Hello All,
Well I guess I am going to have to enter the dually world faster than I had hoped. Last weekend I tried pulling my "LIFTED" 40ft WW Full Throttle Toyhauler with my truck (in sig). It pulled it great until the wind starting blowing me around. Of course the trailer was completely empty and I brought the wife with me to show off. Well that was a bust because after the wind blowing us almost off the road a couple of times she said you either get another truck to pull this beast or she won't be in the truck whenever we go on trips.

A friend of mine suggested the F-450 because I could pull a house with it and still be stable but I HATE the idea of buying a FORD. AS far as the Dodge goes according to their website it can't handle as much weight as the Chevy/GMC can so their out. I will be using this vehicle as my daily driver so a Kodiak or Topkick really won't work for me.

Do any of you with your 3500HD duallys pull 17K pound plus trailers and have difficulties? Do you ever feel like your truck doesn't have the stability "really" needed to safely pull these trailers around? I would really like to stay with a GMC but don't want to buy one and pretty much be in the same boat. And, how about braking, any issues with your truck when trying to stop all that weight behind you? What mods are "absolutely" essential? I am assuming at least a 4in exhaust but do I need a programmer? I have an Edge Evo in my truck now but I don't think it will work for a 3500HD.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Jason

Might not be the answer you are looking for, but have you considered a 5th wheel toyhauler instead of your bumper pull toyhauler ? The 5th wheel will tow so much better than your existing trailer. There are several members on the board that are towing 5th wheel haulers with lifted 2500's that seem to do quite well. Check in with Nor Cal Nick as I beleive he pulls a pretty good size 5th wheel hauler with a mildly lifted dually.

Yup, A dually will tow your existing trailer much better than a lifted CC SB truck. I have towed with both and hands down the dually rules. My current truck ( cause everything is for sale at the right price ) is an 07 GMC 3500 HD Dually Crew SLT with Sunroof and DVD. Only drivetrain mods are a Hypertech tuner and AFE cold air intake. The stock tires are junk, Just cannot justify buying a new set of tires and wheels right now.

before you spend 50k on a new truck, the trailer being lifted is going to make is way worse in the wind then a "normal" hight trailer. you proably will not be happy with anything less then a medium duty..

Buying the dually will be a night and day difference compared to your truck. Stick with GM, it will handle that load easily. The truck has the stability and braking needed without a doubt. No mods are needed but if you want the ride to be better you could consider some air bags for the rear, and programmer/exhaust(if it is lmm) if you want more power.

a 40' toyhauler is a 5th wheel setup. #1 lose the lift on the truck & the trailer. A lifted truck is not made to tow a 5th wheel toyhauler of that size. I am purchasing the Fuzion 393 40' toyhauler soon. And since I knew I was getting a TH that big, I went with a dually, and I am keeping the suspension completely stock.

X2 above. Dually and lose the lift. I tow a large 5th wheel and the center of gravity is bad enough as it is without raising it even more. I know it sucks I love a lifted truck as much as the next guy. My last truck and trailer was lifted. When I bought my new truck and trailer my "plan" was to lift them as well then I took them on a trip and got caught in a wind storm. The lift plan went right out the window and blew on to Kansas. My new truck never moved and felt rock solid while my last rig was a white knuckle ride like you had. Keep the lifts on the toys in the trailer :) and get an old Jeep to lift to the clouds.

What is the loaded weight of the trailer? Scaled, not what you think it is. I would be willing to bet it's heaver than you think. Which brings up the point of which truck will keep you legal? Not only in a ticket perspective, but should you ever be involved in an accident it can be a major headache. Beyond that, if anyone is hurt in that accident you're automatically at fault for being over weight, and that can spell disaster in all aspects of your life.

I would load up the trailer and weight it, then let that be your deciding factor.

Personally, I can tell you the F450 will make a 3500HD feel like a toy when it comes to comfortably towing the big loads. Drive one and you'll quickly understand why. Beyond that, since they changed the front suspension the turning radius is Huuuuuuuuugely improved.

