Seeing GM's financial trouble are the transmission and engine changes still scheduled for 2010? I know the 4.5 is pushed back, but I haven't heard anything about the HD trucks.

Thanks

I dont know.. What changes were they thinking of doing for 2010??

I thought the allison was going to 8 or 10 speed, and there duramax was getting bumped to 425 hp, larger displacement, and urea injection.

There was a fairly major chassis update for 2010.5 but that is on hold due to financials. The only new things for 2010 on the powertrain side will be emissions related (urea).

I thought the allison was going to 8 or 10 speed, and there duramax was getting bumped to 425 hp, larger displacement, and urea injection.

I don't think we'll see an Allison 10-speed in our light duty trucks, but perhaps I'm wrong. I find 6-speeds sufficient, though 8 may be interesting. I did hear that the Duramax will be bumped to 400bhp though.

No twins as one rumor stated, looks similar, different injectors. Nothing too spectacular

No twins as one rumor stated, looks similar, different injectors. Nothing too spectacular

I didnt even know twins was a rumor.

There was a fairly major chassis update for 2010.5 but that is on hold due to financials. The only new things for 2010 on the powertrain side will be emissions related (urea).

What kind of chassis update are you talking about? I'm looking to get a new HD around 2011-2013 and would like any new updates. I thought they might replace the 6.0L with the 6.2L, anything on that?


I heard the minor facelift for both HD's is still on.

I talked with a dealer friend of mine yesterday, and he said there will be no changes to the platform until 2012. (Thats if GM survives).. The 2010 improvements are scrubbed.

What kind of chassis update are you talking about? I'm looking to get a new HD around 2011-2013 and would like any new updates. I thought they might replace the 6.0L with the 6.2L, anything on that?


I heard the minor facelift for both HD's is still on.

I heard no on this as regards MY2010, but I certainly don't know about MY11-13

in reality the dealers dont know anymore than you or I know, so I wouldnt bother listen to any of their speculations.

in reality the dealers dont know anymore than you or I know, so I wouldnt bother listen to any of their speculations.


He owns the dealership so he's in the loop. Been a Chevy dealer for 40 years.

He owns the dealership so he's in the loop. Been a Chevy dealer for 40 years.

Dealers are not in the loop. You will read it in Motor Trend before the dealer knows anything. There is no secret dealer society.

Dealers are not in the loop. You will read it in Motor Trend before the dealer knows anything. There is no secret dealer society.

LOL!!! yeah ok buddy.

He owns the dealership so he's in the loop.

no hes not... Doesnt matter how long you have been a dealer for, IF the dealer gets a preview of anything, its like 3 days before the public hears about it.

Ask him when the GMT-900's are getting a mid-cycle enhancement, if he even knows what an MCE is. :rolleyes:

ben

I agree, most salesman don't even know anything about the cars/trucks they're selling.

no hes not... Doesnt matter how long you have been a dealer for, IF the dealer gets a preview of anything, its like 3 days before the public hears about it.

Ask him when the GMT-900's are getting a mid-cycle enhancement, if he even knows what an MCE is. :rolleyes:

ben

Ben, if you read my previous posts you would see that I wrote he is the owner of the dealership, and has been in business for 40 years. If that's out of the loop in your book, super.

We manufacture parts for these trucks and GM requoted an awful lot of them worldwide this summer. We were told in September the changes were on hold for the new truck. We'll see what happens.

Ask your dealer friend how much and when he found out about the new Camaro. Dealer here learned more about it in Hot Rod magazine than he did from GM.

Dealers do not know anything except the current offers from GM and the cars on the ot. I grew up in dealerships. There is no way car companies will give a dealership any information that is not already public. To many buddies of dealer owners out there and then the info is out. Ever had a dealer tell you that this offer will not be available later or maybe the future incentives are not as good? That is a bunch of crap. Dealers don't know incentives until the day they come out. Period.

