (94 truck) and my hard 4000 miles it's time to freshen it up.

-lookin for any info on a good 4L80E rebuild kit without valvebody mods(have these). Vendors here?

-I almost want to try a full manual 4L80E, but the convenience of the auto shift is great. do I keep converter lockup with manual valve body?

-Tweaking with the tuning in the TCI trans controller software (usb-live logging), got everything right here so it is def not the issue as far as the slipping goes.

-Torque converter 1200 rpm towing will be used, the current one acts weird at times, and comes unlocked even under the lightest loads.

lookin at Hughes summit part #HUP-25LFUEL fuelmiser TC, for diesel apps. 25 less slippage? price is decent.
TCI 242910 towing TC?
Could a Dmax van 4L80e verter work behind the 6.5L?
any custom 4L80E TC builder out there?
higher stall, say 1800-2000 rpm? Car is much lighter and will eventually spend it''s time in the 2800-3800 rpm range. good idea?

Basically the trans will be built so i never have to touch it again, even after the engine build.

chevyinlinesix

07-08-2009, 12:11 AM

Cody, I can tell you my experience with the TCI "Maximizer" Towing torque converter. I have one on my TH400, and it is indeed more efficient at transmitting the engine's torque. With no other changes, I saw a solid drop in engine speed by 300 RPM at the same 80 km/h cruising speed. Acceleration in the truck felt much quicker, and it gave it much better throttle response at low speeds. The torque converter is 13" (very big) :D

94C1500

07-08-2009, 12:19 AM

Joeairforce

07-08-2009, 11:14 AM

Check these guys out. This is where I got my rebuild kit from.

http://www.transmissioncenter.net/highperflist.htm

Rafedial1

07-08-2009, 11:49 AM

I was wondering if you still had the 4L60E, I blew one of those out after about 8k miles in my stock Z28. There is a common issue losing 3rd.

Getting a 4L80E is a better option, and I have seen F bodys fitting in 4L85Es, may be worth looking at, has some upgraded parts (planetary) different drive and overdrive gearing I think.

yes, the Cam always had the 4L80E. sorry for the confusion.

-gonna keep the same internal gearing
-2.73 rear gear ratio helps my fuel mileage but is killing my acceleration. I wanted to keep the 150 mph top speed, but I sacrificed alot of 1/4 performance. Also the 2.73 has more meat to it than say a 4.10 rear gear. more surafce area of the ring gear meshing with the pinion, to prevent breakage. (I've broke 7.625" 10-bolts quite a few times, seems they like the lower numerical gear ratios).
-4L80E will most likely just receive new steels/clutches, bands, seals. looking for info on cost effective upgraded hard parts. But stuff like billet input shafts?? is that really needed?
I have already done all valvebody mods (transgo), boost valve, and separator plate.
-For $250 at cleveland pick a part I can grab a complete 7.625 rear, in any OEM gear ratio that Gm offered. What should I look for. a 3.23/3.42 or even a 3.73?
-Back to this converter. Thanks Will, I'll check out Tci's towing verter. What do you think about an 1800rpm verter, versus the 1200 stock? Not too worried about driveability.
-Joe, checked out PATC and they have great prices. I have heard good things about them before. Prob pick up a rebuild kit from them. Thanks.

-Just got off the phone with Ken at Delta Camshaft. Talked to him about cams for awhile and my "206" is being ground right now. Will get it back within a week. Unfortunately it won't be isntalled in the current 6.5L in the Camaro, adding it to the engine build in progress.

Joeairforce

07-08-2009, 10:46 PM

No prob :cool: They were real nice to deal with.

countryboy90

07-09-2009, 12:13 AM

how much is the delta 206 camshaft costing. im think of putting one in my truck.

Rafedial1

07-09-2009, 12:26 AM

Delta cam of any profile will be $137+shipping+a core cam. When you call, ask for Ken. He is a great guy and very helpful. He said there are NO piston-to-valve clearance issues with either 202 or 206 duration camshafts.

94C1500

07-09-2009, 04:27 AM

countryboy90

07-09-2009, 08:16 AM

so with a cam core do you just send in yours and get one already reground to the profile you chose or do they grind yours? what do they want for a cam core as in price wise?

Rafedial1

07-09-2009, 08:53 PM

so with a cam core do you just send in yours and get one already reground to the profile you chose or do they grind yours? what do they want for a cam core as in price wise?

Yes, they request that you send in your core cam, and they regrind it for you. Quick turnaround too. they do alot of work for the military on the 6.5L. They want the core, to keep track of it during the remanfacture. So yes, they don't have cores left over to send you outright.

turbovanman

07-10-2009, 06:09 AM

Wow, nice job, :ro):bow: Reminds me the GN with the Dmax setup. :D

A local cam grinder told me cams dont' work in our engines, other work should be done first so I am interested in your results.

without a doubt I would have had A/C if it wasn't for the weight that would be added.

You have a diesel, weight means nothing, ):h

Rafedial1

07-21-2009, 05:21 PM

thanks! isn't he a member here?.....(Diesel5) or somethin like that. love to see some recent vids of the GN....maybe some street action too..

I too am very skeptical of any gains that would come with a cam change. longer duration=more air in/out..but we will see.

I've already taken about 200 lb. of out the car, going for a 3300 lb raceweight, but not sure what she weighs right now. I drove an LT1 Camaro the other day and my car is a heavy pig compared to it.

Rafedial1

07-21-2009, 05:27 PM

engine porn.....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC02092.jpg
notice anything unusual?
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/Diesel%20Camaro%20Pics/DSC02095.jpg

Rafedial1

07-21-2009, 05:40 PM

I have the 3.42 gear in my 2WD truck and it gets up and goes plenty quick, so I would get 3.23, unless youre really just going for 1/4 mile time. My truck only weighs about 3 tons with me and some junk in it and 80 gallons of fuel. So its not too heavy.

Do you know if the camshaft has some exhuast overlap for "scavenging" during the intake stroke. Either the stock or the delta grinds? If it did have it I would like to buy one that doesnt, because I don't see how it could possibly work on a turbo diesel with 20psi exhaust backpressure when boosting, considering it would just load exhaust back into the cylinder, fresh air coming in at 10psi.

sounds like the 3.23/3.42 is the way to go. calling Cleveland pick-a-part today
not sure on the overlap for either stock or delta grinds. I got the cam back, but no cam card with it, so no details on all the specific numbers. :mad: but it's ok, this is definately not the last cam grind I will experiment with. I will be talking with Ken again very soon. :) LMS ssmoker Cam, has a ring to it...;)

chevyinlinesix

07-21-2009, 06:05 PM

Cody, I got ALL the information for a stock camshaft. I can PM it to you or post it here, whichever you prefer. :)

turbovanman

07-21-2009, 06:22 PM

matuva

07-21-2009, 06:29 PM

? Rather looks like a 1995 serpentine setup with A/C delete, and twin stat housing...

So, do I see something unusual ?
Let me think. Except the CDR and intake hoses going down under to rear turbo, correct me if I'm wrong, red wires are not spark plug wires eh? :D

Rafedial1

07-21-2009, 06:39 PM

yes, and yes....

here it is....just a little added touch to the intake. removed all the tabs, humps, and casting numbers, defects. smoothed, effectively.
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/New%20ideas/DSC01142.jpg
i know in pro racing with SB2 heads, they have to cut the intake in two to access the whole intake runner to port/grind, then reweld it back together. I know a couple very talented AL welders near here. Is this doable?

matuva

07-21-2009, 06:41 PM

Oh yeah, I see, no batteries, and you are a relays collector (see on inner fender)
That's it ? :D

matuva

07-21-2009, 06:43 PM

Cut in 2 and reweld ? May be if you have it ceramic coated inside it should do better ?

Rafedial1

07-21-2009, 06:47 PM

Cut in 2 and reweld ? May be if you have it ceramic coated inside it should do better ?

yeah. to be able to get to all the angles/nooks in the 4 outside runners with carbide bits, the intake must be cut in half.

matuva

07-21-2009, 07:27 PM

Well, I believe if the AL welders know their job, that should not be a problem for them.

BombDocDiesel

07-21-2009, 08:30 PM

The Camaro is incredible! I just read the whole thread. You do great work.

chevyinlinesix

07-21-2009, 11:37 PM

All measurements taken from .050" off the seat (industry standard). This would not have been possible without a fellow Diesel Place member (MaxRpm) You see, IDIots and DIcks CAN get along :rolleyes: :D

Intake center line = 101 deg.
Intake duration = 184 deg.
Intake valve lift = .404"
Intake valve drop @ TDC = .056"

open close
Intake = 12 deg. ATDC 16 deg. ABDC
Exhaust = 42 deg. BBDC 10 deg. BTDC

Exhaust center line = 117.5 deg.
Exhaust duration = 212 deg.
Exhaust valve lift = .355"
Exhaust valve drop @ TDC = .057"

Lobe separation = 109.25 deg.
Ground in advance = 8.25 deg.

