I am new to the diesel market and trying to decide on a Ford or Dodge one ton Dually...I will be using the truck to pull horses....this is the same question I posted on the Dodge board - Thank you.

Obviously, you're not going to get strong recommendation toward either of those makes on a GM board.

But Cummins makes a great engine. You just have to deal with a dodge truck. Dodge auto trannys have been an issue for many years so go with manual.

Ford has had truble with their 6.0L powerstroke. Those issues may be fairly worked out now.

I pull our horses with my Chevy/Duramax and love it. I consider it more reliable than the other two. I don't know if you've been on the side of the road with horses in the trailer but that is a recipe for bigger issues quick. In all honesty, all three trucks have their issues. With a chevy, you add a fingersticks ($20 or so) to fix the EGR, regularly replace the fuel filter and you're in pretty good shape. I'll take that over a transmission in either of the other two (big $$$) or problems in the powerstroke.

Thank you for the information.

I am not necessarily looking for a recommendation, I just thought that this would be a good place to get an "unbiased" opinion of what the different problems are with each truck. I was unaware of the issues with the Ford PSD 6.0.....

Go find the ford forum and you should be able to find documentation on the 6.0L issues. They had a bunch of issues with injectors and some with the ECU. Also, the throttle, as mentioned in response to your other post.

Why are you not considering the GM? Or is it a game of post about the other two makes on the third's forum?

I have driven GM my entire life...last pick up was 2500HD 4X4 with 6.0L gas. Loved it. My only problem is the price differnce....GM is $10-$12K more than either the dodge or ford.

Well, I'll tell you straight up that I've always had Fords and liked the Ford F250 diesel better than the GMC....The GMC 2500 HD did come in a close 2nd though.

However, I've been waiying since 2003 for Ford to get their act together on the 6.0 and it hasn't happened yet. I thought this was going to be the year and they already had a recall on the 2005 transmissions. Go check out www.dieselstop.com and read about all the woes those guys are having....

I can't speak for Texas but out here in SoCal, the FORD and GMC's are priced pretty much the same. The **sticker** is 46-48K for either truck....fully loaded. What you can actually get it for is another factor altogether.

My brother is a Ford mechanic....I just bought a 6.0 and love it. According to him the reason people have a problem with the Ford Diesel is because they let it sit too long. The 6.0 is made to work and if your not running it several times a week you will have problems with it. If you go work it to death you won't have much trouble at all.

My brother is a Ford mechanic....I just bought a 6.0 and love it. According to him the reason people have a problem with the Ford Diesel is because they let it sit too long. The 6.0 is made to work and if your not running it several times a week you will have problems with it. If you go work it to death you won't have much trouble at all.
Should a Ford guy sell his truck if going on a 2 week vacation? Not to be a smart ass but that has to be the dumbest thing I have read about why they have problems.

An unbias opinion.

The Cummins is a great motor but produces it peak power at 1600RPM. But that's at 55-60 mph. The PSD produces it power at 2300RPM that is at 70-75mph. So the better highway puller is the PSD. But the better around the ranch puller is the Dodge. I have a 6.0 PSD and love it. But you can't go wrong with any diesel.
Each are great and each have problems, but its all personal preference.

Should a Ford guy sell his truck if going on a 2 week vacation? Not to be a smart ass but that has to be the dumbest thing I have read about why they have problems.
It has something to do with the oxygen build up in the diesel fuel. Algae can start growing in the fuel and thus causes the problems that many are having. Drive it regular.....Keep the diesel fuel fresh......fill up at truck stops and not a small mom and pop gas station where the fuel has sat a long time. This is according to a Ford Diesel mechanic.....Not Me. Seems to make sense to me.

