Does anyone besides tuff country make a good 4" lift. Like cognito or something? If so how does it ride? Fabtech doesn't seem to make one I guess so we need to find something else. Any help appreciated!

Does anyone besides tuff country make a good 4" lift. Like cognito or something? If so how does it ride? Fabtech doesn't seem to make one I guess so we need to find something else. Any help appreciated!

Cognito makes an awesome 4" lift. Got the 4-6" NTBD on my truck. Impressive, pretty well explains what I think of it.

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Here's NorCal Truck's LMM Dually and a few of mine with the same Cognito 4-6 Non Torsion Bar Drop Kit

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=74981&d=1225492791
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http://www.norcaltruck.com/cognito-4-6.html

Cognito 4"-6" NTB kit. I hear it rides great. Thats what I'm gonna get on my truck. With that lift, you wont be disappointed.

Cognito kit is a good kit but don't forget about RCD, their kit is a great 5" option. widens the track width a little but with the right backspacing and wheel it looks awsome.

Cognito kit is a good kit but don't forget about RCD, their kit is a great 5" option. widens the track width a little but with the right backspacing and wheel it looks awsome.

Take a look at CST 4" spindle lift, really good lift and about half the cost of others with a set of bilsteins and blocks rides really nice, take a look in my garage!!!

I've got my 4" TC lift and love it. The CV angle is perfect for all the drag/sled racing I do. I think I have some pic's in my online garage. It's actually a little negitive. My buddys truck has a Rancho and the CV's are bad! The only thing I don't like with the TC lift is the center (Sub Frame) ground clearance. My buddy's truck has about 3" More clearance...

yea if its 2wd cst spindle and TC UCA is a great and economical way to go

I've got my 4" TC lift and love it. The CV angle is perfect for all the drag/sled racing I do. I think I have some pic's in my online garage. It's actually a little negitive. My buddys truck has a Rancho and the CV's are bad! The only thing I don't like with the TC lift is the center (Sub Frame) ground clearance. My buddy's truck has about 3" More clearance...

Do you guys know why with the TC lift you can't use your factory rims? Is it because the new knuckel won't fit inside the 16" factory wheel?

Do you guys know why with the TC lift you can't use your factory rims? Is it because the new knuckel won't fit inside the 16" factory wheel?


That's it, once you extend the length of the knuckle it will no longer fit inside the wheel. I had the RCD on my truck and changed it out for the Cognito because you can use a 17" wheel with up to 5.5" of BS. The RCD only allows 4.625" of BS on the same diameter wheel. Also, the Cognito only kicks out your front tracking 1/2" on each side and the RCD is closer to 1". It's all personal preference but I don't like wide front tracking on my truck.

That's it, once you extend the length of the knuckle it will no longer fit inside the wheel. I had the RCD on my truck and changed it out for the Cognito because you can use a 17" wheel with up to 5.5" of BS. The RCD only allows 4.625" of BS on the same diameter wheel. Also, the Cognito only kicks out your front tracking 1/2" on each side and the RCD is closer to 1". It's all personal preference but I don't like wide front tracking on my truck.

Ahh crap I figured..... Hey I have some family out by you in Burnaby & Surrey. I like the Cognito 4" kit but 2K for a front end only lift is a little high in these times:cool:. Another reason for me to do a D60 SAS I guess ;)

Ahh crap I figured..... Hey I have some family out by you in Burnaby & Surrey. I like the Cognito 4" kit but 2K for a front end only lift is a little high in these times:cool:. Another reason for me to do a D60 SAS I guess ;)


What does that $2000.00 price tag include because I know you can get it way cheaper than that. Are you speaking of the NTBD(Non Torsion Bar Drop)or the TBD kit. My Mom lives in Burnaby (10 min away) and I have relatives in Surrey(About 25 min away).

its not $2,000 for the front lift only. You can get the Cognito 4"-6" NTB, rear blocks, and 4 new Bilstein shocks for about $2,100 from Nor Cal Nick. Thats a complete lift kit.

What does that $2000.00 price tag include because I know you can get it way cheaper than that. Are you speaking of the NTBD(Non Torsion Bar Drop)or the TBD kit. My Mom lives in Burnaby (10 min away) and I have relatives in Surrey(About 25 min away).


Yeah the NTBD kit alone is $1650...then with shocks + rear blocks/u-bolts the kit hits the 2k mark....then a little over 2k with shipping. Then you have to do the beefy tierod ends, etc.

