Atleast thats what the guy who works at Checker Auto Parts says out here in Vegas.

Let me give you guys the quick version of the story....

I go to Checker last night to update and stock up on my car wash, and detailing necessities. I over here one of the young punks that works there (im 24 years old myself, and heavily tatto'ed so maybe im being hypocritical ;) ) and he's telling an older gentleman that just walked in that they dont carry any Rotella, and not to waste your time with the Delvac cause its just crap oil, and you dont need to run anything thick in a Duramax. Instead he's trying to sell this guy on the new Mobil 1 Truck & SUV stuff.

To make a longer story shorter, i tell the guy he can go pick up some Delvac at Walmart around the corner for about $6/gallon, and that depending on his driving habits, and truck use that douchebag is right somewhat right about using a thicker oil. I explain to him that i only use Delvac, and i like the thick stuff because i do alot of hard driving, and occasional towing, not too mention summer is coming up out here and it gets slightly H-O-T-T !!!!!

Well, "douchebag" hears me refer to him as that and tells me to leave the store. I tell him i will gladly leave, and put the roughly $75 worth of car detail items on the counter, and tell scumbag that im going down the street to Auto Zone, then the older gentleman tells him that "in all my 63 years, ive never dealt with anyone more rude in my life", and says hes going to Walmart. :D

What a great night.

Well the kid dont know crap but mobil 1 truck and suv is actually rebadged delvac or so its believed IIRC

Isn't Mobil 1 Truck & SUV the same as Delvac 1?

Edit: Damn Ratlover...I guess great minds think alike. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/lol.gif

We discussed this a while ago.....I think someone emailed Mobil on it and got a reply that they were essentially the same thing, didn't they?

-b-rian, think about where you were when you heard that and who from and take it with a grain of salt......

I run Mobil Delvac 1300 and have not had a lick of trouble.

Tom

I've never seen an anything stating that Mobil has said yes one way or the another, but I've seen VOA(Virgin Oil Analysis results) of Delvac 1 and Mobil T&S and the results were extremely close. If you go to bob is the oil guy's website you'll find out more than you ever need to know about oils' additives etc....

OK...search time

Corsair saying it's possible: http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9692&highlight=mobil

John@DPS states he has written sheet on it (2nd page) http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10427&page=2&pp=20&highlight=mobil+truck+suv

The first discussion. If you get frankblum and jpblock involved, you know they have been researching it: http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4482&page=1&pp=20&highlight=mobil+truck+suv

Also, it looks like OC_DMAX may know quite a bit about this, his posts are usually informative on the subject.

I still seem to remember someone getting an email back from Mobil and posting it, but for the life of me I can't remember who it was.

Tom (dang, I like the search feature)

Delvac 1 vs. Truck & SUV....

It depends on when the samples were taken, as the formulas are subject to change.

Last year Delvac 1 was considerably heavier, about 75%, on the Boron than Truck & SU. If all other things were equal that would still make them different.

We'd have to do a retest today to see the current differences if any.

I doubt Mobil will talk. They'd say it's all proprietary.

Atleast thats what the guy who works at Checker Auto Parts says out here in Vegas.

Let me give you guys the quick version of the story....

I go to Checker last night to update and stock up on my car wash, and detailing necessities. I over here one of the young punks that works there (im 24 years old myself, and heavily tatto'ed so maybe im being hypocritical ;) ) and he's telling an older gentleman that just walked in that they dont carry any Rotella, and not to waste your time with the Delvac cause its just crap oil, and you dont need to run anything thick in a Duramax. Instead he's trying to sell this guy on the new Mobil 1 Truck & SUV stuff.

To make a longer story shorter, i tell the guy he can go pick up some Delvac at Walmart around the corner for about $6/gallon, and that depending on his driving habits, and truck use that douchebag is right somewhat right about using a thicker oil. I explain to him that i only use Delvac, and i like the thick stuff because i do alot of hard driving, and occasional towing, not too mention summer is coming up out here and it gets slightly H-O-T-T !!!!!