It has something to do with the oxygen build up in the diesel fuel. Algae can start growing in the fuel and thus causes the problems that many are having. Drive it regular.....Keep the diesel fuel fresh......fill up at truck stops and not a small mom and pop gas station where the fuel has sat a long time. This is according to a Ford Diesel mechanic.....Not Me. Seems to make sense to me.
If this is true, then all diesels that sit would have these problems. Now there is good information in there about buying diesel from stations that go through a lot and have fresh fuel regularly. Any diesel will have problems with algae.

My opinion on the 6.0. Our '04 is OK, not great, but OK. Our '05 is fine plowing snow, but as soon as we hooked a trailer to it and started pulling our Bobcat around, it is gutless until the turbo kicks in, which takes way too long. It's not lag either, there is something else, but of course the dealer says it's all within specs. Not to mention the Torqshift issues, which we have had on both trucks.

Personally, I am looking at a Dodge for my next truck. Yes, there are issues with the tranny's, but look at all the rebuilders out there for those tranny's. You can get a bulletproof one and not have to worry about the warranty. With the RPM's, I would rather have the torque at lower RPM's, because you can get there a lot quicker and burn less fuel. Inline engines are inherently more fuel efficient than V's.

JMO

Algae? How does that explain ECM, Throttle and transmission problems?

Algae? How does that explain ECM, Throttle and transmission problems?
:exactly: Why confuse the issue with facts? lol

Well if your picken between those two - Cummins.

My brother is a Ford mechanic....I just bought a 6.0 and love it. According to him the reason people have a problem with the Ford Diesel is because they let it sit too long. The 6.0 is made to work and if your not running it several times a week you will have problems with it. If you go work it to death you won't have much trouble at all.
You can't run them several times a week when they are sitting in the lot waiting to be fixed!! FORD-:t

I am a ford guy and have years of driving experience behind the wheel of a Ford Diesel. A 1992 F350(non-turbo), A 1996 F350, and a 2002 F350 flatbed. All no problems and still running. The only thing with the '92, we had to get the clutch replaced and a new pump put on, but it has over 260,000 miles on it and it is used 2 to 3 times/week hauling hogs still and still hauls big squares off the field and to the customers lot-most abused truck in my book and still running strong.

I have the Duramax.
I am not brand loyal.

I'd go with the Cummins and run from the Ford. That's too bad because I think Ford makes a good looking truck with a nice spacious interior, but they have simply had too many problems with them. I'd probably get the 6-speed Cummins if I were in your shoes....if the Duramax is not an option. I'd still consider the Cummins even if the Duramax were an option. I'd have to really think it over if it were say a regular cab truck, 2wd, dually. Crew cab dually would have to be the GM product in this case. Regular cab, 4wd...might have to go with the Dodge because of the solid axle.

Between the Ford and the Dodge, I think the Dodge will treat you right.

I simply cannot buy that about fuel problems are the Ford's problems. Someone is confused or misinformed. I am absolutely sure that is false. I'd have to highjack this thread to explain. Do some digging and you will see...

Im still waiting to have all these problems I hear about the 6L. Ill let you know when I do. 27K so far, so good. As far as the letting them sit deal mentioned above, I would say thats at idle. If you let it idle day in and day out it will cause the EGR to gum up and stick. This will cause a rough idle concern. Someone needs to come up with a fingerstick for the 6L. hint hint ........

Someone needs to come up with a fingerstick for the 6L. hint hint ........

:exactly:

Not all personal experience, but not a "friends uncle's, brother's cousin's experience" either. I have four good friends that have dealt with with Ford buybacks. One was actually begged by the regional manager to stay in a Ford by naming his own deal. He actually got a new truck, and a 7yr/70k 'bumper to bumper' warranty with no deductible. Another works for them so he was an easy sale. Anyway, one was a '96, the other an '02 and the last 2 were '05's. I am now biased because of a garbage Explorer, but those levels of lemons speak for themselves. Especially this soon into a model year on the 'New' 6.0.If your are not considering a Duramax, then the Cummins would have to be the one. It's just too bad the truck can't usually stay together to keep up.

what are all the problems with a dodge 48re? I have one no problems here i see alot of problems with the GM and the ford tranny. I just do not read that many problems about the dodge 48re
IMO

The dodge 48re cant handle heavy hauling and tend to slip, thats why most of the time people prefer the manual. I had my time behind a Dodge and know the pros and cons of them, ford and gm as well.

