Just received my tuner back from Quad. It is the latest revision/version.

I have not put enough miles on it to pick my favorite tune or to notice any quirks or other undesirables. From how it runs so far, I do not think there will be any problems but only time will tell.

First it installed just as easy as ever. No fuses to pull, no jumping jacks, no hoops. Just plug it in, turn the key.

Right away I noticed it said 01-05 Duramax, so I assume it will work on an LLY as well as my LB7. The next thing I noticed was the tranny relearn. I did not even have to install the tuner to use this funtion, so I believe you could reset somebody elses transmission while the tuner was installed on your truck?

Now to the good stuff. Top speed limiter removal. Same as before.

New feature!!!!, axel gear selection from 2.73 to 5.88.

Tire height input, 26" to ??? I stopped at my 265/75. Same as before.

Now to the tunes. 10 of them. Count them and weep. The first tune is the economy tune or 30HP. I ran this tune for a few miles. It makes the engine wake up a little I will test milage later. I also ran the 70 HP tune, which is the one I always used before. It worked good. Nice and strong. Will roll a little coal here at 5000 feet but not to bad. I Like the 70 because I do not worry much about the EGT or transmission.

I have not tried any other tunes yet, but there are quite a few to play with.

Here they are.

1. Economy ( 30HP)
2. 50 HP
3. 70 HP
4. 90 HP
5. 110 HP
6. 135 HP
7. 165 HP
8. 190 HP
9. 215 HP
10. 215 HP ( N20 tune)

As I put down some miles and try other tunes I will report back. I know Quad is not a supporting manufacture here, but I did by this tuner from a long time supporting vendor here on the Diesel Place, so play nice!

I went to the Quad web site to verify the $699.00 pricing, but the site hasn't been updated. Can any of the Quad dealers verify pricing? :help2:

I am not sure on pricing, but its good to see this come through. I may send mine back as well. Bronco, keep us updated on how you like it.

Like said above.. Play nice!

Is BIG LOTS A SUPPORTING VENDOR HERE...................$69.00 PER TUNE....................BLUEPLATE SPECIAL

It is worth it to smoke some extreme ass. Yours is like 1500 div. by three is like 500 per tune. Man you need some vaseline with that horse f***ing. But t its all good.

How could it work on LLY's and LB7's?

Don't think so!

It could have both LLY and LB7 tunes in there. It reads the VIN and offers up the appropriate tune for the VIN. Very plausible.

all the extra features that it has other than the tunes, bully dog has had out on their tunners for the last 6 months, funny thing, but his tunes are different, neat to compare the hp to the clamed, good job quad

):h

Ok, I understand whay you're saying Max, which makes sense.

I do know that the same tune will obviously not work on both models.

It could have both LLY and LB7 tunes in there. It reads the VIN and offers up the appropriate tune for the VIN. Very plausible.
And very cool if it does that. :rockit:

It sure would inrease resale value for the people buying LB7 tuners. Or at very least it would be great for the guy who wants a tuner for his LB7 but thinks he might change to an LLY down the road.

Any charge for the updates?? Last time I had mine in, no charge on the update. For all the beating Quads have taken on the boards, I must say I have no complaints. As far as performance, my 165 is very strong and runs great. I did have an issue with it locking up a while back, but I recieved an EMail from quad helping me find out what was wrong, and haven't had a problem since. Good price, good performance, good service.. what can I say. I'll be calling them tomorrow.:deal:

Are all ten levels available for the LLY too? Like the 215 hp tune?

10 tune version is for LB7 only, another tuner will be for LLY and LB7 with I believe 6 tunes up to 135 for each.

It is worth it to smoke some extreme ass. Yours is like 1500 div. by three is like 500 per tune. Man you need some vaseline with that horse f***ing. But t its all good.

Now see what you've gone and done,drawn me out :D

Here's my take. :eek:

Seems to me it's a fire sale.Here's all I got in one cheap package take it or leave it,I'm throwing in the towel,I'm done.What good is 10 tunes,it aint switchable on the fly? Overkill really. Maybe today I'll try the 70 tune.......not



Justin maybe you could load them all at once and have like......1500 HP! :p:


What do they say when you "have" to give it away? Dudes paid 1200 bucks for Quad tuners not to far back.

Turn out the lights! :D










I'm not bashing just giving my O

10 tune version is for LB7 only, another tuner will be for LLY and LB7 with I believe 6 tunes up to 135 for each.What you posted is exactly how it was explained to me a month ago, then a friend of Quad told me that my tuner would be incorporated.

So when I recieved it and saw the 01-05 I figured it was for all of them. I really do not know, that is why I said assumed:o: . If I see an LLY I will try an install. Maybe go to the dealer for a test drive and try to install the largest tune before the drive and the salsmen gets out to the truck.:ro)




Mack your points are valid. I am sure there will be a handful of 215 users who feel like they just got hosed, on the other hand there are way more guys like me who feel like they just got the sweetest upgrade ever.

Kinda like the transmission wars. Theres always something better. Have you paid to have your Suncoast fixed/upgraded to the latest release?
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27668

Mine is due today, have both LLY and LB7 in driveway, will try on LLy first and report.

Mine is due today, have both LLY and LB7 in driveway, will try on LLy first and report.
All those tuners............:(
I'm jealous.

I'm in my second childhood, just trying to find out what works best....then a fire sale.

It is worth it to smoke some extreme ass. Yours is like 1500 div. by three is like 500 per tune. Man you need some vaseline with that horse f***ing. But t its all good.

I remember buying my quad new for $1200 bucks a year ago .....

It is worth it to smoke some extreme ass. Yours is like 1500 div. by three is like 500 per tune. Man you need some vaseline with that horse f***ing. But t its all good.
You will have to go out and buy the 11th tune and stack it with the other 10 before you can even compete. Who is bending over now? No kiss. ):h

Sp33d, I like your radar sign.

if you order an Extreme now you'll have it by the end of the pulling/racing season

I also will be going with the Quad tuner. I got off the phone with them yesterday and asked if there was a 30 day money back guarantee in case this tuner was FOS. "No problem. If it doesn't do what it advertises then send it back. I guarantee you'll be keeping it though." That's what he said. I'll give you guys a full report soon.

if you order an Extreme now you'll have it by the end of the pulling/racing season
You won't have that problem, will you? :cool:

You won't have that problem, will you? :cool:i do not think he needs them problems have yet to see a extreme run with him

10 tune version is for LB7 only, another tuner will be for LLY and LB7 with I believe 6 tunes up to 135 for each.That is right. The 10 tune is the new 215 only for the LB7 at this point.

The LLY and LB7 tuner has 6 tunes for each.

They are:

Econo
50
70
90
110
135

i do not think he needs them problems have yet to see a extreme run with him
He will. :D

I went to the Quad web site to verify the $699.00 pricing, but the site hasn't been updated. Can any of the Quad dealers verify pricing? :help2:
Yes I can!

I just looked at the back of the tuner. It list the 10 tunes and it does say FOR LB7 ONLY.

When you first plug in the tuner, the first screen states for the 01-05 Duramax. So I did get a little confused. Sorry for the mis-information.

Looks like you would have to go with the 6 tune model if you want the tuner that works on both the LB7 and also the LLY.

So hows it run? Lotsa smoke? Does she rattle cause of too much timing? How's the mapping? Inquiring minds wanna know.

I have 8 new injectors and B20 in the tank. There is no rattle.

The tunes are smooth and do a great job of hiding the turbo lag.

The lower tunes only smoke when you make them.

I can't give you any feedback on the bigger tunes yet.

The 30 tune( economy) is very mellow,does not smoke and wakes the motor up just a tiny bit. Real good tune for the very timid.

Why can't they have 10 tunes for LLY like the LB7? Why not 215hp for LLY.

hey fellows,just installed the new version tonight,o what a feeling...of course tryed the lower tunes first did pretty good,no rattle,did notice that the 90hp tune felt a little less,or not as strong as the predator did on 85hp tune but then again thats just me.i did try the 165 tune and wow really nice,was really happy the way it picked up the boost,and very little lag very happy.lots and lots of smoke i love it,but im working on cleaning that up as soon as i get some help,info on hooking up my lift pump.was scared to stay in the throttle to long because of no lift pump,so if anyone can help with some info or tips would be greatly thankful.but the quad rocks. guess i have to change my sig now.....

Mack your points are valid. I am sure there will be a handful of 215 users who feel like they just got hosed, on the other hand there are way more guys like me who feel like they just got the sweetest upgrade ever.

Kinda like the transmission wars. Theres always something better. Have you paid to have your Suncoast fixed/upgraded to the latest release?
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27668

Not yet

Is it Bullydog that keeps Quad tunes from changing on the fly ( you don't rob banks with his tune ) or is it just the rattlecan technology?