Well, "douchebag" hears me refer to him as that and tells me to leave the store. I tell him i will gladly leave, and put the roughly $75 worth of car detail items on the counter, and tell scumbag that im going down the street to Auto Zone, then the older gentleman tells him that "in all my 63 years, ive never dealt with anyone more rude in my life", and says hes going to Walmart. :D

What a great night._____________

b-rian? Was the rude person that the 63 old gent spoke of you or the clerk? Calling a working person a "douchebag" and referring to them as a "young Punk" and a "scumbug" is gonna get you poked in the snoot. Class act. Something tells me that, like Custer, you got it coming.

Mudbug.... the clerk was the rude person that the older gent was referring too. Theres more to the story about the clerk and i, and our dis-like for each other because we went to high school together. ;)

Bac... i take everything with a grain of salt. :)

Ive heard the same as well about M1-T&SUV being rebadged Delvac, but until they discontinue Delvac, then i guess ill never know its differences.

Just recently, Mobil Delvac 1 was upgraded to the CI-4 Plus rating. The specs for Mobil 1 Truck and SUV are currently at CI-4 only (no plus rating). So as mentioned above, the products are always changing. At this moment in time, the formulation is slightly different between the two. Mobil acknowledges the differences in one sentence and then adds "it is proprietary" a few words later. I suspect the basestock is identical, just a slight tweak in the additive package. In either case, both are great products. JBPLOCK has an email from Mobil documenting the small differences between Delvac 1 and Mobil 1 Truck & SUV, as of April 4, 2005.

The links below are courtesy of JBPLOCK:

The Technical Differences between CI-4 and CI-4+ are documented here:

http://www.infineum.com/information/api-heavyduty-ci4-2004.html


A discussion of the differences between CI-4 and CI-4+ are available here:

http://fleetowner.com/equipment/feature/fleet_engine_oils_adding/

Just recently, Mobil Delvac 1 was upgraded to the CI-4 Plus rating. The specs for Mobil 1 Truck and SUV are currently at CI-4 only (no plus rating). So as mentioned above, the products are always changing. At this moment in time, the formulation is slightly different between the two. Mobil acknowledges the differences in one sentence and then adds "it is proprietary" a few words later. I suspect the basestock is identical, just a slight tweak in the additive package. In either case, both are great products. JBPLOCK has an email from Mobil documenting the small differences between Delvac 1 and Mobil 1 Truck & SUV, as of April 4, 2005.

The links below are courtesy of JBPLOCK:

The Technical Differences between CI-4 and CI-4+ are documented here:

http://www.infineum.com/information/api-heavyduty-ci4-2004.html


A discussion of the differences between CI-4 and CI-4+ are available here:

http://fleetowner.com/equipment/feature/fleet_engine_oils_adding/


See? I thought he'd know.....):h

Thanks T-Rex and OC!

Tom

Well obviously the kid at Checker is correct. I mean, after all, this is why he is working in a parts store protecting society from evil oil and saving lost souls. Someone should get this kid's name and nominate him for a Nobel Prize or something of that caliber. And since he sells oil daily, he should undoubtedly know quality oil--much more than someone of George Morrison's character.

I think it was George Burns that once said "It's too damn bad all the people that could really run this country right are stuck driving taxi cabs and cutting hair."



OK, being serious, the kid is definitely entitled to his opinion, IF HE IS EDUCATED ABOUT THE SUBJECT! Arguments based on false info are a waste of everybody's time! And finally on my :rant: , I'd like to say that if you're gonna be stupid, you'd better be tough!

Well obviously the kid at Checker is correct. I mean, after all, this is why he is working in a parts store protecting society from evil oil and saving lost souls. Someone should get this kid's name and nominate him for a Nobel Prize or something of that caliber. And since he sells oil daily, he should undoubtedly know quality oil--much more than someone of George Morrison's character.

I think it was George Burns that once said "It's too damn bad all the people that could really run this country right are stuck driving taxi cabs and cutting hair."



