:eek: :grd: :D :cool:

Got the twins installed a couple days ago. Mike's working on the trans now. What little playing I was able to do on I-5 coming down here was fun. The turbo whistle was loud enough to turn a few heads. I took it easy (as hard as that was) on the truck on the 1000 mile trip down so I didn't have to buy new clutches.

I'll have track times (from Bandimere at roughly 5,700') and dyno numbers (Superflow at the same elevation) next weekend. I hope to have enough fuel to keep these guys happy.

I've been asked not to release pics yet so until I'm given the ok I won't be doing so.

I should have a lot more data to provide once I get back from Denver next week.

I have to give a huge thanks to Bill and Stefan at DTT and Nathan (Idaho CTD) for building this product and allowing me to help in their testing.

:nopics:

Sorry Chad...........i told ya i was gonna bust your balls.

Congrats :ro) :ro) :ro) :ro) and let the whistle be with you :ro) :ro)

:eek: :grd: :D :cool:

Got the twins installed a couple days ago. Mike's working on the trans now. What little playing I was able to do on I-5 coming down here was fun. The turbo whistle was loud enough to turn a few heads. I took it easy (as hard as that was) on the truck on the 1000 mile trip down so I didn't have to buy new clutches.

I'll have track times (from Bandimere at roughly 5,700') and dyno numbers (Superflow at the same elevation) next weekend. I hope to have enough fuel to keep these guys happy.

I've been asked not to release pics yet so until I'm given the ok I won't be doing so.

I should have a lot more data to provide once I get back from Denver next week.

I have to give a huge thanks to Bill and Stefan at DTT and Nathan (Idaho CTD) for building this product and allowing me to help in their testing.

Welcome LLY TWINMAX#002:ro)

Welcome to the Wolfpack!:cool2:

Chad,

So do we have to hum the Doublemint theme song every time you and Juice post now?

Lucky sum biotch!!!! You did this to the '05?????

Tom

:nopics:
:iamwithst

Chad,

So do we have to hum the Doublemint theme song every time you and Juice post now?

Lucky sum biotch!!!! You did this to the '05?????

Tom
TWIN Affirmatives to both Questions):h

Chad,

So do we have to hum the Doublemint theme song every time you and Juice post now?

Lucky sum biotch!!!! You did this to the '05?????

Tom
Trying to think of that Doublemint theme song and it's just not coming to me....

Yep, they found a home in my 05.

I now have total control over those 2 puppys. Chads truck is locked up in my shop. If I have a notion, I might be # 2 and Chad waiting in line for his.:smoke2: :joke:

you really shouldn't tease us until you can show us some results or pictures...shame on you...

I now have total control over those 2 puppys. Chads truck is locked up in my shop. If I have a notion, I might be # 2 and Chad waiting in line for his.:smoke2: :joke:
Mike,
I'll meet you at your shop tonight, say around midnight?

Let's see if there are any fuses on that twin setup!

:muahaha:

Mike,
You'd better have a large armed guard on Monday, my son-in-law and I will be there to look..

:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

Another wonderful story debut in: "As the BS Turns....":rant:

Maybe it should be only half a line of :blahblah: , but the "twin" lines seemed more appropriate...:rolleyes:

All the flak because you all think anyone with twin turbos is lying or what. I have seen a few threads with the same attitudes. However, I must agree. No pics no proof.

take it from me.. we had lunch yesterday on his way to LA.. i saw them with my own eyes.. they do exist..

First off, Chad I don't think your old enough to even remember that tune):h and I got a sneek look at the twins today. Was paying a little social call to Mike today. All I can say is Mike needs a vacation, real bad. That man is shifting gears left and right in the thought process. Got to see the man in action today. Wow:eek:

Trippin and Mike L.

If you think your gonna steal those things off his truck overnight and have them on another truck by morning you better think again. You'd be better off painting both trucks and swapping but he might notice the difference in miles. His dash is off though so you can always swap the instrument panel as well.


Nathan

take it from me.. we had lunch yesterday on his way to LA.. i saw them with my own eyes.. they do exist..
Twins Exist?

Really?):h

Uh-Oh..... sounds like someone is gonna push the envelope s'more

Trippin and Mike L.

If you think your gonna steal those things off his truck overnight and have them on another truck by morning you better think again. You'd be better off painting both trucks and swapping but he might notice the difference in miles. His dash is off though so you can always swap the instrument panel as well.


Nathan
):h

Ah damn now I really have to hit that dyno day in greeley just to see those...

sp33d,
On the test drive, if Mike turns left out of the shop watch out he's headed for some narrow residential streets. If he turns right it's industrial. And if you left your truck at the shop...Sol can install a tranny as fast as he can pull one:ro)
Did you check you mileage before you left today):h .

DAMN!!!

I'm off looking at the dead Pope and all the action is back home! :(

Congrats!

When you heading home? Buy you a beer Monday if you are still in SoCal.

DAMN!!!

I'm off looking at the dead Pope and all the action is back home! :(

Congrats!

When you heading home? Buy you a beer Monday if you are still in SoCal.

GITRDOOONE PAT!

Any chance you and Chad will line up for a 1/4 mile test of acceleration?

If he can stay until Wednesday, I will videotape the race at LACR.

But if he can't? I'll run him somewhere. It's like sex, you don't need a reason, just a place.:D

Hey Chad?

LACR Wednesday night, my treat! You game?

and let the whistle be with you :ro) :ro)


WHAT DID U SAY?



Eh?

Pat, I've been hearing stories all day about some race-crazed guy in a Blue LLY? Know him? :D I originally planned on leaving Sunday. Let me see how things go tomorrow but I may have to follow you guys up to LACR. If not, I may at least push my departure date back to Monday and see if we can happen to line up at a light or something ;)


That's all of course given something mysterious doesn't happen to the truck tonight :eek:

Pat, I've been hearing stories all day about some race-crazed guy in a Blue LLY? Know him? :D I originally planned on leaving Sunday. Let me see how things go tomorrow but I may have to follow you guys up to LACR. If not, I may at least push my departure date back to Monday and see if we can happen to line up at a light or something ;)


That's all of course given something mysterious doesn't happen to the truck tonight :eek:

Crap! I'm in Las Vegas racing the Vette right now. :(

If you can hang out until Monday, I'll ditch work, and we can set up a street race and some brewski's. :ro)

If you must leave Sunday, call LACR at (661) 533-2224 and see if you can run a few passes Sunday. If they say no, tell Bernie, Pat McRat with the Diesel Hot Rods needs you to test the truck at LACR because you are from Colorado and are planning on racing at the big event in Sept.

Ah damn now I really have to hit that dyno day in greeley just to see those...
It'll be worth the trip ;) I'm sure I could arrange a ride.

Pat, will do. I'll let you know what my plans end up being after I see how tomorrow goes. I will see how things go but I'd like to stick around long enough to meet you and Kat before leaving. I've already been gone for a week and my work is piling up back home so I dread trying to catch up in one day since I've got to be in Denver on Friday.

It'll be worth the trip ;) I'm sure I could arrange a ride.

Pat, will do. I'll let you know what my plans end up being after I see how tomorrow goes. I will see how things go but I'd like to stick around long enough to meet you and Kat before leaving. I've already been gone for a week and my work is piling up back home so I dread trying to catch up in one day since I've got to be in Denver on Friday.

I can be reached at 951 270 2667 all day monday. If you're around, gimme a holler! :) I'll be back in SoCal sunday night.

We had to give Chad a sendoff at the "legendary" In-n-Out burger.

Me, Ralph (05 2500HD), and Chad (Speed)

PS - Yes Virginia, there ARE twins. :D

We had to give Chad a sendoff at the "legendary" In-n-Out burger.

