Guys my buddy just got his toy hauler and he now needs a tow truck. I am trying to talk him into the 2500 duramax like mine but I can tell he is a Ford man. what are the pluses and minuses of each truck? to me its a no brainer with the Allison Tranny, but hes not biting. I dont know anything about the Ford and everyone I know here in town has the 2500 HD. can you all come up with a list for both trucks without just saying FORD SUCKS!!
his requirements are easy 4X4 crew cab is all he cares about. also any difference why he should be an 05 HD vs a used 04 2500 would be appreciated. I dont see a whole lot of used Silverados as it is. but he might be thinking that way too.
thanks in advance!!

All you need to do is tell him to head over to the diesel stop....there is plenty there about why he should get a chevy.....or even a dodge over a ford for that matter.

Smart guy the Ford will please him. Fords by far the best HD truck on the market today. Bar none. There a sweet outfit. The crewcab is where Ford excels tons more room then GM. Best crewcab on the market and sits high like a good truck should. GMs are way to low for my taste. Cant go offroadin with those things would get hung up or break those toothpick tie rods which has happened to people a time or two when going off the beaten path. Just look at the 4 wheel drive front end on a GM and a Ford. GMs is wimpy compared to Ford. IFS is a no no on HDs. Maybe GM will learn this someday.

Let's see who bites?!

I love it when new guys get on here and start talking without testing the waters...I have popcorn in hand, this is going to get good...

I'll Bite!

Humm let me think about that while you go look up the ground clearance on and the ford and the GM specs.....The GM has more ground clearance, better ride, better handeling. Speaking of SFA, all you ford users tell me what you think of them front leaf springs after they are bent the opposite direction. Go ahead, bring up the IFS and the snowplows, I know tons of people in my family have them and a fair amount on here have them. Also the Hummer has IFS! If IFS was such a huge disadvantage, then why do they use it? The interior of the GM is much nicer, more comfortable, and more user friendly. It has a more reliable engine than the PSD. Our injectors are easy to replace compared to the entire engine. The allison transmission is great. Is the torqueshift a transmission, with all of the problems they are having with them things, I am begining to wonder.

The only thing ford has on the GM is the mirrors the brake controller, and maybe the interior size if you are a big person. To date I can't think of anthing else.

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here is why ford smokes chevy. except the chevy didn't get smoked at all. this is on a ford truck enthusiasts site and they can't even defend there own stuff.

):h Should we even bring up cold weather starting??????):h


-:t I have seen a few fords have trouble in the cold mornings.....Like having the owner laid up under the truck heating the oil pan with a propane torch.:D


He should go with what he wants in the end that is all that will make him happy.


Wolford

You know i asked nicely for the chevy guys not to just say ford sucks, which so far they have done. SO what happens?? I get a ford troll in here. SHeesh. and all he talks about is 4X4 ing. Lets be real here, neither of these trucks is a off road animal, not designed to be. THe only thing we require REALLY is to be able to get through snow on the road and maybe some dirt roads in the desert to get to the place where we ride our Motocross bikes. A smart driver is NOT going to be pulling a trailer up a desert hill that would take a Hummer or Landcruiser. Probably the last of the capabilities that is important. so if thats all you can bring to the table then all you are saying is Ford sucks, in what we are asking about here. Towing, trannies, motor, reliability.
Oh well cant say it better than the Ford guy did.

