I ran across this product in a recent issue of Four Wheeler magazine. Normally I would not give this type of product much consideration but Four Wheeler claims to have experienced a 10% increase in fuel economy over a 1 year test on a diesel pickup. So, it makes me wonder...
The web site is http://www.turbo3000d.com/index.asp

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Oh No not the snake oil again!!! If the vendors here don't carry it, it probally isn't worth it.

The only way something like could work is if air restriction makes more power. Nothing you put inline on the boost line is going to have any effect on air direction by the time the air goes through the manifold and the 2 intake valves, and the piston cycle.

Now, does air restriction make more HP? On gas engines, smaller intake runners and carb throats will make more low RPM power. Will it work on a turbo diesel? Dunno. But it will lose peak HP and fuel efficiency at WOT.

Like putting in a smaller engine can sometimes increase mileage, so can "detuning" your existing motor.

McRat, this thing is made to go on the fuel line and is supposed to help the fuel burn more completely. I think you might have been talking about an air intake type of device?

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DOH!!!! I was thinking it was another "Tornado".

Nope, a fuel line restriction is the LAST thing we need!!! And once the fuel goes through the CP3 high pressure pump, there is not a damn thing that device can do.

Worse than snake oil, the guy is actually lying. No WAY can that increase mileage.

Things like that just make me shake my head. It is a sad commentary on people in general that they have ever sold even one. They give no mention of what the thing actually does other than "changing the travel action" (whatever-the-hell that means) of the fuel. Then they say it shouldn't be on the high pressure side of a diesel IP, but works well put on the low pressure side. Now does anybody really think that the fuel "travel action" in front of the pump really matters after it goes from basically atmospheric pressure to 20,000 psi, then through a tiny orifice in the injector. If I ever saw anybody buying that I would slap them just out of principle.

Yeah, baloney.

I went to their website and they list two patents by the same guy - Doug Scoten. They don't refer to a specific diesel app, but here's just a snippet of the "science" behind it:

"It is believed that the agitation and mixing action of the fuel causes violent molecular vibrations leading to a greater displacement of the atoms from their equilibrium lattice positions thereby placing the fuel, which is still in a liquid state, close to a vapor state, but ready to be vaporized in the engine. It is believed that this action causes the engine to operate much more efficiently and thus lowering the exhaust emissions of carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons."

WTFever. Violent mixing action? Anyone could tell that there's more "violent mixing" in the fuel tank than in this stupid thing.

What the hell is "close to a vapor state?" GMAFB!

Oh yeah, and it's all based on exactly one data point.

Maybe the patent examiners were laughing so hard when they read it, they just let it go.

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Did you see all the letters from the guys over at the TDR site!!!!! :idiot: , that just goes to show you how dumb SOME of those Dodge guys are!!!!

Ok, back to work, I had my laugh for the day!!! ):h ):h

...Maybe the patent examiners were laughing so hard when they read it, they just let it go.

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Don't get me started on patent examiners. It would seem the patent office is woefully short of scientific people and most any idiotic scheme can get a patent as long as they put enough big words in it.

And I hate to tell those idiots that designed that stupid thing, but to get the liquid closer to a vapor state, you have to add energy. So unless you are inputting energy into that thing, simple mixing isn't going to get it done. In this forum we obey the laws of thermodynamics!!! (in your best Homer Simpson voice)

well i guess i was one of those suckers that bought into this. had mine on for about a month now. i have to say, i picked up about a 1/2 - 3/4 mpg so far. did not change anything else. drive the same all the time,(same route to work etc) i have the edge ***. and thats it as far as tuning goes. will have to give it more time to see what happens.

Well, here's my take on it:

If the thing actually does something, then I won't argue with data. But to do that would require an experiment with it on and off the truck for an A vs. B comparison. The other requirement would be that you do not know whether it's on the truck or not. I could design the whole experiment if you like, but I doubt anyone here will be interested enough to really evaluate it scientifically.

What I really dislike is the BS "science" behind the explanation. If it works, and you don't fully understand why, that's fine. But to throw some jargon out, luring people into thinking that it's high-tech, luring them into spending $200, I think is just wrong.

The other thing I don't like is that they give you a 60-day return priviledge - but they also say that it takes 12k-15k mi to "break in." Whether they're being purposfully disingenuous or not, that kind of statement has "scam" all through it!

I'm willing to test one scientifically and report the results here, but ain't no way I'm payin' for it.

If it works on your truck, great.