:cool2:

8 or 10 Speed Allison where do you guys come up with this crap:rolleyes:

The 6 speed is fine and where is GM going to get the tranny since they sold Allison

Ben, if you read my previous posts you would see that I wrote he is the owner of the dealership, and has been in business for 40 years. If that's out of the loop in your book, super.

um yeah, and if you read my previous post you would see that I wont it doesnt mean jack poop if the dealer has been in business for 100 years. GM DOESNT TELL THEM ANYTHING THAT THEY DONT WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW.

Its not out of the loop "in my book", its out of the loop period. Im sorry if you (or he) are under the impression that hes privy to some cool little inside ring of information at GM. But thats just not true, and Im sure anyone on this forum (we do have a couple GM engineers on the forum here who actually ARE on the inside loop) can back me up.

ben

um yeah, and if you read my previous post you would see that I wont it doesnt mean jack poop if the dealer has been in business for 100 years. GM DOESNT TELL THEM ANYTHING THAT THEY DONT WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW.

Its not out of the loop "in my book", its out of the loop period. Im sorry if you (or he) are under the impression that hes privy to some cool little inside ring of information at GM. But thats just not true, and Im sure anyone on this forum (we do have a couple GM engineers on the forum here who actually ARE on the inside loop) can back me up.

ben


Ben, I really don't care, I was simply passing on what I had heard. Take a chill pill. :chillpill

8 or 10 Speed Allison where do you guys come up with this crap:rolleyes:

we'll just have to wait and see! :D ;)

Besides the ranting b/s that we know is going on in this thread. It should be pretty common knowledge at this point that there will be an enhancement to the motor whether completely new or new tuning/emissions garbage which will come out early in 2010 because the LMM doesn't meet 2010 regulations. Ford is facing the same issue, the only one left that doesn't have to play with motors is Chrysler since the Cummins is 2010 compliant and they will be able to spend some money on a facelift which they really haven't had in a while. If GM is still in the game at that point and wants to stay in the diesel pickup game us as owners are going to get some new fangled, emissions choked motor. Whether it has 425 hp and 750lb/ft will be anybody's guess at this point.

2010 regs have been relaxed to help out the Big Three, last I read.

I tried to build a Duramax dually the other day on the web site and it said it was unavailable at this time.

I tried to build a Duramax dually the other day on the web site and it said it was unavailable at this time.


my dealer told me the duramax is being discontinued for 2010! :D

I tried to build a Duramax dually the other day on the web site and it said it was unavailable at this time.

They want you to buy one sitting on a lot somewhere. I've tried as well, you can build the truck but it won't give you a price. At this point the company itself probably doesn't know whether to sh!t or go blind so they're not going to let somebody get psyched about building a truck.

If they did relax the regs that's cool for now, but it'll just mean they'll leap frog the next time since we're so horrible and are ruining the planet. :D

With 2010 production not that far away I would hope they have an idea of how they will meet the 2010 regs. Anyone have any idea of how they intend to do this? I saw a presentation on what the big truck industry is facing to meet the new regs. NOT GOOD. Just wondering because I will need a new truck in about a year. Plan right now would be to pick up a 2009 late in the year but I always hate to buy a new truck that come January 2010 is already a year old.

i have a family member that actually works for isuzu, he said its true that they are trying to add gears in the transmission to keep the rpms in that sweet spot of good milage per gallon. Thats allison of course. the 2010 is said to have more hp of course but the acid injection into the exhaust to cut down particulates. so get ready to end up buying that acid shit and dumpin it into another tank somewhere in the bed maybe next to the filler cap.. and Its true that they are following ford and working on dual turbos. if they are going to be variable vane that I dont know. So thats strait from the rumor mill..

The chassis update/revision has been rumored since the GMT-900HD's came out in 2007. The 900HD chassis is just about identical to the 800HD's, MAYBE the cab mounts are in a slightly different location. Sill the same lousy ground clearance and lack of front suspension travel. The mounting bracket is still there on the 900's for the old style evap. emission canister in front of the fuel tank.