Ok....I just check out http://www.jackit.com/chevy/pickups/2500_1ton_99-07.html#tuff

They say with the new TC 4" lift you can retain your stock rims....hmmmm. $1322.00 with shocks and rear blocks (full kit)

"The new steering knuckles allow for stock rims to be used as long as you retain a stock width tire. We haven't found another knuckle designed kit that you can run stock wheels on, which can save you a lot of money since purchasing new wheels isn't necessary.The new steering knuckles allow for stock rims to be used as long as you retain a stock width tire. We haven't found another knuckle designed kit that you can run stock wheels on, which can save you a lot of money since purchasing new wheels isn't necessary."

just saying, i can't recommend cognito enough. IMO they make the best IFS lifts on the market. Also IMO, comparing TC to Cognito is like comparing Toyota to GMC/CHEVY. You get what you pay for. These are the nicest truck on the road, why skimp on lifting it, I would think if you drive the best truck on the road, you would only want the best products on it. But thats just me. Coyote, there is are Cognito dealers in Bend, OR and Bozeman, MT. So to boise, i would think shipping would be terrible, I realize its alot of weight though.

just saying, i can't recommend cognito enough. IMO they make the best IFS lifts on the market. Also IMO, comparing TC to Cognito is like comparing Toyota to GMC/CHEVY. You get what you pay for. These are the nicest truck on the road, why skimp on lifting it, I would think if you drive the best truck on the road, you would only want the best products on it. But thats just me. Coyote, there is are Cognito dealers in Bend, OR and Bozeman, MT. So to boise, i would think shipping would be terrible, I realize its alot of weight though.

I totally agree but I doubt with todays economy these places in OR or MT would stock the kits. The stuff would be drop shipped out of Cognito.

Was going to let you know that you can use the stock PYO's with the TC, but you figured it out. I have my drag slicks mounted to my stock PYO's!

Shipping from Cognito in California to me in Pennsylvania was $200

kilo.. do you have a good explanation for going on about cognito like that? i would really like to know what is so much better about cognito than any other lift! Is it because it cost more than anything else so everybody thinks its better? Im not being smart because i am in the market for a lift myself! I would just really like to know why 90% of people that say anything about suspension on here is "COGNITO ALL THE WAY!!!!"?????????

kilo.. do you have a good explanation for going on about cognito like that? i would really like to know what is so much better about cognito than any other lift! Is it because it cost more than anything else so everybody thinks its better? Im not being smart because i am in the market for a lift myself! I would just really like to know why 90% of people that say anything about suspension on here is "COGNITO ALL THE WAY!!!!"?????????

I agree, i'm not hating on anyone who has cognito or am I hating on the lift or it's quality. I know it is a very nice strong lift designed well for our trucks. I just think it's way over priced, buy the time you buy all the parts for the cognito you could have bought two TC lifts, I know it is probably a better lift but I just do not see spending that much more money for it when another lift will do the same thing half the price and just as good. Yeah if I was a serious off raod guy who really pushed my truck to the limit off road all the time I would go cognito, but for riding around town just too look good I do not see it. Ps kilo I dont see your comparaison to chevy/gmc to a Tundra as cognito to TC, the new tundra is a very nice and very fast truck right out of the box. Based on looking at your mods a stock trundra would def keep up with your modded truck, thoses things are no joke. I'm done ranting now.

kilo.. do you have a good explanation for going on about cognito like that? i would really like to know what is so much better about cognito than any other lift! Is it because it cost more than anything else so everybody thinks its better? Im not being smart because i am in the market for a lift myself! I would just really like to know why 90% of people that say anything about suspension on here is "COGNITO ALL THE WAY!!!!"?????????

dylanaire,

I can't speak for Kilo but I can give you my reasons for liking the Cognito kit. First off, I changed out my RCD for the Cognito with the main reason being that Cognito has the least amount of front tracking increase of any knuckle lift(1/2" ea side). This is not to say that RCD doesn't makes a great kit because they do, I just didn't like the amount of front tracking that came with the installation of their kit. Cognito does the little things right like supplying all the polyurethane and delrin bushings with Zerks so they are greasable. I really like their knuckle design as well. The kit, IMHO exudes quality. If someone has something they've bought and really like it they will recommend it to other people. Word of mouth is, by far, the best way to sell things. Advertising doesn't even come close. I think the Rize kit sucks, but that's just me, other guys love it for their own reasons and that's fine. To each his own. I like Cognito for more than the reasons I stated above and feel that if you wanted a superior quality lift kit, it would be a great choice, however in these tough economic times we sometimes have to buy the stuff we can afford and Cognito is expensive compared to a lot of other kits but if you put a lot of R&D into your products, like Cognito and others, they're going to cost more. Time is money. For what it's worth that's my $0.02 and no offense to anyone.

