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: Ran out of fuel now glow plugs will not work


braddunagan
02-25-2009, 06:52 PM
Well I tried doing a search with no luck. I was testing my new 52 gallon fuel tank and almost ran out this am. I barely made it to the pump and shut off. Once I filled up I forgot to prime the pump and filter. I turned the truck over allot before I realized. I primed the pump and had someone give me a jump. I had to have them spray starting fluid while I turned the truck over allot before it started. I noticed the glow plug light never came on. It finally started and ran fine. Went to work and when I got out and went to start the truck. It wouldn't start again. I turned it over allot before it finally started. I think it only started because it was warm today. I have checked the fuses and don't see one blown. I need help on this my car is already tore up right now so I need my truck! HELP!!!

DURAtotheMAX
02-25-2009, 06:55 PM
your glow plugs are fine, I guarantee it. Even with the GPCM completely disconnected it should still start fine in 50* weather.

problem is you need to prime it again; theres still air in the fuel system somewhere.

JMO

DrHolliday
02-25-2009, 07:05 PM
your glow plugs are fine, I guarantee it. Even with the GPCM completely disconnected it should still start fine in 50* weather.

problem is you need to prime it again; theres still air in the fuel system somewhere.

JMO

x2
most the time when its 60+ outside my glow plug night never even turns on.

braddunagan
02-25-2009, 07:37 PM
Is there any other place to bleed air out of the fuel system? I only did the filter but if it has air in it I don't know where to get it out. I re-checked the filter and it is all fuel!

DrHolliday
02-25-2009, 08:19 PM
You only have a hard time starting it after its sat for a little while? The filter might be loose or possibly the old gasket is stuck. Could even be a slight leak at the WIF sensor on the bottom of the filter causing air to get in while the truck sits making it hard to start.

Bryanshadow
02-25-2009, 09:08 PM
for the heck of it, load test your batteries. if you did the pump on the filter prime, just cycle your ignitions a few times to prime from the fuel sending unit in the tank to the fuel filter.

braddunagan
02-25-2009, 09:11 PM
You only have a hard time starting it after its sat for a little while? The filter might be loose or possibly the old gasket is stuck. Could even be a slight leak at the WIF sensor on the bottom of the filter causing air to get in while the truck sits making it hard to start.
No this all started this morning when I basically ran out of fuel. The truck was barely running when I made it to the pump. It took forever to get it started but when I did it ran fine. Then when I went to leave work it was hard to start. I have checked to be sure there is no more air coming out of the filter bleeder valve. It is pure clean fuel coming out. Now when I crank the truck it turns over way to much before starting. It has always turned once and fired right up but not now. The filter and o ring are fine.

DZZ71
02-25-2009, 09:18 PM
When i ran mine outta fule i had the gf sit in the truck and turn out over while i primed the hell outta it. After a few cranks and sputters from the engine she fired up and had no issues after that. Maybe that starting fluid did somthing 2 it i dunno....

DURAtotheMAX
02-26-2009, 02:07 AM
for the heck of it, load test your batteries. if you did the pump on the filter prime, just cycle your ignitions a few times to prime from the fuel sending unit in the tank to the fuel filter.

you do know theres no electric fuel pump on a duramax right........? ;)

ben

series60
02-26-2009, 09:23 AM
I had to have them spray starting fluid while I turned the truck over allot before it started.

FYI: This is from the 2006 Duramax diesel owner manual.

http://www.thecyberguy.com/temp/startingfluidwarning.jpg

JimmyDel
02-26-2009, 10:05 AM
Starting fluid is very dangerous. The intake path is big with the turbo, charge air hoses, and huge intercooler. It is easy to fill this large volume with the starting fluid and when the engine catches, a big slug of it will enter the engine and cause it to overspeed. Get out your checkbook once that happens.

Double check your installation of the new tank. Since your symptoms indicate a low pressure fuel line leak, and you recently made big changes to that system. you most likely have an air leak. Any leak from the fuel pump back to the fuel tank will introduce air and make re-priming necessary to start.

saratoga
02-26-2009, 11:29 AM
Ether will turn the plastic intake pipes inside out before it does any engine damage, esepecially if the grid heater kicks on. I've read where people with dodges found this out the hard way.

Coolbreeze
02-26-2009, 03:25 PM
I would go with what Jimmy Del said. You always have to start at the obvious. You messed with the fuel tank so that is likely your problem. What type of tank did you install. I heard that Titan's got to leaking so I was thinking transfer flow!

braddunagan
02-26-2009, 09:38 PM
Well thanks to all for the advice but I got up this morning and it was fine???? I went out and let the truck idle for about 30 minutes before I went to bed. I guess any air left in the system pumped out. As for the starting fluid you should never spray it before starting. You turn the motor over then spray. It is damn near impossible for anything to build up and explode in the intake with that much suction pulling it in. As for the owner manual it also says don't do allot of things that people do. They would much rather you bring it in to the dealer and charge you a couple hundred bucks for the dealer to "fix" the problem. Think about it, don't believe everything you read.
Thanks to all.

skleppy
02-27-2009, 11:49 AM
As for the owner manual it also says don't do allot of things that people do. They would much rather you bring it in to the dealer and charge you a couple hundred bucks for the dealer to "fix" the problem.

While I agree to a certain point with what he says there, I would use starting fluid on my truck as well...but not ether. If you run it out, use some WD40 and spray that into the intake. It'll start on the WD, until the fuel from the pump takes over. The truck will run "on the can" sort of speak until you stop spraying. Solves the problem of using ether and trying to get your truck running again.

DrHolliday
02-27-2009, 12:35 PM
you do know theres no electric fuel pump on a duramax right........? ;)

ben

Not stock, but the OP has an AirDog 150 in his sig.

Bryanshadow
02-27-2009, 01:34 PM
nice catch Ben, and nice aid Chris for postin before I got the chance to check back on this post. :) just makin sure he didnt have the low fuel symptoms of his lift pump was all, air anywhere is a problem, good feedback guys

dduck
03-04-2009, 12:04 AM
FYI: This is from the 2006 Duramax diesel owner manual.

http://www.thecyberguy.com/temp/startingfluidwarning.jpg


I was with my buddy in his '02 Cummins and we ran of diesel out in the middle of Egypt.

We ended up using starting fluid spray in it even though it had the exact same sticker on his engine....we were both really nervous about using it but it was the ONLY thing that made his truck crank, and no negative side effects occured.....dumb luck I guess.