I wish GM would let us know if the 6.2L is going into the 2010 2500HDs or not. I'm holding off on trading for a custom order 09 GMC 2500HD w/6.0L until I know what the lineup is for MY2010. As I said previously, 360/373 is plenty but I'd be pissed if three months later people are paying the same to roll around with 403/415. It's not just extra speed, the 30lb/ft would be handy hauling up GrapeVine.

Separate light switch and 4x4 dash light would be nice, cheap additions too.

Given the financial woes and "all new" model in 2007, I can't see there being a chassis change before MY2012 at the earliest, but this is purely speculative.

I'm happy with the stance after a 1" torsion bar front lift and 33s but really would like to know about that 6.2L.

FWIW, I have been told that the current 6.2L will not be offered in the HD's. GM supposedly has concerns using an aluminum block engine in a truck that is liable to see heavy towing on a regular basis. One wonders how difficult it would be to put a 4" stroke crank in the current HD iron block 6L. That would give 6.6L (400 cubic inches).

The GMC grille update is really needed. The pickup trucks.com article shows a really nice front end, much like the 1/2 ton. Some guys were saying the FAWR was going to be bumped to 5200 or 5400lbs with a totally new suspension setup.... we'll see if thats true. I wouldn't mind that, I could LEGALLY carry the MVP+ plow on the front.

As of now, I actually prefer the GMC's 4 bar grille compared to the shorter 3 bar grille they are going to for 2010.

The HD's need to look different from the 1/2 tons. In my dream world, the HD's would be a completely different body, particularly the size of the crew cab.

I heard there offering handy wipes soon :D

As of now, I actually prefer the GMC's 4 bar grille compared to the shorter 3 bar grille they are going to for 2010.

The HD's need to look different from the 1/2 tons. In my dream world, the HD's would be a completely different body,

A big plus one on this post.

A big plus one on this post.

Are you guys talking about a Mega Cab style truck? I'm 6'2 and find the trucks to have tons of space, even ext cab is roomy in the back.

Are you guys talking about a Mega Cab style truck? I'm 6'2 and find the trucks to have tons of space, even ext cab is roomy in the back.

No, the mega cab is ugly. I mean make the back seat area at least 4" longer even if that means making the entire truck 4" longer. Don't take it out of the bed length.

The Ford back seat areas look huge. But I've always wondered if the Ford back seat looked bigger because perhaps the butt part of the seat was shorter making the space between the front seat and the back seat look bigger.

Ben, if you read my previous posts you would see that I wrote he is the owner of the dealership, and has been in business for 40 years. If that's out of the loop in your book, super.

What everyone else is teliing YOU is that regardless of how long you have been in the business as a dealer, you don't get double top secrect model information.

Can anyone confirm whether the Duramax will have uprated horsepower and torque for the 2010 model year?

If it does, I can learn to cope will filling the urea tank every so often. Heard urea may even help mpg, any input on this?

If there's more power and more mpg for MY10 then I'm holding off on my order another few months I juts hope they leave the four bar grille.

yes, it will be a lot more hp and torque for 2010. It will have some cool updates to the rest of the powertrain too. :cool:

yes, it will be a lot more hp and torque for 2010. It will have some cool updates to the rest of the powertrain too. :cool:

8 speed Allison? :D

yes, it will be a lot more hp and torque for 2010. It will have some cool updates to the rest of the powertrain too. :cool:

Thanks as usual for the informative post, Ben.

It sounds like I really should hold off another couple of months and order a 2010. If the 420bhp and 750lb/ft from the 6.9L are true then this will be a staggeringly strong showroom-fresh rig. I won't be modding that powertrain.

The HD's need to look different from the 1/2 tons. In my dream world, the HD's would be a completely different body, particularly the size of the crew cab.

