several days ago i posted about my WIF light and codes thrown

well...

this is what came out of my tank 2 hours ago

can anyone tell me WTF happened to this fuel!?!?!?


CAN THIS REALLY BE JUST WATER CONTAMINATION!?!?!?

That looks nasty!
You could get it analyzed, but I vote water.
Are you using any additives? Goat cheeze maybe? :) <<< That's a joke son. {FogHornLegHorn}
Seriously: Are you using any additives? How long has it been settling?
I wonder if the fuel will clear up the rest of the way.

That looks nasty!
You could get it analyzed, but I vote water.
Are you using any additives? Goat cheeze maybe? :) <<< That's a joke son. {FogHornLegHorn}
Seriously: Are you using any additives? How long has it been settling?
I wonder if the fuel will clear up the rest of the way.


Water will mix with diesel that much? I thought water stayed self contained with water and forms a pocket inside the diesel for all the water to sit together, completely unmixed from the diesel(oil)

A former co-worker of mine managed to get diesel, and sea water in her STI when she filled up with 93 octane.

Some form of contamination is obvious, but i have no idea what would make the fuel that cloudy.

Definately does'nt look good.

bad bio-diesel?

jim

Is it possibly your fuel completely gelled up in there and that is the result when it thaws out?

When it was cold here to weeks ago 2 work trucks fad fuelthat looked like that. 1 also had water as well and a bad fuel heater. Used more addtive And changed the filters. SO is that the start of gelled fuel?

MMM lemonade :D Refill with fresh fuel and burn that stuff a gallon or two at a time?

Seen some bio fuel kinda look like that and I've seen algae in fuel but it just looks real cloudy.

What does it smell like?

looks like your going to need some serious clean out.

Whatever you do don't let it stay in there long.

Looks like a mix of water, fuel, and an additive which causes the water and fuel to emulsify. I got something similar years ago and the station owner told me his fuel supplier had "put something in his diesel tank to get rid of the water". Sure caused me some headaches before I figured out what it was.

Is that fuel on the bottom?
If so the stuff on top is lighter than diesel and diesel floats on top of water.

I vote water and fuel plus emulsifier (soap/detergent).

Let it stand at least overnight and as warm as possible. It will start to separate into layers over time.

That looks like glycerin that has a high water content and has foamed like a soap. I bet you if you get it analyzed its glycerine, potassium hydroxide, water, with rest 5% biodiesel. Look at this link

http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/breakingemulsions/images/thumb20050411-013.jpg

That fuel consistensy is from water washing of fuel, which I find to be the most retarded thing in the world. To do so you would need distilled water, mist it, and heat to evaporate water. Scary part is you'll make the methanol boil off at 148.4*F which I hope they are reclaiming the 6-10 gallons within the biodiesel. Then when it gets to 212*F for the water to boil off, or if you know what your doing you can put it in a vaccum state and make it boil off at 160*F or earlier to be on the safer side since you getting the fuel a bit to close for comfort situation.

If I were you I'd sue the heck out of that person selling bad fuel or at least make them fix your truck for free and watch them like a hawk.

that wouldn't be algae in the fuel? Isnt there an algaecide for diesel? Am I completely on glue here?

I bet you'll need some biocide in there to get rid of it, looks like algae like Dieselpro said. I'd drop and drain the tank, clean out good, refill with clean diesel and run biocide for a while. I don't think just water is making it look like that, but excess water is what helps bugs grow in the fuel so its probably related to that.

I bet you'll need some biocide in there to get rid of it, looks like algae like Dieselpro said. I'd drop and drain the tank, clean out good, refill with clean diesel and run biocide for a while. I don't think just water is making it look like that, but excess water is what helps bugs grow in the fuel so its probably related to that.


oh yah, when i first saw this yesterday i did a double take, i parked the truck till today, and dropped and flushed the entire system earlier, i have 26-28 gallons of this sh*t

it smells, well.... faint, but kinda like diesel, biofuels and wvo might be an option, but the station i got it from is a diesel pump, not bio

i dunno.. im at a loss here

I am on board with the station adding a homogenizer to rid water from the fuel tanks.

I have seen it done in a crappy old truck stop I used to work at a long time ago that had water in the underground diesel storage tanks. The additive will suspend the water in the fuel to get rid of it. I will honestly say I never got a good look at it in a clear container but it did look quite milky while doing the pumping.