I know it defeats the purpose of the warranty, but there are a bunch of rebuilders for the Dodge tranny's. They can build it so it won't have all the problems that the stock tranny's have. That is what I will do when I buy a Dodge, which is because of the problems we have had with our Fords.

Don't take this the wrong way ,but ALL the dodge trucks that I have owned or have known people own have all had at least 1 tranny by 70,000 miles. That is a total of 8 dodge trucks. Including 3 1500s, 2 2500s, and 3 3500s, and a minivan 2004 with 36432 miles on it tranny slipping in every gear skipping 3rd. 3 of the 8 above had a second replaced before 70,000. You can belive me or not but everyone I know and my self have not had any success with the dodge auto in any shape or form.

My Grandfather has a Dodge Ram. Never had a wrench on it. Its a 1985 150 prospector. It has about 40K on it but it looks like it might have about 400K. And if I was a betting man I would say that 25K - 30K miles was in the pasture.

Go with the Dodge Ram!

Don't take this the wrong way ,but ALL the dodge trucks that I have owned or have known people own have all had at least 1 tranny by 70,000 miles. That is a total of 8 dodge trucks. Including 3 1500s, 2 2500s, and 3 3500s, and a minivan 2004 with 36432 miles on it tranny slipping in every gear skipping 3rd. 3 of the 8 above had a second replaced before 70,000. You can belive me or not but everyone I know and my self have not had any success with the dodge auto in any shape or form.
I'd be happy with 70K. Beats the heck out of 500 or 15K with 2 different Torqshifts.

I hear ya, my Fords first trans was replaced at 9k w/o any towing. It was never right after that and I dumped it at 45k.

IMO. When it comes to diesels. They are all good, it just depends on what style of truck you like. I test drove all three brands in sticks and autos. (BTW the only duramax i could find with a stick was a 2 wheel drive dually. It was hard to find one) I hated the autos in all three. I just like a stick in a diesel. THe dodge by far had the most low end, but once it is moving its so slow. The stroker and durmax were about even, the duramax i believe had little more low end than the ford but it had 4:10's in the rear compared to the 3:73's the ford had. They are all good. They all have there probs. Everyone that thinks the 6.0 L is nothing but probs, appartlenty doesn't own one. I've had nothin hardcore wrong with mine, just a few piddly things. :ro)

Can you get a dmax with 4:10s?

No 4.10's in the d-max!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am new to the diesel market and trying to decide on a Ford or Dodge one ton Dually...I will be using the truck to pull horses....this is the same question I posted on the Dodge board - Thank you.
hello I just ordered a new 2006 ford 1 ton dually and yes the ejector problems are not longer a issue. I drove both and love the ride and feel of the ford. I quess its up to the indidvidual but I have talked to both sides and its a coin toss beteween ford and GMC, Dodge I ruled out before. good luck

I think that the Cummins is a very good motor but after having a Dodge truck I will never buy another one. It was a very nice truck to start with but after a while it started to nickle and dime me to death. Another thing that I didn't like was that after about sixty thousand miles the interior started to rattle (plastic liners and dash ect.). My brother in law works as a diesel tech at a large commercial Ford dealer and he told me that most of the initial issues have been worked out now. I was thinking about buying a 2004 for my new work truck but after talking with him about the early 04's and the problems I decided to go with a nice 2002 with the 7.3 (a new one wasn't an option for me because of the added cost). If cost weren't any issue I would go with a NEW Ford. I also agree that the Chevy's and GMC's are at least six grand more around here than a comparable Ford and like eight grand more than the Dodge.

what are all the problems with a dodge 48re? I have one no problems here i see alot of problems with the GM and the ford tranny. I just do not read that many problems about the dodge 48re
IMO
what is the GM problem with the allison. to my knowledge the biggest problem is people with chips. not that anyone would chip a duramax. ):h ):h

but other than the neutral reverse switch causing problems i have only heard of a few trannies frying the C1's.

dancash : ford :badidea: i really mean this good luck. :(

dancash good luck with the 06. Not that you will need it. I love my 05 and wouldn't trade it for the world.

Ford makes one heck off a truck. Get the Ford. You wont go wrong. Fords the only real work truck on the market. The Dodge the body will fall apart around the cummins and the GMs are just a car disguised as a truck. Good Luck

Duramaximizer I was on here looking for ally problems and found a few here Allison Tranny Problem Survey ( 1 2 3 ... Last Page )
shuffman

Ford makes one heck off a truck. Get the Ford. You wont go wrong. Fords the only real work truck on the market. The Dodge the body will fall apart around the cummins and the GMs are just a car disguised as a truck. Good Luck
In my opinion, the chevy is not a work truck. The d-max is an awesome engine, but the IFS is trash. It is great for highway use because of its car-like ride. The cummins is an unbeatable engine, but you have to go with a manual. The old man just bought an 04 f250 king ranch with the 6.0. I personally have driven coast to coast through both our coutry's beautiful mountain ranges and loved it the whole way and got between 18-20mpg at 70-75mph. Love the solid fronts on dodge and ford. The dodge has the better one being the D60 vs. the dana 50 on the ford. Depending on your use and where you are, all 3 are great engines, just choose the chariot based on preference. Best crew cab is ford, but dodge is supposed to be coming out with a huge cab soon! Can't wait to see that.

ya allys have problems on here, but on the dodge site the tranny is sapose to go out at 70-80k if it doesn't it is a fluke. most of the ally problems were switchs not so much the tranny itself.

don't call the IFS trash because our front suspension doesn't sag as bad after 100k as a fords leaf springs that almost 100% of them turn over and bow the opposite way. is that what you really call suspension?

Ford makes one heck off a truck. Get the Ford. You wont go wrong. Fords the only real work truck on the market. The Dodge the body will fall apart around the cummins and the GMs are just a car disguised as a truck. Good Luck

"GMs are just a car disguised as a truck??"

:funnypost :funnypost :funnypost

My "CAR" will pull 15,800 Lbs and you can drop 6000 lbs. in the ?"trunk"? You Ford guys crack me up! :cookoo: :rotflmao: :laugh_exp

hi dkubek, just so you know for 2005 ford now has the dana 60 up front, however dodge now going with american axle instead of dana,must be a money issue.have a good day.

hi dkubek, just so you know for 2005 ford now has the dana 60 up front, however dodge now going with american axle instead of dana,must be a money issue.have a good day.
I knew they went to coils in the front, but I didn't know they went to the dana 60. Thanks

duramaxmizer you keep talking about the tranny going out and what junk it is.So show me all the posts where the 48re tranny has failed on a stock truck.I guess you think the third gen cummins is way louder then your duramax too.

no i know the 3rd generation cummins is quiter than the current lly duramax, i know that and don't deny it. really now that you can hear yourself think in the cab, i really don't care.


http://www.portjeff.net/df5152/48%20RE%20DESIGNED%20TO%20FAIL.htm

tell me why if it is so great, then why are all pulling OTR dodges manuals.

idk anyone that has a auto in there dodge that has not had trouble. this is everyone in my local towns. there has to be a whole 3 autos and all have had problems that have hit 70k miles. these are all the older dodges.

all the new ones are sticks.

since 200X whatever year they came out, how many have put on 70k? prolly very few if any.

you have the harder thing to prove.





on edit: not that any dodge guys care, but in 06 the rumor has it, that it is going to be a 6 speed auto....... vs. a dodge with a 4 speed, maybe a 5 if you are lucky.

have a nice day.

The dodge is rumored to have a six speed auto also......

any proof on that??????

no i know the 3rd generation cummins is quiter than the current lly duramax, i know that and don't deny it. really now that you can hear yourself think in the cab, i really don't care.


http://www.portjeff.net/df5152/48%20RE%20DESIGNED%20TO%20FAIL.htm

tell me why if it is so great, then why are all pulling OTR dodges manuals.

idk anyone that has a auto in there dodge that has not had trouble. this is everyone in my local towns. there has to be a whole 3 autos and all have had problems that have hit 70k miles. these are all the older dodges.

all the new ones are sticks.

since 200X whatever year they came out, how many have put on 70k? prolly very few if any.

you have the harder thing to prove.





on edit: not that any dodge guys care, but in 06 the rumor has it, that it is going to be a 6 speed auto....... vs. a dodge with a 4 speed, maybe a 5 if you are lucky.

have a nice day.
If I bought a Chevy I would get the Auto because I wouldn't buy a Chevy for a work truck anyway! Autos are for cars. Manuals are for trucks!

If I bought a Chevy I would get the Auto because I wouldn't buy a Chevy for a work truck anyway! Autos are for cars. Manuals are for trucks!
Apparently you've never plowed snow. You'd change your mind in a hurry.

Amazing what Allison will put automatics in nowadays, fire trucks, garbage trucks, redi-mix trucks. I guess those aren't trucks?

I have driven GM my entire life...last pick up was 2500HD 4X4 with 6.0L gas. Loved it. My only problem is the price differnce....GM is $10-$12K more than either the dodge or ford.

Where are you getting this price difference? I actually found my truck to be cheaper than an equivalent ford, once all the factors were considered.

Where are you getting this price difference? I actually found my truck to be cheaper than an equivalent ford, once all the factors were considered.
I agree, I am baffled at the claim of higher GM prices for HD's especially with diesels. Ford has been so far behind in content for many years, and if comparing the SD's, in most cases I have found the Fords to be more expensive just because of the content they do not offer - eg. memory driver seat, power passenger seat, rear defrost, heated mirrors, auto climate, way more advanced suspension, and the list goes on.

Now its been a while since I've priced a one (for personal quality experience reasons), so some of these items may be available now, but my camping buddy who works for them is always complaining about the lack of features.

BTW, this same buddy had to have his last truck bought back - One of four people I personally know on that list

I have owned GM all my life since the early 70's.......go with the Ford as I did. If GM ditches the IFS and gets back to building a truck I might consider GM again.....IFS free and loving it..:ro)

I went to a local Chevy dealership to investigate the d-max. When I explained that I was looking at all three diesels, the sales manager told me that chevy could not compete on price, that they would be $10-12K higher.

I realize chevy has more "options" on the inside, that is why I have always owned GM up until now. This next truck needs to be a work truck, luxury is not an option.

I appreciate all the information you have all provided!!:)

I can honestly say that I've never seen a new dodge with a price tag higher than a ford or a chevy. Most the people I know picked up fully loaded dodge with 48re for 33,000 to 35,000. I haven't seen very many gm, or fords with that many options for that price. I seriously think all three rigs are awesome, I have seen all in action, all doing the same thing, and all perform excellent. Just for the record though, the new gm HD's are tough as nails, and yes, the IFS is NO exception. They are much stronger than the previous gm IFS. We have a duramax that is used for logging, farming, and spends most of it's time off road..for 160,000 miles now. The only thing we break is the sub-frame the tough country lift came with. We've gone through two subframes (cracked welds and stress fractures), and haven't done anything to the OEM front components. From the factory GM sits much lower than dodge or ford, but I can honestly say you can bounce them off rocks all day long with no troubles. In fact, the loca Fish and Wildlife is switching all their fleet trucks to gm HD's for this reason, they claim the 2500HD have been flawless. All the trucks are tough though, any body thats used them hard will realize this and tell you the same thing. It all depends on what grill ya like.:) Good luck with the search, I'm sure you'll love whatever brand you choose!!!!!!

I'll sell ya my '05 3500QC LB Laramie!!! Only 6500 miles. I'm going back to a Ford.Never
should have gotten rid of my '04 6.0 PSD

I'll sell you my '05 Dodge!!! If you are in the market it has 6500 miles on it.:D If this is true, then all diesels that sit would have these problems. Now there is good information in there about buying diesel from stations that go through a lot and have fresh fuel regularly. Any diesel will have problems with algae.

My opinion on the 6.0. Our '04 is OK, not great, but OK. Our '05 is fine plowing snow, but as soon as we hooked a trailer to it and started pulling our Bobcat around, it is gutless until the turbo kicks in, which takes way too long. It's not lag either, there is something else, but of course the dealer says it's all within specs. Not to mention the Torqshift issues, which we have had on both trucks.

Personally, I am looking at a Dodge for my next truck. Yes, there are issues with the tranny's, but look at all the rebuilders out there for those tranny's. You can get a bulletproof one and not have to worry about the warranty. With the RPM's, I would rather have the torque at lower RPM's, because you can get there a lot quicker and burn less fuel. Inline engines are inherently more fuel efficient than V's.

JMO

Well my dog is bigger than your dog! lol. My son says he'd "rather be a cummins than a strokin", but for myself, I "Got a Mechanic Comin' " so I'll shuv it and luv it. GM all the way.

go with the Ford, you will love it!
i have a 2005 F250 CC 4x4 with the 6.0. it is by far the best truck i have ever owned and i have not had one issue with it whatsoever, engine or tranny.
the majority of problems ppl are complaining about are problems that are are a direct result of modding/chipping their 6.0's
thats why when you chip a 6.0 or mod it, it voids your factory warrentie. (people seem to forget this)
leave it stock and it will last you along time!

shawnran, sorry, I decided to stick with Fords. Have a nice 350 CC coming for me personally. I still want to keep everything as similar as possible and I like the options that Ford has compared to Dodge. I was going to order an '06 thinking they should have most\all the bugs worked out by then and then they came along with the employee discount. Couldn't turn that down.

snoeproe, that's a pretty strong blanket statement that I disagree with. The thousands of snowplowers that lost their trannys this past winter were a result of modding? The latest recall for wiring harness and CAC tube are because of modding? The constant reflashes are FOrd trying to make everybodies chips work? That's BS and you should know it. Yes some problems are a result of the mods, but I sure wouldn't say most.

GOOD CALL!!! I got rid of my Dodge for a new D-Max. So far so good.
I have always been true blue Ford until they started buying them back
at a rapid rate. I guess it's the luck of the draw! What did you end up
paying with the discount? Just curious. I just got my new GMC dually
4x4 SLT for $39,950. The Ford was $43,125 for the Lariat Dually.

I don't have the truck yet. I really want the KR with the bench seat, more practical for me. The dealer that has the one with the bench seat doesn't want to trade, so I looked at the one that is almost an exact twin except has the quad captains chairs. It is very nice, but I told him to try a little harder and if he can't get it I'll think about it. I'll let you know when I actually get it.

