Yet again



I'm hoping for something minor but I fear it is more.This isn't a good time, unfortunately.


Here's where I'm at ,I'll listen to suggestions.I haven't called Suncoast yet.

I have noticed it has taken longer to engage in D or R.More predominate when cold but still present after driven and sat for a short period.It has also felt like the brake was applied while backing and sometimes forward,slow to move.

Well today it has gotten worse.After a idle time of ten minutes,truck had only sat for 3/4 hours.When I hopped in and selected R and it was like it was in neutral.I went for drive and indicator was blinking,truck would not go forward.I pulled shift lever down to 1st and back,indicator stopped blinking and truck lurched forward after rolling backward.


Ride home truck shifted fine and still barked the 3/4 shift after rolling into it in second,in Tow Haul mode. Mind you I drive in T/H mode 90% of the time.

Self Diagnostics.

1)No high transmission temps beyond what has been normal.I will say yet
2)Fluid level is good.
3)Fluid (Mobil Syn) is tinged brown,has been for awhile.
4)No TCM codes,I scanned.


It is my belief I have converter failure .I think the converter isn't filling and possibly and not draining properly.Seems lately the drag at the stoplights has increased after complete stop,something like a bump that pulls you forward.That is my first guess.This is the reason it went to Florida Nov of 03 for a check and freshening.Diagnostic was Boost Valve hang up in pump housing,fixed and C1 was upgraded.The dark fluid makes me think also drag or slip in the converter.

What to do? I figured I throw it out there,maybe I'm over looking some thing obvious,but I doubt it

You might try a spin on filter as that will when plugging cause what you are seeing. It is also pretty easy to change just to make sure.

You might try a spin on filter as that will when plugging cause what you are seeing. It is also pretty easy to change just to make sure.

Yes,thanks for the reminder,I was going to try that I have one of those white ones on there. :eek:


I'm kidding ;)

I could only wish that was it.The tinted fluid has my concern,seen it before :(

I got a spare Allison filter if you need it Mack

Well it's going to be one more time and the last for me.Bank on it

Fluid is as dark as I aspected,filter is clogged must likely and there is enough fuzz to beard a doll collection.


*uc* it I'll call Suncoast in the morning see what's up...

I knew it,I for one, could almost smell it

Mac

It does sound like a converter clutch failure. This is rare for any of the big boys but it happens. I would send the converter back to Joe and have him look at it while you check the front rotating assembly and C3. I would not bother with C4 unless you had a bad 1-2 shift. Joe will take care of you. I know this is inconvenient but it happens. Wish you were closer to me :eek: ; what the hell did I just say? :D
mike

Appreciate it Mike.

When the transmission comes away from the motor which it will, it will be crated and sent some where.I don't have the time nor the "lift" anymore to do myself unfortunately today next week and so on.

My play time truck time is very limited.

I have to speak with Joe and see what we can do.I am anticipating the situation is going to be taking care.

My play time truck time is very limited.


join the crowd ..........good luck with the fix .....let me know if I can help

My friend had this same problem with his '01 GMC D/A Dually. After buying a new allison for the truck, he still had this problem (same problems you described) and eventually decided to take it to the dealer. The problem was not with the transmission but with the transfer case. Im not sure exactly what it was but I know it was a minor internal t-case problem. I'd recommend checking EVERYTHING before replacing the tranny. Should save you alot of time and money. Hope that helps

gmperfomance03,

Mac has an after market tranny and converter.

His truck is special and I think he's way beyond the dealer now.

Mine did almost the same thing and the dealer replaced the safety neural switch and the problem went away. hope your problem is that easy!!

.............. Boombastic, fuzz does not grow back in the Allison. Once you see it, it's downhill from there. ~i.e. Rebuild of some kind.

I always get a slight amount of fuzz on the mag. not gobbs but when you wipe the mag with a rag you pull off some grey onto the towl.

Mac, this is what happens when you leave her parked all the time .Lack of exercise or maybe ..............I'd say its just that time of the month!;)


You Play You Pay !:idiot:

His truck is special .