Was it a mom and pop fuel station or corparate exxon / shell / mobil? If it's a mom and pop there is a possibility that they tried to make a quick dollar and got ripped off. For every 100 gallons of biodiesel produced 10 gallons of glycerine is made. If I were trying to make a quick buck and was ignorant of biodiesel.. I'd jump on it.

Part of the reasoning I see its a high possibility is that mom and pop fuel stations can't compete with the volatile fuel prices constantly changing and are essentially getting raped w/o the courtesy of lube. Sorry for the harsh verbage.. but my a friend of mine who owns a shop/fuel station sold his company just because he was sitting on 3,000 gallons of fuel that he had to take a massive loss because nobody was purchasing it with Wawa matching the lowest price in town.

Was it a mom and pop fuel station or corparate exxon / shell / mobil? . .

There are 2 stations I will ot buy frome near me. If I do my power is down and my mpg drop. Neither sem to sell diesel in any great amount. But both are big name stations.

Most are franchised.. but your in a better boat trying to sue one thats a massive company as opposed to a mom and pop shop. Granted it's sometimes not what you would like to do, sueing someone. But he just f%$*#! up your fuel system or injectors. Flush the lines, change filter, hopefully no pump damage. Reason I believe it could do pump damage is from the foaming of the glycerine + water causing air pockets in the system with high enough vaccum cavitation can occur from the water content in the fuel. Cavitation occurs when a liquid turns into a vapor within a vaccum the bubbles implode in mass amounts upon the rotating pump assembly which cause massive cause. Look up cavitation damage pictures in google.

Was it a mom and pop fuel station or corparate exxon / shell / mobil?.


it was a citgo.. and from what ive seen the past few days, quite busy i might add

theres no way im the only one this happened to!!, there was a line before... AND after me that day!! so im sure we all got fu***d

i test drove my truck and the power is back, although the codes are still there, i think the eye is just dirty and needs to be "brushed" clean with the fuel.. so... hopefully the codes will go out on thier own.. the fuel is clean again, and comes out clear with that slight glowish hue at the drain tube, but i want to try and clean the remaining system, pump, lines and the injectors somehow..


has anyone used the white bottled " DIESEL CLEAN"? i have an autozone nearby and want to put somethig in there to clean the injectors and system out, and from reading the labels, i think the diesel clean is the best one there, they have STP, but its not diesel specific, its a "fuel injector cleaner for gas and diesel, ive searched everywhere locally when this forst happened for stanadyne, but no one carried it, im going to have to order it

it was a citgo.. and from what ive seen the past few days, quite busy i might add

theres no way im the only one this happened to!!, there was a line before... AND after me that day!! so im sure we all got fu***d

i test drove my truck and the power is back, although the codes are still there, i think the eye is just dirty and needs to be "brushed" clean with the fuel.. so... hopefully the codes will go out on thier own..

has anyone used the white bottled " DIESEL CLEAN"? i have an autozone nearby and want to put somethig in there to clean the injectors and system out, and from reading the labels, i think the diesel clean is the best one there, they have STP, but its not diesel specific, its a "fuel injector cleaner for gas and diesel, ive searched everywhere locally when this forst happened for stanadyne, but noone carried it, im going to have to order it


I've used the Diesel Kleen in the white bottle. I usually use it every fill up in the winter, and the gray bottle every fill up the rest of the year.

has anyone used the white bottled " DIESEL CLEAN"? i have an autozone nearby and want to put somethig in there to clean the injectors and system out, and from reading the labels, i think the diesel clean is the best one there, they have STP, but its not diesel specific, its a "fuel injector cleaner for gas and diesel, ive searched everywhere locally when this forst happened for stanadyne, but no one carried it, im going to have to order it

Yes and it cleared my, much milder, fuel problems. It should help with what little you couldn't remove when you cleaned everything.

I have had real good results with SeaFoam additive as an injector cleaner. I have changed fuel filters, filling them with SeaFoam, then running the engine for 1 min. or less, shutting it down and let it soak overnight. Start it the next day and you're all set.

I have changed fuel filters, filling them with SeaFoam, then running the engine for 1 min. or less, shutting it down and let it soak overnight. Start it the next day and you're all set.


straight seafoam? or added to the fuel?

I have had real good results with SeaFoam additive as an injector cleaner. I have changed fuel filters, filling them with SeaFoam, then running the engine for 1 min. or less, shutting it down and let it soak overnight. Start it the next day and you're all set.
Will some one post a pic of seafoam. I havent seen it.