Only thing is the way they are geared you do not want to daily drive it. 4.88's bring the hurt if you're trying to cruise over 70.

Try to put your unjustified reactions aside and drive the trucks. I love my HD, but sometimes you're just got to have the right tool for the job.

We had the same problem as you do now. Bought a 40 ft toyhauler and had a single wheel pickup only ours was a F350.

When the toyhauler was bought we knew a dually was going to be needed to pull this tayhauler safely, but we wanted to get by till this spring. One trip we took last september we ended up in a 40 mph wind with our F350 on interstate 50 mph was the fastest we could go the pickup just wasn't stable at all. Not enough rubber on the road boy that was no fun!

We ended up borrowing a Dually for another weekend trip and it pulled it with no problem in the wind and otherwise. This pickup was completly stock.

Thanks guys for the info. And, it's not that I hate ford its just that I love my GMC so much more. Also, my father-in-law has owned both a 7.3L & a 6.0 and both of those have been junk.

Know anyone that wants a lifted 2500HD? :)

Got rid of my 2500 for the reasons listed above. It was a great truck, it just didn't have a stable back end when the 37' 5er was attached. I like 4 in the back.

the drw will handle your load fine. there is a day and night difference between the srw and drw truck. i highly recommend a better hitch. the factory hitch will be your weakest point.

...i highly recommend a better hitch. the factory hitch will be your weakest point.


Ive heard others say this too. I am carrying a 3800-4000 Lance 1181 camper on my DRW and will be towing two jet ski's this summer, not an ocean liner like you do!:D

Do you think the factory hitch will suffice for me...given that I will be putting a long extension on it to get past the camper overhang?

F450 may well be the answer as it has HUGE brakes (15" rears) to go with its HUGE curb weight. However, i'd stick with the GM 3500HD personally. The 6.4PSD has been having issues, again, especially with regard to radiators though Venturi Tee fix has helped somewhat.

If you go for the F450, make sure to get the 4.30 rear end. The 4.88 is detuned and gives awful mileage. Also get wide front track so turning radius is manageable, this also increases stability.

Orrrrr..... Keep your jacked up ride and pick up a used single axle tractor. Freightliner, Peterbilt, and Mack are pretty common ones I see lately. You can find them in decent shape out east here for around $20K with a sleeper that could be converted to seating easily. Many have CAT, Cummins, or Detriots in them and there is nothing like air brakes to get you stopped. Tag it as a motorhome or similar (you can do that here in PA) and you don't need a CDL or air brake endorsement if you only use it for personal stuff. Don't waste your time or money with a Ford. I can't speak for Dodge. And I think the other guys are probably right when they say the 3500 GM may be underweight capacity to do the job legally. Even tho you see guys pulling monster hot shot loads tagged at like 39K GCWR. FN insane:eek: . I'd get some actual scale tickets and then make your decision starting with that.

F450 may well be the answer as it has HUGE brakes (15" rears) to go with its HUGE curb weight. However, i'd stick with the GM 3500HD personally. The 6.4PSD has been having issues, again, especially with regard to radiators though Venturi Tee fix has helped somewhat.

If you go for the F450, make sure to get the 4.30 rear end. The 4.88 is detuned and gives awful mileage. Also get wide front track so turning radius is manageable, this also increases stability.

With all the issues of newer Powerstrokes go,I'd stay away from that. If the GM 4500-5500 is to big,I'd look toward the Dodge 4500-5500 Cummins power chassis.
I agree with others,lifted trucks suck for towing! Fat a$$ trucks rule for towing.

mechanically speaking, I would not hesitate to put 17k on the back of my dually. more than enough power to move it along.
legally speaking, I would be somewhat hesitant to do it due to the chance that someone else causes me to be involved in an accident. I think a good lawyer could convince a judge that the extra 500 lbs is what kept you from stopping before you turned the BMW that cut you off into scrap metal.

as far as stability? Ive towed my 35 ft trailer with both single, and with my dually. I honestly can say that I will never tow with single wheel again.

so, in short, yes the dually will treat you right with your trailer, but you do have to consider any possible legal action against you in the event of an accident.

