: GM Touchscreen Navigation Radio?
skidsteerloader 03-23-2005, 02:07 PM Does anybody know if this radio is touch screen. I am looking to put one in my 04. I have the bose system with onstar, will onstar still work? Someone told me the radio I am looking for was considered the BOSE luxury radio? but didnt know much else. Anyone got pics and prices? Any info is appreciated. Thanks.
dentman4054 03-23-2005, 04:16 PM Ith8ink they are OEM on cadillac escalades. I saw a DVD Nav screen in one a few months back. NIce!
ARICO100 03-23-2005, 07:46 PM Hi there,
check out http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com (http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/) and do a search on the nav unit and you will find a ton of support. they are great guys over there.
i bought a new unit from my gm dealer after getting the part numbers and put it right in my 05. there are 2 units the lux one and the non lux one. i love my unit.
skidsteerloader 03-24-2005, 01:53 AM ARICO - Did you buy the touchscreen nav unit from the dealer? if so how much? part#? was it an easy install and did you switch amps? I started reading on the avalanche site. Some of it sounds easy, and some make it seem complicated.
T-Rex 03-24-2005, 02:10 AM You can do the install without switching amps--that would be with the NON-Lux touchscreen navigation system. It is virtually the same. The Lux-TNR has more sound fields and better bass and overall sound thanks to the amp.
You have an LT so you probably have the in-dash, slot load CD changer. The navigation radio is a single CD player. You have a couple of options for CD changers: a slot load or a magazine load. This involves a bit more wiring and a little fab work if you install the slot load in the storage pocket like others are doing.
You can find this stuff on eBay. Or you can go with a kit like http://www.jpcustoms.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=16649&cat=359&page=1 You could save some money by gathering the parts yourself or buying off of eBay, but jpcustoms has good customer service and those are new parts. Also using a used nav unit you will have to get the dealer to unlock it for your truck...not so with new stuff.
Obviously going with the Lux unit is more expensive...add about $325 to the kit to install a Lux in the Non-Lux amp equipped pickup. I question going that route. If you are going to be a bear be a grizzly. It one were to really want to better the sound he could install an aftermarket amp and speakers with the Non-Lux nav unit and put that $325 or so towards the purchase of the aftermarket pieces. And then there are aftermarket nav units---the DVD based ones like the GM factory ones are faster.
ARICO100 03-24-2005, 06:51 AM T-REX HAS GOT IT RIGHT. I PAID AROUND 1400 FOR THE UNIT AND I MADE THE MISTAKE OF BUYING THE ANTENNA AND DISK FROM J.P. CUSTOMS FOR 400 SOMETHING. SHOULD OF GOT PART NUMBERS AND ORDERED WITH RADIO. WOULD OF BEEN CHEAPER. LIKE I SAID YOU JUST MINE WAS JUST PLUG AND PLAY.. CONTACT sperry ON THE AVALANCH SITE TO VERIFY YOUR QUESTIONS. DO A SEARCH ON UM8 AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT YOU NEED. UM8 IS THE OPTION CODE.
ARICO100 03-24-2005, 06:57 AM p.s. here is a link http://www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com/cafcna/index.php/topic,40387.580.html
Reineke 03-24-2005, 08:04 AM I believe that the NAV systme is optional equipment for the Denali, so as said above, should be easy install. I know they display the manufacturers emblem on the screen so you may have GMC in your Chevrolet. Could be easy as a software upgrade.
skidsteerloader 03-24-2005, 02:32 PM I know they display the manufacturers emblem on the screen so you may have GMC in your Chevrolet. Could be easy as a software upgrade.[/QUOTE]
A stereo guy was telling me that this unit will display the proper logo of the vehicle you install it in. can anyone confirm or deny? Also is GM part# 1529287 the proper head unit for the non lux system? To the best of my knowledge you CANNOT have rpo code Y91 or Y92 for #1529287 to work.
Thanks guys for all your help thus far. Anyone else with any more info feel free to chime in.