Rafedial1

08-14-2009, 06:58 PM

mrsemi05

08-14-2009, 06:59 PM

i love this car

TedReminder

08-14-2009, 09:06 PM

Are you still interested in selling the truck the engine came out of?
I have been ready to look at it for a few weeks.
Ted

ryridesmotox

08-15-2009, 09:46 AM

Umm Wow!!! I just read the whole thread and first I must say congrats on probably the most awesoem car i have ever seen. A question though... are you running lower compressino with the boost at 20 lbs peak or did you leave the internals alone? If you are going to drag maybe get a built powerglide... I have seen builds with literally over a thousand hp/tq through them with no issues. I know its a 2 cog trans but I would pull like a stuck pig off the line with the appropriate gearing. Though the low RPM of the diesel may be problematic. Just a thought. Outstanding build thanks for the post.

Green Machine

08-15-2009, 02:42 PM

Thanks for the specs Will!

finally got around to creating my Garage here. will be periodically uploading new pics. if you want a pic of anything specific about the build, LMK.

And..........I finally turned up the IP 1/4 turn from stock and I have to say, WOW! what a difference. a little more tweaking on the trans and she can make a pass down the strip. Good luck is finally on my side.

So the car is back on the road now? To bad we couldn't take it for a ride when i was up there Thursday lol :D. When you go to the track next time, give me a call or PM and I'll see if I can get up there and maybe get your car recorded down the track :cool:.

Your car looks sweet in person though! like 10x better then pictures :D

WhiteK2500

08-15-2009, 08:25 PM

IamDave0887

08-15-2009, 08:55 PM

They say seeing is believing.... But I think hearing it would be just as great along with seeing it :p:

Gotta love a car with REAL Diesel knock!

yes indeed. :D

22eco

08-16-2009, 03:01 AM

Sweet ride I want to see that thing go down the track...

Rafedial1

08-16-2009, 03:16 AM

So the car is back on the road now? To bad we couldn't take it for a ride when i was up there Thursday lol :D. When you go to the track next time, give me a call or PM and I'll see if I can get up there and maybe get your car recorded down the track :cool:.

Your car looks sweet in person though! like 10x better then pictures :D

hey Thanks! yeah I'll give ya a buzz when I go.

Yep, I was able to compare another 6.5L NA Mech IP settings to my IP and adjusted accordingly, it's right on now.

Note: for anyone turning up your DB2 pump, DO NOT mess with the governor or anything else in the pump besides turning the fuel screw itself. I learned the hard way!

Just got back from the Woodward Dream Cruise in Detroit Michigan. I have to say it was an amazing experience. Great People, great cars, sexy woman (don't tell my gf). it was a special feeling knowing not only my car, but the engine design originated in Detroit.

The car ran flawlessly too. People went nuts over this car (understatement).
weird, but some random younger gentleman hugged me after seeing the car. He then stated he was a Military mechanic and works on 6.5s all day every day. He took pics and said he was gonna share them with his superiors. that's just one story from one amazing day.

ohh and i got my ass kicked by an 02 Camaro SS, T56, full bolt on car, nitrous. Went from a 40 roll, got me by several cars. Good guy, came in from Canada for the cruise.

If you are ever in Detroit on the weekend of August 15 next year, I demand you take the "cruise" down Woodward Ave.

As a note to myself. looked at the purchase date on my Camaro, was 4/3/07. wow, I've had her a while now, and only got to enjoy a little over 7 months driving it. The day I brought her home I started tearing it down. I forced myself to realize, if you drive it everyday (even just a v6), you won't ever do "the swap". And so I began. I also found the original brain storm for the Diesel Camaro which was written as some short notes, while in class at Wyotech Institute, in Blairsville, PA sometime in 2006. so this dream has been in the making for more than 3 years. my trip to Detroit really made it "complete"

Edit again: my join date here 4/4/07.....hmm I must have known the DP is where I belong. It's a nice "place" to be. lol

FireStarter

08-16-2009, 08:53 AM

Great Build. Awesome car. Nice job. Thanks for Sharing.

Rafedial1

08-22-2009, 11:59 PM

vid from my birthday. I wasn't gonna show you guys, and at night it's hard to see, but you wouldn't wanna repeat the things we did that night, ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C92JfgGgLes

Green Machine

08-23-2009, 12:01 AM

Haha that sounds sweet! Can't wait to hear it in person :)

94C1500

08-23-2009, 12:18 AM

Have to learn how to drift somehow

Rafedial1

08-23-2009, 11:05 PM

yeah drifting has always intrigued me. I think mid-Ohio has such an event, hmm...

well I've gotten tired of looking at my exhaust the way it is. so I decided to change it up. waiting on a couple unique exhaust pieces in the mail, then fab work will begin. I'll get pics of the pieces as they arrive, and maybe some of the work as it progresses. :rockit:
timeframe-week.

inthe future this setup will include a molded rear fascia to compliment the arrangement. ;)

so no big changes, but most of my time with this car has been spent on figuring out my trans issues,uggh.

any guesses?

Chevy Diesel Guy

08-24-2009, 03:09 AM

Sick Ride

94C1500

08-25-2009, 01:51 AM

Do you have a thread for the tranny issues? You still have those issues?

Rafedial1

08-25-2009, 04:23 PM

no thread for the trans issues. i figured since I have a standalone TCU, wiring, etc I can't really diagnose the issues compared to the 4L80E trucks.

so far, my theory is a bad RPM/tach signal converter cause irradic rpm signal to TCU, shifter cable needs more adjustment, and some issue within the tuning itself.

solutions, going to adjust the shifter cable soon, Dakota Digital Diesel tach converter on it's way, and calling TCI to discuss where i may have gone wrong in the tuning. I think the slipping issue can be resolved by all of the above as well. Then, track time!!!!

94C1500

08-26-2009, 01:50 AM

Rafedial1

08-26-2009, 03:06 AM

We can always try, we know where the inputs come from and possibly how to use them. which TCU do you have so we can look up what the required inputs are? What RPM source are you using for the input? Does the TCU require a water temp input like our stock computers?

You have a special torque converter and gearing from TCI? It might make a good thread on its own.

ok, I'll get the all the info and post it up here. no special converter or gearing. TCU does not require a water temp input. RPM source currently is from the Cam position sensor in the distributor hole (sensor stock on 92-93 DB2/mech trucks). I built my own signal converter (breadboard) and I think the RPM is off, the Tcu takes this signal and calcvulates WOT shift points. It must be off some, therefore I have to lift the throttle at WOT to get it to shift.

Update:
-Exhaust is DONE!!!!! I really commited to get it all done in one sitting. And I did, completed in under 3 hours. Cost=tips (free)+ piping (meh,$10), MAGnaflow merge($35)....ohh so worth it!

-adjusted shift cable, seems to shift better, engages all the gears better too.

-the wastegate now empties to atmosphere

Uploading exhaust pics as I type this...................vid on youtube on its way

ok, here's what i started with...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02586.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02587.jpg
and what I ended up with...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02607.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02606.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02608.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02640.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02637.jpg

Green Machine

08-26-2009, 03:18 AM

Sweet! I still can't wait to hear it in person lol!

Rafedial1

08-26-2009, 03:23 AM

Mike, here's the next best thing.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3smI4dutY

chevyinlinesix

08-26-2009, 03:32 AM

Wow, and I really thought you couldn't make your exhaust any better! Looks killer, sounds killer, nice work Cody :D

Green Machine

08-26-2009, 04:19 AM

Damn that sounds good... Love the look of that exhaust!

scruffydogtoo

08-26-2009, 09:03 AM

I love the Dog. :) reminds me of the one listening to the gramaphone many many many years ago.

mattgw86

08-26-2009, 10:54 AM

That's awesome. Your Camaro is the same color as mine. Mine just has the stock LT1 though.

22eco

08-27-2009, 06:51 PM

Sweet that thing sounds great...

Nice shop too BTW...

Rafedial1

08-27-2009, 10:12 PM

I love the Dog. :) reminds me of the one listening to the gramaphone many many many years ago.