Oh, and I use my dually as a daily driver 29 miles each way to work and back 5 days a week.

hope some of this helps you out.

I too agree with a dually.....As far as legally speaking.....Im not even going to go there b/c it always starts issues. You can read more about that. 3500 would be a great choice overall loaded/unloaded. I would love to have a 4500 just for kicks but its not a practical rig to drive every day.

this will tell you the correct answer

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this will tell you the correct answer

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Those are for 2006 models. Ford 450 with 4.30's are great. I haven't heard the 6.4L having many issues at all. There is an infamous video going around online of the 6.4L, but it only happened once. :rolleyes: If you stay with GM, that is great too. Lose the lift though on either pick you get.

Ive heard others say this too. I am carrying a 3800-4000 Lance 1181 camper on my DRW and will be towing two jet ski's this summer, not an ocean liner like you do!:D

Do you think the factory hitch will suffice for me...given that I will be putting a long extension on it to get past the camper overhang?


not at all. factory hitch will work fine

I have a trailer almost the same as yours. Currently pulling it with a 2007.5 DRW, with a 4" lift. Zero issues. Have been pulling 30K plus gooseneck trailers with this truck as it is set up and handles it well.

Honestly though, I would consider a F450 if you plan on lifting it. Order one with the 4:30 gears, yank the DPF off and get some programming. With a 4-5" lift you can run 37" tires, making up for the lower gear rear end. ( you could probably get away with the 4:88 if you run 37's) It will look sick, has much better brakes, and will handle the load a little better.

Just my opinion, I love my GM but if your lifting a dually, and plan on towing with it i think the F450 is a better choice. If you have lost the lift bug ( which generally does not happen) just buy the GM and enjoy.

Hello All,Well I guess I am going to have to enter the dually world faster than I had hoped. Last weekend I tried pulling my "LIFTED" 40ft WW Full Throttle Toyhauler with my truck (in sig). It pulled it great until the wind starting blowing me around. Of course the trailer was completely empty and I brought the wife with me to show off. Well that was a bust because after the wind blowing us almost off the road a couple of times she said you either get another truck to pull this beast or she won't be in the truck whenever we go on trips. I want to say I know where you problem is...... 1. You where looking in your mirrors while driving....paying to much attain to that NICE NEW SWEAT ToyHouler. Step 1. Take a pic of it and put it on your visor:D. 2. I completely understand you know you wife would tell you to get a new truck so you made it seem unsafe and started this thread to back it up so she can see you are doing all you can to make it right):h. A friend of mine suggested the F-450 because I could pull a house with it and still be stable but I HATE the idea of buying a FORD. AS far as the Dodge goes according to their website it can't handle as much weight as the Chevy/GMC can so their out. I will be using this vehicle as my daily driver so a Kodiak or Topkick really won't work for me. A Ford can pull a house but before you do that make a apointment at the dealer so there is no waiting time to get it back out on the road:D. Do any of you with your 3500HD duallys pull 17K pound plus trailers and have difficulties? Do you ever feel like your truck doesn't have the stability "really" needed to safely pull these trailers around? I would really like to stay with a GMC but don't want to buy one and pretty much be in the same boat. And, how about braking, any issues with your truck when trying to stop all that weight behind you? What mods are "absolutely" essential? I am assuming at least a 4in exhaust but do I need a programmer? I have an Edge Evo in my truck now but I don't think it will work for a 3500HD. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.Jason No really, you could do more upgrades like sway bars and make sure that the trailer is perfectly level on the truck because I am going to guess she is alittle noise high witch will make a big difference on how she trails be hide you. I pulled my ToyHauler a few times and spend a good amount of time playing with it sitting as best as I could on my truck and it made a pretty good difference. As in upgrading to a dually, you can't go wrong. My truck is a animal with the toyhauler on it and I will admit on the open road I get he moving pretty good and she is stable. I have no regrets moving over to a dually and glad 100% its a Chevy. You really can't go wrong on the Chevy package when you compare it to the other trucks in the same class.