nice truck pal

well, when i said all that stuff, I did say IMO(In My Opinion). It is a mix of preference, and actual knowledge of the lift it's self compared to others. The reasons I like Cognito so much are: They ONLY make items for GM. So they are focused on what they do. Cognito offers the MOST additional options of any brand for complete customization of your lift, as well as the MOST upgrades to make, for example, the steering system of the truck actually good. Basically, with other lifts like TC that don't come with steering upgrades, once you lift and add bigger tires, you're gonna end up with sloppy steering and have to replace steering components MUCH MUCH sooner, such as the pitman/idler arms. Cognito kits come with the pitman/Idler arm supports that cost over $200; so to keep the steering strong with a TC lift, you would till have to add the $200. Another reason I like Cognito is, like with the 4-6 NTB, it keeps everything tucked up under the truck so it looks clean, but that is preference. Also durability, i have a couple friends with LB7's with TC lifts on them, and the lifts have already started to wear out, to the point where they are looking at having to get new lifts. Now, If I buy a lift, i'm gonna want it to last. Thats only some of the reason why I prefer Cognito. I mean GM's are expensive trucks, why cheap out when it comes to changing thing on an already expensive truck. If thats the case, why didn't you buy something cheap like a FORD! lol

rancho

I'll agree w/rancho, i've had it on a 1500 z71 for 3 years and now just put one on my HD, it held up great in the nasty wisconsin weather we have.

I have had good experience with rancho, but I think now its outdated technology. Doesn't rancho still just make a UCA drop style lift? A spindle lift like Cognito or CST is just so much better, stringer. But like i said, I have had good experience with rancho; my dad's 93' sierra 6-lug has had a rancho 4" lift on it since '94, and its still good. Also rancho has a great warranty program. But i just think with an 8-lug truck, a spindle lift is the way to go, and preferably a higher end one like Cognito or CST.

[quote=kilo6490;3006649] Doesn't rancho still just make a UCA drop style lift?quote]


No.

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/4-in-Suspension-System-with-RS5000-Shocks.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=5491&t_pl=3657&t_pn=RANR1044R5B

well than based on that, Rancho would be another brand too consider IMO>

i got the cst spindles...but if i could afford it...i'd go with the 4" cognito NTBD

Don't forget to add $200 to the price of the TC because you will want the support brackets from Cognito.

Also, most people I've read about on here change out their shocks that come with their lift kits and put Bilsteins on. I know you have to buy shocks for the Cognito kit, but I will bet after a little while the other kits shocks will be getting replaced for some Bilsteins. So that is a wash (for alot of people).

Compare apples to apples

Tuff Country 4" w/ tc shocks approx $1760

Rancho 4" w/ rs5000 approx$1780

Cognito 4" tbd kit w/ rs5000 shock approx $1660 + approx $200 shipping

add pittman idler kit to the tuff country and rancho +$216
upgrade to bilstein shocks +150 all kits
Not a big diffrence in price now..

To add to Navvy's brake down, we have went round and round with this question many of times. Cognito make different stages of there product that can fit into a wide variety of customers. I know most people say Cognito is so much more but that is because they offer so much more than the foundation of the kit so people end up spending more, like HD tie rods and Idler/Pitman braces to Idler pivot's and they are know most for there NON torsion bar drop kit.

The basic Cognito 4" Torsion bar drop style witch is the same style as all the other spindle kits on the market as in the torsion bar cross member being dropped can start priced out at $1660.00 just like Navvy said AND that price has the #1 steering upgrade that everyone adds on (Cognito steering braces) included in the kit witch is a $221.40 RETAIL Value.

So if you compared apple to apple the Cognito kit really is less than most on the market...$1445.00.

But add the other parts that is a main reason why Cognito is sold for and the price is going to be more pending what you pick.


You can't go wrong on the Cognito lift kits. Start off basic and be in the same price as the other kits and know you can add on any time you are ready. :thumb: