http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1230011&page=29

Reportedly, this limousine will use an Isuzu DMAX engine instead of the current Northstar V8 engine. Because of the extra security needed in today's limousines, GM reportedly chose the DMAX (a joint venture of GM and Isuzu, 67-33) engine for this limousine. Reportedly the 4.5 litre Duramax V8, a new DMAX powerplant, will be inside this limo.

Already in pre-production?

I think there are some peeps speaking out of their a$$. The 6.6 Duramax was a joint venture with Isuzu. But the 4.5 is a clean sheet engine from GM. The 4.5 is a light duty diesel that is expected to be available in 1/2 ton trucks, Tahoes, and Suburbans. Also it could be the base engine for the 3/4 ton trucks.

Word is the engine is a 6.5, just like the Hummers use.
Ted

from what it soundslike it is the new super dooper 6.5 that has been going in uparmored hummers(forged steel crank and girddle) mechanical(milspec) fuel pump. supposedly only does 60mph. General Engine Products(GEP) still only lists the Optimizer 6500 on their website, not upgraded engine.

Im embarrassed that Obama rides in a GM vehicle. I dont want to have anything in common with him. Why doesn't he just get his followers to carry him around on a throne?

As for his vehicle, I heard that it has a 6.5 in it. I could be wrong but it seems crazy that they would but a virtually untested engine in our president's limo. Also those limos are built on 2500 frames and weigh a s#!tload with all the bulletproofing and suspension built strong enough to haul his massive ego around, so I doubt they would stick a 4.5 that was designed for a 1/2 ton in it.

as said already. its the 6.5L pre-duramax motor. The military has a huge stock/surplus of these. Plus they can run on any diesel, not just ultra low sulfur. Comes in handy when he is travelin in other parts of the world.

But as said, NObama can kiss off. he should drive a prius like all his tree huggin people. The guy is full of himself, reads from a teleprompter, and while he is a good speaker, he lacks experience and knowledge.

as said already. its the 6.5L pre-duramax motor. The military has a huge stock/surplus of these. Plus they can run on any diesel, not just ultra low sulfur. Comes in handy when he is travelin in other parts of the world.

But as said, NObama can kiss off. he should drive a prius like all his tree huggin people. The guy is full of himself, reads from a teleprompter, and while he is a good speaker, he lacks experience and knowledge.
You know of any politician that doesn't read from a teleprompter...?

GM will be scorched during this trying time, but will come out better off. Trimming dead brands and focusing are Good ThingsTM.

-bZj

haha his brand new cadillac has a 6.5? Yeah right. It wouldnt work for a number of reasons. First of all electronics. All of the body electronics in the current caddy DTS platform are all high speed and low speed GMLAN. The instrument clusters, body computers, and everything else in the whole vehicle NEED to be in communication with the engine. RPM, coolant temp, etc, its all transmitted over the databus to the body modules. Its certainly not a mechanical 6.5 because the instrument cluster wouldnt even work; GM would have to design completely proprietory body control and IPC modules to work with a mechanical engine that doesnt have an ECM. And since when does GM do proprietory shit on vehicles? They all share parts; ie, my duramax shares 95% of interior parts with an escalade, etc...

So ok what if they used an electronic 6.5? Those have an ECM right? HA! Yeah they have an ECM that is from the stone age that isnt much smarter than a brick, and wouldnt know how to speak GMLAN (the databus that is used on all new GM vehicles, including nobama's fancy new caddy) even if you spelled it out in alphabites for it. :rolleyes:

so basically. No. It doesnt have a 6.5. Nothing about a 6.5 would work in that caddy. Size, electronics, tranny's, NOTHING.

ben

haha his brand new cadillac has a 6.5? Yeah right. ...

...so basically. No. It doesnt have a 6.5. Nothing about a 6.5 would work in that caddy. Size, electronics, tranny's, NOTHING.

ben

I may be wrong, but check this. Read in the bottom left corner in the picture. It is most likely a 6.5L

http://gas2.org/files/2009/01/cadillac_one.jpg

also...

"Among the truck-derived greasy bits may be the engine. It's been reported that the limo uses a 6.5L diesel V8 which got me thinking about whether it might be a Tier 2 Bin 5 compliant clean diesel. I contacted Cadillac spokesman David Caldwell who gave me the following response, "We're just not permitted to discuss that at all -- and in fact I don't even know the engine aspects of the car. So it's not the case that I'm just choosing not to tell you -- I don't know and would not be permitted to know." " - www.autobloggreen.com (http://www.autobloggreen.com)



Yes everything is high tech, but the motor is most likely not, which means it is easily fixable, serviceable, and replaceable if something were to happen to it when this limo travels with the president throughout the world. I highly doubt they would put a new D-max in it with the DPF and all... considering the US is one of the only countries to require ULSD. Even without the DPF it is probably not a 6.6L.

I could only image the pres limo going into limp mode if he had to get out of somewhere quick.

I'm with Ben on the 6.5. Plus the links provided aren't very reputable IMHO. For some reason I thought that pics in the other thread on this showed a megaphone exhaust tip? I could be wrong.......

that sources credibility just went "out the window" with the caption that states "the drivers window only opens 3" so the driver can pay a toll or talk to secret service agents along side"

haha wtf?? pay a toll? shoot the shit with SS agents along side instead of talking over the radio? morons.

I will bet you anything and everything that top shelf caddy isnt running a 20 year old GM boat anchor diesel.

haha his brand new cadillac has a 6.5? Yeah right. It wouldnt work for a number of reasons. First of all electronics. All of the body electronics in the current caddy DTS platform are all high speed and low speed GMLAN. The instrument clusters, body computers, and everything else in the whole vehicle NEED to be in communication with the engine. RPM, coolant temp, etc, its all transmitted over the databus to the body modules. Its certainly not a mechanical 6.5 because the instrument cluster wouldnt even work; GM would have to design completely proprietory body control and IPC modules to work with a mechanical engine that doesnt have an ECM. And since when does GM do proprietory shit on vehicles? They all share parts; ie, my duramax shares 95% of interior parts with an escalade, etc...

So ok what if they used an electronic 6.5? Those have an ECM right? HA! Yeah they have an ECM that is from the stone age that isnt much smarter than a brick, and wouldnt know how to speak GMLAN (the databus that is used on all new GM vehicles, including nobama's fancy new caddy) even if you spelled it out in alphabites for it. :rolleyes:

so basically. No. It doesnt have a 6.5. Nothing about a 6.5 would work in that caddy. Size, electronics, tranny's, NOTHING.

ben

This is not a DTS, it is a medium duty truck frame with a custom built body, they can make the network work, by no means is this a production vehicle.

This is not a DTS, it is a medium duty truck frame with a custom built body, they can make the network work, by no means is this a production vehicle.


Still, I'm with Ben. With todays technology, even if it was possible, I doubt they would choose to run a dinosaur when they're rescources are endless. What would be the point of putting it on a 1 ton chassis, weighing in at who knows what, just to hit the go-peddal and go nowhere????? :eek: I agree that it's a truck chassis, but come on. This car was designed right at the same time the LMM came out. I'd assume that's what's in it.

This is not a DTS, it is a medium duty truck frame with a custom built body, they can make the network work, by no means is this a production vehicle.


well whatever, it uses a DTS body, and the DTS electrical/interior architecture.....

class 2 and GMLAN are in no ways compatible on a hardware or software level. So either they are designing a whole new ECM to run a 6.5 (yeah right), or they are redesigning all of the DTS platform electronics to integrate with an old 6.5 ECM (yeah right).

its not a 6.5 I 100% guarantee it.

ben

I'm going to seriously laugh my ass off if it IS a 6.5...and if it's a 6.6 i'ma laugh even harder when he gets stuck...

the 6.6 is a pile of unreliable crap when compared to a milspec 6.5...think about this...you can shut down a 6.6 by EMP....a 6.5 will be like huh...what...my lifters are magnetized...MEH

ya i would like to know this if we have to drive a clean diesel then shouldn't he have to

the 6.6 is a pile of unreliable crap when compared to a milspec 6.5...

ha ok.

what happends when your timing chain breaks? Engine blows up. What happends when mine breaks? It'll be like....huh...wait my cam is gear driven like all other heavy duty engines.

what happends when your serp belt breaks? Engine overheats and your dead on the side of the road. What happends when mine breaks? It'll be like....huh...wait my water pump is gear driven too...

what happends when they realize they need to have the ability to get away from a threat fast? They'll have to turn up the engine to 365hp or so. The 6.5 will be like "boom". The duramax will be like....huh....wait no thats what I came with FROM THE FACTORY.