Me, Ralph (05 2500HD), and Chad (Speed)

PS - Yes Virginia, there ARE twins. :D
So, when does Kat's tow rig get a set??
She must have a birthday or something coming up that you need to buy her something for, right? ):h

So did you guys end up runnin' em? Please tell!
Jason

We had to give Chad a sendoff at the "legendary" In-n-Out burger.

Me, Ralph (05 2500HD), and Chad (Speed)

PS - Yes Virginia, there ARE twins. :D
Pat, do you have a better quality pic of that you could email me?


BTW, them are sure funny looking pine trees in the background!):h

There is no safe place to run at that time of day. You're lucky if you can hit 60 on the freeway! And the city streets are crowded as well.

Pat, do you have a better quality pic of that you could email me?


BTW, them are sure funny looking pine trees in the background!):h

Let me ask Kat tonight, she tried with her camera as well.

The camera I took that pic with was a first generation Sony. Poor resolution.

So, when does Kat's tow rig get a set??
She must have a birthday or something coming up that you need to buy her something for, right? ):h
:Nonono: for the tow vehicle :p:

Juice I will check the pic on my camera tonight. But I only have it set on 640 x 480

So, when does Kat's tow rig get a set??
She must have a birthday or something coming up that you need to buy her something for, right? ):h
Well I guess I got an Intake and another programmer for the Big Blue;) Since I didn't get any flowers for my anniversary delivered today :eek:

DOH!!! :eek:

Uh oh.... Trouble in paradise!

:Nonono: for the tow vehicle :p:

Juice I will check the pic on my camera tonight. But I only have it set on 640 x 480


640x480?

KAT!

That is terrible!:eek:

640x480?

KAT!

That is terrible!:eek:
But that is perfect size for the internet and I don't have to resize them :p:

heres my question...if guys like McRat are so underfueled and barely blow any smoke down the track with their stock turbos. how is it that twins on a LLY are worth the $$$??

Happy Anniversary! :hug: :D

Because some day there will be more fuel... hopefully. Plus it helps keep the EGT's down so the power is more usable.

heres my question...if guys like McRat are so underfueled and barely blow any smoke down the track with their stock turbos. how is it that twins on a LLY are worth the $$$??
When Steve works his magic there will be fuel..... and twins will probably be needed... stock ECM might not like having it's turbine speed sensor unplugged

Uh oh.... Trouble in paradise!

We celebrated in Las Vegas already, but I always send flowers to her work either before or after.

Until now... :(

heres my question...if guys like McRat are so underfueled and barely blow any smoke down the track with their stock turbos. how is it that twins on a LLY are worth the $$$??

Twins are actually better for running #2 only and everyday use. You can get additional hp spraying with twins also but it is lower than a single would primarily because you make more on fuel only. Typically a twinned truck will run right about the same speed/et as a single truck on the bottle.

The LLY trucks will lose about 400* egt going with twins and in Juice's case he lost about 5-600* (we dont really know how much because his pyro was buried before but it was at least that). Juice's max egt now is in the 12-1300* range with a Edge and Bullydog stack.

McRat, its not too late for the after part yet!! ):h
Jason

Twins are actually better for running #2 only and everyday use. You can get additional hp spraying with twins also but it is lower than a single would primarily because you make more on fuel only. Typically a twinned truck will run right about the same speed/et as a single truck on the bottle.

The LLY trucks will lose about 400* egt going with twins and in Juice's case he lost about 5-600* (we dont really know how much because his pyro was buried before but it was at least that). Juice's max egt now is in the 12-1300* range with a Edge and Bullydog stack.
so what happens when the twins see fueling to them that we see with our stock turbos. for instance...what happens when u can make the twins smoke like you can the stock turbo...wont the egt's be right back up there?

I'm a little late into the game here (been in transit), but yes, there are twins. Got a ride too!