Thanks! she's a special character I tell you. She was very neglected as a young pup, and I now give her most of my attention. the things I have tought her has turned her life around. She loves life now.

she's almost human like sometimes lol. Loves the turbo spool. she nearly jumps out of the car when boost hits hard. must sound like a mouse to her??? lol.

Are you speaking of a video or picture of some sort. just asked because I am kinda interested in seeing what your talking about.

Kills this year:
3 groundhogs (tactical, goes for the neck)
100 flys
3 toads
and a couple mice

keeps the barn nice and clean for me too.

Rafedial1

08-27-2009, 10:22 PM

That's awesome. Your Camaro is the same color as mine. Mine just has the stock LT1 though.

Nice. I love the look of the LT1 F-bodys. just an LT1? sir, you have a great powerplant to work with. don't let those LSx guys get you down, they are a critical bunch. There are LT1s out there just as fast as the LSx engines. It's good to see more F-body owners here at the DP. Keep her clean and drive hell outta it! Have fun!

Chevy Diesel Guy

08-28-2009, 01:08 AM

I wanna see you run this rig on Pass Time, you would definitely get the radical vehicle of the day award

max 02

08-28-2009, 01:46 AM

X2 That would be fun to hear the times they would quote.

Rafedial1

08-28-2009, 11:18 PM

Pass time???

Update:
received the Dakota Digital Tach Interface Unit. thought i would share some details.
Part # DSL-2
Was gonna start a thread addressing the advantages/options of installing the tach interface unit on 6.5s, but i just put it here.

I thought since a true accurate tach/rpm signal is required for my TCU, this was the only way to go. my homemade signal converter was also not working correctly. This will hopefully solve my trans WOT shifting issues.

This signal converter can be used for other addons like RPM controlled Nitrous, meth injection, boost controllers, you name it.

A few quotes taken from the instruction manual (couldn't get clear pics)

"This unit can provide a tachometer signal to drive a standard ignition system tachometer (common gasser). The input signal can be from a tachometer output from the alternator or from a gear tooth sensor reading the flywheel teeth."

I chose to go with the flywheel mounted sensor.

A bracket needs to be made to bolt to the block, and hold the sensor close to the teeth of the flywheel. do that, run a few wires, calibrate it using a timing meter. Done.

Inputs for ALT signal:
-12 volt acc power
-ground
-Alternator "W" terminal (one on 6.5 truck alts)
Outputs:
-normal 8 cylinder tach signal
-high voltage 8 cylinder tach signal

Inputs for Flywheel signal (my method of choice):
-12 volt accessory
-ground
-each terminal of sensor to Sig-GND and Sig-Out
Outputs:
-normal 8 cyl tach signal
-high voltage 8 cyl tach signal

I will be installing this sometime this weekend, I'll take pics of the install (which will be very similar to 6.5 trucks) and report back.

Horse-Power

08-28-2009, 11:26 PM

Pass time???

Its a gameshow where people bet money on how fast a car will run a 1/4 mile etc, they usually have one off cars on it so I'd almost guarantee that if you applied they would let you run.

You ever get near Indiana give us all a heads up so we can spot the beast!:D

Rafedial1

08-29-2009, 12:13 AM

that's interesting. don't have digital cable box, Speed tv right?
still got some bugs to work out. And to be honest with everyone, the day I show up at the track, I will not settle for slower than a 13.5
so little tweaks and changes (up PSI, fuel, shift points/pressure) are important to achieving that. I have faith the 6.5 can run 12s, but that will be next year. All I want is streetable 12 sec IDI, is that too much to ask?

here's a pic o the Diesel Tach Interface, and sensor...
should be able to make out the small writing (inputs and such) LMK
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02646.jpg

adi4

08-29-2009, 05:19 AM

It will be interesting to see your results, I have bought the same unit for when I eventually get round to putting a 6.5 in my Corvette :D..

Ps good work..:thumb:

Rafedial1

09-11-2009, 12:41 AM

It will be interesting to see your results, I have bought the same unit for when I eventually get round to putting a 6.5 in my Corvette :D..

Ps good work..:thumb:

Thanks.
there is no update on the Tach interface install, havent touched it.

however, in the quest for a cooler intake charge i will be relocating my air filter to the fender well, and adding a louvered gas door for direct cool air.
timeframe: 2 weeks. here's a pic of what i am workin with....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/GasDoorOrdered9-11-09.jpg
all aluminum. not sre what is was originally intended to do, but it will be painted black for now, and eventually color matched. how would i attach it without using bolts/rivets,etc?

I am not 100% sure on this design, but it was cheap and somethin to work off of. i dont want somethin stickin out past the car much.

should i box the filter into this?
here;s a shot of the current location....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02621rusty.jpg
unibody reinforced

adi4

09-11-2009, 07:51 AM

Thanks.
there is no update on the Tach interface install, havent touched it.

however, in the quest for a cooler intake charge i will be relocating my air filter to the fender well, and adding a louvered gas door for direct cool air.
timeframe: 2 weeks. here's a pic of what i am workin with....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/GasDoorOrdered9-11-09.jpg
all aluminum. not sre what is was originally intended to do, but it will be painted black for now, and eventually color matched. how would i attach it without using bolts/rivets,etc?

I am not 100% sure on this design, but it was cheap and somethin to work off of. i dont want somethin stickin out past the car much.

should i box the filter into this?
here;s a shot of the current location....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02621rusty.jpg
unibody reinforced

Good work :),
There is a sealer that we use in the bodywork trade called "PU sealer" it is a polyurethane sealer/glue, and it stick's just about anything to anything else, I have fitted bodykit's on cars before now with it because the owner didn't want me to fix them on with screws/rivets ;).

You could make an "airbox" in the trunk and mount the filter in there and just pipe from there to the turbo, and from the box to the vent in your rear fender:rolleyes:.

When I see pics of your car I so want to get started with my 6.5 / Vette conversion, just too busy at the mo tho :(.

Adrian

Phily

09-11-2009, 01:41 PM

What kind of fuel mileage you get w/ this beast?

clindt

09-12-2009, 07:25 PM

That car puts a smile on my face. Love the turbo whistle.

duramaxdiesel224

09-12-2009, 11:11 PM

That car puts a smile on my face. Love the turbo whistle.
lol

pgore

09-13-2009, 11:16 PM

That's a unique maro for sure - great job. Do you get better mileage out of the fuel or the tires?

Unknown303

09-14-2009, 09:52 PM

SO this happened after watching those videos from your youtube account....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4

littlepilot89

09-15-2009, 01:07 AM

heck yea if pass time is ever near you go on id love to see that. and i have been wanting to take a fox body mustang and put a cummins in it this give a lot of ideas....that wont happen for a long time though not till i get money

INASpaceman

09-21-2009, 12:13 AM

Man, I love the way that sounds!!!!

Rafedial1

09-26-2009, 07:28 AM

seems as though I've been slackin lately with the car...pickin the pace back up today, starting early. Tach interface will be installed, finally. not sure if i'll get to the calibration of it. But it's getting fabbed a sturdy bracket that I'm most concerned about. it's a Sat. I think I'll take it easy though.

Also things I have done recently:
adjusted hatch to get better gap, small aero mods
new front tires, slightly larger aspect ratio, wider
finally got my alignment issues squared away
removed a little weight ;)
trans tune refinement (mostly shift points, now based on partial MAP pressures)
-mpgs have returned to previous 30 mpg avg 50/50 since the tune
If I get far enough I may work on my new hot pipe (3 to 2.5")

OT, my Father frequently asks me why I must continue to refine and reinvent the car and everything I do in life.
He just didn't say it that nicely. :o:

I think I would be bored if I didn't. :)

Plus it's kinda nice to work with a new platform or genre within the auto industry. Not just the same old same sbc's and such. don't get me wrong I love them. but the 6.5 gives me that challenge I desire. So here I am. I'll prob still be messing with this thing 20 years from now. it's never really finished is it? I'll never sell it!!!! your gonna have to kill me first....

ohh and something truly evil maybe in the works for the car. something has been found that I cant pass up. an opportunity worth exploring...

94C1500

09-27-2009, 04:01 AM

Rafedial1

09-27-2009, 10:51 AM

So did all the mechanical injection pump 6.2/6.5s have an engine speed sensor in the distributor hole, looks like they are $200. can the TCMs use the hall effect crank sensor that the electronic injection PCMs use to control the tranny?

I believe any mechnical 6.5 and 6.2L that used the 4L80E trans, did have the ESS sensor. th400 and 700r4 wouldn't apply as they arent e-trans.

Yep, they are expensive.
Are you talking about the crank sensor in the front of the engine in the 94-2000 trucks?

so your asking can the 92-93 TCMs be run from that crank sensor? If so, then no.