Im sorry. I just think its really funny when I see 6.5 guys saying the dmax is a piece of crap.

ben

:exactly:

ha ok.

what happends when your timing chain breaks? Engine blows up. What happends when mine breaks? It'll be like....huh...wait my cam is gear driven like all other heavy duty engines.

what happends when your serp belt breaks? Engine overheats and your dead on the side of the road. What happends when mine breaks? It'll be like....huh...wait my water pump is gear driven too...

what happends when they realize they need to have the ability to get away from a threat fast? They'll have to turn up the engine to 365hp or so. The 6.5 will be like "boom". The duramax will be like....huh....wait no thats what I came with FROM THE FACTORY.

Im sorry. I just think its really funny when I see 6.5 guys saying the dmax is a piece of crap.

ben


I believe it if it a diesel the 6.5 is the only engine they would use for the simple reason that is what the government knows and uses. Secondly is whatever they are using gas or diesel is mechanical injected. Cause they dont want nobody being able to shut down the drive train by frying the computers. The military 6.5 if you would have looked have more power and are better built then the ones they put in trucks. Dont try to say i am saying a 6.6 is a piece of crap I would love to own one. But i just dont have the money for it right now.

The 6.5 sounds kind of puchy to me...

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/trucks/0808dp_am_general_humvee/index.html

I don't see that it matters either way with the 6.5L or the 6.6L, since all of the current transmissions are electronic/computer controlled. Are they going to use the 700R4?

Does no one here realize how many government agencies currently use Duramaxes and have for quite some time? Government, not military (although the military does too). The Duramax is nearly 10 years old. It's not "new" technology any more. I think too many people hear of or have experienced HMMWV's with 6.5's and think it's the govt standard for all diesels.

guys you are way overthinking this.

You think EMP is really a threat, that someone would take out the president by firing an EMP generator to shut down his limo???? WTF?? Get real. It would shut down every other vehicle too, including the enemy's own vehicle. Its a pointless way of ambushing the vehicles.

They might as well just fire a grenade launcher or missile at it. It will still probably disable it to the point of it not moving anymore, and its a heck of a lot easier then dragging a huge EMP generator in. And also for a tranny, I suppose theyre gonna use a 700r4 or TH400? Yeah thats a great choice, a weak POS or a stronger tranny with no lockup or overdrive.

Every other system in the vehicle is completely computerized from the door locks, etc... SO great their engine still works but theyre locked inside, with no communications/countermeasure equipment.

its a brand freaking new vehicle with all of THE latest in everything. But theyre gonna drop a 6.5 in it???????????????

you guys are being ignorant if you think they are gonna use a mechanical engine just because its immune to EMP threats. :rolleyes:

ben

don't need an emp generator to kill an electric vehicle...just a skateboard with a rocket motor and a 24 volt battery...

the police in some areas have them, they fire out from under the license plate using model rocket engines, the prongs come up, and when it hits the metal components of the vehicle in front, the 24 volts surges throught the vehicle ground, frying the electronic components and shutting the vehicle off....its tested and in use...

the 6.5 mechanical and TH-300/350/400/700R4's are all immune as well

don't need an emp generator to kill an electric vehicle...just a skateboard with a rocket motor and a 24 volt battery...

the police in some areas have them, they fire out from under the license plate using model rocket engines, the prongs come up, and when it hits the metal components of the vehicle in front, the 24 volts surges throught the vehicle ground, frying the electronic components and shutting the vehicle off....its tested and in use...

the 6.5 mechanical and TH-300/350/400/700R4's are all immune as well


great, so then just make the underbody a big plastic insulated skid plate. Im sure that would be much more desirable to running a 6.5.

why is everyone still arguing about this, there is no freaking way in hell that caddy has a 6.5 under the hood... :shake:

ben

sorry but this is one of the stupidest arguments i have ever heard.

blueburby1 I think DuratotheMax has owned you enough for the day will your talk of the Ice ago 6.5 give it up...haha

I'm not saying he's WRONG, i'm saying why he's not neccesairly RIGHT...

Keep in mind, that the 4.5 was never released ;)

And the 6.6 is about as likely to get used as the 6.5...but i'd be willing to put money on them using an engine that can handle sub par fuels in different countries...I think it would be hilarious...if it wasn't even a diesel in the end ;)

Keep in mind, that the 4.5 was never released ;)

um thats because its not 2010 yet. :rolleyes:

hmm maybe it's the 5.3 vortec! haha..jk

Hmm, dumb argument. It reminds me what a total POS the 6.5 is and what an idiot I am for liking them and perferring them over the Duramax. I, along with many others on this site must be very stupid.

Blue, I don't know why you even try to defend it around the Duramax guys. You know their attitude and how most of them seem to think themselves somehow superior to us lowly 6.5 IDIots in every way, shape, and form.

Seems like a lot of BS in that picture-- top speed of 60 Ha Ha A military tank can travel that fast.

5 inches of steel under the floor and 8 inches in the doors-- more BS

It is possible that it has the 4.5 easier to install in a cad- They would a direct line to GM for any parts or service needed.

hmm maybe it's the 5.3 vortec! haha..jk

haha or maybe an ecotec 4 cylinder for fuel economy:rolleyes:

Hmm, dumb argument. It reminds me what a total POS the 6.5 is and what an idiot I am for liking them and perferring them over the Duramax. I, along with many others on this site must be very stupid.

Im not saying the 6.5 was a bad engine, and im deffinately not saying anybody is stupid, i'm just saying that this arguement is about what is under the hood of the president's limo when in fact nobody know what it really is and probablly never will. Maybe it's a Powerstroke:eek:

Im not saying the 6.5 was a bad engine, and im deffinately not saying anybody is stupid, i'm just saying that this arguement is about what is under the hood of the president's limo when in fact nobody know what it really is and probablly never will. Maybe it's a Powerstroke:eek:

Sorry, I was agreeing with you. I never saw where you said any of that either, other than being a dumb argument, which I agree with 100%:)

Sorry, I was agreeing with you. I never saw where you said any of that either, other than being a dumb argument, which I agree with 100%:)

:beerchug:

Im embarrassed that Obama rides in a GM vehicle. I dont want to have anything in common with him. Why doesn't he just get his followers to carry him around on a throne?

As for his vehicle, I heard that it has a 6.5 in it. I could be wrong but it seems crazy that they would but a virtually untested engine in our president's limo. Also those limos are built on 2500 frames and weigh a s#!tload with all the bulletproofing and suspension built strong enough to haul his massive ego around, so I doubt they would stick a 4.5 that was designed for a 1/2 ton in it.


+1 on that, awesome comment!

Calm down guys. ALL of you. I won't say it again. Discuss this like human beings, or I will lock this thread down.


BTW, your all wrong, its a prius under all that armor. :rolleyes: :p:

i thought i saw a vtec sticker on there

i GOT it...it's a TaTa Nano ;)


http://tatanano.inservices.tatamotors.com/tatamotors/

Hmm, dumb argument. It reminds me what a total POS the 6.5 is and what an idiot I am for liking them and perferring them over the Duramax. I, along with many others on this site must be very stupid.

Blue, I don't know why you even try to defend it around the Duramax guys. You know their attitude and how most of them seem to think themselves somehow superior to us lowly 6.5 IDIots in every way, shape, and form.

see, this is the other of the two 6.5 guy attitudes that I hate. The first one is that the dmax is junk compared to the 6.5 because its new, and has a lot of different diesel technologies. The second attitude is the one that REALLY pisses me off; I hate that every guy on here who owns a dmax is automatically labled by the 6.5 guys as a stuck up rich bitch whos never worked a day in his life and gets everything handed to them. OMG he owns a truck thats 9 years old or newer, what a spoiled lazy POS. He doesnt deserve that, because duramax's are so exotic and astronomically expensive

Sorry, but we actually work real jobs just like you guys do. I know, hard to beleive right. My truck is an 05, and it has over 100,000 miles on it already. I work it, it has a tool box in it, it gets washed only when it rains, it has dings and scratches, it has stock wheels, it has a big trailer hitch, and a bent tailgate. There are thousands of guys on this forum that have more money to spend on their mall crawler bling'd out dmax's than I do, but I dont sneer at them and grumble that 'they probably got it all from daddy's check book.'

ben

First off... I have no idea what's in the behemoth presidential limousine...

Second, I really don't care.

Third, I will point out that if any of you have ever worked on a military project, you know that the military invented the term "over-engineered". Mil-Spec products cost 10 to 100 times (or more) than normal over-the-counter products due to the "hardening" of whatever it is (knives, guns, computers, vehicles, radios, etc).

I have worked on Mil-Spec products (for about 2 1/2 years)... though not cars or trucks. I'll guarantee that about the only comparison between the 'Bamster's wheels and ours is that it has wheels. Beyond that, unless any of you have specifically worked on "hardened" equipment, it's unlikely that you are even close to reality in this discussion.

Here's what's freakin' hilarious... there are people over on that Sean Hannity thread linked above that actually believeand/or state that the 'Bamster's ride is (or had better be) a hybrid! ROFL!!

Now THAT my friends is a kool-aid drinking IDIOT.