Is it Bullydog that keeps Quad tunes from changing on the fly ( you don't rob banks with his tune ) or is it just the rattlecan technology?:confused:

:confused:
duramaxdiesel
My point is with the Quad you must pull over to the side of the road and go through a ritual to change the program ( unless something has changed ). Am I wrong?

Ah OK I get you now:cool: I guess that could pose a problem for some. Personally I'll always want my truck set to kill. Never know when opportunity will arise:D

so i pull over for 3-4 minutes and pull off the quad tune, now i'm good to pull into the dealer for warranty work. Can you extreme guys take me through your process? matt

duramaxdiesel

I personaly like to travel as a wolf in sheep clothing. Funny, I never gave sheep a second thought till I got to know Juice. :confuzeld

I'm guessing they pop off a few nuts, pull a few plugs, replace a box, tighten their nuts(I can see it coming already:D ) and drive away.:lol:

That's about right for replacing the OEM ECM ... however changing levels involves flipping a switch ...about 2 seconds to do that...if your slow.



I'm guessing they pop off a few nuts, pull a few plugs, replace a box, tighten their nuts(I can see it coming already:D ) and drive away.:lol:

No more rattle.

The new version does not rattle like my old tuner. I have tried the 30,50,70 and 190 and none rattle like before.

While I had the tuner back in Quadland, I did get 8 new injectors. My old tuner was NOT the latest revision. So to be honest I have no idea if it is the new injectors or the new revision but anycase this tuner rocks!

Bronco I can't wait for mine to arrive:ro) I'm going nuts over here. I'm going right to the 215 tune and gonna nail the sh!t outta my DTT and see if Stage 1 will hold. Whaddaya think Stefan?:D

That would not be fare to the DTT. You need to give the TCM a little time to increase line pressure and adjust apply times.

Also don't be afraid to play around with the 4 big tunes. You might be suprised witch one runs the hardest.

I thin the 190 tune is the one that stacks well with your Juice on level 1.

The 215 Non-nos Version Stacks Well With The Juice On Level 5 On My Truck :)

Hmm good point. I guess I could drive like a p ussy for a few hours:lol: It was a long winter man, and I'm itching to play again.

Besides if you get in and nail it, you might just end up sideways. :ro)

The 215 Non-nos Version Stacks Well With The Juice On Level 5 On My Truck :)
I take it you got your new 10 tune Quad? :)

Wait a sec? There's two versions available? One with Nos and one without?

The truck will need to learn WOT sooner or later, Let the thing get up to temp, put her in 4x4 and let her eat! No sense letting it get used to some puss tune only to start slipping and have it need to figure out a higher tune after a week. Set it to kill and :grd: JMO.

i do not think he needs them problems have yet to see a extreme run with him
well Jess (King D, N20 DMAX) runs 11.30's............I would say thats quite a bit ahead of him.

Wait a sec? There's two versions available? One with Nos and one without?
There are 3 big tunes.
190 ( suppose to stack well)
215 ( standalone)
215 ( N20 or smoke bomb)

All the same tuner.

well Jess (King D, N20 DMAX) runs 11.30's............I would say thats quite a bit ahead of him.

That is on propane also. Tomac is not running propane. You really cannot compare two totally separate trucks in that fashion anyway to say one is better than the other.

Same truck, same day, same truck, same power adders and then make passes with the Quad, then the TTS. That will tell you what is better.....

Damn! You really can't go wrong for the price huh? I can't wait to get mine and put it on the rollers. Then the real test....the track.

i do not think he needs them problems have yet to see a extreme run with him
Actually, quite the opposite. Back to back dyno runs on my truck last Saturday, stacked and just with the 215 by itself against the Xtreme show that the Xtreme is still the best. The new Quad stacked with the Edge is closer than it used to be for a peak #, but the area under the curve exhibited by the Xtreme is still better than anything else I have tested.

Actually, quite the opposite. Back to back dyno runs on my truck last Saturday, stacked and just with the 215 by itself against the Xtreme show that the Xtreme is still the best. The new Quad stacked with the Edge is closer than it used to be for a peak #, but the area under the curve exhibited by the Xtreme is still better than anything else I have tested.
So what does 15 HP on the dyno equate to in the 1/4 mile? Is it worth 900.00 dollars?

duramaxdiesel

I personaly like to travel as a wolf in sheep clothing. Funny, I never gave sheep a second thought till I got to know Juice. :confuzeld

"Fusegrips" + "Juicegrips"= Baa Baa Baaaad Hooey!):h

So what does 15 HP on the dyno equate to in the 1/4 mile? Is it worth 900.00 dollars?
Your obviously working with information supplied to you from the Quad marketing department.

Care to expand on the $900.00 comment?

Out of respect for other manufacturers I have never posted back to back results, only commented on my discoveries. Just remember, the Quad/Edge ($2000.00 last Feb.) stack's inabilty to produce the promised results is what pissed me off enough to buy every tuner and conduct my own tests. And now the Quad is 1/2 price, but the Xtreme is still the same.


I'm glad your happy with you new Quad, its works well stacked with the Edge for showing a peak number. I respect your decision to use that tuner, but I refuse to let you or anyone else mislead some newbie into thinking it is as good as an Xtreme.

I had actually hoped last Saturday that it would be better, because that would have prompted TTS to take the Xtreme to the next level and as I have said so many times in the past "we as the consumer benefit".

In this case it cost me $400 in dyno time to test the latest and greatest and dissprove something that happened at the dyno day gathering a few weeks ago. Ultimately, the entire community benefits.

So what does 15 HP on the dyno equate to in the 1/4 mile? Is it worth 900.00 dollars?Well last I looked it was a lot more than 15 Hp and the cost of a Edge + Quad was $699 + 895. The Xtreme is only $1295. So if you want to spend more and get less be my guest! If you are going to compare to the Quad only I'll let you choose by looking at the test results of a independent load dyno test on the same truck, on the same dyno, on the same day!

[QUOTE=BMDMAX]That is on propane also. Tomac is not running propane. You really cannot compare two totally separate trucks in that fashion anyway to say one is better than the other.

Same truck, same day, same truck, same power adders and then make passes with the Quad, then the TTS. That will tell you what is better.....[/QUOTE

Jess and NLDP both are in the 11's on Extreme/nitrous only. RyanU ran a 12.3 with the extreme/N2O and he was at FULL weight/first time to the track. Let him dial it in and get a few runs under his belt and he will be 11's also.

The chart provided shows about a 20HP peak gain. Thats why I said 20HP.

Now I did ask what that equaled on the 1/4 mile because I understand the difference between peak and average. The curve on the Extreme is much fatter.

So if I used anybodys truck with a built transmission and lift pump, what would be the 1/4 times for each truck?

The comment about the 900 dollars goes like this. The Quad 215 is 700.00 dollars. The Extreme is 1295.00. Now to make the Extreme returnable to stock for diagnostic purposes, you must add 300.00 for a spare ECM. So 1295.00 plus 300 is 1600.00
1600-700 + 900.00 difference between the Extreme and Quad.

So now I ask what is the difference in 1/4 mile times and is it worth 900.00 dollars. If you think adding the factory ECM is unfair then figure it like this, 1300-700= 600.00.

Now let me take my 600.00 and install N02. What is the 1/4 mile difference?

When The Quad was 1200 there was some comparison but now the Extreme is truly in a league of it's own. It is trully the Cadillac of tuners.

I am not misleading anybody. I am truly asking how much quicker is the Extreme and is it worth the price difference?

Would the leftover money be better spent on N20?

Some have no cares about money and only want the best, by the Cadillac.

Perhaps the title of this thread should be changed to, what thes best bang for your buck, but not the MOST powerful.

you can't have your cake and eat it too. dollar for dollar they quad appears to make more power if it is in fact cheaper as i have recently read.

last time i checked most of us that are getting serious here (trying different pumps, spending thousands on our transmissions, buying NOS setups) weren't trying to get 90% of the max power our engines can be tuned to make. we want it all as we don't have extra leftover

just something to think about. if you bought a suncaost level 5 or an ATS, why didn't you save some money on just get a transgo kit and a converter? most likely because you thought you would get better performance/holding capacity..

plus i look at it this way.. i get 3 tunes i can run anytime i want, not one. i drive in the 120, then if i wanna play at a moments notice and spank a vette, etc i flip the switch. i don't have to ask them to hold on while i shut the truck down and re-program it...

having tried many options i'll say i've easily spent more on all the other things i bought and sold learning which ones works best on my truck. then i sold them all except for the keeper.

and just like Guy said, i wish the quad alone did beat the Extreme as it would benefit all of us!

Maybe we should keep this thread titled exactly what it is, and any reference to the EXTREME should be deleted?

I didnt start this thread to bash or compare. I started it so fellow Quad version 4.02 users would have a place to share there experience. Good or bad.

Good points DP, your right that some have spent thousands on mods, so the question does seem appropriate, why skimp on the programmer..

But, we are seeing a growing divide in the cost of tuners as compared to performance.. I look at programming as just that, programming...code. There is a limit to what it is worth, and what folks will pay for it..



But I also realize there is a great deal of work in getting that programming to work at it's best, and I salute Mr. Cole in his accomplishment, time, and expense to get there. I personally think if he's got the best, then h**l yeah it should cost the most, and if the market bears it and it sells, there you have it. Maybe I can make the comparison to any technology, that when new, if you want the best, get ready to pay up. But with that comes the passage of time, and a reduction of prices to remain competative as the market fills.

I think that is where the performance tuner market for these trucks is headed. More players, more options, less cost. Quad has been openly bashed for lowering his price on his 215 tune. I happen to think it's a matter of time for manufacturers, and he's ahead of the curve.

When there were only a few big HP tuners, all were at or over 1K. Now there is just one.. What will happen if the Sniper Tuner advertised in Diesel Power turns out to be the next big thing? What if it becomes possible for anyone with access to a dyno to program their own truck? What if it all costs a lot less? Would TTS lower it's price? Would he be ridiculed for sc*ewing those who payed $1300 or more and then lowered his price for the same product?

I understand Bronco's point, maybe this is what he was getting at. Me, I've taken advantage of the current situation as a Quad owner, and will now have the 10 Tune 215, plus N20. Thats not to say I wouldn't love an Extreme, if it came in a module ala Edge or VanAaken I'd have probably ordered one a while ago, but I'm not keen on the ECM format. I want the best of all worlds, switchable, leaving my ECM stock, read/erase codes, reasonably priced :blahblah: .

Which brings me back to the original question, if some have spent thousands on mods, why skimp on the programmer.. well, I may have spent thousands, but not blindly, I've done all the wrenching myself, saving plenty, and have researched everything to death prior to making any purchase. Even tho it seems we spend blindly on our passion, at least for me there is a cost/benefit factor in every expense, and for me, the Extreme at $1295 doesn't make it.

But, thats just me, and obviously with the number of Extremes filling Sig lines, others find it does fit, and thats ok too.

Some good points are being made here. My original post in reference to the Extreme was a combative move. After 4-5 mines better then yours, when this thread was not even about yours I responded.

I would still like somebody to answer my question. What does that 600.00 equal in ET reduction at the dragstrip. Thats the millon dollar question.

1/10 of a second?
1/2 of a second?
1 second?

Would 600.00 dollars of N20 net a better reduction in ET?

Some just like to spend the most and be the best, more power to you.
Some of us like good value.
It really dosn't matter.

I like having a tuner with so many options, I buy bigger tires, bam done deal speedo recalibrated.

I need to reset my tranny, bam done deal.

I need to read a code, bam done deal.

The real point here is that the Quad version 4.02 is cheaper, upgrades are cheaper, axel gear input, and the new tunes really behave nicely in my truck. The transmission
learns in like 4 shifts. Before I would drive for weeks and wonder when the tranny was gonna fall out. Like I said, it could be my new injectors?

As more get the updated tuner, we can compare notes.

I went 13.68 with a QUAD 215/Hot OJ on Level 2..........stacked.......

I went 13.35 with an Xtreme only.............

Different Day, Same track, Same truck.............

If you want to answer that question, what is $600 worth.............if you are a serious racer then it don't matter..........if you want to play and be a street warrior then stay with the Quad for the reasons you stated.

Without being combative, I like others had the Stack, I have a JK-VA and a Predator, I had a VA pressure box...........bottom line nothing to date compares to the Xtreme.
Is it for everybody, obviously not..............but too many members have gone from everything else to the Xtreme and are not going back to a stack.........

That alone speaks volumes of how good it is.

T:D NY

Keep in mind N20 is a recurring expense. If one were to factor that into the cost savings equation the Extreme is obviously cheaper in the long term.

Speaking of N20, GMC why no go gas?? Put that SD manifold to some good use and:grd: . With 12's that close, don't know how you can resist..

Speaking of N20, GMC why no go gas?? Put that SD manifold to some good use and:grd: . With 12's that close, don't know how you can resist.. I think the wife and kids might be a limiting factor...
That, or he's skeered...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

[QUOTE=BMDMAX]That is on propane also. Tomac is not running propane. You really cannot compare two totally separate trucks in that fashion anyway to say one is better than the other.

Same truck, same day, same truck, same power adders and then make passes with the Quad, then the TTS. That will tell you what is better.....[/QUOTE

Jess and NLDP both are in the 11's on Extreme/nitrous only. RyanU ran a 12.3 with the extreme/N2O and he was at FULL weight/first time to the track. Let him dial it in and get a few runs under his belt and he will be 11's also.

My point still stands. Same truck, same day, same track, run them both.

Tomac has made the 11's on the stack and nitrous too.

I run a 12.3 at FULL weight in 2WD so don't expect me to jump up and down over that.... ;)

Point is both of these combos can get the job done, it just depends on whose cheerleaders outfit you want to wear. :rolleyes:

Speaking of N20, GMC why no go gas?? Put that SD manifold to some good use and:grd: . With 12's that close, don't know how you can resist..
I have just had my Xtreme updated by MR. COLE.......I had an older version of the Xtreme and even so went 13.35.........

As far as why no gas.............I am looking for a repeatable 12.99 with the Xtreme only..........once I get that then I will install the NOS.........

Either way it will be on for the MAY 12th, Jannety track day at Lebanon, NY......

T;) NY

I think the wife and kids might be a limiting factor...
That, or he's skeered...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif
Uhmmmmmmmmmmmm,

I don't think so...........she wants her TDI Bug chipped ASAP.

T;) NY

Keep in mind N20 is a recurring expense. If one were to factor that into the cost savings equation the Extreme is obviously cheaper in the long term.

:confused: So now the Extreme with just diesel is faster than the stack on nitrous? People running the Extreme the fastest are running nitrous too.

Damn thing must be magic. Can I reverse the rotation of the earth with it if I get a good launch too?

Point is both of these combos can get the job done, it just depends on whose cheerleaders outfit you want to wear. :rolleyes:Exactly!!

My point still stands. Same truck, same day, same track, run them both.

Tomac has made the 11's on the stack and nitrous too.

I run a 12.3 at FULL weight in 2WD so don't expect me to jump up and down over that.... ;)

Point is both of these combos can get the job done, it just depends on whose cheerleaders outfit you want to wear. :rolleyes:
I would have but I have sold several of my tuners including the 215 and the HOT OJ........anyone need a JK-VA-200+++

Your 12.3's are not comparable to most guys as you are a lighter truck and yours seems to overachieve in a lot of areas..........;) , which is fine..........but what are those injectors worth ?????? and you stated your CP3 was somewhat of an overacheiver as well...........:) ........and like all good racers you have a few tricks up your sleeve too.........

That is what this is about is it not..........I am looking for a comparison of a 4X4, Crew Cab, Shortbed...........around 7100-7300 lbs, with a stock turbo, no tweaks, stock injectors, no moddign of any hard parts..........just an intake, exhaust, and programming...........then see where the chips fall........

:cool:

My truck is not light. It is over 7,000 pounds......

According to DT injectors don't do squat right? Which is it?

My CP3 is stock but it seems to hold pressure very well.

You have 4WD so your 60's can be better. We can go back and forth like this all we want.

I would like to do the Extreme / Quad stack comparison on my truck but I am not going to shell out another 1500 bucks without being able to send it back for a refund. That is not going to happen so I will stick with what I have......

So what does 15 HP on the dyno equate to in the 1/4 mile?The chart provided shows about a 20HP peak gain. Thats why I said 20HP.While the Xtreme is not for everyone your posts seem to look like you are trying to compare the two and changing what your looking at along the way. The Xtreme makes 62 HP and 129 Ft/Lbs more @2500 and 27Hp and 46 Ft/Lbs more @3000 RPM or peak power as you call it. I've always said it is what it is, nothing more nothing less. The Xtreme makes more Hp and Torque than Quads latest tune from the start of the run to the end of the run. ;) Maybe Trippin can get the Quad again and run his truck at the track, then report his results. Come to think of it this weekend is the DHRA event what better place to do it.

There are guys on this forum that would bash Quad if the program did everything, put down 1,000 hp from 600 rpm to 6,000 rpm, and he went too their home and did the install, while charging nothing. Just because it is Quad.

So the extreme is the best! big deal to most. I have the very first version of the Quad Stealth, and if I change the tire size, I can correct the speedo in about 2 minutes and still have the power. The extreme can't do that.

One of the guys said you have to pull over to change power level, I don't! I keep it on the top setting all the time, for 2 years now I have had it on the top setting 90% of the time. I don't see the problem, but others do because it is Quad we are talking about.

I bought a new P-II 233 computer with 32 meg ram, printer, and 15" monitor for $2600, less then 2 years later a computer 5 times better was $1200. I got over it. Most here are adults, we should quit crying, and get over the fact that Quad puts out some of the best power tuners for a very fair price. A few here need to get over their problem with Quad!

My :rant: is finished!

To get back on the subject;
Has anyone found out the price for an upgrade? Or if an upgrade is possible, due to him using a different board in the programmer. Maybe a new box would be needed!

well Jess (King D, N20 DMAX) runs 11.30's............I would say thats quite a bit ahead of him.

Don't forget they are running propane

I would like to know what ET and MPH they run w/o propane.

My truck is not light. It is over 7,000 pounds......

According to DT injectors don't do squat right? Which is it?

My CP3 is stock but it seems to hold pressure very well.

You have 4WD so your 60's can be better. We can go back and forth like this all we want.

I would like to do the Extreme / Quad stack comparison on my truck but I am not going to shell out another 1500 bucks without being able to send it back for a refund. That is not going to happen so I will stick with what I have......
I think that you should stick with what works for you........I am not arguing with you Brandon.........if someone wanted to loan a 215 to me I can get my hands on a Juice.........I'll run them back to back

Bottom line is this argument is never gonna end.........:D

Tony

I thought you were going to compare Quad To TTS Xtreme? Let's see what each does on it's own. No need to find an Edge for help. Remember apples to apples.

I think that you should stick with what works for you........I am not arguing with you Brandon.........if someone wanted to loan a 215 to me I can get my hands on a Juice.........I'll run them back to back

Bottom line is this argument is never gonna end.........:D

True dat boo.

We need another dyno trip..... :D

Wow a lot was said while I was gone a few hours. This is starting to look like the Joe and Bill tranny thread):h Keep it up guys, I'm brewing more coffee. Anybody want?:D

Man, this really makes me wish I could have got the quad to work on my truck so I could make my own conclusion.

While the Xtreme is not for everyone your posts seem to look like you are trying to compare the two and changing what your looking at along the way. The Xtreme makes 62 HP and 129 Ft/Lbs more @2500 and 27Hp and 46 Ft/Lbs more @3000 RPM or peak power as you call it. I've always said it is what it is, nothing more nothing less. The Xtreme makes more Hp and Torque than Quads latest tune from the start of the run to the end of the run. ;) Maybe Trippin can get the Quad again and run his truck at the track, then report his results. Come to think of it this weekend is the DHRA event what better place to do it.

62 HP and 129 FT/lbs at 2500 RPM. Getting your marketing stradegy from Banks? Best gains.

So what if if said 15 one time and 20 HP the next time. According to you the graph states 27HP. The resolution on my end did not allow me to pinpoint it.

27HP advantage in a 7000 pound truck is no big deal.

We need some same day, same truck back to back Quad vs. Extreme 1/4 miles.

For the extra 600.00 I hope the Extreme is the clear winner.

To get back on the subject;
Has anyone found out the price for an upgrade? Or if an upgrade is possible, due to him using a different board in the programmer. Maybe a new box would be needed!
I know mine weighs more now, then when I shipped it. ;)

I would like to do the Extreme / Quad stack comparison on my truck but I am not going to shell out another 1500 bucks without being able to send it back for a refund. That is not going to happen so I will stick with what I have......
I spent and lost the money for you. :D

It's too bad that some see me as a cheerleader, I really am here to share truthfull/scientific information.

I spend my own money testing stuff and provide the community with free information.

The last thing I want to happen is for someone to purchase a product based on my results and not be able to duplicate my performance. That really sucks! I have been there. :eek:

Trippin, did you dyno the new Quad tuner? If so what numbers did you put down?

Trippin, did you dyno the new Quad tuner? If so what numbers did you put down?
Diesel Tech posted the graph earlier in this thread.

I'm not at home tonight so I can't post any of the graphs. :(

Sorry I must've missed the graph. I'll dig through the thread.

since this is not an all out quad thread, have any one of you dynoed the jkva
i have twice now by itself, and seen 481hp by 930tq, after doing a 248 hp stock tune, and looking at jk web site dyno chart, this is not to far off
http://www.kennedydiesel.com/Van_Aaken_SmartBoxE200_Dyn.html
so now how does this compare to the extreme, on the DYNO

http://pic3.picturetrail.com/VOL22/566829/847939/91383801.jpg

Fred,

whats wrong with your graph? can you show the whole thing? or did you have the scaling set to 10,000 RPM Max? a helpful tip on a mustang is that when you are looking at the graph under view/print test results, you can click the file menu and save the "Raw data values" to a text file which gives you HP & TQ every 100RPM so you can graph it yourself. i must admit the mustang software sucks for using the built in graphs..

i envy you as your truck always seem to put down beter #'s than mine with the same setups :(

someone send me a quad and a juice to stack. ill go to the track and make about 4 runs each(TTS vs Quad/Juice) then about 3 runs each on n2o. same truck, same day. ill post videos and timeslips of each run. then you can take the best et from just #2 and the best et from #2/n2o

yes, i own an extreme and i love love it. but it doesnt really matter to me what anyone wants to run. we are all out to make power and that all im worried about. i dont hold and grudges towards anyone running a quad/juice. i have seen several trucks perform great under it. but if you all want a side by side same day comparison just supply me with a quad and a juice(actually i can prob get one of those, but its not a hot OJ, does it matter?) and ill go make the comparison. True, i would like to see the TTS come out on top because thats what i own. just like the quad/juice users would like to see their stack come on top. but ill post results with no prejudice and give my honest opinion. i dont mean to push any buttons or make anyone mad but i think its time we could all see for overselves

hell ill even help out with the shipping =)

Tony

I thought you were going to compare Quad To TTS Xtreme? Let's see what each does on it's own. No need to find an Edge for help. Remember apples to apples.


I think there is your answer and the end of the argument right there.

Why doesn't anyone compare the "stand alone" programs to the Xtreme it's always a stack?I'm waiting for Kennedy to rip down the track with the single VA program alone.I hope he comes forward with all the set-up as others don't that are in this topic so it can be duplicated.For example pump,fuel,fuel system modes etc........When their touting their accomplishments,pom pom Sig queens.

Odd but always the case


This has only come about because someone changed their pricing to get some excitement.Tomac,stacked mind you on every run,has been carrying the load to long,someone NEEDS fresh cheerleaders. :D


Cheap tuners,friggen A,that'll get Um putting the skirts on :D

Regards,

Hyperlink Cheerleader SIG free member #1

Xtreme ECM.........Tech II.....4th gear.....mustang load cell......many witnesses......one of may runs.....472/995........Holley Red fuel pump.....stock turbo......stock everthing.........just an ECM, 4" MBRP EXhaust, AFE STAGE II.
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This has only come about because someone changed their pricing to get some excitement.Tomac,stacked mind you on every run,has been carrying the load to long,someone NEEDS fresh cheerleaders. :D


Cheap tuners,friggen A,that'll get Um putting the skirts on :D



Mack you skirt is so far up around your neck you can only see beaver.

It's called compettive buisness practice.

Quads just getting ready for the release of the new removable TTS downloader. Oh yea it's not here yet.

Cheap tuners,friggen A,that'll get Um putting the skirts on :D



BY ANY CHANCE MAC DO YOU STILL HAVE YOUR QUAD SKIRT??? I MIGHT WANT IT---------NAH ON THE OTHER HAND I DONT THINK I DO, SEEING HOW IT WAS RAISED UP AS MANY TIMES AS IT WAS ;) ):h

When looking for the most power why can't we use a stack for comparison? Because the TTS won't stack? For every dyno comparison I've seen where the TTS Extreme dynos higher I've also seen one where the Quad/Juice dynos higher.

One overlooked benefit of the Quad/Juice stack is it's more tuneable for guys that have bigger injectors or want to run alternative fuels. Especially with the new 10 tune Quad and 5 levels on the Juice you have a very adjustable setup. With the Extreme you have 2 usable tunes for making power.

Hey Tomac, have you upgraded to the new Quad? If so, can you still run your Juice on level 5?

haven't upgraded yet

I think that you should stick with what works for you........I am not arguing with you Brandon.........if someone wanted to loan a 215 to me I can get my hands on a Juice.........I'll run them back to back

Bottom line is this argument is never gonna end.........:D
Shoulda kept your freebie...

So now that we are totally obsessed with peak power and lowest ET's has anyone out there tried the new tuner?

How about drivabillaty?
Fish bite, touchy throttle?
Rattle?
Shift Quality?
Smoke?

I know the 190 smokes pretty darn good here at 5000 feet. It has a constant very light mist during normal driving and lets out a huge gob on heavy acceleration when boost is low.

I keep mine on the 70 during day to day. 70 is fast enough to take most rice grinders, sport sedans, and other trucks. ( except other bombed Dmaxes) I keep it this low because there is not much smoke at all, only when taking off hard from a dead stop.

Perhaps I missed this somewhere. Why do people have to stack tuners/boxes from different manufacturers to get the most power? I mean, why is this necessary compared to producing a single tuner that offers the same power as stacking? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare A with B directly vice A to B+C+?

I would think any legitimate comparison/evaluation would be done comparing products directly/solo ...not product A to B+C ... When product B+C are combined and compared to a singe product 'A' what is really being proven? I mean, 2 buckets of water is more then 1 ...duh? Perhaps I'm missing something?

Before I go further, will the Extreme stack with the Edge with attitude or with the Hot Edge with attitude?

Shoulda kept your freebie...:nutkick: ............:stirthepo

Ryan and Tony,

You can run all the back to back runs you want, the ostriches will still have the same view. Be sure to run 3 baseline runs to establish repeatability, and document the weather for each run. Then run an A....B......A......test.

Mtomac, if you really want to see the Quad/Edge stack just ask Diesel Tech to post the graph. I can't because I'm still not at home. Careful, though it's info you might not want to see.

As I said before, I think the latest version of the Xtreme doesn't stack because it has reached the limit of what can be done with the current fuel delivery/turbo system. Sooner or later the other tuners will fig ure it out. They just aren't there yet.

The Quad/Edge stack is a great combo, as is the JKVA stacked. I don't recommend that anybody sell their stuff to buy an Xtreme. Just realize the fact that your running something less.

"Don't blow smoke in my air filter and tell me it's Nitrous."
I have no axe to grind against any tune or stack, I just want the results I paid for. :help2:

We haven't seen any results from upgraded turbos yet. When those come out and I make my decision on twins or an ATS, I expect to get the same results on my truck as Mtomac or HeartBeat. If not.............:(

"The truth shall set you free."

I have yet to see a post/sig that says "12.99 with a xxxx tune + some stuff I can't/won't talk about. :D

:blahblah:


:rant:

Perhaps I missed this somewhere. Why do people have to stack tuners/boxes from different manufacturers to get the most power? I mean, why is this necessary compared to producing a single tuner that offers the same power as stacking? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare A with B directly vice A to B+C+?

I would think any legitimate comparison/evaluation would be done comparing products directly/solo ...not product A to B+C ... When product B+C are combined and compared to a singe product 'A' what is really being proven? I mean, 2 buckets of water is more then 1 ...duh? Perhaps I'm missing something?If you are only interested in buying 1 product that puts out awesome hp, then yes the extreme would be the way to go. If you don't care what you have to stack, wether it be 2 or 3 to get higher or similar hp numbers than the extreme, then all the power to ya.

I am one of those, i don't give a Censored what i have to use, as long as the end result, i have the most hp squeezed out of my beast.

No doubt the extreme rocks, but there are other stacks out there that can and have produced more hp on a dyno(personally i don't care what a dyno queen truck makes on the rollers, i don't win a sled pull with dyno sheets)...............the results racing or pulling a sled have yet to be determined(the real hp players that compete will agree to this)...........maybe this year at Indy, this will all be put to bed, but there will always be a different variable between trucks(injects,turbo,fuel supply :blahblah: ) and so the pissing match continues:D

Basically everyone has the option to buy and use what they want, and everyone will always have a different opinion than yours/mine, so the pom pom cheerleading only makes you look like an idiot.:rant:

If you think you got the best program for your truck, i'm/we are happy for ya, i/we won't discredit your choice.......on the same token don't bash me/others for my/our choice of power..............you guys are starting to sound like the boys over at the dieselstop -:t -:t always argueing between yourselves........remember we are on the same team.

:rant: away, i find it very funny how Quad is still getting under most of your guys skin ):h ):h , must have thin skin from road rash after jumping off of the different bandwagons :eek:

Edit. Tophog, this post was not directed to you, only the first paragraph to go with your thread, the remaining is to the rest of the general public who like to ***** and moan over this dead horse :rant:

Trippin, For every dyno comparison I've seen where the TTS Extreme dynos higher I've also seen a dyno comparison where the Quad/Juice dynos higher.

Before I go further, will the Extreme stack with the Edge with attitude or with the Hot Edge with attitude?

no

I know why most of us will use the J/A Quad stack instead of the Extreme.

Money.

Most of us already have a J/A. So it is cheaper to add the Quad than buy the Extreme.

P.S. I only have a J/A and still have a long ways to go.

Trippin, For every dyno comparison I've seen where the TTS Extreme dynos higher I've also seen a dyno comparison where the Quad/Juice dynos higher.
Same truck, same dyno, same day A....B....A ........comparison?

Before I go further, will the Extreme stack with the Edge with attitude or with the Hot Edge with attitude? No
"No need" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

i wish i could have another member that could report his numbers, but running the jkva170(the lower of the two settings) stacked with the 150 powerpup(quads forfather) was a suscessfull stack as well, making in the low 500hp @960tq

jk did you ever dyno this setup and with the pup i sent you, it has a bit more rattle than stock, but not bad in my books of rattle




I know why most of us will use the J/A Quad stack instead of the Extreme.

Money.

Most of us already have a J/A. So it is cheaper to add the Quad than buy the Extreme.

P.S. I only have a J/A and still have a long ways to go.

Shoulda kept your freebie...It was bartered for..........you know how that works.............I do something for you.........you do something for me..............:eek: .........besides why would I want to keep an underachiever............that didn't do what I wanted........just like another purchase I made...............just didn't get it done...........:rolleyes:



T:cool: NY

It would be interesting to try and stack the Extreme with a rheostat-style pressure box (TS Performance?) and see if it will boost the power a tad. This way the injection event timing is not altered.

Even the most optimistic "stacked" internet dyno's aren't much higher than the typical Extreme single tune trucks dyno sessions that I've personally witnessed.

It would be interesting to try and stack the Extreme with a rheostat-style pressure box (TS Performance?) and see if it will boost the power a tad. This way the injection event timing is not altered.


It's been done. :D

No worky? Even at small settings?

No worky? Even at small settings?P1093 :(

On Edit: Smokes like crazy, good for changing lanes and Nitrous. :D

If the Extreme can deliver a better curve and more power than my current setup on my truck then I am certainly game. Will it make a better number than the 539 the Quad 215/HJAT stack put down? Same truck, same other mystery mods, same day, same dyno, no excuses?

I would buy it in a heartbeat. That is a big 1500 buck gamble though.....

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/Quad215HJ.jpg

Mack you skirt is so far up around your neck you can only see beaver.

It's called compettive buisness practice.

Quads just getting ready for the release of the new removable TTS downloader. Oh yea it's not here yet


Thats a Kilt where I come from,you guys are wearing skirts. :D



Quads just getting ready for the release of the new removable TTS downloader. Oh yea it's not here yet

That's a interesting statement right there that I could get in some trouble with.

Like,

Quad is always trying to lead, but still stumbles to the back of the pack eventually. :eek:

And then he cuts the price and spins it into competitive business practice!Soups on,and it's.......... ready! :D

ANYONE HERE EVER HEARD OF FOX NEWS??? FAIR AND BALANCED??????? THERE ISINT ONE MOD ON THIS SITE THAT DOESNT BASH QUAD EVERYTIME THEY GET A CHANCE. IT MAKES YOU WONDER IF THE NAME OF THE SITE SHOULDNT JUST BE "TTS BANDWAGON" ;)



BY ANY CHANCE DO CNN AND TTS HAVE ANY AFFILITATION??? ):h

Brandon who knows what your truck,two wheel drive and setup would produce with a Xtreme as your seem to always yield bigger 5'th gear dyno runs then most.Those runs included.

Ever see numbers like that posted in the US with those two tunes?

ANYONE HERE EVER HEARD OF FOX NEWS??? FAIR AND BALANCED??????? THERE ISINT ONE MOD ON THIS SITE THAT DOESNT BASH QUAD EVERYTIME THEY GET A CHANCE. IT MAKES YOU WONDER IF THE NAME OF THE SITE SHOULDNT JUST BE "TTS BANDWAGON" ;)



BY ANY CHANCE DO CNN AND TTS HAVE ANY AFFILITATION??? ):h

Nice observation Peanut. Maybe GMSID and Doc would like to differ.

Nick and Chad are Admin and I'm the only mod left So (http://www.barbneal.com/wav/ltunes/foghorn/fogleg65.wav) :D

Thats a Kilt where I come from,you guys are wearing skirts. :D






Mack you've lifted your kilt so many times, you have wool burns on your FUPA. :lol: :joke:

You won't find a post by me bashing the Quad tuner. What I have said (though I don't believe I've ever specifically mentioned the Quad tuner) is that it won't do what the TTS Extreme will do and I stand by that. I have yet to see it produce the same numbers as the Extreme on any truck.

Stacking it is another story. It stacks great with the Edge, no question. Better than the Extreme? Arguable and it really just depends on which side of the fence someone's on.

I just wanted to clarify since your post is a bit off base. I know there are those here that don't like the Quad box or Quad. There are also those here that don't like the Extreme or Steve. I get it and think everyone else does to. I personally have nothing against either. I'll run what works best on my truck end of story. Steve's got my business currently because I like his product best; nothing more or less. I've tried most of the other options too.

I guess at some point we run out of good info to discuss so we feel arguing keeps the posts going.

.......

If the Extreme can deliver a better curve and more power than my current setup on my truck then I am certainly game. Will it make a better number than the 539 the Quad 215/HJAT stack put down? Same truck, same other mystery mods, same day, same dyno, no excuses?

I would buy it in a heartbeat. That is a big 1500 buck gamble though.....

http://www.bmdmax.com/images/Quad215HJ.jpg



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I think the 120 and the hj would be similar..........it was on joes truck

ANYONE HERE EVER HEARD OF FOX NEWS??? FAIR AND BALANCED??????? THERE ISINT ONE MOD ON THIS SITE THAT DOESNT BASH QUAD EVERYTIME THEY GET A CHANCE. IT MAKES YOU WONDER IF THE NAME OF THE SITE SHOULDNT JUST BE "TTS BANDWAGON" ;)



BY ANY CHANCE DO CNN AND TTS HAVE ANY AFFILITATION??? ):h
How fair and balanced do you want it nut? Same truck, same independent dyno, same day...Xtreme........Quad.......Quad/Edge.......Xtreme.

Then we have all the other tuners being sold after people buy an Xtreme.
That's enough evidence to convict O.J.):h

I certainly can't fault the Moderators for wanting to own the best.

You know, I just wanted to share with you guys my experiences, it's a shame that many are suspect of my intentions, as I go to great lengths to conduct objective tests.

i feel trippin, you do a fair and indepentent test, i really do
as for others i am on the bench a bit, but over time it woll work out

one thing i will say about quad is, when i asked to try out his 215 tune, he said know problem sent me the dealers that sell it around me, and said put it on your visa, try it out, after 30 days not happy, send it back, and full money return, now how can one go wrong with that
bully-dog offers the same deal, and has been great to work with

to bad this did not hold out for all tunes, i really feel this could be great for the guys offering the so called best in sales, and have more indepentent test like Guy has done, verifing his results on another truck

My experience with Quad and his customer service was always great. I sent mine back a couple of times for upgrades and always got it back right away.


I'd usually 2nd day air it to him on Monday and have it back on Friday.

:nutkick: ............:stirthepo:exactly: ..........We agree for once...........;)

It was bartered for..........you know how that works.............I do something for you.........you do something for me..............:eek: .........besides why would I want to keep an underachiever............that didn't do what I wanted........just like another purchase I made...............just didn't get it done...........:rolleyes:



T:cool: NY
Yeah, say it's great till it no longer suits you or someone offers a beter deal, THEN report all the bugs and quirks and problems. I know the drill...

Oh how I feel the luv in this thread,it warms my heart!



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Yeah, say it's great till it no longer suits you or someone offers a beter deal, THEN report all the bugs and quirks and problems. I know the drill...Oh a better deal.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/funnypost.gif .........try a better product........one that actually does what it is supposed to do.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/exactly.gif

If the 215/OJ stack was better I would have kept it, it's not.........look at the dyno chart........215 vs the XTREME........no stacking..........

IMHO it's not better for drivability, and falls short on HP & TQ........the JK/VA 200++ I got from you is a POS, the first time I drove my truck it shifts like crap........still does. In fact it is such a worthless tune and everyone who has ran it on there truck has said it's a POS too.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rant.gif

Either fix the VA and upgrade everyone who has one or don't sit out here and accuse members of reporting quirks.........and BTW adding a TCM from a Allison 2000 series didn't do the job either..........it still sucks.

I bet you know the drill........I won't lower myself and sit out here and argue with you as you won't have much to say..........just send the cavalry like you always do. They know that all it takes is a zipped lip to keep the stuff coming........why is it a problem to report that a product being sold does not perform in comparison to another..........I guess we should only report the good and not the bad so we don't hurt sales...........

Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif NY

Wow. Guys we are on the same team. Are there usually debates like this when we all get together with our trucks?

Well, I can say this: The LLY product the Quad released is up to par with the best offerings available right now. Output and smoothness are very good.

Good product.

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and then there was ONE.............http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/cool.gif

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't the point of this thread to talk about the new quad programmer?
Balls, we sure have learned how to take a topic way out in left field lately....
Thanks for your review Bronco, I found it interesting..

):h

Oh how I feel the luv in this thread,it warms my heart!



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so i pull over for 3-4 minutes and pull off the quad tune, now i'm good to pull into the dealer for warranty work. Can you extreme guys take me through your process? matt
about 6 minutes.........with pratice

I spend 6 minutes per each Quad program when I am breaking in a new trans. If you decide to rob a bank with a Quad, make sure you are in the top program.

The Quad progrman does take quite a while to do the inital install and the final removal.

However once installed, it takes about 30-45 seconds to switch inbetween tunes.

If you are at the racetrack, you have ample time to switch tunes inbetween runs.

Now if all want to do is blind traffic or race stoplights, you had better by a switch on the fly tune. You could always run a small Quad tune ( 90hp) the juice on 1 and then flip the juice to 5 when you want some extra power. All for 1300 dollars plus you get guages to boot.

BACK TO THE QUAD revision 4.02.

I have been driving the 70HP tune alot. The only time it smokes is when you really hit the accelerater from low speeds. It will belch out a 10 foot long by 3 foot high cloud of smoke. Pretty small. But the tune sure does wake the truck up for daily driving. Lets you get in and out of traffic very easily. There is NO rattle. I am suprised. I wonder how many with rattle problems had questionable injectors? I just had 8 replaced so I am not sur if it is the new revision or the injectors? Maybe some using the latest revision can chime in about rattle. Like I said, I have none.My Dmax has never been happier. I would honestly reccomend Quad level 30,50 or 70 for any daily driver/tower with stock transmission,stock fuel system and aftermarket exaust.

In general, can ya run the new quad on max and the hot juice on 5 or will the juice have to be turned down to 1/4 race without issues. I am going to bracket race in a couple weeks and dont want to waste 2 time runs figuring it out. I DO want to go as fast as possible though.:D

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't the point of this thread to talk about the new quad programmer?
Balls, we sure have learned how to take a topic way out in left field lately....
Thanks for your review Bronco, I found it interesting..


Your right..... but post #5 started and then #24 finished this thread off.All on the first page. Which brought out the defensive tactics for good reason as anouther tuner manufacture was brought in to the topic.Just my observation, reading back.

I didn't expect any different end result

In general, can ya run the new quad on max and the hot juice on 5 or will the juice have to be turned down to 1/4 race without issues. I am going to bracket race in a couple weeks and dont want to waste 2 time runs figuring it out. I DO want to go as fast as possible though.:D
The new Quad 215 didn't have any rattle on my truck. Level 5 will probably burst. When stacking with the Edge, start at level 0 and increase the level with each run. Do this on the street before you get to the race track. Be prepared for bursting around level 2 or 3.

You could always try the 190( level 8) tune with juice on level 5 for a different result?

I have never stacked the Quad/Juice, but from everything I have read different trucks respond differently. So you might have to waste a few runs.

if you order an Extreme now you'll have it by the end of the pulling/racing season

Can't speak for others but I sent in my paperwork and called a few days later to confirm that all the required info was complete and my Extreme showed up in a very timely fashion. I'm very happy with the time it took to complete my order.

Just remember to have all your info complete and confirm with Vicki that all your paperwork is correct and you should be happy too.

My .02


Diesel Dragon:ro)

The new Quad 215 didn't have any rattle on my truck. Level 5 will probably burst. When stacking with the Edge, start at level 0 and increase the level with each run. Do this on the street before you get to the race track. Be prepared for bursting around level 2 or 3.


SO FAR SO GOOD WITH OUT A LIFT PUMP I CAN RUN ON LEVEL 5 AND 215 WITH NO BURSTING:ro)

So then a lift pump should get rid of all bursting issues when the two are stacked, right?

From What I Gather It Helps With The Issue But Isnt A Sure Fire Cure. :)

Is there a sure fire cure for bursting?

just got back from the track made about ten passes quad 215 all passes on level 4(edge) pretty consitant 13.3s depending on my 60 ft time which was in the 1.8s to 1.9s no rattle, for note the wind was blowing like crazy crosswind down the track flags were straight could only muster 99.xxxmph very impressed with the stack running 305 70 16 x-terrains on 16x8 wheels- 1 battery, no hitch ,full tank of fuel

Thanks for the info. Couldn't make Milan, my truck is back to stock as it awaits some upgrades.. but I hope to make it out there soon:driver:

just got back from the track made about ten passes quad 215 all passes on level 4(edge) pretty consitant 13.3s depending on my 60 ft time which was in the 1.8s to 1.9s no rattle, for note the wind was blowing like crazy crosswind down the track flags were straight could only muster 99.xxxmph very impressed with the stack running 305 70 16 x-terrains on 16x8 wheels- 1 battery, no hitch ,full tank of fuel
not to pick a fight. but our trucks are almost identical w/o n2o, running my x-terrains i ran a 13.02 in similiar crosswind conditions. could have easily broken into the 12's but i was just learning the lights and the track at that point. i figure our weight was very close, within 100lbs. just tryin to make a comparison not tryin to piss anyone off.

the extreme runs good i will not doubt that i seen carbon04 times too great runs fast dmaxs are sweet no matter what tuner is in them as long you are driving a dmax not a ford i do not care how you get there as long as you play it straight, the fighting amongst dieselplace members is getting out of hand so congrats on your times will have to meet on the pulling track, i need to play with other settings on the edge to see if it runs better my best times using the attitude performance tests were in level 5 with it wavering on bursting i was trying to get a base line with level 4 and experiment from there when i had some drivetrain breakage but thats another story and could make for a interesting thread for now though i am keeping it to myself

ryan, the trans does make a difference.

My best 1/4 mile time on diesel only @ 6500# is 12.49@106

didnt know what trans he had, that would be a good test also...run the same program and 2 almost identical trucks and look at the out come.


bigd- looks like u bout got it down what boost or rpm were u launching at? any trac problems? now get ya some n2o and drop 'er down on into the 12's...:ro)


i didnt get to pull this weekend...dang rain...but this weekend is lookin better anyhow:offtopic:

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ANYONE HERE EVER HEARD OF FOX NEWS??? FAIR AND BALANCED??????? THERE ISINT ONE MOD ON THIS SITE THAT DOESNT BASH QUAD EVERYTIME THEY GET A CHANCE. IT MAKES YOU WONDER IF THE NAME OF THE SITE SHOULDNT JUST BE "TTS BANDWAGON" ;)



BY ANY CHANCE DO CNN AND TTS HAVE ANY AFFILITATION??? ):h

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How fair and balanced do you want it nut? Same truck, same independent dyno, same day...Xtreme........Quad.......Quad/Edge.......Xtreme.


Then we have all the other tuners being sold after people buy an Xtreme.
That's enough evidence to convict O.J.):h

I certainly can't fault the Moderators for wanting to own the best.

You know, I just wanted to share with you guys my experiences, it's a shame that many are suspect of my intentions, as I go to great lengths to conduct objective tests.


Trippin,

There's a difference here. You paid for yours, and to the best of my knowledge, never got up and sang praises of the Quad in exchange for a special deal, ignoring quirks until the unit no longer suited you then started cutting it down...

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ANYONE HERE EVER HEARD OF FOX NEWS??? FAIR AND BALANCED??????? THERE ISINT ONE MOD ON THIS SITE THAT DOESNT BASH QUAD EVERYTIME THEY GET A CHANCE. IT MAKES YOU WONDER IF THE NAME OF THE SITE SHOULDNT JUST BE "TTS BANDWAGON" http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif



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Trippin,

There's a difference here. You paid for yours, and to the best of my knowledge, never got up and sang praises of the Quad in exchange for a special deal, ignoring quirks until the unit no longer suited you then started cutting it down...
What about ignoring quirks in a program and selling it to members without divulging prior to the sale that it won't shift properly. Or a secondary filtration system that traps air and does not allow for consistant starts

I would be careful sitting out here and making accusaions about any special deals.........as we all know vendors offer items at reduced costs or sometimes free in exchange for feedback. If you would like to discuss this further I would be more than happy to.

You make the call.

Oh a better deal.....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/funnypost.gif .........try a better product........one that actually does what it is supposed to do.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/exactly.gif

If the 215/OJ stack was better I would have kept it, it's not.........look at the dyno chart........215 vs the XTREME........no stacking..........

IMHO it's not better for drivability, and falls short on HP & TQ........the JK/VA 200++ I got from you is a POS, the first time I drove my truck it shifts like crap........still does. In fact it is such a worthless tune and everyone who has ran it on there truck has said it's a POS too.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rant.gif

Either fix the VA and upgrade everyone who has one or don't sit out here and accuse members of reporting quirks.........and BTW adding a TCM from a Allison 2000 series didn't do the job either..........it still sucks.

I bet you know the drill........I won't lower myself and sit out here and argue with you as you won't have much to say..........just send the cavalry like you always do. They know that all it takes is a zipped lip to keep the stuff coming........why is it a problem to report that a product being sold does not perform in comparison to another..........I guess we should only report the good and not the bad so we don't hurt sales...........

Thttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.gif NY

If Van Aaken chooses to tune that box they are welcome to do so, but it won't be at my request. It worked perfectly fine on my ATS transmission to which Eric can attest as he was in the truck when I did my first hellacious burnout after adding injectors...

As for 200 series TCM, I don't know exactly what you are refering to. I run a different TCM in my 2002 as does Brandon. This works well for us in that we like how it shift and how the TCC operates with it. It still doesn't get the shift done right with the Suncoast on my truck, but Brandon's works fine...

Your comment about only reporting the good stuff is exactly what was done when the "special arrangement" or trade was made with Quad, but apparently it only bought a year or so of silence...

If Van Aaken chooses to tune that box they are welcome to do so, but it won't be at my request. It worked perfectly fine on my ATS transmission to which Eric can attest as he was in the truck when I did my first hellacious burnout after adding injectors...

As for 200 series TCM, I don't know exactly what you are refering to. I run a different TCM in my 2002 as does Brandon. This works well for us in that we like how it shift and how the TCC operates with it. It still doesn't get the shift done right with the Suncoast on my truck, but Brandon's works fine...

Your comment about only reporting the good stuff is exactly what was done when the "special arrangement" or trade was made with Quad, but apparently it only bought a year or so of silence...
So where then is the disclaimer on you website that alerts your potential customers that if they have anything other than a ATS with a Co-Pilot then do not buy this because it won't work. Hope to see a disclaimer added today......

"BUY THIS VAN AAIKEN BOX AND ALL YOU NEED TO SPEND IS $995 FOR IT, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ATS TRANNY I'LL SELL YOU A TCM FOR ANOTHER $500."

As far as buying silence, you wrote the book on that......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif ....I posted about what the particular QUAD tune did, both on the dyno and at the track.......it was no secret that it had some surging at part throttle nor was it a secret that it did not work on some trucks as well as others. All anyone had to do was make it a point to read about it and make a decision about what they want or don't want. IIRC, I was asked to test it and I did, you have a hard time understanding that I guess......You must never send stuff out to anyone that has Kennedy plastered in there SIG or you must not give anyone a special deal either.............How many people have gotten Kennedy Diesel stuff to try ???? I know somebody right now with loaners..........

So then, How many people got stuck after buying or upgrading that VA..........did you offer Service After the SALE ??????? .......YUP, Buy an ATS and Co-Pilot or one of my TCM's, which I got to try BTW and it did not do a thing except excessively downshift. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

Sure, I'll have VAN AAIKEN upgrade mine, to a tune that actually works......

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Your up

For the record, Tony isn't a moderator and his views are his own and not the direct or indirect views of the staff.


Please keep that in mind,while he has gone of his Meds or part of them :D

Backing away slowly :eek:

I find the absolutely helarious that adults do this kind of picking back and forth.

BTW did you ever buy an icecream cone for a brother or sister in exchange for silence.
Tell me how that worked for you.
My experience has been when anyone asks more than about a month later they sing like a bird.

On the other hand if the thing you sell somebody is a piece and you know it to be inconsistent, then why bother until all is clear.

Thanks for the clarification though. I always figured the sig had some money behind the kennedy.

On edit: I think testing ought to be free. If it brakes your truck you pay. But no one should be paid to say something works if it doesn't. It happens all of the time and it is called false advertising.

:rant:

I think the Ole adage is if you've nothing good to say ,say nothing at all.

Shouldn't kick a gift horse ,or donkey for that matter, in the mouth.

Always a haunt if you do,so be prepared.Could get goofy

I have yet to get anything free except what were know as actual gifts ex: Christmas.

Otherwise you get what you pay for anymore. I have only had a few good ole boys ever make me a real deal. Most unfortunately I think they are a dieing breed, and prolly non-exhistant in my generation.

I have yet to get anything free except what were know as actual gifts ex: Christmas.

Otherwise you get what you pay for anymore. I have only had a few good ole boys ever make me a real deal. Most unfortunately I think they are a dieing breed, and prolly non-exhistant in my generation.


Hey like anyone if someone was giving and dealing and I wasn't asking ,why not?Who wouldn't?Problem is when word hits the street,and it does,you looked owned or perceived to be owned.Add this style forums and it's suicide by internet :D

I won't make that mistake...................again ;)

I won't make that mistake...................again ;)
Hmmm.....Let me write this one down..I may need it in a few years....http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif

lol @ partsguy662

waite maybe i ought to be doing the same thing. ):h ):h

allright i paid 750 for a quad that didn't work with the banks or edge, tried banks out with other versions of the quad it would fault out about half the time, so i bought the hot juice thats right i paid for it and the trippin mount nice unit j kennedy offered to let me use his quad not to keep it, now i know quad is what i will be running, the six gun is for sale as i posted before as a stand alone i think its better then the edge which i do not believe jives with his train of thought and would benifit him none, if the quad version i paid for would have worked i would still of had to buy the juice to stack it with, so john helped me out after i had problems buy lending me a quad thats why his name is in my sig, the same reason dmaxallitech is and superdiesel i use their products my truck runs good people like what they see they know where to go.

What is this confession? :D

10 for $699..........

10 for $699..........
The picture of the donkey is fitting.

10 tunes, top speed limit removal, transmission reset, axel gear correction, tire size correction, code reader, removable, resale, did I miss anything?

Where I come from the donkey is the true hardworker. All for 699.00 makes this tuner one cool donkey. :ro)

Nice A$$

saw a pic of quad once kinda favors the one I saw

The picture of the donkey is fitting.

10 tunes, top speed limit removal, transmission reset, axel gear correction, tire size correction, code reader, removable, resale, did I miss anything?

Where I come from the donkey is the true hardworker. All for 699.00 makes this tuner one cool donkey. :ro)


If not cool ,cheap ass is is cheap ass! :D

Nice A$$
We gotta talk.. dunno about you , but that was not the @ss... it was the face!

*SORRY* (NOT!)):h

If not cool ,cheap ass is is cheap ass! :D
And Behold!

The voice of experience talks!):h


LOL... thanks Mac, I needed the laugh today!:lol:

The picture of the donkey is fitting.

10 tunes, top speed limit removal, transmission reset, axel gear correction, tire size correction, code reader, removable, resale, did I miss anything?

Where I come from the donkey is the true hardworker. All for 699.00 makes this tuner one cool donkey. :ro)
just a regular ol beast of burden....huh

I have had great success with both the Quad and VA200+. I would expect the same from the Extreme. For the money we all spend we should expect nothing less. Seems like an upgrade from my old 1.20 version is in order.

revs per minute is upped as well! Not bustin` your hump, just pointing out that you was helpen` the extreme group out by trying to make theirs look better then it really is ;) :eek:
The picture of the donkey is fitting.

10 tunes, top speed limit removal, transmission reset, axel gear correction, tire size correction, code reader, removable, resale, did I miss anything?

Where I come from the donkey is the true hardworker. All for 699.00 makes this tuner one cool donkey. :ro)

revs per minute is upped as well! Not bustin` your hump, just pointing out that you was helpen` the extreme group out by trying to make theirs look better then it really is ;) :eek:
'extreme group" vs carrot zillas):h......................really the the ten for 699 is a bargin...........I wonder how the pricing affected the dealers slice........we all know how it affected those that paid full price for theirs.........even when I discounted mine it was still more than the new blue plate special . I know that mike and brandon have had great success with their quad/hj stack.........it was just noisey on my subpar 02......and quads bs on all his solutions was more than I could take.

:D OK DAVE NOW TELL US WHAT YOU REALLY THINK!! ):h

Nice reason for editing Sdaver. LOL

HDMAX thanks for pointing out I missed the increace in the factory rev limiter. That really comes in handy when in OD lockout. Truck pulls hills nicely at 3100 RPM +..
It also help at the top of a shift when in drive. Factory shifts can hit that cutoff and bounce a little if you listen closely.

Amric an upgrade is a must. 10 tunes,the new features plus for some reason this tuner just behaves better. Curious to see what you think with a built tranny and the big tunes on a daily basis. I have only used the 190 breifly, Ally was trembling in here knees.

Been driving my 215 for 2 days now, very nice power. Nice upgrade from the 165, more grunt down low, pulls harder midrange too. My 165 was a very strong performer, but I can feel the difference across the rpms. No rattle on the 215 either, I expected some. Also, some smoke, but not billowing clouds like I've seen from some, don't know if thats a good thing or bad.. My 165 would only give a light puff off idle on romps. Looks like I can't send out huuge smoke signals...

I'm assuming the 215 +N20 is fueled heavier, I'll find out when my kit is installed;)

Very satisfied..for now):h

Have you tried the 215 N20 tune with no N20 running? Supposedly it will roll the coal pretty good.

No, thats what I was wondering.. I'm not into the show, just the go, so I'll leave it off the heavy smoke setting till I get it some help..

I'm looking at get a Quad 215 and I was wanting to find out the good from the bad about it. Its what I was hoping from this thread but the bs was hard to cut though when the comparing started instead of it just being how the new program worked out.
What were you meaning by fishbiteing? I have seen many people talking about it and I am not sure I know what you are meaning by it. If you could PM me and let me know what you think of its driveability and reliability or post it in this thread and I will try to find it again.

I can answer the fishbite question. Fishbiteing was a term used to describe surging which occured in some of the first tuners for the duramax. If you could go back a couple of years you would find posts at the other chevy diesel site about Edge Juice modules suffering from fishbite. But that was a long time ago, long since fixed by Edge, I'm not aware of any current programmers that suffer from it. Quad's 215 used to have a lot of timing rattle, leading to the moniker "rattle can technology" which some have used to describe it, that is also in the past.

I'm looking at get a Quad 215 and I was wanting to find out the good from the bad about it. Its what I was hoping from this thread but the bs was hard to cut though when the comparing started instead of it just being how the new program worked out.
What were you meaning by fishbiteing? I have seen many people talking about it and I am not sure I know what you are meaning by it. If you could PM me and let me know what you think of its driveability and reliability or post it in this thread and I will try to find it again.
So where do u live in freddie ville?

I'm near palmyra.

Yea, as big as Fredricks is, I am sure he would be hard to find;) ;) He lives in the white house:D Most likely he works for KOKO:D

So where do u live in freddie ville?

I'm near palmyra.

I live right acrossed from wolf's diner off Main St. in an apartment. Yes I work for Kokosing. In the Truck Shop.

When removing the speed limiter, and raising the rev limiter just how fast will these trucks run?

When removing the speed limiter, and raising the rev limiter just how fast will these trucks run?
150mph +/- depending on tire size.

154mph @ 4500rpm w/stock gears & 30.5" Toyo Proxes (rated for 149mph)

Have any of you guys had the fuzz on your sack to get on a closed course to confirm that a dmax will run that? I know no one would speed here. I know one will do a buck and a quarter.

154 on paper is much easier than trying to push a big brick through the air.

Do get some safety equipment before attempting.:eek:
mommy wheres daddy?

I've only been 125-130 myself before letting off but the truck was still gaining speed. With enough HP we can push this brick to 154.

With enough HP we can push this brick to 154.

Well see mtomac at the salt flats next?:ro)

I've seen 115-120mph many times, and it was definatly still accelerating hard (when the fuel filters are clean). Way to scarry to stay in it. Seems like its ready to lift off, and mine is lowered.

Well I have put a few thousand miles on the version 4.02.

The old version use to throw an overboost code when towing, this one does not. So that problems is fixed.

The old version use to be a little touchy on cruise control, this one is not.

Those were my only 2 complaints. Now they are gone.

So this version 4.02 rocks. It is a very well rounded tuner. Once the intial install is performed it takes about 40 seconds to switch tunes. So basically I run around on 70 or 90 day in and day out and then kick it up a notch or two at the track.

This thing has so many power levels to choose from you are guaranteed to find a favorite.

All in all for the price, this tuner is the best hands down.

I agree, I like the smoothness of the new tunes. I just run the 215 all the time, it is so driveable. When I tow I drop it down to 70.

I agree! It is much improved. But then I had the very first release, so I knew there would be improvements. I kept my old one, and bought the V4.02 outright. I have been running around on the 165 for about 800 miles. And as long as I baby it in and near 5th gear, I don't have any problems ;) But 0-75 or so, this thing nearly flies :eek:

With a built tranny Bronco, how do you keep it on 90 or less? I don't have that kind of control. :( It is not for the faint of heart. :)