I had a 1999 f350 crew cab, it was a great truck probably the best ive ever had when i bought a new one i went with a 3500 this time. fFord just had to many problems with there 6.0. I still like the roominess of the ford but the chev is very nice also. Ive never driven a ford 6.0 and the 7.3 doesnt even compare to the LLY for performance. If ford gets there bugs worked out, and gm gets there injectors fixed both are very good vehicles

Get the guy to see if the dealer will let him bring both trucks home. I did this with an 05 f-250 CC 4x4 befor I got my GMC. When I got the Ford home I was crawling around the truck and found the bell housing leak that is common on the 6.0. I was willing to deal with the bell housing leak because I really liked the truck. Next morning, after I got it started the thing had a smoke issue. Not the little puffs of white smoke most diesel trucks give, this thing looked like a fog machine. The smoke coverd a 4 lane road to the point I could not see behind me. I also noticed the seat heater quit working on the way back to the dealer. My salesman and I took the truck over to the service department, and the service guy saw it come in and asked what is wrong with this on now. I don't think this was the first tiem he had seen a new truck come in. I wated 3 weeks for them to get the truck back from the shop and it never happend. I think it was about 5 weeks the truck showed back up on the lot.
I may have just picked a bad truck but it scared me off. On the plus side although the GMC feels a little smaller I think the front seats are wider and that fits my rear much better ):h .

Oh yeah this truck does get abused off road pulling a box trailer into new construction sites. In many cases I follw dozers/b-hoes/or t-hoes in to my destinations. Many times the trailer is more sled like than rolling due to the muddy conditions Now I am not out wheeling the truck for fun " I have a IFS Toyota with almost 170,000 miles for that" :lol: but I think this truck is holding up better than my Dodge/ or 02 Ford did.
Tom

Twin turbo.....did you check out the diesel stop? Thats why I sent you there....so you could see what ford owners are saying about Fords......I am smelling more than one troll here....PLEASE PASS THE POPCORN!!

My father in law purchased a 04 F350 CC SRW just before we purchased our 04 3500 SRW. We both haul large campers and drive together much of the time on camping trips, I can say that performance wise the trucks are equal (neither can pull away from the other on hills) and both get 12-13 MPG loaded. Now for the differences Ford pluses, better mirrors, back-up sensors (which suck w/camper or towing), and wider interior(only noticable if you are sitting 3 wide), adjustable accell/brake pedals and keyless entry (key pad on door), minuses Ford is loud, smokes more the rear doors auto lock but dont unlock (I call it the prison) rear seats are not as comfortable as GM. GM pluses, a much better turning radius (8 ft less), of course the allison is superior, lighting is far superior with daytime running lights and all the security lighting options (perimeter lighting when unlocking doors, lights staying on after shutting off truck, theater dimming on interior lights) and being able to customize when doors auto lock and unlock, On star, XM radio, far better trip computer, power extend mirrors,steering wheel controlls and the main reason far better resale value. GM minuses, less shoulder room, no hood, glove box lights.


Now for service issues, My truck was in the shop once for a voluntary Reflash. His F350 has been in for "Turbo Fart" (fords name for a normal condition of the turbo making an unusual noise) He has had repeat failures of a turbo control valve, rear main seal oil leak, and cold start roughness, and "ROMP" (another name given by ford to describe a problem of surging at idle) both of which seem to have been fixed with a Reflash but he lost his quiet idle, now its LOUD.

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I HAVE BOTH TRUCKS!

I have a '04.5 K2500 D Max Ext cab, long box (this is my personal vehicle)

My company supplied truck is a '05 F250 Ext cab, short box, 4x4/Fx4, Gas

Two different engines, so we won't get into that.

The ford has their new coil spring front end. It's the worst setup I have ever driven. I almost wrecked the truck the first day I had it. The front end jumps all over the highway at speed (bridge joints, etc.)

The Gm is much, much more stable.

The steering mechanism on the Ford is tighter, yet the truck wanders on the road more. The GM has steering slop, but tracks right.

Both trucks are 9200gvw.

The Ford rides stiffer. The Chevy is soft, possibly too soft. I intend to change the shocks and turn the t bars on the GM...

Chevy tows a bit better down the road, but the Ford has better brakes.

Seating position in the Ford is more like driving a milk truck/panel van....
Chevy is more raked out with much more comfortable seats.
Overall quality on both is good.
The ford has the big "trailering" mirrors. They are the worst I have ever used. Terrible blind spots.
The Chevy has the standar mirror...works better.