But there is a thread here that solves the issue of converting a 96+ Obd2 truck to mech injection. He used the factory PCM combined with the APP to control the 80E. Pretty cool actually.

if I totally missed your question...i apologize. :p::)

94C1500

09-27-2009, 12:44 PM

Thats exactly what I was interested in. Thanks, and I hope your ESS fixes your shifting issues.

Rafedial1

09-27-2009, 05:03 PM

Well, i am extremely glad to announce, all my WOT shifting issues are SOLVED :D !!!!!!!

The Dakota Digital Tach Interface finally gave me that tru RPM signal it needed for the TCI trans computer. Also I solved some of the slipping I had between shifts. the trans is still obviously tired.

I took her for a cruise and decided to do a 0-100 run on a "closed" road near me. She feels really quick. shifting at 3200 rpm. And now that I am able to hold the throttle down without lifting to shift, the boost stays much more steady at 15 psi.

So what does this mean? It is time for her to get a baseline 1/4 mile run. I am really excited to see what she runs in the current form.

I'm gonna head to the track As Soon as the next test and tune is scheduled. wish me luck!

mrsemi05

09-27-2009, 05:13 PM

good luck man and cant wait to hear how she dose

Big Windy

09-28-2009, 11:10 PM

Looking forward to seeing some numbers , cool project That stupid Barry Meguires in my head " Your car crazy"

chevyinlinesix

09-29-2009, 02:50 PM

Can't wait to see what your car runs Cody, best of luck to you :D

Rafedial1

09-29-2009, 08:24 PM

thanks guys. the track was rained out today. so no updates on that.

I finished the gas door for my CAI. I did end up using the 6 inch louver i found on Ebay.

here's what keeps me warm in the winter time. wood/pellet burner with a squirrel fan on the back. Easy on timber and keeps it steady 70F....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02919-1.jpg

the point of no return....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02922.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02925.jpg
I like the silver, but it looked tacky, so black she goes (first coat)
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02936.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02938.jpg
end result, it is riveted. (last coat yet to be applied)I have not yet moved/boxed the filter into this area. Still have to find a way to seal the inner fender so i can place the filter right next to the louver door....prob wont get to that until next month or so...I wish i could log IATs. damn...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02944.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02941.jpg
also here's the Grant GT steering wheel i isntalled last night....($40+install kit)
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02928.jpg

Rafedial1

09-29-2009, 09:18 PM

the finished product. it will eventually be body color matched. I kinda like it black though...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02946.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02945.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02948.jpg
I'm getting better at taking pics now...thank God

Total cost so far....$20. when finished it will be $30 meh

and yes I am sick in the head. lol

Rafedial1

09-30-2009, 08:45 PM

made it to the track tonight....
Norwalk, Oh

a few specs for the car.
Db2 4974, 1/4 turn
Hx35w, 15 psi max (and crazy turbo lag)
275 street tires
2.73:1 gears, OEM locker
Weight....???full tank of fuel, maybe 3800, need to get her weighed
4L80E shifting at 3200 rpms
no engine internal mods, no head studs
L65 intake
intercooled

First run right off the street, 14.621 @93.32
2.131 60' (chitty I know)
temp 60F
DA ????
made three more runs within .1 sec and similar mph, but this was the best of the night.
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02958-1.jpg
Vid...(looks like she's running out of fuel up top? wtf? need to go more on the IP)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcJcKkNr1Fg

chevyinlinesix

09-30-2009, 08:51 PM

That's damn good Cody, I feel 12's are not far off for you :D

adi4

10-02-2009, 06:21 AM

:exactly:

Seeing that vid only makes me want to get on with the 6.5 Vette conversion :D

I would say that you could run more fuel for sure :whip:
Looking forward to seeing you in the 12's

Adi

OCD

10-05-2009, 08:12 AM

That is just wild. Very impressive swap and I can't wait to see how it does at the track once you get the meth kit installed ;)

Dan

Rafedial1

10-06-2009, 09:29 AM

^^Thanks Dan for the great service and price! can't wait to install it.

thinking about a set of Drag radials fo the track. But considering there is only a good couple weeks left before the snow falls I am gonna wait till spring to make any more runs (maybe). I will drive this car during the winter, believe me.

afterthoughts from the track.....on the 14.6 run, I only brake stalled to 1000 rpms to keep from roasting the tires, but the car does have excellent weight transfer. DR tires will be needed to get that 1.8 60' I'm looking for.

The heat soak from the steel exhaust pipe is killing my IATs. notice right off the street she is 0.10 sec quicker (cold pipes)
normally with these rear mounted turbos, the cold charge piping is aluminum, mine is steel. Less heat dissipating properties. Also the 16 gauge thickness doesn't help either. This is where the meth will come in and help. not sure what mixture to run what would you recommend?

OT, ohh how I would love to raise my RPM limit/shift points. the turbo really starts singing at 3200. I need more rpm, DieselPro???

2.73 gears in the stock 10-bolt is killing my accel. With a taller rear tire(27.8" DR) and 3.23s I can still squeak out a decent trap speed, and help out my 1/8 performance. Looking for a nice one w/locker currently. If I can find one for $200 I'm gonna snag it up. Damn...I should just sport for a bolt-in furd 9", but at $2500 setup and shipped. F*** that.

Note: I shift into overdrive before the end of the 1/4.

updates: The hot pipe is getting reduced this weekend to creat more heat for the turbo, and much better spool time.

engine build update....
well, I was waiting for the "506" engine in the car to blow as a reason to move quickly with the "599" build. not that i want to see the car down or waste a good engine, but it's just what I planned on happening before/during winter. so why remove a running engine?
She routinely sees 3200 rpm, E-day/A-day. I never knew how tough these old 6.5s can be, even the squirters.

random comments about the car.....
more and more I notice how easy this car is to work on. I can service all (8) glows/injectors with EASE. plenty of room, if you can believe it. No turbo manifold on the pass side to work around. The fuel filter/lift pump is inside the car (what???) and drains out side easy changing. I never thought about any other motor than the 6.5 for the vehicle build, but now I am really glad I did.
I havent had to buy one single part for repairs. All expense has been fuel, oil, and filters. Saved me alot of money, that i can use for more important things, like bills (and speed parts :))

Rafedial1

10-07-2009, 10:20 PM

updates (everything below is 75% done, just need some final touches so no pics till tomorrow)
Exhaust
hot pipe has been reduced from (2) 2.5" into 3" up to turbo to (2) 2.5 into 2.5" up to turbo.
I am hoping this increases the combustion heat going to the turbo.
What do I expect from this?, slightly higher EGTs, faster spool, and more max PSI. right now I can't get past 15 psi and the EGTs are always low. must be the low load (car weight). damn this rear mount turbo! I'll figure it all out this winter while I have some down time.
The 40mm wastegate will also be relocated to get more "priority", to prevent boost creep and surges. still vented to atmosphere.

Intake
the air filter will be relocated to the fender well to coincide with the louvered gas door for direct cool air

Fuel
the mech IP will get another 1/8 turn

not done until next week (if work is slow)
-Snow Performance Stage 2 WMI injection will be installed
-a little weight removal
-a set of 275/45/18 Drag radials for one final track pass before winter. I am hurrying, but it gets colder everyday.
-boost 18 psi

with all these mods I am looking to easily crack the 13's. :D

not easy working when you have a hernia. :mad:

Ot, I have to confess, I have an addiction.
I have searched a long time to find myself a project that never ends. it takes away from my sleep and makes me tired during work hours. But once that first wrench is turned I can't stop.

EDIT: 10-8-09
here's the finished fab work for the hot pipe (y-pipe)
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02981.jpg
(up-pipe)
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02980.jpg
Air intake...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02990.jpg
full hot pressure side together...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02986.jpg
inner fender view (panel removed for fitment/viewing only)...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02989.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC02988.jpg

Rafedial1

10-08-2009, 07:14 PM

update...got through 2 easy detail vehicles today and decided to spend the res tof the day on the car.

installed a OEM headliner and A-pillars. I also purchased a 3 gauge pod for it. Eventually i will have to relocate the two Cobalt gauges (boost and trans temp)currently in my dash to make room for the radio. The third pod will be for lift pump fuel pressure.

CAI intake and exhaust are done, waiting for paint to dry. see previous post for pics.

94C1500

10-08-2009, 09:01 PM

Rafedial1

10-08-2009, 10:38 PM

I think youre on the right track making it smaller exhaust pipe into the turbo. Obviously the greater pressure differential across the turbo the more boost it will make. Did you have the wastegate fully closed to try to get more boost?