OK, being serious, the kid is definitely entitled to his opinion, IF HE IS EDUCATED ABOUT THE SUBJECT! Arguments based on false info are a waste of everybody's time! And finally on my :rant: , I'd like to say that if you're gonna be stupid, you'd better be tough!
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Anyone doing an honest day's work has their dignity. While you're nominating for the Nobel, nominate your runnin buddy, "b-rain", too. Your last line,,,,,, applys to a few here, I think. Possibly even you? And I'm sure you're tuff enuff.

"b-rain", remember, jail is no exceuse for a bad tatoo.
We'll let it go at that.

Mudbug

Well actually, I'm not very tough, so I try my best to be smart, Mudbug.

And I don't need a lecture on respect...I constantly argue to friends and family that a truck driver's job is no less important than a brain surgeon's. We need both professions to keep this country and every other country running.

I was being sarcastic and thought it might be kinda funny to some. I'm not knocking the kid for working at Checker--I'm knocking him for arguing about something he clearly hasn't taken the time to inform himself about. I would completely respect someone's opinion that Delvac sucks if they are well educated about the oil and can offer solid reasons why it indeed sucks.

Well actually, I'm not very tough, so I try my best to be smart, Mudbug.

And I don't need a lecture on respect...I constantly argue to friends and family that a truck driver's job is no less important than a brain surgeon's. We need both professions to keep this country and every other country running.

I was being sarcastic and thought it might be kinda funny to some. I'm not knocking the kid for working at Checker--I'm knocking him for arguing about something he clearly hasn't taken the time to inform himself about. I would completely respect someone's opinion that Delvac sucks if they are well educated about the oil and can offer solid reasons why it indeed sucks.___
Keep working on that trying your best to be smart. It'll payoff one day and you'll be glad you made the effort and no lecture meant. I do believe you in what you said; That you constantly argue with friends and family.

FWIW, there are probably a lot fewer brain surgeons out there than there are truck drivers so one might debate the importance of which and who but not the respect piece of it. But, then again, there probably ain't that many folks out there with enough brains to be concerned about so the ratio of need for drivers and surgeons probably equals out, I guess one might could also argue. Agreed that we need both.

Apologies for the rest. I misread what you were on about. It's not about diesels or oils. etc. but if you've not yet read the book, "The Bell Curve", give it a look see. Smarten you right up.
Mudbug

Please oh wise and all knowlegable grand one, what other teachings can you spew forth so we can be as enlightend as you?

I thought that Checkers used Wesson Oil...to fry their Chicken? "Jou-wahn flies wi-dat?"

RF

Hey Rat--that was aimed at Mudbug, correct?

It seems that I've pissed quite a few people off in the last couple days, but I don't feel a bit bad about what I've posted in this thread.

Mudbug, you can go p i s s up a rope as far as I'm concerned. You obviously set out to be a p r i c k, and you've succeeded in that.

We don't need your elitist attitude, 'cause this is more a blue collar crowd. Maybe theyuppieplace.com would be more to your liking?

coyotekid, yes.

Edit: I shoulda kept my mouth shut.....maybe he was having a bad day. I shouldnt have let what he said strike a nerve especially since it wasnt aimed at me in particular. Maybe mudbug is a nice guy and just comes off as a pr!ck in this thread? We definatly dont need anymore nagativity or BS around here.....sorry to start more or keep:stirthepo

Thanks, I'm glad to hear it. :)

Thanks, I'm glad to hear it. :)___________
ratkisser and coyote; You 2 talk about folks with elitelist atitudes and negativity? Will wonders never cease. I am 'blue collar'. You 2 sound like spoiled azz brats and I think that's probably the case. It's good to smoke you out, though.

ratkisser, try "The Bell Curve", too. You could use a little smartening up. It might point out to you where you are on the food chain. Lower quartile, possibly lower decile, I'm thinking but what would a blue collar guy like me know about things like that?

blue collar mudbug

:rolleyes: :wtf1:

Mudpacker,

I appreciate the opportunity to hone my "dealing with asshole" skills, cause I don't get much practice since there are very few people I don't get along with.

But for the sake of getting along, I'm willing to admit I came across a bit abrupt and was in a pissy mood when I posted before. How about we start fresh--I'm not going to hold any grudges.