FYI- I tow a 10,000lb boat/trailer, 9.5' wide...

D power I did go over there. It was so sad I had to come back. thanks
Thanks Camper and Tim Great posts!!

Before i bought my 2500HD Duramax, I test drove the SD and the 2500HD. Honestly the only thig i liked about the SD was I thought the ride was a litttle better, theChevy was superior in every other aspect andit was considerably cheaper too. So needless to say i bought the chevy and im very happy with it as I thought I would be,

Pilot injuection on when buying $42000 (all smiling faces),Pilot injection turned Off after first dealer service.No more Power and Louder then old 7.3..He'll lose his A$$-thousands and sell/trade it on a DuraMax,Look at Ford 6.0 prices on Ebay.He might be happy with Ford,I had a hell of a time,About had me looking for the bullets untill I got the 05 SLT 3500 4x4 CC SRW LB Cruise Ship.I do not miss the 04 6.0 F-250 4x4 CC SB. With the D/A I can hear Hank's place with the windows down.And other drivers don't turn around in there seats at lights:cool2: to see with all the noise is about anymore.

All I can base it on is the 2 hr test drive I did on the Ford 6.0.

Ford is perhaps a hair quicker.
Ford has better mirrors and cargo ties.
GM handled better on high speed corners.
GM has a superior seat on the high trim truck.

You can see the trucks I've owned in my signature, I got a new Ford F350 CC 6.0\Auto company truck last year and put 45,000 miles on it in a year, I just got a new F250 CC 6.0\Auto and now have around 1500 miles on it.

The only trouble I had with the 04 is a turbo at 38,000 miles, the new one seems ok, the F250 has the new coil spring setup and I can't tell any difference between the handeling of the 05 and the 04 with the leaf springs, the F250 seems to ride better... the 05 F250 is rated at 10,000 GVWR and the 04 F350 was rated at 9900 GVWR. ???????? Go Figure ???????

The transmission in the Fords acts identical to the Allison I had in my 8.1 & the Duramax, if I didn't know better I'd think it was an Allison.

From my experience if I was off roading the Ford would win hands down, We use our Ford company trucks in off road North East oilfield conditions (and it dosen't get any worse) and they hold up good.

The 6.0 Ford diesel is loud, my truck is plain with little insulation but this thing makes more noises than I can describe, the 6.0 does run well however (not much difference from my Duramax)

The Chevy is much nicer to drive and rides better, and the interior is much more comfortable.

For me it's the GM but if I was going to be beating the crap out of it in the mud all day I might reconsider.

Talk to a company that repairs both types, or modifies both types of vehicles. Hopefully they will be unbiased, and tell the true dirt. I spoke with Banks engineering, and they told me the main difference was in the Allison tranny, much better than Ford or Mopar offers stock. The diesel engines themselves were closer in quality/power, and not as great as difference in power potential or durability, as opposed to the differnce in the trannies offered.

I just unloaded my f350 sd last week after the third tranny in 60,000 miles started to go out. I pull a horse trailer once or twice a month in the summer. The truck was 100% bone stock. It got to the point that I almost hated hooking on to the trailer for a weekend camping trip because I was afraid the damn thing would leave me sitting along the road. That was not a good feeling to spend 38k for a truck I was afraid to drive and enjoy, not to mention the big bite in the wallet each time it needed a tranny. That is what led me to my new lly the peace of mind that comes with owning a truck with a truck tranny. The sd had the exact same tranny that my wifes SUV(expedition) has in it and I am not sure I even trust it in that 1/2 ton at best grocery getter. Go over to www.thedieselstop (http://www.thedieselstop) and just look at all tranny problems those guys are having and all of the money they have to spend on mods trying to get them to hold up.

and just look at all tranny problems those guys are having and all of the money they have to spend on mods trying to get them to hold up.
Not sure that is a fair comparison, look at what we are spending to get the allison to hold extra power $3-5k is not a drop in the bucket.

If you all talk people out of buying Fords or Dodges and they do so, it will be a sad sad day. Nothing to gripe about on the Forum. Anyhow if they buy Fords or Dodges it not our problem, it's theirs!

Good stuff guys I appreciate it. I went over today while he was cleaning his new toy hauler and I saw the first bit of Ford doubt in his eyes after sharing some of your info!!
I love my 2500HD. it does every thing I ask it to do and more. But I got to admit that if Chevy hadnt screwed up and gave me 0% on it. I might have bought a F250
Chevy tried making me resign a new contract and I wouldnt. I said sorry, if there was a problem in your favor you wouldnt have been banging down my door to fix it.

Not sure that is a fair comparison, look at what we are spending to get the allison to hold extra power $3-5k is not a drop in the bucket.
What my impression is that the Ford/Mopar guys need to spend extra money on their trannies just with a stock engine, as opposed with the Dur/All, which for the most part is fine the way it comes stock. If you're going to significantly boost any of the engine outputs from any of the manufacturers, you'll probably have to upgrade the trannie no matter the manufacturer.

Yes, the Allison has trouble handling TWICE THE TORQUE IT WAS DESIGNED TO CARRY, but it doesn't actually "break" and leave you stranded. The hard parts in the Allison are far stronger than anything ever put into a light truck. The clutches are designed to give a good ride at the factory HP. If the factory HP was 500, they would just put different soft parts in it.

That was my point exactly!! The ford tranny has all it can do to hold up in a bone stock truck. Trust me I know this first hand. For the most part it looks like the allison can handle everything the dmax can throw at it, that is unless you start asking it to handle more hp than it was designed for, and then you have nobody to blame other than yourself when it fails

the ford 6.0 liters are having alot of problems with engine and tranny so if he doesnt mind buying a used truck he should consider a 03 or 02 f250 with a 7.3L PSD. If he wants a new truck the chevy lly duramax or the dodge cummins are the safest choices right now. When I was shopping for my truck I wanted to get the dodge but the quad cab just didnt have enough room. The dodges front seat needed to be moved forward to fit the baby seat.
check out thedieselstop.com and read the forums on the 6.0 L

Good discussion! :) Surprised nobody has asked the mo' techie questions like what type of toy hauler did he buy, pin weights, etc. Suffice to say 2500's and pin/ball weights on toy haulers raises an eyebrow! :rolleyes: Regardless of which brand he goes with he needs the right truck to do the job. :cool:

What kind of toy hauler did he buy? He needs to look at GVWR/GCWR/GAWR and buy the tow vehicle that can handle his trailer. I like the fact that he found the RV first, now he's looking for the tow vehicle. :D

As far as Ford or GM thanks to the internet he has the ability to do a considerable amount of research in order to make his decision. Die hard Ford guys are going to buy Ford's regardless of what GM/Dodge boys say and vice-versa! Brand loyalty is a generational thing in some families. Remember, "This isn't your father's Oldsmobile"? GM tried their best to save the Olds division by marketing it to a different crowd, no mo' Olds! :o:

Later. JJ :)

JJ, yes, that is a good question. I think most people buy a diesel for towing/hauling. I don't think as many buy them for racing/motorsport activities, or just cruising around. I bought mine for towing. I wanted a vehicle that could easily tow about 10,000 lbs, and get relatively good mpg doing it. Turbo Diesel.


After finding this site, I'm seriously considering upgrading my Allison and Duramax for more power, hopefully gettting a little better mpg to "justify" spending more money, but also importantly not voiding the warranty on my engine/tranny. I'm still debating which upgrades if any. I'd like to have a faster truck, but pure performance to me is not as important as mpg and durability, as I already have some toys, muscle cars to get my jollies. I figure to do a tranny job and duramax upgrade I expect to spend $2500-3500.

fffrules stated "I figure to do a tranny job and duramax upgrade I expect to spend $2500-3500."