Once I am sure of all the part #s I need are correct, I'll be divin in.
Does anyone have the part# for the 6 disc slot cd changer??
TEXMudder 03-24-2005, 03:11 PM Will that unit allow you to have the Nav DVD in while also listening to a CD. From what I could tell you couldnt do this when we were looking at Tahoes.
skidsteerloader 03-24-2005, 06:49 PM Im not sure, but you would definitly have to add an auxillary disk player,as this unit only holds one disk. Does anyone know if you can watch DVDs through this unit???
T-Rex 03-25-2005, 01:25 AM No, you cannot watch DVDs through that unit. It will only read the nav discs. No problem to hook up a DVD player or factory DVD/RES to it.
skidsteerloader 03-25-2005, 01:48 AM I would LOVE to know ALL the part #s and PROCEDURES needed for this mod, posted here in an easy to follow format. I have been reading alot on the avalanche site,( 30 more pages to go ) and Sperry seems to be super knowledgable, but it would be nice to have all that info here in one spot. Anyone willing to write up some instructions with part #s?? Thanks.
T-Rex 03-25-2005, 02:37 AM Okay, if you want that (for yourself) you are going to need to tell us exactly what you have in mind:
How is your LT currently equipped...factory Bose, in-dash 6-disc changer, XM, OnStar, RSE/DVD...etc??? What do you have?
What do you want? Easy plug and play...straight over to factory touchscreen nav radio (TNR) and keep your non-Lux Bose amp? Convert to Lux amp and Lux TNR? CD changer...in dash 6-disc or remote magazine loader?
How much are you willing to spend and/or do you want used parts or new parts? Used parts will add the element of having to go to the dealer to unlock the radio AND if you use the Lux unit & amp you will have to get everything talking.
I'm getting ready to hit the road, but I'll see what I can come up with probably next week. In the meantime I would advise you to get involved over here: http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=28030&st=225 And keep digging. "Linda" has been getting some good ready-to-go Lux amps, FYI. I also encourage you to talk to Jason over at jpcustoms.com....just contact them via Customer Service and ask away and tell them what you're thinking of. They are good people over there...never seem to grow tired of answering questions.
T-Rex 03-25-2005, 02:50 AM Here's some stuff.....for going Lux:
Um8 NAV Head Unit----- #15204335,15204334--------------$1300
Nav Disk----------------- #15105609--------------------------$150
GPS ant------------------ #15207447,15135178--------------$75
Mic------------------------#25705367--------------------------$45
Amp--------------------- #15199992,15199884,15112662---$400
AUX harness------------#15312903---------------------------$25
AUX CD changer-------#15055250---------------------------$180
That is if you gather parts yourself. Kits are more expensive but come with instructions.
skidsteerloader 03-25-2005, 06:01 PM T REX Thanks for your info. I currently have the bose in dash factory head unit, with I guess what they call the dumb amp. I am looking to go plug and play. I do have onstar and wish to retain 6 disc capabilities so I guess I will require the in dash changer. I also have the rear radio controls (crew cab) and steering wheel controls. I do have after market DVD player with screens in my headrests. Can I get that to play through the NAV screen also?? if so HOW? Was also looking to install reverse camara and get that image on the NAV screen as well. Dont know if either or both could be added (can the signal be split with like a 5 way RCA adapter) 2 jacks for camera and I guess 3 for DVD? I also assume I will need to hook up that VSS wire as well. If youve got part #s to go plug and play that would be a great start. Sorry for the long post, but I believe I covered everything I am looking to do, and thanks for your help thus far.
Detonate 03-25-2005, 11:34 PM WOW! This sounds awesome!! To impatient to read the whole post but is this a plug and play upgrade?? I also have a 05' w/ BOSE , 6CD and XM. I just bought a Garmin GPS unit for road trips and would love to have the NAV built in as well as radio controls on a touch screen. My dealer forgot the XM so I installed it myself. Is this a similar install? Is it all OEM dealer parts?
Did I read that you loose the 6 cd changer?
Thansk for the leads!:ro)
skidsteerloader 03-26-2005, 02:18 AM Detonate - For your application it will probably be plug and play ( if you go the non lux route ) all components are factory. You do lose the 6 cd head unit, but can place a slave changer in the lower pocket console. Click on a link T REX provided in an earlier post, TONS of info on this subject over there. Just have to muster up the cash.
BlueOx03 03-26-2005, 03:01 AM Why not just get a Kenwood P-Nav 7015?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
For about the same price you get WAAAAY more and looks about the same?<o:p></o:p>
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I'd rather PLAY DVDs<o:p></o:p>
Not have to load discs in and out all the time.<o:p></o:p>
Play Mp3s<o:p></o:p>
Have a backup camera.<o:p></o:p>
Have a system that is upgradeable.<o:p></o:p>
Have a warranty<o:p></o:p>
Have WAY better sound than stock.<o:p></o:p>
Have a unit I have the option to put in another vehicle if need be.<o:p></o:p>
For what your stock six disc will cost you can get a music Keg and have 20GB of mp3s (that's 4000 songs)<o:p></o:p>
And the long list goes on...there really is no comparison.<o:p></o:p>
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Factory Navigation, like any other factory head unit is over priced crap.<o:p></o:p>
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It's your truck, waste your money if you want...<o:p></o:p>
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Detonate 03-26-2005, 07:46 AM Why not just get a Kenwood P-Nav 7015?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
For about the same price you get WAAAAY more and looks about the same?<o:p></o:p>
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I'd rather PLAY DVDs<o:p></o:p>
Not have to load discs in and out all the time.<o:p></o:p>
Play Mp3s<o:p></o:p>
Have a backup camera.<o:p></o:p>
Have a system that is upgradeable.<o:p></o:p>
Have a warranty<o:p></o:p>
Have WAY better sound than stock.<o:p></o:p>
Have a unit I have the option to put in another vehicle if need be.<o:p></o:p>
For what your stock six disc will cost you can get a music Keg and have 20GB of mp3s (that's 4000 songs)<o:p></o:p>
And the long list goes on...there really is no comparison.<o:p></o:p>
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Factory Navigation, like any other factory head unit is over priced crap.<o:p></o:p>
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It's your truck, waste your money if you want...<o:p></o:p>
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Good point! Never thought about any of this before until yesterday!:lol: Its always something on this forum! I think I'll investigate that route as well!!
Cougar281 03-26-2005, 09:07 AM Why not just get a Kenwood P-Nav 7015?<o:p></o:p>
For about the same price you get WAAAAY more and looks about the same?<o:p></o:p>
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If you where to gather the parts, the Kenwood is almost $1000 more...
I for one, would want to keep OnStar, the warning chimes, and most important, the steering wheel controls, so IMHO, geting factory is a no brainer unless you don't have the steering wheel controls.
Detonate 03-27-2005, 01:08 PM If you where to gather the parts, the Kenwood is almost $1000 more...
I for one, would want to keep OnStar, the warning chimes, and most important, the steering wheel controls, so IMHO, geting factory is a no brainer unless you don't have the steering wheel controls.
Good point...I would not want to loose the steering wheel controls or the OnStar. Looks like the factory route is the way to go. Tomorrow I'm going to see what kind of prices I can get on the parts..
skidsteerloader 03-27-2005, 02:05 PM There is TONS of info on this subject at www.gm-trucks.com (http://www.gm-trucks.com) I guess because there are more gassers, escalades, hummers, avalanches etc. who have already done this mod or who are also looking to do it, as opposed to our site being mostly just Diesels. I have been gathering lots of info between the two sites, and already know more than my dealer who told me it cant be done!! I guess he doesnt know about the non lux version which is pretty much plug and play on our Bose equipped trucks.
Detonate 03-27-2005, 06:10 PM What is the "non-lux" version??
skidsteerloader 03-28-2005, 12:08 AM The non lux version is more than likely the unit that most of us will need. The difference is in the bose amp. The Escalades and Denalis mostly come with the luxury bose sound, while our silverados and sierras come with premium bose sound. Therefor a lux nav head unit will not work with a non lux amp. If you purchase a lux head unit you will also have to purchase and rewire for a lux amp. But now that a non lux version is available, we can go pretty much plug and play. Keep in mind we lose the 6 cd head unit, so if you still want to retain 6 disc capability, you will need to purchase a GM in dash or remote mount changer, and the harness for it, which requires a little modification at the head unit end. Like I said earlier there is lots of info on this subject at gm-trucks.
But to make it a little easier for those of us who dont like to read much, I'll post some part #s here.
10377287 NON LUX tochscreen nav unit
15135178 GPS Antenna
15122617 GM in dash 6disc changer
15312903 changer harness
12344015 long harness 15ft? for remote mount changer
Not sure on part # for GM remote mount changer yet
10390370 NAV DVD disc
Also keep in mind that you will need a newer style changer because it will need to communicate with the head unit via the data bus wire.
Hope this helps a little, I HAVE NOT done this mod yet but will be doing it soon, just need to save a little more green. Good luck to those who do it, shouldnt be too bad from what Ive read so far. Also from what I understand the nav disc needs to be in at all times to navigate a route, but you can listen to a cd while running the nav disc if you wire in the changer. NO you cannot watch a dvd through the nav unit unless you pull it apart and wire in some PAC adapters and relays, starts getting complicated and EXPENSIVE. I myself want the NAV so I can watch my dvds through my aftermarket player AND want it to be a video screen for a backup cam. All of wich I'm told is possible just a little more complicated and $$$$$$$$$ !!
BlueOx03 03-28-2005, 12:45 AM If you where to gather the parts, the Kenwood is almost $1000 more... did you call for quotes on your cOnStar sat phone?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
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I for one, would want to keep OnStar, the warning chimes, and most important, the steering wheel controls, so IMHO, geting factory is a no brainer unless you don't have the steering wheel controls...yep "No brainer"...you're exactly the customer that the car dealers love. There’s no way for cOnStar, Pose audio, warning chimes or the steering wheel controls to work and it will ruin your transmission...and you can only take vacation at my ocean resort in Arizona.... get out from under the rock man!<o:p></o:p>
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Back here in reality is only a little more to get the Kenwood Unit and have it work with all the factory systems. It's funny to me that some people have such narrow minds and views... Many of you are penny pinchers, so here's some food for thought. You put a Kenwood unit in your truck and nine months down the road something happens to it...it's under warranty. You do the same with your OEM unit and the same thing happens, do you think your dealer will cover it? Sorry about your luck... this may not worry some people, but remember, the same place that builds these OEM navs are the same ones that make the OEM cd players that you see treads about failing. Let's say we want to add something down the road like more monitors, a back up camera, amps and so on. With an aftermarket unit, it’s easy because it’s made for it. To add that stuff to an OEM unit, you need adaptors and it tends to be a pain. If you like good sound quality you sound definitely go aftermarket, the biggest improvement to the Pose system is the Delco HU. Have any of you guys had a nav that you have to keep a disc in it to use it? I have, it sucks ass, and the OEM is like that too.<o:p></o:p>
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I’m just throwing this out here as an option that will yield more features and my save you money in the long run. If you think I’m full of it, look around here a few guys have this set up…tbyrne and crackerjack come to mind…<o:p></o:p>
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Cougar281 03-28-2005, 09:36 AM If you where to gather the parts, the Kenwood is almost $1000 more... did you call for quotes on your cOnStar sat phone?<o:p></o:p>
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I for one, would want to keep OnStar, the warning chimes, and most important, the steering wheel controls, so IMHO, geting factory is a no brainer unless you don't have the steering wheel controls...yep "No brainer"...you're exactly the customer that the car dealers love. There’s no way for cOnStar, Pose audio, warning chimes or the steering wheel controls to work and it will ruin your transmission...and you can only take vacation at my ocean resort in Arizona.... get out from under the rock man!<o:p></o:p>
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Back here in reality is only a little more to get the Kenwood Unit and have it work with all the factory systems. It's funny to me that some people have such narrow minds and views... Many of you are penny pinchers, so here's some food for thought. You put a Kenwood unit in your truck and nine months down the road something happens to it...it's under warranty. You do the same with your OEM unit and the same thing happens, do you think your dealer will cover it? Sorry about your luck... this may not worry some people, but remember, the same place that builds these OEM navs are the same ones that make the OEM cd players that you see treads about failing. Let's say we want to add something down the road like more monitors, a back up camera, amps and so on. With an aftermarket unit, it’s easy because it’s made for it. To add that stuff to an OEM unit, you need adaptors and it tends to be a pain. If you like good sound quality you sound definitely go aftermarket, the biggest improvement to the Pose system is the Delco HU. Have any of you guys had a nav that you have to keep a disc in it to use it? I have, it sucks ass, and the OEM is like that too.<o:p></o:p>
I’m just throwing this out here as an option that will yield more features and my save you money in the long run. If you think I’m full of it, look around here a few guys have this set up…tbyrne and crackerjack come to mind…<o:p></o:p>
To each his own…<o:p></o:p>
Ox I resent your attitude. Not everyone feels the way you do. You don't like Onstar, hearing WARNINGS or steering wheel controls, FINE, but I DO, and I'm sure there are others that do as well.. I know they make adapters to allow the chimes and Onstar to work with aftermarket head units. I think they require relocating the factory head unit to keep Onstar. But as I said, MOST IMPORTANTLY, the steering wheel controls, I have NEVER heard of ANY WAY to make them work with a non-factory head unit. I didn't pay for them to have them not work. WTF did your stupid line about the transmission come from? "Just the kind of customer the dealer likes"?? Yeah... Sure... You have no clue... I'm the type of "customer" that if it isn't covered under a warranty, I will not let anyone else fix it, I will do it myself (with one exception). F the stealers. Crawl out of your cave and see that not everyone sees things the way you do.
skidsteerloader 03-28-2005, 02:29 PM OX Are you a Kenwood dealer or something? This is just a post about GM factory navagation. You earlier post was fine in which you stated an opinion, your most recent post can be viewed as a little arrogant and insulting. As far as most of us being penny pinchers DOUBT IT! Most of us probably have spent at least 35K or better on our trucks. Some do like factory, some dont, so leave it at that. Like you said " To each his own "
BlueOx03 03-28-2005, 03:04 PM Hey I just put that out there as an option and cougie decided to attack it with lies. If you don't want to run aftermarket fine, that's no reason to make crap up to sway others, and yes kitty you can interface the steering wheel controls with a PAC SWI-X, PAC has only made steering wheel control interfaces for around eight years now so I can see how it inconceivable to you. If you don't think people here are penny pinchers, you're nuts dude....look in the classifieds, you just about have to give stuff away there. How many threads on here are on the track of buying or doing something cheaper?
Skidsteer, with all you want to do and the gear you already have, you'll save yourself a good bit of time money and aggravation going with and aftermarket unit vs. a factory one and have a lot better integration plus more features.
Can someone please tell me a benefit of OEM vs. aftermarket here?
Oilbrnr 03-28-2005, 03:28 PM Can someone please tell me a benefit of OEM vs. aftermarket here?
Nobody will want to steal it? :lol:
Cougar281 03-28-2005, 04:07 PM Hey I just put that out there as an option and cougie decided to attack it with lies. If you don't want to run aftermarket fine, that's no reason to make crap up to sway others, and yes kitty you can interface the steering wheel controls with a PAC SWI-X, PAC has only made steering wheel control interfaces for around eight years now so I can see how it inconceivable to you. If you don't think people here are penny pinchers, you're nuts dude....look in the classifieds, you just about have to give stuff away there. How many threads on here are on the track of buying or doing something cheaper?