Sp33d, those knuckle marks in the door handle from my holdin' on should rebound....eventually.

I can see one thing needed more than fuel....BINDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:ro) :ro)

.......having it's turbine speed sensor unpluggedWhere is that? Must be a West coast thing cause non of the LLY's I have seen or heard of have one....Not picking on you Juice, you just reminded me and I brought itup...:)

so what happens when the twins see fueling to them that we see with our stock turbos. for instance...what happens when u can make the twins smoke like you can the stock turbo...wont the egt's be right back up there?Ryan..... I lost all of my smoke.... no haze at all.

Turbo #2 does need some fuel, but not as much as one might think in order to spool with the top charger providing a 'push/pull start'.


My EGT's based on my previous experience are very liveable indeed. Best part is, I have yet to crest 1400F while towing. This is with all levels turned up on the Dog and the Juice.

I was looking at non WG turbos... Typically they can suffer from higher EGT's if the housing is setup for quick spool (and by design reduced top end flow potentials compared to a larger exhaust housing equipped turbo controlled by a wastegate), and drive pressures at 1:1 can produce higher EGT's than a well designed twin setup.

Although, I have seen Big singles do well, they usually in pulling trucks or Dyno/Drag trucks.

I have seen some 7XX HP trucks with big singles... typically they are not used for towing because they overfuell without enough air until spooled.. EGT's out of sight until then.

Since I tow, this setup has met MY needs to a "T"

Stock driveability, Low Smoke, Low EGT's and good power (next time i will fix my EGT Limit on the Juice lol)

But this is only my experience.

The only Downside of the Twins is the ability to make wild pressures RIGHT NOW!
2 Valves 3/4" to control:eek: Nathan has a similar set on his GEN3 HPCR Dodge, and has run up to 76PSIG!:eek:

Since i have no burning desire to stud, O-ring or push out my headgaskets, I have a self imposed limit of 47 PSIG.... I have the ability to go higher... to 70+ PSIG, but again... no headgaskets for me thanks.

Anyhow, I would love to hear an ATS single sing its song!
Turbos are just plain COOOOOOL!

Did i mention my neighbor just bought a HEMI!?:D
So i went to visit him..... he has ridden in the truck before.... and since i was up he took me for a ride:ro) cool beans i must say.
Then he asked why my truck's exhaust was quieter..... I took it upon myself to furnish a ride for him... needless to say, he was a bit:eek:
Ahh well.... I told him he should have got a DIESEL!:confused:

Where is that? Must be a West coast thing cause non of the LLY's I have seen or heard of have one....Not picking on you Juice, you just reminded me and I brought itup...:)
So what is the white wire then?

Is it the 'Pull Start?'):h

So what is the white wire then?

Is it the 'Pull Start?'):h
Not the white wire.........please god no....not the white wire........whatever you do, don't mess with the white wire. :eek:

Not the white wire.........please god no....not the white wire........whatever you do, don't mess with the white wire. :eek:

Do Juicegrips(TM) work on it?:grd: :ro) ):h




Hello... Ebay... yes i am looking for an LLY Turbo... Low miles... CHEAP!

Welcome to the "JUICE ZONE".......... where everything is looked upon with Juice Grips (TM). Today we'll se just what happens when a madman takes stupid power a couples it to a Fankenstine transmission....... Stay tuned, as the turbo turns.

So what is the white wire then?

Is it the 'Pull Start?'):hits the vane position sensor

FIGURE Turbo Assembly(c)

(http://service.gm.com/servlets/BlobShtml?ShtmlFile=1372916&pubid=1058&evc=sm#oth1-1372916)
http://service.gm.com/engif/000/001/372/1372698.gif
http://service.gm.com/tif.gif (http://service.gm.com/servlets/RetrieveTif?pic=1372698)
<MAP name=1372698.map><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TH align=left></TH></TR><TR><TD align=middle>(1)</TD><TD align=left>Turbocharger Vane Position Control Solenoid Valve</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>(2)</TD><TD align=left>Turbocharger Vane Position Sensor</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></MAP>

oops , sorry pic is kinda big!!!