Here are some recent pic's of my toy hauler hooked to my truck leaving Glamis from New Years:

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Here are some recent pic's of my toy hauler hooked to my truck leaving Glamis from New Years:

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That thing is F-ing sick.;)

Nick, your probably more right on #1 than #2, but close. I knew my wife would freak out but I was hoping she could get over it. More than likely I won't be able to sell my truck anytime soon so we will have to live with what we have for now. Most of our trips this year are to Oregon and wind isn't really an issue driving up I-5. I was hoping to go back to Dumont this year but the wind there is insane and I don't think my truck is ready for that. Also, I have so much into my truck now that I would hate to get rid of her.

Yes, the nose of my trailer is a little high and that's without the quads in the garage. I don't know who I can level the trailer anymore seeing how I have just over 5in above my bed rails. I would hate to lower the hitch more and worry about pinching the bed on up hill or off camber driveways. And, as far as I know, I don't think I can raise the back anymore unless I was to put airbags on each of the 3 trailer axles, which I have seen but not quite sure how they work with the weight. Would it be better to let the back end of the truck squat down a little to even out the height of the trailer?

My wife has also hinted maybe I should just lower my truck some so that I can return the trailer to stock height so it's not in the wind as much. However, I'd have to go to a 4in lift with 33's and I don't think I want to spend that much money and still not be all that satisfied. If I added the rear swaybar to my truck would it help with the trailer stability in the wind? I know that if I keep this truck I have to regear it to 4:56's or 4:88's which I should do anyways for the 37in tires.

So many choices, so many choices.

With all the info from everyone I think I will go for the 3500HD dually as my next truck. We'll have to see what Obama's stimulus package does for GM and how bad they want to sell their trucks before the new 2010 fuel economy rules kick in.

Thanks everyone for your insights and suggestions.
Jason

One thing I haven't seen yet is another maybe better option.
Have you thought of a Kodiack or Topkick, and a cheap S10, or something similar to drive to work?
I don't see the point in maxing the towing capabilites of a truck, or maxing the legal limits of it either. If you need something bigger get something bigger. If it's to big for an everyday, get something cheap for your everyday driving.

I pull a set up very similar in size and weight, with a SRW 3500 cc/lb. I have no problems what so ever. You allready know that most of your problem is the lift and tires. Why not borrow a set of 33" tires and see if that helps? It may help in the sway and the gearing and the stopping. It is worth a try, you may be able to keep your truck a little longer too.
we just got home from a trip to Ocatillo wells. I ended up having to tow my 40 TH with my 6X12 enclosed trailer behind that. We had 4 quads, a rhino, and a dirt bike packed in. Total length was 74' and scaled at 28 k. No problem with wind or sway. The only issue I had was leaving on monday afternoon. It started raining and the last hill out of truck heaven was muddy. I had to get help out, it was slimmey!

Here are some options in my eye's


1. Lower the truck alittle, 35's and stance.
2. Front and rear sway bars
3. Don't lower the trailer
4. Keep the distance between the bed
5. With 35's and that trailer you should be about right and be about level or close to where it would be easy to finalize.

All of this will make big improvements over all. Trust me I was there myself!

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=40707&d=1190873769


But it was time for the new truck build and that was already on the topic when we bought the toy hauler just needed a few months between.