Peace?

Where is Rodney King when you need him? ):h You guys are going to scare Brian off, must be the high fuel prices under everybody's skin. :)

Mudpacker,

I appreciate the opportunity to hone my "dealing with asshole" skills, cause I don't get much practice since there are very few people I don't get along with.

But for the sake of getting along, I'm willing to admit I came across a bit abrupt and was in a pissy mood when I posted before. How about we start fresh--I'm not going to hold any grudges.

Peace?________-
Hey,coyote-KID!!
You've now gone and grown from "constantly arguing with" to "very few I dont get along with". I see progress. Like you, I agree - Peace it is. Let's call it good and go from here. Let me tell you why I got my tail up over my back with b-rian, then you, then ratlover. And I do realize that my remarks might very well have been misplaced to the 3 of you.

About July of last year I was in Wal-Mart (automotive section, buying oil). A young guy walked up and was quietly talking to a young woman and she started crying, not uncontrollably but crying. He held her trying to calm her. They were right next to me. He had just told her, his wife, that he'd been called up for Iraq. It was sort of awkward but I slowly stuck my hand out to shake his and thank him, and her, for their sacrifice that they were about to make. A short conversation followed. Come to find out, he worked at McDonalds, she, there at w.m. Not exactly 2 of the best and most prestigious jobs or places to work and far from brain surgeons. How much money you reckon she'll have to get by on while he's gone? I left wally world with a f'n knot in my throat and feeling a lot more humble than when I went in.

A good, very good, friend of mine has a son who work(ed)s at Auto Zone. He was called up in January to go. He's newly married with a new baby. He worked 2 jobs. One at AZ and the other, part time, stocking shelves at Home Depot on nights/weekends. Again, not too prestigious. How much money you reckon his new wife and baby will get while he's gone? My good friend is disabled so not much help there.

My son-in-law, a prison guard, was called up in March for Afghanistan.

These folks, burger flippers, clerks, etc. aren't Nobel Candidates and never will be. They may not ever be "good enough" to deserve "our respect" for what they do in their worklife. They may not know their azz from a hole in the ground of all or any of which they speak (like a few here, for example). But they are good enough to answer the call, leave it all and put themselves in harm's way for me and mine, to protect us. You never know who you are talking to out there and you never know what their trials and ordeals in life are. After 911, we all became a lot more respectful of each other, for a while. So, yeah, I do get more than a little pissed when I read and hear things like have been said here and what those references infer as far as "them" being "lesser people". But, that's really my problem and not yours or others. However, these folks that have "the attitudes" about things of this nature,,,well, Coyotekid, by my reckoning, they couldn't stand high enough on their mothers and fathers shoulders to be able to kiss those working folk's asses. You can pretty much tell the measure of a person by the way they treat those that they dont "have" to be respectful to.

You're right Coyotekid. A feller should always keep his "dealing with assholes" skills up to date. Nuff said, let's move on. Apologies for hijacking this wonderful, informative thread.

mudpacker

:hug: :Handshake :hug: :Handshake

All my petty stuff aside, those are some great stories, and you make an extremely valid point.

I guess maybe we're more on the same page than I previously thought. I guess I was basically trying to say what you stated much better than me through the examples in your last post.

Bottom line: This has been an eye-opener for me. It's a good reminder that I should remember that my shoes are damn comfy compared to a lot of other peoples'. And after all, we're in this together.

Thanks Mudbug.

Those aren't stories. Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it, Dude.

So, how's that D-max a runnin, Coyotekid? :)
Mine's a late 2002 GMC D-maxalli, 4x4, cc,swb,70k miles, box stock except for 4" MBRP exhaust and Bilsteins. Have had absolutely no issues with it except for the front running lights not lasting too long. Bout ready to try a set of 285's on it. I'm struggling with whether to 'chip' it or not. Right now, I'm leaning to not doing it. Last year's trips to Montana, then Wyoming, then back to Colorado (from La.) averaged + 18mpg at ~ 65-70 mph (w/265's). Dont know about Delvac, have been running Rotella syn since the 1st change but will most likely go to M1 truck and suv oil, just to see. Like most folks here, I probably waaaayy over do it when it comes to fluid changing frequencies. But, it's only money!