Welcome to the "JUICE ZONE".......... where everything is looked upon with Juice Grips (TM). Today we'll se just what happens when a madman takes stupid power a couples it to a Fankenstine transmission....... Stay tuned, as the turbo turns.
Burner,
Is that a Freudian slip? Did you mean to say Fakenstein or Frankenstein? ):h

oops , sorry pic is kinda big!!!Ya Think?:eek: ):h


So how does one use a single data line to measure angle of incidence of the blades (Not likely) You would need another sense line to 'time' <0~< 25' and when it happens.

Seems more likely a Hall effect or Sine Wave Induction line.

Meaning counting rotations.
Measuring Flux and dividing by known quantity of exhaust blades to derive RPM?
(Turbo Tach using Electric Field Emissions)

Hmm... gonna need to take one of those apart.
Time to solve this.

If i am wrong (wouldn't be the first time... just ask my exploded turbos) so be it.... I would be really interested in finding out how they do that using only 1 wire.... The encoder motor has more than one wire so that is a possibility, but then why would the wire lead at a 90'< to the turboshaft?

Makee no sense to me.:help2:

There is a "ramp" on the inside of the turbo and the vane position sensor has a plunger ball on it. As the turbo vanes rotate, the ramp moves with it and the plunger ball rides on the ramp moving it in and out, thus giving a position signal. The white wire is just a coating, follow it down to where it's connector is on the drivers side valve cover under the upper coolant pipe and it has 3 wires. A 5 volt reference, a low reference, and a signal wire.

The other connector on the turbo is the vane control solonoid.

I thought our resident diesel expert and tuning guru was telling Juice that this was the speed sensor? :rolleyes:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14835&page=18&pp=10&highlight=550%23post434138

.

There is a "ramp" on the inside of the turbo and the vane position sensor has a plunger ball on it. As the turbo vanes rotate, the ramp moves with it and the plunger ball rides on the ramp moving it in and out, thus giving a position signal. The white wire is just a coating, follow it down to where it's connector is on the drivers side valve cover under the upper coolant pipe and it has 3 wires. A 5 volt reference, a low reference, and a signal wire.

The other connector on the turbo is the vane control solonoid.
Thanks for the info Eric!

It was driving me crazy trying to wrap my brain around what they were/how they were using that!:ro)

I thought our resident diesel expert and tuning guru was telling Juice that this was the speed sensor? :rolleyes:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14835&page=18&pp=10&highlight=550%23post434138Ding Ding........Round 301.

Kennedy steps into the ring and throws the first jab.........

I thought our resident diesel expert and tuning guru was telling Juice that this was the speed sensor? :rolleyes:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14835&page=18&pp=10&highlight=550%23post434138

Is this the post you're refering to?

Juice you may want to look at a stock LLY turbo. You will find what your looking for there. The stock WG is set to avoid surge in all conditions, but you need turbo speed and PR to see where the surge point is. The surge point moves based on PR.

I thought our resident diesel expert and tuning guru was telling Juice that this was the speed sensor? :rolleyes:

http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14835&page=18&pp=10&highlight=550%23post434138

Better yet http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14835&page=16&pp=10&highlight=550%23post434138 go to post #154 :D



:boxing:~ POW !!!~~ :boxing: POW POW ~~ :boxing:~ Knock out blow !!

Good catch Tripp. There is something missing.......and you cought it. Time will tell us if that consonat will lay true to form or will the valve change from T&G to D&T? :think:





.............. maybe a different instalation part is needed?:hug:

Good catch Tripp. There is something missing.......and you cought it. Time will tell us if that consonat will lay true to form or will the valve change from T&G to D&T? :think:





.............. maybe a different instalation part is needed?:hug:

:lol:

What's the matter john? Can't ansewer a simple question? Maybe you're just to busy with those 'AST tranny only' tunes.....