Seafoam comes in a can - Most parts places carry it - Even WalMart here.

Did you have that so called fuel tested?

If so what was the outcome?

Did you have that so called fuel tested?

If so what was the outcome?


not yet, im waitin to receive a test cylinder from blackstone labs and send it back to them.. ill know in about a week to 10 days

straight seafoam? or added to the fuel?
When a unit comes in with injector issues I'll use straight SeaFoam in a new filter, it will get diluted some by the time it makes it to the IP and injectors.

Will some one post a pic of seafoam. I havent seen it.
I would but I'm not that computer-savvy!:confuzeld:confuzeld Just Google SeaFoam offsite and it should get you there.

Before anybody says it, I know solvents/detergents are harsh on fuel components so I only use it when I have a problem. I see alot of plugged injector issues mainly from contamination due to the untrained handling of fuel on the jobsite and on-site changing of fuel filters. Some people never learn, and they all work where I do!!!Censored:wtf::banghead::crazy::drinking:

http://www.seafoamsales.com/products_files/image002.jpgWill some one post a pic of seafoam. I havent seen it.

Dieselclean also makes Diesel 911. Comes in a red plastic bottles of different sizes. I carry a bottle in each of my diesels.

Cleared up my Kubota in five minutes over the summer when I tanked up with a batch of vwo with too much water.

your so called fuel looks exactly like a bottle of olive oil i left in my fifth wheel and the temp dropped to freezing

WOW that looks like the wet wash when I make my bio-diesel, that is just crazy to be d2! did any separation happen when it sets at room temp?

Dieselclean also makes Diesel 911. Comes in a red plastic bottles of different sizes. I carry a bottle in each of my diesels.

Cleared up my Kubota in five minutes over the summer when I tanked up with a batch of vwo with too much water.

Good stuff, but it is clearly alchol, reeks of it. Not sure how good that is for our IP's? I used it also, but it really strong odor. Alcohol is the only thing that can mix with water that will make it burn.

Any chance that stuff isn't good for the IP?

Sedveral years ago I got a bad tank of fuel at a truck stop and my truck died hard about 10 miles down the road. When I drained a few gallons out it looked a lot like that but a little yellower. I called the station (Shell) and they tried to deny it, finally the clerk said someone else had called too with a problem. Next they insisted that I provide a receipt to prove I bought from them, luckily I used my card and had the receipt. They had to provide a rental car and pay the stealer to fix it.

Sedveral years ago I got a bad tank of fuel at a truck stop and my truck died hard about 10 miles down the road. When I drained a few gallons out it looked a lot like that but a little yellower. I called the station (Shell) and they tried to deny it, finally the clerk said someone else had called too with a problem. Next they insisted that I provide a receipt to prove I bought from them, luckily I used my card and had the receipt. They had to provide a rental car and pay the stealer to fix it.

something similar happened to someone i know
he had a diesel benz, late 90s , went to a station to fill, full serve. unfortunately he didnt know enough (or care?) to look what type of fuel was being pumped and ended up with a full tank of unleaded gas. Same thing, station paid for his rental and engine was repaired at the dealer

When I was in my teens I worked at a truck stop that had a big dog on the sign out front. They had to pay for a couple of dozen engines in semi trucks after pumping a super-b load (about 85,000 lbs) of aviation fuel into the underground tanks in a sister station two hours up the road.

Good stuff, but it is clearly alchol, reeks of it. Not sure how good that is for our IP's? I used it also, but it really strong odor. Alcohol is the only thing that can mix with water that will make it burn.

Any chance that stuff isn't good for the IP?
Yea, real good chance. Any type of anti-gel or injector cleaner is a solvent and has less than 0 lubricating qualities. It won't do significant damage if used as needed. The ONLY thing I would add to diesel regularly is 2 stroke oil.

Yea, real good chance. Any type of anti-gel or injector cleaner is a solvent and has less than 0 lubricating qualities. It won't do significant damage if used as needed. The ONLY thing I would add to diesel regularly is 2 stroke oil.



and what would be the benefit of 2 stroke oil?

and what would be the benefit of 2 stroke oil?
lube for the pump and upper engine

and what would be the benefit of 2 stroke oil?

2 cycle oil is formulated to burn away without leaving much ash or carbon. If you put ATF or standard engine oil in for lubricity it might lubricate fine but will leave a substantial buildup of carbon and ash in the engine as it is burnt away with the fuel.