I have set up HD's and 5er's a few time's:

To see more pic of the build: NCT Joe V Build on D/P (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1816448&postcount=115)

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DA INFERNO (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/member.php?&u=42908)’s Garage

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Nick, you didn't drive that Ford like that did you? I chatted with Da Inferno a couple of times and he's told me he's a little high in the front. As far as Joe V's sandpiper, that thing just looks dangerous. That trailer is so high it looks like the winds at Dumont could blow it over just sitting there.

With the Fabtech lift can I turn down the keys some and reduce the block size in the rear to lower it? Or are you talking put another lift on it like a 4-6?

Yea, I did about 4 trips on the Ford like that and then pulled the front coil over set up off and had it @ 8" and towed another 3 times till we picked up the Dually. I had to wait till Jan. to pick up the dually. But on the Ford it looks like the front was de-loading and the rear was sagging a ton but really the truck sat unloaded noise high by about 2". Believe it or not it didn't tow that bad. If I was to keep that truck I was going to build a complete new 8" suspension set up that I could tow and have fun in the dunes with BUT I went the dually direction.


It really comes down to what direction you feel better spending money. On a truck you have now to dial it in or start over on a new truck. I have gone over this issue with a ton of close friends that at first had lifted trucks and didn't matter of 5er's and towing but now we are all having kids and getting more toys we all are upgrading and we have to re think things to better suite are main reasons of owning a truck. I remember the days I said I would NEVER not have a big truck and here I am having the most fun with 4"...ok that doesn't sound right:rolleyes:. But really things change and even tho a new truck might now be in the card right now you just need to go over the truck COMPLETE and make sure you don't need some freshing up on suspension parts, ball joints, steering, shocks or a couple upgrades to better suite the trailer till time comes.

F450 will pull a house, so long as you don't mind selling the house you're towing to pay for fuel. Mopar makes a decent product, but I believe the D/A is the best thing out there.

F450 will pull a house, so long as you don't mind selling the house you're towing to pay for fuel. Mopar makes a decent product, but I believe the D/A is the best thing out there.
A D/A with 4.30/4.88s will out pull and last a 450 anyday.

Take this for what it's worth, I own a 07 classic lbz, driven and talked to several Ford 6.4owners, they had a problem with radiator leak early model, problem has been corrected. As for economy, the 6.4 owners are consistantly getting equal mileage to my lbz empty and almost double the mileage I get pulling heavy 15-16K. I like driving my lbz but constantly in for service, has had a drivetrain vibration since new, found the rear diff with less then a qt of oil at first oil change no leaks, gm doesn,t think a damaged rear diff would cause a vibration so they won't open it without a confirmed diagnoses or bullitin (did not see the stupid sign posted). I for one can see why GM is going bankrupt and it's called customer service, unhappy customer = no customer = no income. GM corporate has roughly 3 months to fix then the lemon is theirs. The 09 Ford Diesel drives a little nicer then my classic, performs well, will most likely be replacing my classic. I am confident Ford corporate customer service could not be worse then GM, actually can't imagine anyone worse unless bankrupt and closed. I love the way my classic drives and performs, but when you have a warranty issue and the manufacture is more concearned about the cost then a happy customer and fulfiling their obligation's, you lose faith real quick.
As for the new Ford reliability, have not been able to find a owner with a major problem and that did not like their pickup (have talked to many), as for economy all 3 are bad now thanks to the epa.

Did someone say that the Furds are getting the same or better fuel mileage? And better towing mileage?

Total length was 74' and scaled at 28 k. No problem with wind or sway. !

Ain't nutin' tiny in what your towin there wood...

I dont think that a trailer can be too high, as long as it sits correctly on the truck. Really what is 6 more inches in height on 11 feet. I have towed my fifth wheel with and without flipping the axles and it tows alot better flipped. I towed with it in the winter time in wyoming across I-80 blowing like hell and it went straight.

Take this for what it's worth, I own a 07 classic lbz, driven and talked to several Ford 6.4owners, they had a problem with radiator leak early model, problem has been corrected. As for economy, the 6.4 owners are consistantly getting equal mileage to my lbz empty and almost double the mileage I get pulling heavy 15-16K. I like driving my lbz but constantly in for service, has had a drivetrain vibration since new, found the rear diff with less then a qt of oil at first oil change no leaks, gm doesn,t think a damaged rear diff would cause a vibration so they won't open it without a confirmed diagnoses or bullitin (did not see the stupid sign posted). I for one can see why GM is going bankrupt and it's called customer service, unhappy customer = no customer = no income. GM corporate has roughly 3 months to fix then the lemon is theirs. The 09 Ford Diesel drives a little nicer then my classic, performs well, will most likely be replacing my classic. I am confident Ford corporate customer service could not be worse then GM, actually can't imagine anyone worse unless bankrupt and closed. I love the way my classic drives and performs, but when you have a warranty issue and the manufacture is more concearned about the cost then a happy customer and fulfiling their obligation's, you lose faith real quick.
As for the new Ford reliability, have not been able to find a owner with a major problem and that did not like their pickup (have talked to many), as for economy all 3 are bad now thanks to the epa.

Sorry to hear about your troubles but some slightly incorrect info here. Yes, Navistar 6.4 is an improvement over the Navistar 6.0 but several members at FTE have had issues with the new twin turbo diesel. I reached a deal of $20,000 off (yes, you read that right) for an 08 F250 FX4 PSD with $54k msrp. I passed for two reasons: 1) Payload capacity is not high enough, only 2410lbs despite 10,000lb GVWR as Super Dutys are so heavy. 2) Untrusting of all new dpf equipped diesels especially the PSD which felt sick/anaemic on the model I drove.

Finally, as regards customer service, Ford have been fighting with some loyal buyers over what should be cut and dried warranty cases. I like Fords, but unless I needed and F450, I wouldn't buy one over a GM.

I think the biggest cause of your problem is tires. The 37 has to much sidewall flex and is giving you that mushy feeling that you are being blown all over the road. You could do 1 of 2 things, lower the truck and go with smaller tire or get bigger wheels with the same outside diameter tire. Then a regear for the power. Probably lower and a smaller tire would work best.

I dont think that a trailer can be too high, as long as it sits correctly on the truck. Really what is 6 more inches in height on 11 feet. I have towed my fifth wheel with and without flipping the axles and it tows alot better flipped. I towed with it in the winter time in wyoming across I-80 blowing like hell and it went straight.

its the center of gravity, you have a higher center of gravity therefore it won't tow as well

Take this for what it's worth, I own a 07 classic lbz, driven and talked to several Ford 6.4owners, they had a problem with radiator leak early model, problem has been corrected. As for economy, the 6.4 owners are consistantly getting equal mileage to my lbz empty and almost double the mileage I get pulling heavy 15-16K. I like driving my lbz but constantly in for service, has had a drivetrain vibration since new, found the rear diff with less then a qt of oil at first oil change no leaks, gm doesn,t think a damaged rear diff would cause a vibration so they won't open it without a confirmed diagnoses or bullitin (did not see the stupid sign posted). I for one can see why GM is going bankrupt and it's called customer service, unhappy customer = no customer = no income. GM corporate has roughly 3 months to fix then the lemon is theirs. The 09 Ford Diesel drives a little nicer then my classic, performs well, will most likely be replacing my classic. I am confident Ford corporate customer service could not be worse then GM, actually can't imagine anyone worse unless bankrupt and closed. I love the way my classic drives and performs, but when you have a warranty issue and the manufacture is more concearned about the cost then a happy customer and fulfiling their obligation's, you lose faith real quick.
As for the new Ford reliability, have not been able to find a owner with a major problem and that did not like their pickup (have talked to many), as for economy all 3 are bad now thanks to the epa.

thats wrong, maybe with a dpf delete and propane injection and other mods but 6.4s get really bad fuel economy. why do you think ford had to lower the axle ratio to a 3.55 and lower the front air dam 4 in? because people were complaining about terrible fuel mileage.

I just looked at the pics in your garage, Do you have airbags? the way your truck sits with the trailer is sagging pretty good if you added air bags to lift the rear and put more weight on the front of the truck I'm willing to bet it would increase your stability a bunch. when you sag in the rear like that your more likely to wander in the front especially when there is wind

I think that the GM Dually would probably do everything that you need. I don't know much about the Dodge but the new F-450 is a bone. A friend of mine has had two 3/4 HD Dmaxs and went to buy a dually. He test drove the 2008 F-450 with every possible option. He hooked it up to a 1000 gallon hydroseeder and proceeded to take it up a farely large grade. He could barely get it to go over 45 mph. He then hooked up his 3/4 Dmax to the same hydroseeder, roasted the tires and hit about 65 to 70 mph up the same hill. He brought the Ford back to the dealership and thought that something was wrong with it. They checked everything and said that it was fine. He went out and bought and 08 Dmax dually and loves it. As far as braking, I talked to a guy today who hauls a 38ft toy hauler and has the Banks exhaust break on his Dmax and says that it is incredible. I haven't hauled anything yet with my dually, but I bought it so I wouldn't be limited.

3500 DRW never a problem. Pull my 5th wheel in the winter up here near lake Erie, I see the trailer get moved by the wind, but I do not feel it in my truck.

** Update **
Thanks for all the good advice. I have decided to buy a dually. I am going to pick it up next Saturday in Utah (where I originally bought my first dmax). It's a 2007.5 Chevy D/A used but looks good. They are basically trading me straight across for my current truck. Can't pass up that deal. And, they are letting me keep my stereo which is worth over $3k. Of course now I have to get another fith wheel hitch because the 18k Superglide isn't recommended for long bed trucks. Oh well... Know anyone that wants a Superglide hitch with less than 50 miles on it?

Score!!!

Post pic's when you get it.

Good call on getting the dually for that trailer, I pull a 35ft Ragen and fully loaded with EVERYTHING I can possibly get in the trailer and more than half a bed full of wood I scale 23,600 and the truck and trailer pull just fine. My trailer has killer brakes and I never feel under braked. I have 285's on the truck and 2 inch spacers, other than that the truck is bone stock, 60 mph over Cajon summit no prob. I actually get a little sleepy sometimes driving with the current setup, no joke. Momma keeps a sharp eye on me though, she won't take the wheel, but she'll watch me and the road like a hawk. LOL

Don't know about towing numbers, but I have a Dodge and a Chevy, I'll take the Dodge truck any day of the week for handling a load. As far as driving, the Chevy rides better, but just doesn't feel like near the truck as the Dodge. Best of luck to you.

Don't know about towing numbers, but I have a Dodge and a Chevy, I'll take the Dodge truck any day of the week for handling a load. As far as driving, the Chevy rides better, but just doesn't feel like near the truck as the Dodge. Best of luck to you.


Oh no you ditint! ! ! Thats just wrong, come on here and say that silly nonsence.

You get em' Peckerwood! Talkin' that trash now might get you in sum trouble, boy.

Congrats on the new ride!

You got the right truck for the job- at least it works for my Full Throttle.

** Update **
Thanks for all the good advice. I have decided to buy a dually. I am going to pick it up next Saturday in Utah (where I originally bought my first dmax). It's a 2007.5 Chevy D/A used but looks good. They are basically trading me straight across for my current truck. Can't pass up that deal. And, they are letting me keep my stereo which is worth over $3k. Of course now I have to get another fith wheel hitch because the 18k Superglide isn't recommended for long bed trucks. Oh well... Know anyone that wants a Superglide hitch with less than 50 miles on it?

Are you sure the hitch isn't recommended or just not needed? We have one on the 07' which is a SB they sure work nice. We use it to pull a 39x12 XLR Toy Hauler, with no issues. I wouldn't be worried about brakes use tow haul it will practically stop you.