Skidsteer, with all you want to do and the gear you already have, you'll save yourself a good bit of time money and aggravation going with and aftermarket unit vs. a factory one and have a lot better integration plus more features.
Can someone please tell me a benefit of OEM vs. aftermarket here?
If you where to gather the parts, the Kenwood is almost $1000 more...
I for one, would want to keep OnStar, the warning chimes, and most important, the steering wheel controls, so IMHO, geting factory is a no brainer unless you don't have the steering wheel controls.
How the HELL is this attacking with lies?????
The cost of gathering the required parts for the GM unit (instead of a kit) is around $1000 less than the Kenwood unit. IN MY OPINION using the factory unit is a better option for ease and compatability. As I said, I knew of kits to allow Onstar and the chimes, problem is, last time I investigated this for my mothers Olds, the kits required you to find a place to put the factory headunit to keep onstar. If what you say about being able to interface the factory steering wheel contols with an aftermarket headunit is true, then I stand corrected. IN MY OPINION (and my mothers opionion, and my sisters opinion), the Factory GM Bose system in my truck sounds a HELL OF A LOT better than the Kenwood (yes, Kenwood) headunit in my car with aftermarket (I believe also Kenwood) 2- and 3-way speakers. Hell, my sister was jealous of my Bose system and she has a Mach 1000 system in her Mach1 Mustang.
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skidsteerloader 03-28-2005, 08:28 PM Any one else care to keep :stirthepothe pot!!I'm pretty much done. My ??s have been answered, looked into both ends, got my part#s and know which route I'm going, so you guys can continue to go back and forth if you wish. I've got some mods to do!!
Detonate 03-28-2005, 08:46 PM WOW! This thread got outta' control!
I guess this is the problem with forums!! LOL!!!!
Me personally will spend however much I need to, to get what I want....within reason! This means justifying the options. I'm all about bells and whistles! I see both sides as there is something to be said about factory upgrades. My XM install was one of those clean installs. This conversion my require a bit more research to convince me that it's totally worth either. I just bought a Garmin GPS unit that is portable that takes care of the nav issue and the stock BOSE system sounds pretty decent........for now. I'll wait for this to blow over and see what drops out! In the meantime I'll dump some $$ into performance stuff!
Prophet 03-29-2005, 12:25 AM Okay, suppose you already had an '05 Yukon Denali XL and it came with the Luxury TNR, XM, Onstar, etc. Would you still feel compelled to replace the factory luxury setup with an aftermarket NAV/Audio setup? I guess I want to know if the factory system has enough merit to keep it if it's already there.
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BlueOx03 03-29-2005, 12:30 AM I took a fully loaded Avalanche out for and afternoon a while back and played with the Nav a bit. If I get one that has the Nav, I'll eBay it and upgrade it. I guess I'm just not easily impressed....
flduramax 03-29-2005, 06:33 PM I have the Kenwood unit in my truck and the streering wheel controls, Onstar and chimes all still work. It was a project to set up, I however did not want XM i wanted Sirius. Also The Factory NAV unit was not avaible when I bought my unit. Not sure which I would put in my new truck.
flivver 03-30-2005, 11:14 AM Can someone please tell me a benefit of OEM vs. aftermarket here?
Nobody will want to steal it? :lol:Now that's funny!
T-Rex 03-31-2005, 08:04 AM skidsteerloader,
...glad to see you've got it worked out.
I just got back from a little 800 mile excursion...took the wife's 05 Grand Cherokee out on the road to see how it would do. She has the navigation system. Now we both think we will never buy a vehicle without one.
The aftermarket units are nice and can be made to work with OnStar and steering wheel controls, but I'm sure you will be pleased with the OEM unit. I would not sweat what some of the audiophiles say...it's subjective.
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