As everyone has said the Cummins is fine its what surrounds it that is the problem. I bought my 02 Chevy with 74000 miles on it in dec. and love it. Been on 3 loooooooooooooooooooong trips since ive had it. No problems with back etc. My dad just bought an 05 Dodge Quad Cab. went on a 3 hour trip and within 1.5 hours i couldnt feel my legs. The seats seem to be shorter or something. Other than that its great. If you want my opinion if comfort isnt a problem go with the Dodge. I do have to say though that i know of a few, my friends, that have replaced trannies in their Dodges early as some of the other guys have said. That goes for diesels and gassers.

snoeproe, that's a pretty strong blanket statement that I disagree with. The thousands of snowplowers that lost their trannys this past winter were a result of modding? The latest recall for wiring harness and CAC tube are because of modding? The constant reflashes are FOrd trying to make everybodies chips work? That's BS and you should know it. Yes some problems are a result of the mods, but I sure wouldn't say most.

hmm, well.
can you honestly say to me that you know "thousands" of snowplowers that lost their tranny's? lol, now thats funny. i have to call BS on that one there.
yes, the recall stuff is not a result of modding but atleast Ford is comming clean for the stuff ahead of time.
the early release 6.0 did have it's issues which have been resolved for the most part. but the later ones have been no worse for ware than a GM or Dodge.
like i said before, not one issue for me yet, motor or tranny. from what i have been reading online, ALOT of guys who mod are running into problems. i just cant understand why someone would want void a factory warrentie on a very expensive truck.

You are correct, I do not know thousands personally. If you would like I can take a couple days and get them. Call it what you want, but you can't deny facts.

Are you denying that there were thousands that lost their planetary's and\or snap ring? At one time our dealer had 12 in for this. This is just a random sampling, at one dealer and there are half a dozen dealers in GR. Then if you would like, we can count our '04 as 2 problems, because they didn't change the snap ring when they fixed the planetary's. This was also in January after many had been repaired at least once. The dealers were putting in stock tranny's that they knew would go again just to get plow contractors back on the road so they could make money to pay for the trucks that broke down.

This coming clean talk is garbage. Coming clean would have been after '03s problems admitting they have major problems and are either going to stop production until they have them worked out or put the 7.3 back in. Why are so many responses from dealers: If it doesn't throw a code, we can't\won't fix it, or, That's within factory specs, or one of the other lame excuses that they try to buy time with.

Why can't some of you admit that Ford screwed up by modding this engine in the first place, by running it way above the rated RPM's so they could compete with HP numbers. The stock 6.0 has more torque with less HP at lower RPM's and less problems than what they are selling in the SD's?

Why they got rid of the big displacement 7.3 is beyond me. It was and still is way better than the 6.0

Why they got rid of the big displacement 7.3 is beyond me. It was and still is way better than the 6.0

They got rid of the 7.3 for the same reason Detroit Diesel quit making 2 strokes. SMOG laws.

Back to price difference,I don't know any GM dealer that is $15k higher than Furd.:confused: Furd is just as high if not higher around here.Dodge is the cheapest but we also have 1 of the the largest 2 if not the largest Dodge dealers in the US here. My neighbor bought one from them in December.A new 05' 3500 CTD 4x4 Quad Cab dually loaded and lots of chrome for between $25k-$28k. I'd go GM like I always do.They aren't much higher.

25,000 is one hell of a good price.Whats the dealers name ill go buy 2 for that price.

25,000 is one hell of a good price.Whats the dealers name ill go buy 2 for that price.

NO KIDDIN' Bubba! I haven't seen them prices in nearly 15 years. I'll buy their entire stock and make a killing back here in Michigan.

It may have just been a year end competition deal but it's Woodhouse Chrysler/Ford.It's in Blair,NE.They don't make very good deals on Furd though.I think it's Woodhouse.com but not sure.

GM and DODGE, dont buy the powerjoke! :nutkick:

I have owned a 7.3 Powerstroke for 5 years as my personal vehicle, and driven a '98 Cummins since new for work. Both are good strong runners, although I prefer the smoothness of the V8 Powerstroke to the straight 6 Cummins. I have heard stories of problems with the newer 6.0 Powerstroke, it'll probably take them a couple years to get the bugs out. My personal rule of thumb is to avoid new designs for 2 or 3 years and let other people find out what the headaches are.

That being said, I would seriously consider the GMC Duramax - incredible power, better fuel economy than either Ford or Dodge, and almost as smooth and quiet as a gasser.