I know how messy tranny fluid can be, so let me give John a hand.......these are the posts he was refering to, further in the thread, each being on the following page.

Ah......... but you learn that way. Look at the little white cable leaveing the center section goint to a small amplifier box by the valvecover........................................ .....................

Give the man a prize ...... one turbine speed unit coming up. Now what can I do with baro, boost and turbine speed ????

Actually I ASSumed it was a hall effect sensor, or one of the inductive AC type pickups.

As soon as you guys start writing code for LLYs, let me know I want to try some. :D

On Edit:
Personally, I hope Steve just stays out of this one. What purpose does it serve to educate you guys? Perhaps Quad can explain it to you.

As soon as you guys start writing code for LLYs, let me know I want to try some. :D
Does that mean you're dropping the LB7 and gettin an LLY?.....better be ready to change that dyno count again.....

Does that mean you're dropping the LB7 and gettin an LLY?.....better be ready to change that dyno count again.....
The boost those LLY's put out is certainly attractive. :eek:
Yet we all are slaves of the dreaded CP3. :(

Oh great and wonderous CP3, please give us more fuel.:D

The boost those LLY's put out is certainly attractive. :eek:


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Untill all you big and double turbo boys put up some real numbers and prove you have more than noise and whistle, be quiet. You all got your stuff pretty much for free and you feel obligated to support sugar daddy and thats fine. There are members here that are willing to spend big money for the mod. Let's tell the whole truth and not misslead these folks. :D

IF dumping 6k in a truck is pretty much for free, I feel sorry for those that have to pay full price... heheehe

Untill all you big and double turbo boys put up some real numbers and prove you have more than noise and whistle, be quiet. You all got your stuff pretty much for free and you feel obligated to support sugar daddy and thats fine. There are members here that are willing to spend big money for the mod. Let's tell the whole truth and not misslead these folks. :DLOL.
Ok father Mike):h
I'll jus be a whislin' in da corna.... real quiet like.. t'il da next GTG izzat ok's wit ya?

Heckfire, we only is puttin tha big centripedally accelerating air diffusion type units on to decrease the black smoke and pass emissions you know.

FREE?
No, these sure as heck ain't free.
No Anti Turbo Surcharge here!:lol:

Mike,

We are still limited by the CP3. We needs more fuel. IMHO, I don't think the big turbo/twins are going to put down as good a number as the big Nitrous guys till we get this pump thing upgraded. I would suspect that Nitrous has better combustion efficiency than boost, and Nitrous actually has a cooling effect on the incoming charge rather than the additional heat that comes with boost. Tomac, might be time to look at an air to water intercooler and bring those IAT temps down.

The single turbo does give Tomac and edge in sled pulling, in a single turbo type class or one that does not allow Nitrous.

The single turbo does give Tomac and edge in sled pulling, in a single turbo type class or one that does not allow Nitrous.

31+ hooks on the schedule so far with the DHRA, TTPA & ATPA and none of them allow nitrous.

Back from racing at Bandimere. It was a great time and as always it was great hooking up with the Colorado guys again! I didn't end up dynoing the truck so all that I have is four timeslips.

Truck progressivly ran better each time with a best on the last run of 14.564@98.37. I know these times aren't stellar after seeing all the runs in the low 13's and high 12's and Tomac's recent #2 run of 12.1x but this is in line with what I expected this go around. I was hoping for and expecting low 14's.

As you can imagine the truck is severly underfueled. There is absolutely no unburnt fuel with the Predator/Edge stack I was running. In fact, watching the video you'd think I was running stock (even the times are close :rolleyes: ). I haven't had enough time to play with other stacked tunes yet but it's going to start this week. More fuel is definitely a must and a big factor in the current times I believe.

There were some other minor issues that came up at the track that I need to address before my next visit but that's what test n tune's are for. And I had a great time!

I've obviously got a lot of work ahead of me and I'm looking forward to it. I had promised you guys numbers and good or bad there they are. If you're looking for performance gains and don't have class restrictions or don't like the whistle than you can't beat nitrous.

I'm 9060 BTW.

Chad,

Once again, thanks for sharing some honest information, good, bad or indifferent. :ro)

Chad,

Was great to meet you, and nice to share the look at your twins..you must be very proud..

Thanks for the numbers, many have been anxiously waiting for them.

Very interesting, Timdog just brought it to my attention that the mph looked too fast for the ET. So I pulled one of my old 13.62 @ 99 mph timeslips and did a comparison:

Chad's 60 fts are .392 slower than mine.
.900 slower at the eighth
2.829 mph slower at the eighth
to one of my 13.62 @ 99 mph slips at LACR.

Looks like it's just plain taking too long to get the big turbo going. :eek:

.....looks to me like he is just "stepping on it" rather than the old brake/stall most would do. Or maybe it's the shift or timming in the shift? :confused:

........Chad, how are ya leaving the hole?


Sure would be nice to see that set-up on a dyno.........:grd:

Chad ran some awesome times in his other truck, so I'm sure he knows how to drive it.

Brake to 2500 RPM on all but one launch (I was asleep I think).

The 60' and 1/8th times were something that stood out for me as well. The truck pulled very hard on the top end but seemed to be lacking on the bottom end. I just found this time of Brandon's (BMDMAX) from his LLY with the Predator 100 tune only:

60' - 2.162
330 - 6.038
1/8 - 9.280 @ 76.53
1000 - 12.037
1/4 - 14.358 @ 97.19

My times are right in line with his. Had I ran just a little quicker they probably would have laid over each other.

I'm definitely loosing time in 1st gear. I take off hard but the 1-2 shift doesn't happen nearly as quick as in my LB7 (even before the Extreme). I've heard rumor of "torque management" in 1st gear on the LLY. I noticed it before the trans/turbo upgrades, just not to the degree I am now noticing. Once the shift hits it hits hard and the tires (stock) spin a bit. It pulls hard and fast after that.

:confuzeld

Good runs Chad.... sounds like you need more fuel
and a little Tuning.

Good info Thanks!

Hey Chad, what were your pop off set at or how much psi were you making?

Chad- time to keep the BBQ grill in the back, and a couple of extra tanks incase you run out :D until you can get more #2 too those twins

Tripp, it was nothing against Chad.:) Those twins have a mean nature @ or over 8lbs of 4xcompound...and it was his first time at the track with "twins". His runs were pretty xeroxed, I thought he was taking it easy, avoiding the drift, wall or 'exposed' tie-rods. I'm sure that Chad has some good driving under his belt......but this being his first pass with new twin power and a new tranny....... it just looked like he was taking it easy.


........ Sorry, I hope I did not step on any toes.

Tripp, it was nothing against Chad.:) Those twins have a mean nature @ or over 8lbs of 4xcompound...and it was his first time at the track with "twins". His runs were pretty xeroxed, I thought he was taking it easy, avoiding the drift, wall or 'exposed' tie-rods. I'm sure that Chad has some good driving under his belt......but this being his first pass with new twin power and a new tranny....... it just looked like he was taking it easy.


........ Sorry, I hope I did not step on any toes.
What toes? Judging by the timeslips, he was having trouble with his Censored .
It looked to me like the launch, among other things was soft. :D

:joke: :lol:

No toes being stepped on and the tie rods are not exposed.

The launches certainely weren't soft either. I spun all four on all but one of the launches. I was sleeping at the light that time as well. I wasn't taking it easy by any means.

A great deal is different with this truck compared to my LB7. I have to figure things out and appreciate the advice everyone has given me on and off the forum. It will come together.