Like Ford? That's probably way too expensive, especially with GM having financial difficulties. That said, if they got rid of GMC, then it might be more practical, but if things got so bad that they have to do that, then I doubt that they'd spend the savings on new HD sheet metal.

8 speed Allison? :D


perhaps. :ro)

Here's a new concept image for the next generation HD's if Obama, Pelosi and Reid have their say:

I havent heard much but the are delaying them

I have heard the updates will happen for the 2011 model year. There are rumors the 2010 model year will be short. The current Duramax may not pass the new diesel emissions standards that go into effect Jan.1, 2010.

Some (maybe you C/K Man) have speculated that the new Duramax will be put in new trucks starting 1-1-2010 to meet the new regs. as 2011 models.

So like you said, the 2010 models will only run from Summer 2009 thru Dec. 31, 2009.

Some (maybe you C/K Man) have speculated that the new Duramax will be put in new trucks starting 1-1-2010 to meet the new regs. as 2011 models.

So like you said, the 2010 models will only run from Summer 2009 thru Dec. 31, 2009.

I heard this too. I cover a lot of miles June-October compared to the rest of the year so wanted my truck before that. Also, the LMMs have proved far more reliable than the Cummins 6.7 and Powerstroke 6.4 that I didn't want to risk the 2010/11 urea mods possibly ruining that.

Some (maybe you C/K Man) have speculated that the new Duramax will be put in new trucks starting 1-1-2010 to meet the new regs. as 2011 models.

So like you said, the 2010 models will only run from Summer 2009 thru Dec. 31, 2009.

This is exactly what Ford is doing, because their current 6.4L Powerstroke will not meet 2010 regulations. The 2011 Super Duty will go on sale in Feb. 2010. I wonder what changes we will see in the 2011 HD's besides the new Duramax and the restyled front end.

I heard there offering handy wipes soon :D

:HiHi: Kandoo wipes

I heard its gettin' the 6.9 and the trans is changing too. But I won't believe anything until its unveiled. They are just trying to get public anticipation up so sales will be better.
Who knows though with GM on the brink of bankruptcy.

Why it needs a facelift is anyones guess. They got the 07.5-09 GMC HD grille spot on, differentiates it from the 1/2tons and helps the D/A gulp down a lot of air.

Why it needs a facelift is anyones guess. They got the 07.5-09 GMC HD grille spot on, differentiates it from the 1/2tons and helps the D/A gulp down a lot of air.

Too each his own, but alot dont like the 09 bumper/grill. I bought 08 GMC solely because it's a little less goofy looking. GM needs to tone down the goofy stuff like bumper cheeks and giant wheel gaps (that dont even hold big tires) and build good looking, functional trucks.
If the 2011 doesnt get the front update pictured on jalopnik, I'll probably keep the semigoofy GMC till the make one I like.

Too each his own, but alot dont like the 09 bumper/grill. I bought 08 GMC solely because it's a little less goofy looking. GM needs to tone down the goofy stuff like bumper cheeks and giant wheel gaps (that dont even hold big tires) and build good looking, functional trucks.
If the 2011 doesnt get the front update pictured on jalopnik, I'll probably keep the semigoofy GMC till the make one I like.

I'm confused, the 08 has the exact same grille as the 09 GMC I have on order. Do you mean 07 or are you thinking of the Chevy?

I can respect your point of view but what I will say is that the big grille is as functional as it gets. The LMM runs very hot and its massive radiators need as much fresh air as they can possibly gulp down.

The bumper cheeks I think you're referring to are on the Chevy Silverado and I agree the front of end the Chevy is why I chose the GMC, though it's good to have the choice between the two.

Anyway, it's for sure good some people like the possible 2011 styling changes because it means GM will keep selling rigs.

I meant GMC vs a Chevy, not 08 vs 09.
I prefer chevy actually, just not the current model

I don't mind the front end of my chevy, it just takes some time to get use to