But I would certainly take a better look at your mileage data. Our trucks mileage does improve over time due to reduced internal friction. You should measure your mileage, then remove the device, and measure again.

You should measure your mileage, then remove the device, and measure again. Pat, that's not even enough. My mileage goes up and down 10% depending on a whole number of things. So statistically, one on/off test doesn't prove anything. It could be explained by random chance alone, i.e, one coin flip.

In some stat training I had, we came across a simplified test that they called "the six pack test." If you want to do an A-vs.-B comparison, use 6 tests, and they must be run in random order. If you then rank-order the resulting data and find all three of A or B grouped together as the "best" results, then you can be 95% confident in the results and that the effect did not happen by random chance alone.

Ya hafta hold other variables constant as best you can, too.

I'm not downing anyone who buys one. Just realize before you buy, that the manufacturer is going way out on a limb with the explanation of how it works, and furthermore, presents pitiful data in support.

Caveat Emptor! (buyer beware).

well i guess i was one of those suckers that bought into this. had mine on for about a month now. i have to say, i picked up about a 1/2 - 3/4 mpg so far. did not change anything else. drive the same all the time,(same route to work etc) i have the edge ***. and thats it as far as tuning goes. will have to give it more time to see what happens.
maybe the increase is from your fuel supplier switching from winter blend to summer blend about the same time you installed the device...

The first sentence should tell you how scientific their tests were:
""It is believed....."

Also what is this BS about:
"60-day return priviledge - but they also say that it takes 12k-15k mi to "break in.""

Who drives 12-15K in 60 days (average joe's???)
And what is there to break in.........your wallet?


The feds are all over the auto manufacturers to increase efficiency/lower emissions by reducing fuel consumption. Don't you think this would be installed at the factory if the gains were so impressive.....

I can't wait until the first one causes a fuel starvation issue and ruins the factory pump...... It probably won't matter as the company (most likely an LLC) will be defunct and the former owners living the good life down in Mexico.

sorry rant off

EDIT This is directly from their website:


Q. Will the TURBO3000D work on all diesel engines?
A. Due to installation difficulties, additional research may be necessary on the following engines prior to installation: C-12 Cat, Ford Power Stroke, Cummins ISX and the new Isuzu GM diesel engine. The TURBO3000D is easily installed on ALL other engines. Please call the Technical Center for further information on the aforementioned engines prior to purchase.


Q. What is the “clean-out period”?
A. The clean-out period is the 30 day period (or the equivalent of 12,000-15,000 miles of driving) after the installation of the TURBO3000D. This is the period during which the existing carbon buildup is removed from the engine.
SO FUEL TURBULENCE BEFORE THE PUMP CLEANS CARBON OUT OF YOUR MOTOR.........SIGN ME UP.
This seems like the perfect cure for those LLY owners with dirty intakes...:lol: :joke:

I won't say it doesn't work, but with what little I know of chemistry and physics, I don't see how it can....time will tell I guess.

yeah time will tell. i had appr. 20k on motor before install, so i'm fairly confident its broke in. maybe fuel went from winter to summer blend, dont know. maybe someone who is an expert or knows more could call this company and drill them for information? would be interesting. :)

The only way something like could work is if air restriction makes more power. Nothing you put inline on the boost line is going to have any effect on air direction by the time the air goes through the manifold and the 2 intake valves, and the piston cycle.

Now, does air restriction make more HP? On gas engines, smaller intake runners and carb throats will make more low RPM power. Will it work on a turbo diesel? Dunno. But it will lose peak HP and fuel efficiency at WOT.

Like putting in a smaller engine can sometimes increase mileage, so can "detuning" your existing motor.Mcrat, having spent enough hours behind a flow bench, let me clarify. Its not air restriction that makes more low end horsepower, but rather, the higher velocity at low flow, low rpm, which allows for a more efficient cylinder filling, that creates more low rpm power. This low rpm high velocity is ususally created by a smaller sized port to increase the flow speed (velocity) of the fuel mixture. Retriction has nothing to do with it but is commonly mistaken for creating low end torque.

So far this year, I am seeing more then a 25% savings in fuel use, even with the higher price of diesel I am seeing huge savings. Year to date, I have spend about $1,000 less this year, compared to last year (Year to date!)

Oh ya! I forgot to mention, I am not driving much at all compared to last year. ;)

There will always be scams around, you have to read very carefully before buying into them.

If you want to save 10% in fuel cost, you must drive less, drive more sensible, or get a vehicle that gets better mileage. Those are about your only choices! :)

check your tire pressure.....its cheaper.........