:muahaha:

Fluid looks like Coco-cola,NO CODES,wish it were as simple as a NSBU.

No time to call Joe,truck is still rolling. Have to get the wheels in motion to avoid a stranded position.

That is never good.

Back inside tonight Broker, I'm afraid to drive it,that should keep you amused.

Run with it

I always get a slight amount of fuzz on the mag. not gobbs but when you wipe the mag with a rag you pull off some grey onto the towl.


It was a whole lotta lot of fuzz. More info soon,to busy to deal with it today.

Sorry , Mac. I just had to rib ya a little !;)

Just plain sucks......I hate when I have something down. Particularly when I dont know where it's gona lead ! :(

I talked to the friendly guy in Fort Walton. He told me what I needed to do.He isn't speculating till he gets in there and it's my belief I've done to much and maybe I'm rethinking my original reason of why now.

What ever went wrong ,it did.Funny thing is sep for the sloooow engagement in forward and reverse and real dark fluid you wouldn't thunk it was broke.Runs like a bat out of hell.

First chance I get it'll be out. Wish I had a substitute at my business as I'd love to drive down and deliver it and see. When I find my camera battery charger I'll post pics of fluid and spin on.

Still driving

He isn't speculating till he gets in there and it's my belief I've done to much and maybe I'm rethinking my original reason of why now.

Still driving


Inquiring minds want to Know.....

I hope it gets resolved MAC.........Pepper needs to protect her turf...........so no Dodges and Fords come and stink it up on ya...........:p:

Pepper? Who is this Pepper? I have heard no mention of Pepper on the DieselPlace. I have heard of Silver; she is parked in front of my house. ):h

My upcoming problem is now my problem.Things accelerated today and it is now parked.Has forward motion but I would consider it in permanent limp home mode

It is not converter failure as originally thought.There is a TCM code but who knows what it really means.By the look of the fluid it probably is debris that is causing the code.

Calling Joe back in the morning

Oh man that sucks. Hope you get it going soon. We all want to know what the outcome is. Good luck.

I'm sure Suncoast will stand behind it. There is no video of you posted here drag racing or sled pulling so it's not like you have actually used it in competition or anything.

If they don't, I'm sure IBDMAXIN can recommend a different trans company, I think he just went through some warranty issues on a DIY. :D

Be interesting to see the outcome..................................
Hope its in your favour!

Mackin - Hope things work out. Did you purchase your Suncoast as a complete unit or in kit form? If in kit form was it a DIY project or installed by an authorized tranny shop? Reason for my questions is that I want to get some insite on warranty, it's my belief that kits aren't coverey by a warranty--am I right? I can understand this because the vendor can't be responsible for the kits installation?

Joe will take care of you I'm sure. Hope you get her back on the road quick.

Edit: you think it was a converter letting go and trash through the trans wiped other stuff? Probably hard to say once stuff starts flying around and stuff starts getting cooked......

Mackin - Hope things work out. Did you purchase your Suncoast as a complete unit or in kit form? If in kit form was it a DIY project or installed by an authorized tranny shop? Reason for my questions is that I want to get some insite on warranty, it's my belief that kits aren't coverey by a warranty--am I right? I can understand this because the vendor can't be responsible for the kits installation?


Started as a kit,but Suncoast had it last in Florida to do the C1 upgrade in Nov of 03? ,should be warranty in my opinion.At the time it was 2 year unlimited HP. The kit I would have to assume be installed by a Suncoast approved installer.Otherwise your on your own as I'm Not sure what the policy is today..

When I screwed up the first go round I paid for parts at a very reasonable cost and Joe shipped me a fresh converter.I paid freight,labor,gaskets.fluid etc..

Joe had supplied parts on my kit once when I cooked C1 with approx 100 miles on it and I supplied freight,labor,fluid,gaskets and lift time,same converter.

When it was in Florida I paid freight both ways and for another C1 upgrade at the time.Things were rapidly changing

I have more coin in mine to date then probably anyone but them boys in SC.

Problem is I haven't really raised the bar yet.I'm ready but......I need a transmission some 3 years later

I haven't found the problem but I have found the solution.


I have decided the next transmission on my truck will be a ATS and Co-Pilot all the way! Although I was offered a Suncoast warranty in Florida,it just wasn't good enough for me,as I have already dumped enough money in that slushbox.


Although this will cost me more I feel I will be taking my Allison where everyone desires to be,from what I'm hearing.

I am looking forward to my upcoming look and DRIVE at my new Purple Baby when she arrives!

So get ready Boys,
You know what they say if it's on Tomac's truck it gotta be good and it's coming to CT. :D

For those who helped me behind the scenes I am forever greatfull to you. When it's time :hail:

So get ready Boys,
You know what they say if it's on Tomac's truck it gotta be good and it's coming to CT. :D



So does that mean you are also gonna ditch the TTS Extreme and go back to a Quad/Edge Stack?):h


:lol:

So does that mean you are also gonna ditch the TTS Extreme and go back to a Quad/Edge Stack?):h


:lol:

No Mike and I are not going to run the same programs. One thing I will say is Cole has a serious tranny eater of a program.Take all of winter out and all rain days,NO driving.

Guess that's what the waiver is for ;)

Sorry to hear your troubles Mac.

I hope your next venture is more successful. It sucks to be broken!
(Not that i have EVER been there...*L*)

So get ready Boys. :D

WOW .....................................:Wedgie: WHAT AN INTERNET SC WEDGIE !

Sorry to hear your troubles Mac.

I hope your next venture is more successful. It sucks to be broken!
(Not that i have EVER been there...*L*)

I know this next venture with ATS is what I need and I do predict success,don't take my word for it just look around here.

Mac, I'm really dissapointed. If you want to jump ship, don't try and convince everyone "why" you did it...... just do it. As a mod on this site and a SunCoast owner, I think your diminutive comments about a site vendor should be stricken.

However, As much as I don't want to, I will agree that the last build should have held up. ......... I've seen Jess and Buck fling wayyy more than you've ever had at their SunCoast.....and it still lives. Actually, I think that SunCoast has the Duramax/Allison 1/4 mile record at the moment...don't they?


-------edit, record in stock form on diesel only, as well as stock form + drugs.

My ATS felt strong the whole way down the 1/4 with a but load of nitrous, I think I was more worried about the motor then the tranny!!!

I think you'll be happy with your new purchase, I am. ATS also stood behind their product even though I did the labor on the trans, for this they are top notch in my book!!! :ro)

(I am in no way trashing Suncoast, I think Joe is a good guy and think he makes good stuff, I just haven't delt with him directly to share my experience.)

I agree with Burner, especially if what Joe (from Suncoast) said in his thread (before it got closed) is true.

That's a big :flipa: :nutkick: to what Joe and Suncoast are doing down there in Florida.

Dan

I agree with Burner, especially if what Joe (from Suncoast) said in his thread (before it got closed) is true.

That's a big :flipa: :nutkick: to what Joe and Suncoast are doing down there in Florida.

Dan
Was it shut down by Mackin???? I think that would be abusing his power unless something was said that was against forum rules!!!

Don't think the Mods should shut people down just because they have a problem with a product. :rolleyes:

I believe sp33d shut it down because he was the last to post on it, but I could be wrong... I don't know the details nor do I want to, but if what Joe said is true about a deadline and such, then Mackin should be put in the timeout corner for awhile... I know he's a moderator and all, but that is kind of crossing the line regardless of who you are. Just because a product doesn't work for you and the product's maker does everything possible to make you happy doesn't mean you should trash the product.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't play that way and where I'm from you will get your @$$ whooped for being that way...

Dan

let me get this straight if something carries a warantee its allowed to break???
:wtf: it broke Mac decided the warantee wasnt gonna cut it. he may be a mod but there are others who will mod him if necessary. was pc allowed to rant about his uni???? same deal was offered a replacement but said no thanks. we need to hear the bad as well as the good, its a big ******in secret when something breaks. il like to know the down side of things too.

I don't have a problem with Mac turning down the warranty. I was just shocked about what Joe said in his thread and that Mac basically threatened him, which is a direct attack against his business considering how many people on here are possibly looking into getting a suncoast tranny in the future.

I don't have a problem with anyone saying anything about a product (good or bad)... I guess I just didn't agree with the threat, if Mac did indeed say something of that affect to Joe.

Dan

Where would the comment come from if Mac did not...er... "tell" Joe?

Cheve.......... how old is the trans? Were it not botched to begin with, would it have lasted...donno? Warrenty starts from the date of install, right? On the first go-around Joe could have said "sorry"....but he didn't. On the second go-around he could have said "sorry"...but he didn't. On the third go-around he could have said "sorry" ...but he did not. Mac got a break every time, a big break. What would happen if an ATS or DTT was installed by the untrained? Would there even be a "third" time?

"Dealer install" has merit......... this is why.

i honestly don't think either of us are qualified to speak to that. the only two people who spoke with eachother were the two parties concerned and they are the only ones who know what was/wasn't said. why speculate? this could be done all day and you'd never get anywhere. i haven't seen mac come out on the forum and threaten suncoast. people disagree all the time. that's life. also if he used his super-duper-moderator-power do you think he'd be throwing down the coin for a different tranny?

likewise, if my tranny blows up (tts converter & suncoast clutches- which it hasn't) should i hide that fact from everyone here for fear of damaging someone reputation? of course not.

the thing you guys often forget is there is a lot more that goes on than you know about, myself included so i chose to stay out of it.

Burner and the rest,

I'm sorry you feel that way.I didn't close the thread that Joe Web started nor do I care quite honestly.Chad did and I respect his decision along if he or Nick grow tired of this one also.I haven't gone public with my griefs,Joe did.

Yes I wanted Joe in my eyes make it right and I didn't want it to linger on.I was a paying customer he chose not to help me in the way I felt I warranted.What am I to do? After that thread continue to support his product?Kiss and make up? Sorry I cannot and will not and you cannot blame me or anyone for that matter.

I didn't bash him PERSONALLY or his product that failed multiple times on my truck regardless of his or my doing on this or any forum.Never did,so why the heat.He also brought a friends name in that has helped me out considerably,that sucks and really hits low!

I simply stated I wasn't going to dump anymore money in that slushbox,what more do you want from me? I had in access of $5000 dollars with NO success.I also stated he offered a warranty delivered in Florida. Again it would have been additional funds on my behalf,again,to make that happen.I didn't think I was getting fair and equal treatment others had received.

Sorry guys my Suncoast days are over,I am out from under the bus.It's their lose not mine.I am not a jumper I was pushed!


That's all I have to say unless someone or others want to pursue this then lets take it to PM's.


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I have been following these boards and everyone was afraid of the firm shift,including me,know everyone wants it.Everyone I know is tweaking the Suncoast tranny beyond how it comes and is considering adding ATS's Co pilot to make crisp shifts.I am going direct to the source of this combination a full ATS transmission.

I have contacted who is one of the best I feel in the business to build me a tranny I will finally have the confidence to take to the track and KNOW I will be able to drive it home when the day is done! Something I have not had in the last three years,confidence.



I look ever forward to my summer rolling the power thru my ATS transmission.

Have a nice day.I hate being a moderator :(

Just to set the record straight, Mack did threaten me with starting a negative post if I did not agree to his demands. I will be glad to post his pm if needed.
I just decided to beat him to it. He brought in his friends name, not I.
Mack NEVER purchased a complete Sun Coast unit. Most of his expense occured because of his own imcompetence. I guess he is looking for someone to take responsibility for snap rings left out, incorrect bolts etc. It doesn't matter what amount of money he spent, it was all a result of his own actions. I would estimate I probaly donated in excess of $2500 to mack in parts and labor.
If I sell someone a kit and he installs it incorrectly I do not consider it to be a warranty issue. Warranty covers defective parts and/or labor period. The parts were not defective, mack furnished the labor. What warranty?
Mack, best of luck on your new trans I just hope you are not installing it yourself. The only mistake I made was not charging you for all the free parts and labor I gave you.
smoop

Mac, why don't you give the ATS the same shot? Why don't you install this one from the ground up? ):h

Mac, I see your frustration ...but the threat.....now that's low class. :o:

^kac^

Mack,

I think it would be a good idea if you were not a moderator, (8,000 post-gimme a break) since you evidently used this position to extort preferential treatment from a vender. The big problem arose when you presented me with a "do this or else" ultimatum. I will go the extra mile for anyone but I won't take a step under
threat. If I want advertising I'll pay for it. LINGER ON ? You started telling the world about your tranny woes on 04/12. When did you finally contact Sun Coast? All this and you still don't know what is really wrong with your trans.
Smoop

Mac, why don't you give the ATS the same shot? Why don't you install this one from the ground up? ):h

Mac, I see your frustration ...but the threat.....now that's low class. :o:

Burner

I don't know what your interest is here other than to instigate negativity. If you have questions of me you are welcome to PM them to me.I never claimed to be an expert things happen. Pros make mistakes everyday

I would like a full warranty and if it takes a closed case full drop in to get one that is what I chose to take now.

What you perceive as a threat is just that. I took no action openly as I felt it was unnecessary and I thought to be the bigger man in this unfortunate situation I am in.I certainly am not going to sit behind a monitor and call people incompetent,works against you.
Certainly in the end it would have gotten me absolutely nothing but more negativity.

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Joe

Thanks for the kind words on the ATS transmission,I'm sure I will have good luck.

Also if you feel I should not be a moderator feel free to contact Nick and let him know your grievances.This extort preferential treatment from a vender is not the case here,never was.

Since this is in the open..... It would be nice to see the PM. If it is a "push"...we'll know.


Joe/Mac ..... let's see it.


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edit... Agenda? No, there is none hidden. Character says volumes and thought yours more than that. I'm sure to make enemy's with my retort. However, after the fact, I am finding out that I have much support in my view and opinion. You crossed the line and I called you on it. What's done is done, may we all learn a lesson here. :shake: Some lessons are harder than others.........costly for all...... costly. :sorrysign

Since this is in the open..... It would be nice to see the PM. If it is a "push"...we'll know.


Joe/Mac ..... let's see it.
:stirthepo :stirthepo :stirthepo

Bad Form to abuse 'power' to try to 'leverage' something.

Sounds like you wore 2 hats in your PM to Joe.
Best of luck with that approach.


Joe, hate to see you dragged in to this, your service reputation stands up to any scrutiny IMHO

pm's are best kept private. hence the description. time to find something more constructive to do than play the he said she said game

Since this is in the open..... It would be nice to see the PM. If it is a "push"...we'll know.


Joe/Mac ..... let's see it.


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edit... Agenda? No, there is none hidden. Character says volumes and thought yours more than that. I'm sure to make enemy's with my retort. However, after the fact, I am finding out that I have much support in my view and opinion. You crossed the line and I called you on it. What's done is done, may we all learn a lesson here. :shake: Some lessons are harder than others.........costly for all...... costly. :sorrysign

Agenda? I asked what you wanted.

Are you in the transmission business or a mediator for disagreements?

I have been as decent as I can and explaining I have decided NOT to pursue a Suncoast transmission and chose a ATS for my future plans. I have never hidden the fact that a mistake was made on the original kit install or denied that I sent Joe a heated PM asking that this be corrected.

I ask again WHAT DO YOU WANT? What is YOUR point already? I think the lesson learned is your picking a fight

Bad Form to abuse 'power' to try to 'leverage' something.

Sounds like you wore 2 hats in your PM to Joe.
Best of luck with that approach.


Joe, hate to see you dragged in to this, your service reputation stands up to any scrutiny IMHO


Your mistaken Juice.

Go look at Joe's post did he say member or moderator? Here's a hot link

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30156

No apology needed

thread closed