I had the wastegate completely shut off and still couldn't push past 15 psi. That is what made me wonder.

Just got finished with it and installed. WOW what a difference, the turbo almost sounds like a vgt at idle. it's raining and late here so no drive. But letting her warm up outside, the turbo spooled faster and faster every 10 deg h20 temp. big improvement! :D
it was a risky, but wise decision.

about the CAI, my god. something evil I tell you. You can hear and FEEL the intake sucking air through the louver gas door. sounds like a vacuum. I even water tested the area and had good results, no leaking or spray on the K&N filter. Theory into reality=True Ram Air!

I cant contain myself. :D

Rafedial1

10-12-2009, 08:43 AM

well I still have issues pushing past 15 psi. I HAVE to be running out of fuel. If I am running out of fuel, lift pump gives plenty of flow/psi, the IP is not giving me any more. I have a 3/8' fuel supple line direct to IP and plenty of room to flow in the entire fuel system....

Call it a fail on my part, but i purchased a Stanadyne Db2-4974 from a local company and I instantly got suspicious. Why, because the IP had NO Stanadyne genuine tag on it. But he assured me it was a True Marine spec pump and I got a 1 year warranty, so I took it. only paid $395, gave 'em a core 6.2 DB2. so I am not out alot of money, considering the Genuine Marine Db24974 run around $1400 new.

What do I think? I think I was deceived. I believe I got a regular Db2-4911 pump and THAT is why I can't see past 15 psi.

It has been a year, waranty is up, the car runs like a rapped ape, but not like it should with a supposed "250 hp" pump with a 1/4 turn. what do you think?

Could my bad blow-by be pushing the comp past the rings and preventing me from seeing more than 15 psi?

my EGT's don't go past 900 deg, ever? seems like when i go past 2500 under hard acell, the car just doesn't gain any more power?
I had my father run up the road at WOT in her yesterday and she barely even has a haze of smoke out the exhaust at 15 psi. I expected this Db2 to be a little more smoky?

Injectors are newer, around 8k on them. Besides the IP, the rest of the fuel system is setup to flow well over 300 hp/20 psi.

I am gonna speak with Peninsular and get the right IP on this thing. I'm an IDIot.
The car performs well under any normal driving situations, but as soon as I push her a lil bit, she gets irritable and cranky......women...

I really need your opinions guys!

chevyinlinesix

10-12-2009, 01:37 PM

Rafedial1

10-12-2009, 07:34 PM

I haven't really been around these engines any longer than you, but I have never seen an injection pump without a Stanadyne tag on it. Without that tag, I don't know how you would ever tell what pump it really is, without taking it apart.

I don't think your blow-by would effect it enough to stop it from moving enough exhaust.

Where is your pyrometer located again? If it's up near the engine then the exhaust going through turbo must be really cold.

I'd say you are running out of fuel... but having a haze that you can see during the day should be enough. What about turning up the fuel on the injection pump more, and if you don't feel an increase in power above 2500 RPM or no noticeable increase in smoke at 15 psi, than you can be certain you are not getting enough fuel. (It's just like the old trick of tuning carbs, if you put bigger jets in and get no more fuel, than your fuel system is not up to par)

i agree. I'm gonna turn up the fuel here soon and record results. I'd have to say, a 14.6@93mph with a 4911 pump would be very good.

pyro is in the flowmaster merge section of my exhaust. so it is some way downstream of direct comb temp. I chose that area to get a combined EGt of both banks. wise...not sure. But not sure how much difference there is. so if that's the case...another 4 foot down the pipe is the turbo. and temp there....who knows?

I really have a feeling the new engine will supply all the exhaust energy I would ever need for a set of turbos.

Gotta solve this fuel issue....which means $1400 :mad: before I even begin the 599 build. I need to buckle down, cuts some costs (gf)

Rafedial1

10-13-2009, 08:02 AM

first thing on the list today is getting the car weighed. this will be the baseline number to compare to after the winter "lightening".

updated my build sheet , which is my comprehensive list of every single $0.01 I spent on the car with part #s, measurements, notes, specs, etc. not gonna get into any solid numbers on cost, but...

including the cost of the 94 Camaro, 94 c2500 donor and all parts up to date was cheaper than it cost me to buy a 1999 Camaro Z28/T56 back in April 2003 (car was since sold and then totaled). so it can't fit in the "budget build" category, but the debt isn't a "monkey on my back", it's all paid for and for awhile now.

it's the girl and my CC that has random $100 charges that's killing me. :eek: sometimes she does buy me car parts, with MY money. how does that work?

my overall goal was to make the car perform as well or better than the same year LT1 Camaro. so far so good...

WMI is here!

Rafedial1

10-13-2009, 09:33 AM

not gonna drive the car today. i checked out the balancer and crank pulley this morning on a hunch and they both look questionable as far as condition. Both OEM new are already on there way. I am not taking any chances of a broken crank or other engine damage.

btw thanks Green for that Part FAQ thread...

I should just go for the fluidampr but I will need a new(er) balancer after the 599 build to balance the engine with it first, then install Fluidampr, correct? so for $55 i went for it. Why is the crank pulley more??? you would think its the other way around?

so many things to do, so little time....

thoughts about the new hot pipe. i should have built the exhaust like this in the beginning, big difference in spool time. Gave me higher EGTs, but not much more max EGT.
more and more I know this IP is not enough.
just got off the phone with Peninsular and a new pump maybe on its way sooner than I thought...

double047

10-13-2009, 07:39 PM

Subscribing to this totally sick and kicka$$ thread.

Great job on this project.

I love it.

dmaxkid_90

10-17-2009, 05:15 PM

thats a nice car you got there

Rafedial1

10-17-2009, 07:20 PM

^^Thanks guys!!!

update:
got the balancer in today. Wasn't bad. also put in a new front main seal.
The balancer came off with a simple/common ducksfoot puller. installing, I used an old balancer bolt, hacked the head off and welded another bolt thread to the end so I could draw the balancer in tight and even. Perfect!

but i did notice the old balancer was detoriorated, but the outside had not rotated/shifted on the inner part. (Timing mark lined up with two crank pulley holes, thanks migniteplowboyy!) so it was still ok to use, but I just went ahead and replaced it anyways.

Also installed a Mr. Gasket lift pump fuel pressure gauge (mini gauge) $20
noticed 5-7 at idle and 4-5 at WOT. good there!! now i can watch it to, and make sure I never burn up my IP or otherwise. it is also after my Fuel filter, so I can always know when/if my filter is clogged or starting to clog. Cool!

One final thing I did today was check my injection line fittings at the injectors....they have found there way loose a couple times since the car has been done. All of them are easy to get to...except #7 (right? driver's rearmost?)

Well, I hadn't touched the lines since even before my 1/4 mile run and now i regret it ALOT. becuase that fitting was loose and that cylinder must not have been firing for a month or so!!! WTF i am an idiot! (it wasnt leaking fuel to the ground, not obvious, but still I am dumb)

tightened it up and the car idles smoother, builds more boost, and my egts went up. must make a BIG difference having the cylinder heat from that one cylinder. Wow, NOW the cars runs great. I can even see 18 psi (quickly adjusted back to 15 on the 'gate). but boy was 18 psi fun!!!

The car feels real strong now. Ready again for the track?...yes!

mods to test at the track...
new hot pipe
cold air intake
1 additional cylinder LOL :o:
no other changes

Rafedial1

10-17-2009, 11:19 PM

went out for a cruise and filmed some vids..it's dark and the ride alog vids came out shitty, workin on it. Track is open tomorrow...if the weather holds out I'll have some better times. hopefully i can get her to hook??

I never get a chance to hear her rev(always the operator/driver), so I had the girl do some "testing" for me....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6Uu4B1fgzU

Denali02

10-18-2009, 01:14 AM

so cool!!!

94C1500

10-18-2009, 01:23 AM

Even better...well done. Good find on the injector leak. My truck gets plenty of blowby and plenty of oil mist with 599 block and no issues reaching 18psi even with the GM4 I used to have with 3.5" exhaust.

I think you need them 3.42 gears like I have in my truck stock, they work really well, I can get over 100MPH at like 3200RPM and not nearly at the max output of my DS4 IP. I wonder what speed Ill be going when it hits 4500RPM :) The 3.23 will at least be a lot better than the 2.73, which is also in my 97 LT1.

And you were right about balancing the engine first then installing the fluidampr.

I wouldnt push more than a 20% methanol mix, and not too big of injectors, maybe 600cc/min @100psi, two 300cc injectors ideally and keep the water pump under 150psi, because I see leaks in the push connect fitting after that.