Now that we have our budget let's get to work! :D Don't want to hijack this thread, but from what you posted you might consider an exhaust upgrade and either an E/J w/attitude or Predator for around $1000-$1500 total out of pocket. At 10k lbs there really isn't any reason to upgrade the tranny if you already have performance vehicles. Plenty of intel on the P/P forum. Later. JJ :)

ffrrules: you might as well gave jj your credit card ):h ):h





:badidea: you need :help2: , your on a slippery slope now.

ffrrules: you might as well gave jj your credit card ):h ):h

And here I was thinking I was saving him a grand or two? I'm not a pusher, I'm not a pusher, I'm .............. :D JJ :)

Offering your friend information about the choices between Ford and GM--Good idea. Talking a Ford guy into buying GM----Bad idea. If he buys GM you will hear about every little problem if he buys Ford you can sit back and enjoy the show if he has problems. I had a Ford fan as an employee driving a Chevy and he was always quick to point out any problems with the Chevy. When we replaced his pickup he said another Chevy was OK but I insisted he should have what he really liked, a Ford. As luck would have it the truck he got had more than it's share of problems, it was so nice! I even offered to have his green Ford painted lemon yellow. It was alot more entertaining than having him in a Chevy.

I got an engine right now apart, been apart for several years, that I need to get together before I start any new projects. The long block is almost done. Maybe this summer or fall I'll do something to my truck.

JJ , do you have a truck accessory business?

Nope! Though I have thought about opening up one here in the J'ville area since I've had such a hard time finding any shops in this area that know their stuff when it comes to the Duramax/Allison combos. JJ :)

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Compared a Ford F250 to the Chev 250 Duramax. I thought the interior of the Ford was cheap looking. Duramax much better. Another issue was the airconditioning in the Ford. I stepped on the peddle getting on a highway. The A/C starts to blow warmer air. Once the I leveled out on the peddle the air returned to normal. That is not a good thing here in South Texas. My neighbor has a F350 and he said it is terrible in stop and go traffic in the summer as the A/C keeps blowing hot and cold. When he told me his was a piece of -hit, I bought the Chev Duramax

Have your friend take a look at the latest issue of Diesel Power magazine, good comparison between the big 3. They picked the Ford.

I have owned both and wish I still had the Ford. My observations are much the same as Diesel Power magazine.

Ride: I prefer the firmer ride. The soft, bouncy front and harsh rear on my 2500HD drives me nuts.

Engine: If the Duramax (or at least mine) didn’t have the substantial turbo lag and lack of response when hitting the throttle I would call it a toss up.

Transmission: Toss up. Just because the name Allison is on it doesn’t make it better. In real world everyday driving the torque shift performed just as well in my opinion.

Interior: The Ford has more room plain and simple. I never had to tell my kid to get his knees or feet out of my back in the Ford.

Towing: Toss up. They both tow very well.

MPG: My experience Ford 15 unloaded combined Chevy 16 unloaded combined Towing Ford 12 Chevy 13-14

Another thing I have noticed is the Ford has better paint quality than the Chevy in my opinion. I’m a detail nut and that is just my personal observation.

We base our opinions on our experiences and preferences. Everyone is different. I’m just stating mine. I have many friends with ¾ ton and 1 ton Duramax/Allison and they love them. The only problems I know of are 1 pump and 2 injectors.

I have met many 6.0 PSD who love their trucks as well. Ford sells a greater number of power strokes than GM sells Duramaxs. So, yes there are a greater number of people complaining. But, the percentage of problems are closer than most would like to admit.

Have your friend put plenty of seat time in both to find his preferences. There is not a right or wrong choice here except in the minds of the hardcore brand loyal junkies.

I am not unhappy with my 2500. I have not had any problems with it. I just prefer some aspects of the Ford better. If I keep my 2500 I hope to address some of the things I don’t like from what I have learned in this forum. Specifically; ride and throttle response.

Good luck to your friend whatever his decision.

Blackmax04

That was a great post. The things you mentioned you liked better about the ford over the chevy/gmc are the reasons I chose not to get a ford. But again it is all personal prefrence and after all is said and done, nothing any of us tell someone, it is still up to them to make the decision as to what THEY would like to have. I would sure hate to tell someone to spend 45k + on a truck, then have them be totally unhappy with it.

I have a friend who just got a new f-350 having traded in an 01, I think, and he is not as happy with the new 6.0L. That of course is not to say that he is not happy with the truck. Just disapointed with it's preformance.

Everyone should remember that although we love our trucks, even with their shortcomings, that those shortcomings could infuriate others. Make recomendations with care.

John

P.S. I love my new truck, and personally feel that I would never own a ford. BUT THAT IS MY OPINION ONLY.:)

"Transmission: Toss up. Just because the name Allison is on it doesn’t make it better. In real world everyday driving the torque shift performed just as well in my opinion."
Bit too early in the day to be hitting the hard stuff bro! :drinking: You had me going til you made that statement! ):h JJ :)

I love my 2500HD. it does every thing I ask it to do and more. But I got to admit that if Chevy hadnt screwed up and gave me 0% on it. I might have bought a F250
Chevy tried making me resign a new contract and I wouldnt. I said sorry, if there was a problem in your favor you wouldnt have been banging down my door to fix it.

They tried to do this to me also, so it makes me wonder what the ****. I told them they had to back out the additional cost of the finance rate and it would cost them $1000.00 for me to sign the papers. They had a change of heart.

O my

Smart guy the Ford will please him. Fords by far the best HD truck on the market today. Bar none. There a sweet outfit. The crewcab is where Ford excels tons more room then GM. Best crewcab on the market and sits high like a good truck should. GMs are way to low for my taste. Cant go offroadin with those things would get hung up or break those toothpick tie rods which has happened to people a time or two when going off the beaten path. Just look at the 4 wheel drive front end on a GM and a Ford. GMs is wimpy compared to Ford. IFS is a no no on HDs. Maybe GM will learn this someday.I guess you weren't in the military ! GM builds the vehicle the military depends on to keep our boys safe and to get them through any terrain. Believe me, the H1 goes anywhere !!!! I learned that while serving in the Marine Corps. Look under these H1's and the newer H2's. IFS !!!! The H1's have a more built IFS than the H2's, which have the HD IFS.. The Ford is cheaper to lift.. and yes, it has less moving parts. I guess that's easier to comprehend.. Less Moving Parts.. I dunnnnnno

First of all, I would probably never own a Ford, I have owned 2 trucks with the Allison (01 8.1 & 03 Duramax) I do however drive a Ford crew cab every day (company truck) with the 6.0 & Auto, I had an 04 F350 that I put 47,000 miles on in a year and I now have an 05 F250 that only has 3000 miles and I would have to agree with Blackmax04, I see no difference in everyday driving between the Allison and the Torque shift and I have ran the crap out of the Fords both on the road and in the mud.
With that being said I prefer the GM over the Ford but the transmission is not the deciding factor.

My associate sold me his 02 Dmax ext cab last month with 70k miles on it because he promised my now 16 year old 2 years ago he would keep it in good shape and let him get it when he was 16. He runs a construction business and also has a '95 F250 with 180k miles that he drives every day as the work truck. No engine or tranny problems ( owns his own shop). He bought an 05 F350 Crew Cab PowerStroke with all the options (retail $52,000) and hates it. Says he wants his old 02 Duramax back. Offered to trade even-kidding. The Ford/Chevy debate to me is all in your own preferances. I had an 03 Excursion diesel for 3 years, had no problems, but disliked the interior. I like my 04.5 Dmax much better..Just personal opinion. Both are good vehicles with pros and cons. What matters is if you spend 2 hours each day in a vehicle, you should be comfortable.

Yah the blue oval and bowtie debate will go on forever. It sure has made for some great trucks for all of us to enjoy. The rivalry between the two companies has made for some awesome trucks. Dodge yah I left you guys out. Sorry its a Ford Chevy thing. Dodge us an afterthought for most people. Dodge does not have the loyalty like Ford and Chevy. The sales battle between the two has been neck and neck since the two companies have existed. Yah Im a Ford guy and it shows in my posts. But thats all I ever had. My Dad and his Dad. I think thats the same way with a lot off you guys. Sorry if I riled any off you guys up with my posts must be that blue blood in me. Yup I bleed Ford blue. But its nice to have choices. When Ford debuted there powerstroke in 1994. GMs diesel sales plummeted. With the problematic 6.5 and the 7.3s relaibility and way more power it was the beginning off the end for the 6.5. The duramax finally was the answer in 2001. The 6.0 has had some problems but the duramax has too. GM has gained market share with the new diesel. We have choices. Each truck is different. Id say whatever your happy with. Enjoy. Who cares what I or anybody else say. What makes you happy. Fords have been very good for me over the years. I have never had an issue with them. And they have seen some rough use as well. Thats why I keep buyin them. Youve guys probaly have had the same experiece too. Good Luck on whatever truck you buy.

I am an owner of a 99 F350 CC Turbo Diesel. It has 57K mi. on it. I am on my 4th Torque converter, and Second Turbo...There is now a For Sale sign in its window.

For what it is worth...the Ford's reliability is why I am reading the Duramax Forums...:( ...I do know one thing...I will not be a Ford owner for much longer.

Sorry for your hard luck with your truck. I know of several PSD owners who have over 300,000 miles with no issues at all. What do you pull with your truck?. Are you running a chip. Any mods at all. Im just curious. It seems like low miles with the trouble youve had. Good Luck on your future truck whatever it is.

I have both the F250 01 and the Dmax 05. Love them both but for different reasons. I would recommend either truck, just choose the one that has more of what you are looking for in a truck.

Sorry for your hard luck with your truck. I know of several PSD owners who have over 300,000 miles with no issues at all. What do you pull with your truck?. Are you running a chip. Any mods at all. Im just curious. It seems like low miles with the trouble youve had. Good Luck on your future truck whatever it is.
Most of my miles are from my 4 mile commute, hence the low miles. I tow about 1500 miles a year. I have a 11' Lance camper, as well as a 21' Crownline that I towed for those 1500 mi. The truck is pretty much a vanilla stock, Lariat, Off Road edition. Seems weird to me too...:confused: A 1 tonner should be able to handle the meager workload I put it through...

I have decided to cut my losses, and try another brand while I still have a decent amount of equity in the truck...

I do like the new turning radiius of the new fords. Its nutty!

The ford trans does not function like an allison 1/2 the time and the internal parts are not anywear near as beefy. In TH mode the converter locks up midway through 2 and stays locked. Cant tell what the ford does in TH mode unless its maybe grade breaking?

The IFS isweak cracks me up! I plow snow and cary a 9'6" fisher ezV that is way over 900#'s and my truck caries it great! It also holds up fine to 4x4 launches with boost on pavement. Ask the kids in the SRT4's LS1's or the mustangs how hard my truck comes off the line or how bad I beat em and if they think my front end is weak. I've also seen the effects of plowing on a 2000 550 with one of those "HD" front ends. Just becasue they are SFA dont mean they hold up.

I suppose if having a truck that sits up high(with no added ground clearance) just so you can look like you have a big truck is important to you ford wins there. Also if you want your truck to ride stiff and "like a truck" then buy ford or dodge or change the shocks on the chevy. I like having a soft smooth ride.

Hopefully I dont have to tell my dad "I TOLD YOU SO" since he just got a new 550.
Oh.......10 head bolts per head:badidea: thats brilliant! How come you read more issues with the fords poping headgaskets instead of the "durajunk" aluminum heads):h

Ford does sell more trucks than Chevrolet but what happens when you add the GMC and the Chevy duramax sales together???