Take'er easy.
mudpacker

LOL...Ok, so they're not technically stories--personal accounts, perhaps?

"Chip it!" A mild tow-tune in the realm of approximately 40-50 RWHP really makes them come alive and doesn't hurt mileage in my experience if you continue to drive in a sane manner. Most of these tunes don't smoke and are pretty much like a stock truck on steroids. The new Edge EZ might be a good option for you?

My next upgrade has got to be exhaust to get the EGTs down a bit and make the turbo spool quicker. How do you like the MBRP? I'm debating whether I "need" 409 stainless or 304.

Well, here we go with the chip decision again!!! Now you've got me leaning back in the "pro" direction. I've been looking hard at and considering the Predator and the diagnostics capability piece is a large part of it. I think it was on the TSB thread(?) here that someone had given a listing of all of the fault codes and what they were. I printed that one out.

I bought the truck to tow a 5th wheel with and have never done it and probably never will! Had a change of plans. I put the 304 MBRP on mine last year and I like it. No drone, nice tone and it seems to spool up noticeably faster than the stock one. I notice that, like when merging onto the Interstate or passing on a 2 lane, she just sprints into it faster than with stock. I dont have egt gauges, obviously, so I cant tell if it dropped at all.
From what I can read and cipher on the exhaust, the stock muffler is the choke point not the tubes (I dont have a cat) and no secret there but by the time you bring it to a muffler shop, have them nipple up and nipple back down and do all opf the welding on both ends of a new 4" muffler, you're about cost wise at the same place as a new, total MBRP, + you got it all in s.s. without welds to rust and rot. Mine was bought out of Minn. and shipped from Tenn. Cost was ~425$ (with a straight cut, 5" tip)+ 35$ shipping. No problem yet with the clamps or hangers on the system and I check'em everytime I'm underneath it, wasting my money changing out perfectly good fluids!

:beerchug:

(BTW I do think I have pics of me kissing and hugging my BBC:eek: ):h )

Where is Rodney King when you need him? ):h You guys are going to scare Brian off, must be the high fuel prices under everybody's skin. :)
Brian's a pretty big guy, and im pretty sure he's not scared of too much, well except heights. ;)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so muds comments dont bother me at all.

As far as the high fuel prices go...dont get me started on that. I just washed my 96 impala the other day and filled it up down the street with 91 for $2.82/gallon. :help:

Good thing i dont drive it too much.

Brian's a pretty big guy, and im pretty sure he's not scared of too much, well except heights. ;)
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so muds comments dont bother me at all.

As far as the high fuel prices go...dont get me started on that. I just washed my 96 impala the other day and filled it up down the street with 91 for $2.82/gallon. :help:

Good thing i dont drive it too much._______________

We're ok, Brian. Peace, man. Diesel in my immediate area is right at + - 2.20/gal. 91 Octane is ~ 2.32/gal. We're talking filling up with Murphy stuff at Wal-Mart. But, whatcha gonna do? I just wonder how much that synthetic stuff we buy and use is helping us on that.
mudbug

Diesel in Las Vegas right now is anywhere from $2.50-$2.75/gallon depending on where you go. Out at the Speedway right now, its right around $2.65 because NHRA is here this weekend, and everyone knows those boys fill up before rolling out.
I dont really complain about it anymore, i just suck it up and roll out. :)

EDIT: Its $2.82 a gallon right now out at Las Vegas Motor Speedway. :eek:

I was thinking of going with Amsoil. What do you guys think? Is it a waist of $ or is it really as good as they claim it is?:cool:

I was thinking of going with Amsoil. What do you guys think? Is it a waist of $ or is it really as good as they claim it is?:cool:
Ive never used it, simply for the fact that its not sold in stores out here. I always ran Mobil 1 in my other cars, and will continue to run it in my truck until it does me wrong.

Well everyone has their opinions, some right and some wrong. Note to self: See Dmaxallitech signature for further reference...