Rafedial1

10-18-2009, 03:54 PM

^^thanks for the info on the wmi

just got back from the track. it was freakin cold today. nobody was hooking up and some guy smacked the wall early in the day. totaled his car too. i was nervous after that!

my first run was the best again....a 14.60 @95.7 spinning through first gear and a 2.34 60 ft.
Imade the mistake of running with only a 1/8 tank of fuel (less over axle weight) and the new hot pipe sure does work in the low rpms, killing my chances of decent traction. Drag radials are now a HAVE To thing=$400 :mad:. Mph is up which is good. A good 1.8 60' and similar conditions should get me outta the 14s, no?

Rafedial1

10-23-2009, 11:57 AM

after talking with a Snow performance Wmi rep, I have decided to send the WMI back. my EGTs never reach past 950 deg, and my iats are cold enough, so cooling the boost is not a concern of mine right now. The power from the added methanol would be great, but not cost effective $450 for 20hp, mmm I'll pass. this money could be spent better elsewhere, like the IP. I should keep it for the future, but I've had the kit for 2 weeks and still havent installed it, so I take that as a sign.

sorry to say guys, no updates until spring for the Camaro. I have really busted my ass the last couple weeks and it's taken time away from my regular life. So I need a break. this will allow me to think things through and come back real strong in the spring.

Also, I have to find a Daily for the winter.....looking for a reasonably priced 6.5 turbo truck. Prefer the 4X4 SC/LB 92-93 2500hd truck that's clean. PM me if you have something.

ohh, I am taking the day off today! its hunting season and I need to do some scouting.

1990CamaroRS

10-30-2009, 04:59 PM

my god. i remember over on FSC you asked if i wanted to buy this car. now i really wish i had the money to do it!!!!

screw the 377ci sbc, i'm stuffing an LB7 in my RS :D

Rafedial1

11-18-2009, 02:41 PM

just got back from a 2 week trip to MI deer hunting/harvesting Christmas trees. stayed at my grandpa's farm and had a great time. now it's back to business here.

Since i was driving through Grand Rapids area on the way home I thought I would stop in Grandville, MI home of Peninsular Diesel. I have been speaking with them for awhile about how the 6.5 works and how I can improve the Camaro. I thought I would mention that I had a great time and learned alot. I got to speak with some very intelligent and professional guys/gal. They have a very clean and efficient operation. They too love the 6.5 as much as I do.
here's some pics of one of the showrooms....
yeah that's a 6.5 under all that marine hardware
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03086.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03087.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03088.jpg

mattthebrat

11-18-2009, 07:25 PM

SOOoooooo.....you didn't happen to sneak one of those motors out under your shirt did you?? :D

I am sure I could find a use for one of them!

countryson74

11-18-2009, 08:00 PM

i so want 3 of em

EXTREMESRT8

11-19-2009, 12:27 AM

Great progress and ingenuity on the car man! Looks great. How did you like the Blairsville campus of wyotech? I went to the laramie campus (graduated in 04)!

Rafedial1

11-19-2009, 01:42 AM

05greendmax

11-19-2009, 02:18 PM

rafedial 1 where u from in ohio

red1500

11-19-2009, 07:44 PM

my first run was the best again....a 14.60 @95.7 spinning through first gear and a 2.34 60 ft.

Hey Rafedial, I watched your 1/4 run on YouTube a few times (where you are running against a white Cavalier) and it was sweet to watch it for the first time. I was real anxious to see what you'd run for a time and 14.6 isn't really that bad for the little you have done to it. You have the pump turned up a little and do you think you lose boost because of the length of your piping/having the turbo under the car? All I have to say is you have a lot of room for improvement and it would be great to see you do a time in the 13 frame. I also wanted to ask can you get yourself a lower rear gear ratio for the rear axle in the car? Reason I ask is the 2.73 probably held you back and if you'd step up to 3.42 or 3.73 you'd have better off the line acceleration, with quite possibly a better ending 1/4 mile time. Just my .02 cents, but either way I'd love and be real excited if I could see the car in person once. That would be awesome.

Rafedial1

11-19-2009, 08:39 PM

Hey Rafedial, I watched your 1/4 run on YouTube a few times (where you are running against a white Cavalier) and it was sweet to watch it for the first time. I was real anxious to see what you'd run for a time and 14.6 isn't really that bad for the little you have done to it. You have the pump turned up a little and do you think you lose boost because of the length of your piping/having the turbo under the car? All I have to say is you have a lot of room for improvement and it would be great to see you do a time in the 13 frame. I also wanted to ask can you get yourself a lower rear gear ratio for the rear axle in the car? Reason I ask is the 2.73 probably held you back and if you'd step up to 3.42 or 3.73 you'd have better off the line acceleration, with quite possibly a better ending 1/4 mile time. Just my .02 cents, but either way I'd love and be real excited if I could see the car in person once. That would be awesome.

Thanks. I truly do appreciate your helpful opinions!

Yeah, I think the 14.6 was ok. Honestly, it felt great just to race a car I completely built down the track for the first time. I finally got a lil satisfaction that day.

Boost issue is mostly my lack of IP fuel. but the 16 feet of boost cold pipe definately doesn't help.

So since the Snow WMI rep I bought from didn't have chit for a return policy, and in a effort to further reduce my turbo lag I will be designing a complete new cold pipe, with about 7 feet chopped off of it. It will no longer use a ATA intercooler, and instead I will make use of the WMI in her.

This will do a few things for me.
Weight-prob lose about 30lbs just in piping/brackets/intercooler core/etc
Spool time
my IATs will not increase, only decrease from this mod

Gearing...yes I have not decided on whether a 3.23 or 3.42 would suit me better. I really wanna keep my highway mpgs, but I also want that dig at the track...but yes there will be a change over the winter.

All in all I am excited to get started.

I will be traveling next summer, hitting up all the mid-states in the Camaro to do a little camping (pulling a trailer,yes) and racing. maybe you'll see me.

EXTREMESRT8

11-19-2009, 11:09 PM

Thank you!

I actually visited the Laramie campus when I first became interested in Wyotech. I chose blairsville simply for the distance, and convenience. Otherwise the Laramie campus seemed a more well oiled machine, while b-ville was just getting its chit together when I started. overall a great learnign experience. But that being said...I am a mostly self-taught individual. so i would rather never gone and spent that time/money on tools and a project like my Camaro and learned/spent an equal amount....huh...kinda funny now that I think about it.

Ha that's crazy. It's funny, out of everyone i went to school out there with, maybe 1 person actually does that kinda stuff for a living. Most everyone i know just do it for fun and have had the same after thought as you, including myself. I could have bought a shit pot full of tools and done a lot for what that school cost.

countryson74

11-19-2009, 11:11 PM

im at the lararmie tech campus and its pretty cool, they arent all that well organized here, as well as yad think at least. 4 more weeks left. ill find out soon if in yalls boat or actually do work on what i learned

Big Windy

11-19-2009, 11:18 PM

Hit the Snowies and doo some sledding!!

countryson74

11-19-2009, 11:19 PM

if i had a sled i would trust me

Big Windy

11-19-2009, 11:22 PM

I forgot about the club your in !!

countryson74

11-19-2009, 11:24 PM

point taken

EXTREMESRT8

11-19-2009, 11:28 PM

The knowledge learned there was good. Lots of grounds and bases covered... but Nothing that working a year in the industry wouldn't teach you, while you made money instead of spending $$.

The overall experience was great either way... lol do they still call you "techers" and are frowned upon by towns people?!

countryson74

11-19-2009, 11:30 PM

i wish it was mor heay equipment than otr tho

Big Windy

11-19-2009, 11:30 PM

The cops love the revenue too!!

countryson74

11-19-2009, 11:44 PM

we keep the streets paved

Rafedial1

11-28-2009, 03:15 PM

^^lol yes I agree. plenty of ticket money for the courts.

well big changes are coming for the car....

I have ran hundreds of scenarios through my head. Trying to finally get my turbo system to perform as it should. I have considered rear twins, rear twins compound. 1 Rear Turbo, 1 front centrifugal.

After talking with soem fellow Diesel heads...I have decided to run one front
charger with some meth.

This will rid me of over 100lbs of my turbo system...and along with the weight I had already planned to remove off the front....that will give put me back at about even distribution Front/rear, and still less overall car weight.