I Pull Those Size Trailers All Day Long I Have No Problems

Are you sure the hitch isn't recommended or just not needed? We have one on the 07' which is a SB they sure work nice. We use it to pull a 39x12 XLR Toy Hauler, with no issues. I wouldn't be worried about brakes use tow haul it will practically stop you.
Yeah PullRite website say for use with short wheel base. "SuperGlide is the ONLY true solution to safe 5th wheel towing with short bed trucks - protecting passengers, trucks, & trailers."............."The 18K SuperGlide moves up to 14" while making a turn - 50% farther than manually adjusted "slider" designs - and works AUTOMATICALLY, while you drive and make short turns."

I just bought the chev 3500 instead of the f450 and this thread helped greatly during my research. dont plan to tow in the near future but will someday. tough to find a thread that consistently positive about the f450 and that was worrisome; i wanted reliability and predictability as well as a great riding truck and the chev is the winner. will take delivery hopefully next week. now onto the dually members forum to join up...

I just bought the chev 3500 instead of the f450 and this thread helped greatly during my research. dont plan to tow in the near future but will someday. tough to find a thread that consistently positive about the f450 and that was worrisome; i wanted reliability and predictability as well as a great riding truck and the chev is the winner. will take delivery hopefully next week. now onto the dually members forum to join up...

Yeah I was in the same boat when I was looking into getting rid of my 03 dually. Those 450s is a sweet looking truck. Three thing made me decide to to get one, Milage, The 6.4 engine problems and the 5 speed tranny. Welcome to the Duramax world and lets some pics when ya get it home.

congrats on the new truck. I pull a 26' race car trailer (extra height) w/my truck. Worst case was on the 58 near Mojave where big rigs were getting tossed on their sides (seriously). Dually was pulling hard, but the trailer (bumper tow, no sway control) was interesting in its movements, but irrelevant to where the truck went. We never broke a sweat. Heard later that day that the winds were a steady 60mph with higher gusts.

BTW: nice angle on your pic, jtaylor11!

I also have a 39 foot toyhauler a Fuzion 373 and i pull it with a 08 GMC Dually no probs at all. I never feels like its out of control the i am more impressed with the Allison Tranny then the Duramax.http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/69ChargerRT/Fuzion/P0000000.jpghttp://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii226/69ChargerRT/Fuzion/P0000001.jpg

Mr Bigblock

Do you have any clearance under that big beast between the bed and the trailer? In that pic it looks like the trailer is sitting on the bed of your truck. I like your trailer. I was going to buy a Fuzion but I couldn't lift the trailer without having to do major suspension and frame work. Had I had the dually 1st I would have bought the 2009 402.

Mr Bigblock

Do you have any clearance under that big beast between the bed and the trailer? In that pic it looks like the trailer is sitting on the bed of your truck. I like your trailer. I was going to buy a Fuzion but I couldn't lift the trailer without having to do major suspension and frame work. Had I had the dually 1st I would have bought the 2009 402.
To the truck or trailer?

The clearance between the truck and the trailer above the bed rails.

Yup Theirs like 5 to 6 inches i know it does not look like it but their is i have only come close once to buckling it but it was a very steep grade change

congrats on the new truck. I pull a 26' race car trailer (extra height) w/my truck. Worst case was on the 58 near Mojave where big rigs were getting tossed on their sides (seriously). Dually was pulling hard, but the trailer (bumper tow, no sway control) was interesting in its movements, but irrelevant to where the truck went. We never broke a sweat. Heard later that day that the winds were a steady 60mph with higher gusts.

BTW: nice angle on your pic, jtaylor11!

Thanks man......see ya have about the same angle. Im going to hate change that pic out cause I normally suck at taking pics.

I want to see that new Dually hooked up to that BIG toyhauler :D

Which new dually hooked up to which BIG new toyhauler, Nick???

Yours... I did see you had the new wheels and did you put the UCA on yet?

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