Keep in mind, I read in one article,(sorry no link) they actually built between 8 and 25 of these limos, they couldn't say due to security reasons. I wonder what the price tag is for all of these.

I agree with the other guy on here, that thick of armour plating is BS.
If one wanted to get an idea of what was under the hood of this limo, why don't you just listen to it go by?
Should be able to tell if it's a 6.5, a 6.6 Duramax, an 8.1l gasser, what about those 7.8l Duramax's?

On a side note, why would they protect him so well while he's in his limo? What about when he's making speeches, some sort of invisible force field I presume.

hmm maybe it's the 5.3 vortec! haha..jk
They wouldn't use a vortec it would be an old school 5.7.:)

haha his brand new cadillac has a 6.5? Yeah right. It wouldnt work for a number of reasons. First of all electronics. All of the body electronics in the current caddy DTS platform are all high speed and low speed GMLAN. The instrument clusters, body computers, and everything else in the whole vehicle NEED to be in communication with the engine. RPM, coolant temp, etc, its all transmitted over the databus to the body modules. Its certainly not a mechanical 6.5 because the instrument cluster wouldnt even work; GM would have to design completely proprietory body control and IPC modules to work with a mechanical engine that doesnt have an ECM. And since when does GM do proprietory shit on vehicles? They all share parts; ie, my duramax shares 95% of interior parts with an escalade, etc...

So ok what if they used an electronic 6.5? Those have an ECM right? HA! Yeah they have an ECM that is from the stone age that isnt much smarter than a brick, and wouldnt know how to speak GMLAN (the databus that is used on all new GM vehicles, including nobama's fancy new caddy) even if you spelled it out in alphabites for it. :rolleyes:

so basically. No. It doesnt have a 6.5. Nothing about a 6.5 would work in that caddy. Size, electronics, tranny's, NOTHING.

ben
I think this is the logic that makes up my mind that BO is riding around in a Duramax powered vehicle. There are a long list of reasons that the 6.6l is the better choice starting with reliability and ending with power. Integration into the electronic infrastructure is a complicated job and there is no solid reason to make that job harder by using the 6.5l. There has been talk about resistance to Electromangnetic Interference in military spec vehicles. My understanding is that this is because the detonation of a thermo nuclear bomb produces a huge EMP that can take out electronics. The limo is not going to be the preferred ride for the president if an atomic bomb goes off so EMP resistance is not that important. We can talk about remote controlled skateboards, but I think we would be insulting the fine work of the Secret Service.

see, this is the other of the two 6.5 guy attitudes that I hate. The first one is that the dmax is junk compared to the 6.5 because its new, and has a lot of different diesel technologies. The second attitude is the one that REALLY pisses me off; I hate that every guy on here who owns a dmax is automatically labled by the 6.5 guys as a stuck up rich bitch whos never worked a day in his life and gets everything handed to them. OMG he owns a truck thats 9 years old or newer, what a spoiled lazy POS. He doesnt deserve that, because duramax's are so exotic and astronomically expensive

Sorry, but we actually work real jobs just like you guys do. I know, hard to beleive right. My truck is an 05, and it has over 100,000 miles on it already. I work it, it has a tool box in it, it gets washed only when it rains, it has dings and scratches, it has stock wheels, it has a big trailer hitch, and a bent tailgate. There are thousands of guys on this forum that have more money to spend on their mall crawler bling'd out dmax's than I do, but I dont sneer at them and grumble that 'they probably got it all from daddy's check book.'

ben

Waa waa waa. The thing is the superiorist attitude that you and many, many other Duramax owners share. Has nothing to do with age of the truck, engine, or anything but attitude. Not all Duramax owners have that attitude either. Plenty of Duramax owners I have no problem with, in fact, most I don't, but, when it the need comes to defend anything else around one, you're usually surronded by the arrogant @$$es who think they are somehow superior to everyone else, now go Censored off.

Waa waa waa. The thing is the superiorist attitude that you and many, many other Duramax owners share. Has nothing to do with age of the truck, engine, or anything but attitude. Not all Duramax owners have that attitude either. Plenty of Duramax owners I have no problem with, in fact, most I don't, but, when it the need comes to defend anything else around one, you're usually surronded by the arrogant @$$es who think they are somehow superior to everyone else, now go Censored off.


That was mature :rolleyes:

That was mature :rolleyes:

Think I care?

Think I care?


apparently you do, because you responded.

Think I care?


Well you should. Think before insulting another member next time.


That's quite enough.

I warned you all that this thread would be closed if you didn't' calm down.

grow up. This place is not a daycare.

thread closed.