The plan:
-relocate the radiator forward (common f-body mod)
-flip rad e-fans to the front of radiator/or buy pusher style
these mods will give me the room between the radiator and front crank/water pump of the engine to squeeze most any turbo i have in mind.

flip my N/A 6.5 manifolds forward...build uppipes to merge...with a brace attached to frame to hold weight of turbo/reduce heat warpage/movement.

I have it all drawn up...figured out the weight/room issues and I can ditch this pesky rear mount turbo.

Already have the pipes/metal and anything else I need to complete the fab.

Update:
was able to remove one of my 2 batteries and still have all the amp/voltage to start even in cold 36 deg f weather. so that will stay out. Now I have a convenient place (2nd batt box) for all my WMI chit. cool.

Ohh and that useless weight of a roll bar will prob be cut out. I had intentions of road racing it.. but never did. So that 40lbs is out too.
for sure getting her finally weighed in monday before any cutting begins.

It's an like an addiction when I pickup that cutoff wheel. useless..it's got to go.

Rafedial1

12-01-2009, 06:20 PM

update:
a charger has been selected.

after much research I have chose the Holset HE351VE vgt turbo. I have had good success with the Holset brand and have been intrigued with the vgt technology since my father purchased his LMM Duramax. Since i already had Hptuners pro I started messing around with it on his truck. really liked the tunability and low rpm boost performance.

I am trying to make this whole turbo system, including the charger the last setup I would ever need for the car.

The turbo will be controlled by a mechanical wastegate actuator from a HX-35w holset. don't ask me how I'll make it work, cause I am still not sure lol.
I may still use the external wastegate (not required) to prevent any spike's over 15. Eventually it will be removed when i can dial in the vgt actuator.

The rear mount turbocharger concept is a joke, that has way too many quirks for me. I don't get it. :)

should I do it?

countryson74

12-01-2009, 09:37 PM

if you can figure out how to get the vanes to operatte properly i think itd be pretty sick and one of kind even more so than it already is

94C1500

12-02-2009, 02:48 AM

Limiting to 15psi?? ;)

Rafedial1

12-02-2009, 10:55 AM

yeah, controlling the boost will be the most difficult part of this project. Building the hot/cold side is the easy part for me.

I'd love to find a way to use the computer box that comes on the turbo, have it linked to 6.5 MAP table....that's just a pipe dream though.

so a mechanical control of the vanes is the only realistic approach.

I dont want to limit to 15 psi, but i still have stock/untouched internals.

The engine will be left in the car for the turbo system fab and testing. Once that is all sorted out I may leave the engine in to race next season (a comp/leak down test will show for sure).

I budget a certain amount to spend on the car, the complete new turbo system will only cost me about $150. Yes, that number is correct. heck, I will be selling the Holset hx35 and Synapse 'gate (prob) so I'll end up ahead on money. you all can see why I do what i do now.

Going quick on a budget.

Rafedial1

12-09-2009, 03:41 PM

here's a list of the modifications for this winter/spring. I was planning on a full engine rebuild, but at this time there is no need. I'd really like to see how far i can push a stock/somewhat stock longblock anyways. The following are now set in stone.

Radiator relocation-standing the radiator up 90 deg vertical. Moving it forward alot and down a bit. This will require mod of the core support (upper and lower). At this time i will also be removing my IC/heavy bracket, and cutting the front horns off the unibody for weight reduction. Pusher fans wil be mounted on the rad front. This should give me 6-8 inches between the water pump/crank pulley and radiator.

Turbo system-complete system has been removed to convert to front mount.
As of now I am using a 6.5L turbo driver's manifold on the pass side (flipped) and a 6.5L NA pass manifold on the driver's side (flipped). (2) 2.5" hot pipes into a merge for the he351ve flange. A brace will give support. Depending on the height of the oil drain, i may not need my Mocal Turbo oil scavenge pump. Either way, the oil will drain to the factory location like the trucks.

WMI-will be installed in my spare battery box. looking to set it for start flowing at 6psi. 625 cc/min??

A 3.42 locking rear axle will replace my noisy almost blown locking 2.73 axle. This will limit my top speed with 27.8 tires (planned DRs), 3.42 axle, 0.75 trans gear, 3400 rpm to about 110 mph, calculated. If I need more trap speed, I'll increase the max rpms.

I think this will suit the car very well, and doesn't conflict with any other future/current plans.

Trying to keep all of this under $1k in cost. we'll see.
Buy
-WMI +$425 (stg 2)
-3.42 axle +$250
-holset vgt+$150
-flange+ $30
-pipes/metal (free)
-M+H DR tires (free) Yes!
Sell
-hx holset sell $150
-synapse gate $120
-mocal pump $100

and the labor is always free :D

94C1500

12-10-2009, 02:17 AM

With the 4L80E in OD, at 3400 RPM with 3.42 gears I was doing about 118MPH :)

Just #2 diesel with 2-stroke oil in it.

With a Gear Vendors unit it would give another gear inbetween each gear and after OD.

Rafedial1

12-10-2009, 02:13 PM

^^that's the advantage of having a taller truck tire. As you know tire diameter plays a great role in the end top mph. At first i thought the 2.73s would keep me from having to use 4th gear at the track (less shift time) and the 4th gear has alot less holding power. But, that's pretty much impossible for me. I've been looking at different 4th gear ratios for when the trans needs a rebuild.

so the 3.42s and rest of the new setup can carry me into the 13s as far as trap speed, then when I am able to increase the RPM limit (valvtrain mods) I can trap up to 120 if needed.

OT, I am an extreme newb when it comes to drag racing. Heck, I've only been down the track about 10 times in my life. twice with my old 99 Camaro Z, once with my 04 Silverado, and now a few with the D.C. What I am saying is I am discovering there is alot more to getting a good time than making power.

Gear ratios, tire size, shift points, traction, rpms, weight among other things can really improve your times almost as much as increasing power. It's also alot less expensive.

i am having alot of fun just making little changes to the car and imporving my fab skills at the same time.

Update: found several others who have used the he351VE turbo with a boost actuated wastegate controlling the vane collar inside the turbo. With a little tweaking they have dialed them in

quirks....there is a EB exhaust brake mode. If you let the vane collar arm to move to far, every time you let off the gas it will EB the engine. So it will need a place where the arm stops(limiting) travel into EB mode.

Also these turbos have been tested to 40 psi and 170,000 rpms shaft speed.

Other info on the turbo...it has coolant passages, but they are only for cooling the electronics.

Turbo has the ability to provide a 3cm exhaust housing closed vane collar, all the way up to 25 cm exh housing open vane. Quite a large area to work with. I am guessing I will use 3cm-10/12 cm of the turbo area.

Basically a vgt acts the same as a wastegated standard turbo. It will limit the shaft speed by not using excessive exhaust gas. vgt just has a more accurate/efficient way of doing that.

Also, as I mentioned the possibility, some have used an external wastegate in combo with vgt to further control max boost.

Rafedial1

12-12-2009, 09:59 PM

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03100.jpg
here's the old turbo system complete. never realized how much piping it was, kinda ridiculous. I am amazed the turbo even spooled how it did. Can you say turbo lag? lol what a waste.

If you notice it contains no hangers on the hot side. The cold side only has 3 brackets. Everything fit so snugly, the turbo/engine is moutned to the body/frame so no movement to take into consideration. Very minimal hardware required (bolts/clamps). The coldside is almost one big piece, if you dont count the intercooler.

You can also see the IC, bracket, and part of the unibody frame have been removed. This will make way for relocating the radiator. So far, it looks pretty easy to do. the hood latch might be removed to make room. I not sure I really need it anyways with the hood pins.

new pipes will consist of about a 1 ft cold pipe, and 4 feet of hot side, much less volume to fill. :D

Also, some of these old pipes will be recycled into the new system. Every other part you see will be used eventually in other projects.

I might start some fab tonight...who knows.

Rafedial1

12-13-2009, 12:12 AM

here's the current rad location...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03105.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03106.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03107.jpg
rad removed, that's all for tonight...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03119.jpg
new core support will be built. Rad is going forward and down.
this pic shows how much room I should have(no cutting yet)..
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03124.jpg

Big Windy

12-13-2009, 09:12 AM

Necessity is a mother , sounds like mom (mod on mod) has a better plan , less lag , more boost , more cooling !

Rafedial1

12-13-2009, 08:42 PM

Necessity is a mother , sounds like mom (mod on mod) has a better plan , less lag , more boost , more cooling !

yep!

the added cooling isnt needed but i guess it will be a by-product of the relocation (never thought about it till you mentioned, thanks!).

working on it tonight made me even more confident in my "theory" for the turbo/rad location.

