: Banks Turbo Kit Questions
milchevy6.2 03-29-2005, 03:54 AM I am a mechanic in the PA army national guard and I work on these trucks all the time, that's why I want one. I have been searching threads trying to find out if they Banks Turbo kit is worth the money. I would like to hear from ppl that have installed this system, and would like to kno what else i can do to get more power out of it. I will be buying an old 1 ton M1009, cuz i kno how strong they are. I am mainly goin be using this truck for offroading and recovery. I want to put it on some 38's and use it to pull ppl stuck in the mud. So please give me some input and ideas about performance options with this truck.
gmctd 03-29-2005, 07:41 AM The Banks kit offers improved towing performance, meaning it will make about 7psi Boost when engine is loaded, which increases exhaust energy.
It will be more functional in the 1-ton, than in a 1500 Blazer or other light-weight 1500s', as the increased vehicle weight will 'work' the turbo more.
Get the wastegated turbocharger from the Ford 6.9\7.3 kit with your kit, instead of the standard 6.2 unit, to improve low-rpm, low load power.
Might require some post-turbo exhaust re-routing, but will be well worth the effort.
A charge-air cooler is required for more than 7psi Boost, because of higher Intake Air Temperature, which raises EGT and ECT.
milchevy6.2 03-29-2005, 11:34 AM ok but can i just oder the turbo for the ford instead of the one that comes with the 6.2 package?? Does anyone make a intercooler for these trucks?? How can i get more than 7psi?? What about injector pumps, wat is a good one to get for power?? What is the biggest exhaust diamete should i run?? I am sticking with the duals for it, but don't want to go to big for it, i was thinkin 3inch. I would love to find a 1 ton truck, believe me i know how much they are worth it, but it is hard to find them in a good condition.
gmctd 03-29-2005, 01:09 PM Call Banks.
Yes
Turn up the pump
The pump on the engine
3" is good
Turbos don't use duals
You did mention 1-ton m1009
You might spend some time with the very good military manuals, including the turbocharged humvee, and learn more about the truck you work on.
This would allow you to spend more time improving your truck, and less time repairing it.
There are no civilian manuals that even come close to those military versions, with in-depth theory of operation of Diesel engine, mechanical injection system, and turbo charger system.
And, keep reading these forums.
milchevy6.2 03-29-2005, 01:12 PM thats no prob for me to get a hold of cuz these trucks are all i work on besides the 5 tons, duecesn hett's, so with these trucks i am pretty familiar, and from the pic i seen of them banks kit they give you one manifold i am guessing passenger side so doesn't that mean i can still run duals?? just curious that's all. and does anyone kno about another performance upgrades besides propane, i was thinkin cam, crank, can i swap any parts from a 6.5 that would help my torque output. that's my main concern is torque for pullin ppl outta the mud.
mangus580 03-29-2005, 01:37 PM they only give you one manifold, but they expect you to connect them together with a crossover, and all exhaust goes through the turbo. You say you have a 1ton M1009? the M1009 is the blazer, which was listed as a 3/4 ton. If its the Pickup, its a M1008, and is a 1 1/4 ton (according to the military). Which is it that you have? (or are getting)
PS, can ya get me any good deuce parts? :rolleyes:
John DiMartino 03-29-2005, 02:28 PM If you want big torque,and reliability far beyond what the 6.2 delivers,consider swapping ina 12V cummins out of a big truck or a Dodge. It is already turbo'd,very easy to turn up to 300+ rwhp/800 ft lbs,and is stone reliable.For what you'll end up paying for a banks turbo kit,and a fresh engine to take the power,you wont have much more in a swap,and you'll have the best under the hood.Pullling power,and starting will not be issues anymore,no glow plug to deal with.The I6 is easy to work on too.
D.Camilleri 03-29-2005, 02:46 PM Turboed 6.2's run respectable as long as you don't get carried away. Don't exceed 12 psi of boost, 1150 on the egt, don't advance the timing too far and have fun. True a turboed 6.2 will never pull like a cummins, but it can be a lot more like a big block gas engine. I used to play hard in the mud and snow and towed some pretty heavy loads and the 6.2 did a good job. However I pushed the envelope, so I can tell you that I also cracked a set of pistons, blew a couple sets of head gaskets etc. Never did tear up anything else though and that can't be said for the cummins. My cummins ate (2) 32 spline output shafts on my nvg 4500 and 2 input shafts on my np 205 in the first 10,000 miles. changing to a 29 spline dodge output and 29 spline input has seems to cure the problem however, going strong for the last 30,000 miles.:exactly:
TFLundyB275 03-29-2005, 09:03 PM You might spend some time with the very good military manuals, including the turbocharged humvee, and learn more about the truck you work on.
This would allow you to spend more time improving your truck, and less time repairing it.
Once upon a time, in a land far away, I was riding around in a turbocharged 6.5L humvee. Now, this is before most even heard of such a truck, let alone have one. So, going down a dirt street, in the turret, I hear the turbo whine. Puzzled, I listen for, and hear it again. Being all excited now, I yell down to a guy below.
me- "Hey! I didnt know they put turbos on these things!"
the guy- "what are you talking about?"
me- "yeah, they mustve put turbos in the new ones, they didnt have them before. I can hear the whine."
guy- "no, thats not a turbo. thats the cooling fan kicking in when the engine gets hot, it turns on and off."
me-(thinking hes joking)" no, its a turbo. cant you hear it? and cant you feel the difference from the old ones?"
guy-(dead serious) its not a turbo! its the cooling fan im telling you!"
me-"okay, okay"
wouldnt you know, only finding out then, they put the 6.5TD's in place of the 6.2's, along with a handful of other modifcations. And boy are they great to drive, here or there.
and wouldnt you know, people were putting full jerry cans of water into the fuel tanks, thinking it was diesel. but thats another story.
Texas Diesel Guy 03-29-2005, 09:29 PM IIRC, the Light skin HMMWVs all have N/A 6.2s, but the uparmored versions all had 6.5 turbos. He's right about the fan, when they kick in they do make a lot of noise. But since you say you were in the turret, I assume you were in an uparmor, and you were in fact hearing the turbo.
gmctd 03-29-2005, 09:42 PM Wow - what were they putting in their canteens?
TFLundyB275 03-29-2005, 09:53 PM IIRC, the Light skin HMMWVs all have N/A 6.2s, but the uparmored versions all had 6.5 turbos. He's right about the fan, when they kick in they do make a lot of noise. But since you say you were in the turret, I assume you were in an uparmor, and you were in fact hearing the turbo.
TDG, to clarify: this was when they first came out, and even now not many units have this type. Built off the standard hmmwv design, but no longer called by that name. defently the 6.5L TD, I asked the motor pool guy and he gave the thumbs up on the engine type and the noise I heard. Even showed me the manual for it, gave boost, hp/torque raiting and other differences compaired to the 6.2 hmmwv. (now forgotten) Also, you can kinda classify it as..underarmored yet toughened, I guess, rather then light skin or uparmored. Read as- no doors, no windshield, no roof, no armor at all, rear step bumper with built in pintle hook, upgraded HD suspension, 6.5TD, (middle)side facing seats, extra MG gun mounts, and a select few with super swampers. If you are wondering, yes you get windburn.
before I asked the motor pool guy, I ruled out the fan since it was 100F+ that day, and the truck was really warmed up from the get go, and the sound would only be on acceleration. but I asked just in case.
And, in my opinion and experience, about those uparmored hmmvw's...besides a few occasions, those things are a joke. if I had a choice, any and everyday I would choose the type I wrote about above. Only thing different is I would armor certain floor sections, but thats it.
I hope this isnt too far off topic.
SpoolinTurbo 06-13-2005, 04:26 AM Ain't nothing better than a GMV... way better than the RSOV's..
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