I know have 9 inches between the rad and crank pulley. As much as I expected. :D
here's a couple pic of the progress...
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03126.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03127.jpg
this is the room I ended up with. pusher fans will be mounted to front (still searching for part#s)
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03138.jpg
new upper/lower core support will be built, trying to design one that is "bolt-in" for easy servicing under the hood. Still pretty rough on that part. no more progress till next weekend, unless my work is slow. Gotta keep busy in this chitty weather.

DEdiesel

12-15-2009, 07:59 PM

Nice work

Rafedial1

12-19-2009, 10:35 PM

^^thanks!

got to work on the hot side merge today. I dont have the holset vgt yet, but I had the flange so I thought i could get a head start.

here's the process....
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03190.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03195.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03194.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03198.jpg
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu203/Rafedial1/DSC03201.jpg
not planning on fully welding till the turbo gets here
other updates:
I found out the driver's side 6.5 turbo manifold will work flipped onto the passenger side head. It also does not interfere with my serp belt system. so that's done. I'll try to get a pic up of what it looks like.

The existing driver's 6.5 NA manifold will stay. I tried to get a couple other manifolds to fit, flipped em even. no luck.

So I have to 90 the 2.5 hot pipe and tuck in between the motor mount/oil pan. plenty of room, but will not be same length as pass hot pipe. not a big deal.

waiting for my turbo to arrive monday
since I scheduled no work this week. i have 22 hours in a day to work on it. counting a nap only cause i have to. maybe a nice hiss for x-mas?...lol, we'll see. gotta have a few less beers a day to get that done.

Rafedial1

12-22-2009, 01:56 AM

well, its a tight squeeze, but it fits. :D

cold pipe is gonna be easy. old 4 inch K&N fits on the new turbo (save $40), old oil drain also is the same (save another $30) as the hx. This turbo came with a cast exh outlet. gonna cut it near the v-band and weld a nice dowpipe for it. since the turbo is mounted high enough, I am gonna let the oil gravity drain. So now for sure I can sell the old Mocal scavenge pump (+$100-120).

here's my only issue. Where in the hell do i route my exhaust?. No room ito go through k-member or under/over. chit...

Edit: I did have to move my coolant overflow res (where filter sits), goojng to the pass side. not hard.

everything is just tacked so far.
I was able to build a nice sturdy triangulated mount for it, thatr bolts to the frame. Holds all the weight of the turbo.

got an inch from the radiator. hopefully it wont increase ECT. if it does I guess I'll have to splurge on a turbo blanket to keep the heat contained.

got another full inch between turbo and belt/accessories. somehow gotta fit the mech wastegate in there. that's gonna be a nightmare! :eek:

other comments on the turbo. This thing is heavY, about 47 lbs. I took the turbo apart and cleaned the slide collar, it moves more freely now. kinda worries me that these things clog up with soot, and that effects the collar movement, not the best design. the part I like is how the collar's volume actually changes the housing cm^2.

I think i bit off more than I can chew with this retro wastegate on a new age vgt. It will take alot of work to get it right.
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countryson74

12-23-2009, 03:52 PM

that is a very sweet setup you having going. you should see a good power increase after getting rid of the 50' tubing ya had before

Errant

12-23-2009, 07:28 PM

1st Post!

Congrats on a great build mate! Love the concept and execution. I've been toying with the idea for years for my ride and your project has given me that little extra push I needed to undertake it, cheers! Only problem is I'm in Aust and virtually nobody has knowledge of these engines, so I'll learn it all myself (better anyway) and they are quite expensive, I'll have to import one from you guys. I'm a Diesel Mech by trade but I've never owned one haha! It's about time!

Good idea about front mounting the turbo. I think it will be vastly better and seem like a different engine due to the significantly lowered lag time. Response will be much much better.

With regards to your exhaust, have you measured the clearance inside the inner guards to see if you can route the pipe through that? I did that once when I had the same issue with room to fit it in so I cut two holes in the inner guard and ran the pipe in there (used a heat shield and wrap to protect the tyre/strut from the heat too) and back out on the inside rear of the guard to join the exhaust.

You could also put your welding skills to the test (I'm envious of your welding skills already...) and make a custom shape pipe (straight sided oval) to ensure proper clearance etc.

Congrats again and keep up the good work!

Rafedial1

12-24-2009, 01:48 AM

that is a very sweet setup you having going. you should see a good power increase after getting rid of the 50' tubing ya had before

thanks. I can not be sure on the power increase, dealing with so many dif variables/changes in the next couple months. so I wont be able to tell exactly how much better the vgt performs versus the previous setup, besides what i see at the boost gauge (and how quickly it comes in).

and yes, anything is better than that subway tunnel I had to fill with air. :lol: less volume=quicker spool

reminder for myself: I have no interest in ever seeing a dyno with this car.
1st Post!

Congrats on a great build mate! Love the concept and execution. I've been toying with the idea for years for my ride and your project has given me that little extra push I needed to undertake it, cheers! Only problem is I'm in Aust and virtually nobody has knowledge of these engines, so I'll learn it all myself (better anyway) and they are quite expensive, I'll have to import one from you guys. I'm a Diesel Mech by trade but I've never owned one haha! It's about time!

Good idea about front mounting the turbo. I think it will be vastly better and seem like a different engine due to the significantly lowered lag time. Response will be much much better.

With regards to your exhaust, have you measured the clearance inside the inner guards to see if you can route the pipe through that? I did that once when I had the same issue with room to fit it in so I cut two holes in the inner guard and ran the pipe in there (used a heat shield and wrap to protect the tyre/strut from the heat too) and back out on the inside rear of the guard to join the exhaust.

You could also put your welding skills to the test (I'm envious of your welding skills already...) and make a custom shape pipe (straight sided oval) to ensure proper clearance etc.

Congrats again and keep up the good work!

thanks. glad to hear you are going ahead with your project. I am glad I can direct my crazy imagination/addictive person/ADD/OCD into something constructive. otherwise I'd be out doing drugs and have no job, like the rest of my grad class town.

cool to see the "aussie" influence around here. you guys def have a large racing following.

no worries...we have the DP to come learn all we want about the 6.5. stick around...the 6.5 aftermarket is emerging strong. and we are all here to help.

exhaust...I still have no clue what to do. it will be a surprise! :D

small update: WMi is isntalled in batt box. tucks in nicely. just need to plumb the nozzle fitting in charge pipe when that gets welded up

worked on the hot pipes today. Got everything situated and about 50% done.

Big Q's:
what size is the oil pressure inlet on the holset he351ve turbo? thread pitch/size, WTF!!! need it quick!
where can I buy an addition egt sensor bung (just the bung)? (EDIt: found one for $6 shipped on ebay)
should I use a exh flex coupler in the hot side? (keep in mind the engine has SOLId motor mounts, so little to no movement even at full torque/launch) do I need a flex coupler. both sides of hot pipes too? shit it dont need to flex but.....hmm

ohh and the most recent edit, topic, Ebay. for anyone that's a hater of ebay. look again I prob built 25% of more of my car from deals on ebay. I have all the receipts to prove it. what i do is email every seller about any item I am insterested in, evena random question. Just to gauge his communication skills and how well he reacts/treats his customers., that in addition to their feedback rating (I only deal with 98.9% and up). this usually guarantees a snooth transaction/good product. just a tidbit of what I've learned.

Dracor85

12-24-2009, 10:04 AM

Rafedial1

12-24-2009, 08:04 PM

I dont know if you have figured out how to route the exhaust coming off of the turbo but I had a idea. It might be a bit of work but what I was thinking is if you could flip the turbo around so that the exhaust outlet of the turbo was facing the the passenger side you could run the pipe up over the shock tower and down and out through the normal location that the exhaust would normally run. You could flip the intake manifold so that it was facinng the driverside and then it would hook up to the turbo in the same mannor that you have it set up right now just reverse. Its a bit of a shot in the dark here, I couldnt tell if you have room behind the shock tower to snake the hot pipe past the motor but it might work. Good luck Rafedial1!

Justin

everything above would work and is a great idea. BUT, one big issue would be the upper intake. I cant rotate it to the other side (firewall/cowl clearance) and cant cut/flip it either (mech IP throttle bracket/dual therm).

BUT, if I cut the cowl out some, and fitted one of those nice Peninsular uppers I would be set and avoid all obstructions. hmm.....

interesting, cause the turbo/bracket I built could be mounted on the drivers side with relative ease (symmetry). and i do have that room on the pass side to route my downpipe near the bell/starter and take it all the way to the back of the car.

I guess now is the time to make this decision...

edit: thanks Justin! you may just saved me alot of work.