A coworker just bought an 05 F350 and the turbo went out immediately. They fixed it in one day, and the mechanic told him that trucks from the factory have lots of turbo problems, but onnce its replaced at the dealership he never touches them again.

Sounds like, as someone mentioned earlier, that Ford turbos do not like to be laid up.

My friend has an 04 ford 350 dually. 20some thousand miles and loves it. Not one bit of trouble. Took me for a ride in it one day and they make some good power(Sounded cool as hell too) all stock right know but im sure there will be somthin done to it. it wont take the cummins in a straight line unloaded but put a load on um and the ford will out pull the dodge. I think the extra rpms the ford has to work with has somethin to do with it.

As far as the tranny goes the torqshift the allison and the 48re are all designed to take specific horsepower and torque numbers(not much above stock) and as soon as any mods are done you usually need to upgrade the tranny. It would be cool if they could handle 1100 lb.ft stock but its all about cost. I personally like the 48re pull a 10,000 lb. 5th wheel and haven't had one bit of trouble with it.

Both are real good trucks would be probably be happy with either one.

incredible power, better fuel economy than either Ford or Dodge, and almost as smooth and quiet as a gasser.


I own a Duramax now and I've never heard of them equaling Cummins mileage! I had a '01 Cummins and got 21 MPG regularly with it! If I get 18 with my Duramax I'm happy! The Chevy has more of what I wanted, but mileage is not one of them! Frankly I'd love a Chevy with a 5.0 Cummins with a little less power and 27 to 30 MPG! All of them have more power than most people "really" need. How about a 5.0 and a 6.5 Cummins! Please everybody!

I seriously wish that the pickup truck market was like the big rig market. You choose the truck you want , then you get to choose from a huge variety of engines, transmissions, suspensions, axles, you name it there's at least 5 different choices for each. Now that would be fun!!!!!!!!

That being said, I would seriously consider the GMC Duramax - incredible power, better fuel economy than either Ford or Dodge, and almost as smooth and quiet as a gasser.

Better fuel economy?

I don't know about the newer dodges, but this past winter a guy i plow with was plowing with a f350 gasser and happened to run over a curb, that ended up shutting him down for the night and set him back $800 to rebuid the front hub. he wasn't going very fast he was just manuvering to start a new swipe. In Januaury he showed up with a new truck, another f350 this time however it was a diesel (he said he switched because he was using to much fuel a night in the other truck). Anyway, two weeks later, were plowing the same lot and the storm turns to ice and everything is like a huge slip and slide, all of us were slipping and sliding around the lot, luckily it was empty. Anyway, he ended up sliding into a curb with the new truck and again this shut him down for the night and again set him back $800 to rebuild the hub. I don't know, but from what I can tell, the dodge and the chevy's can take more abuse then that even with chevy's "weak IFS"

Ever hear of a company called WARN for hubs? As for the IFS....I destroyed 3 of them. When GM starts building a truck again I will be back maybe. Everytime I see the new GM's the frame is getting closer to the ground and that is one issue along with the IFS. I started buying GM in the early 70's and my current Super-Duty has been the best truck I ever owned.

What is he doing to ruin these hubs? Never had a problem with breaking hubs while plowing. U-joints, wheel bearings, axle stubs, trannies, but never a hub. Maybe a hub that wouldn't engage, but never a problem after bouncing off a curb. Ford or Dodge.

I would put some Cooper M&S's on first of all and then tell him to leave his plow down and hope the trip edge\moldboard will absorb the impact even though I am still having a really hard time envisioning what he is doing.

I only pay enough attention to the other guys I'm plowing with to make sure they are doing what they are supposed to do and they are staying clear of hitting me. The second hub broke on a really slippery night, all the trucks were slidding around and no tire was going to keep us from slidding, I think we ended up by the end of the night with an inch of ice, the only places that it was easy to drive on was where we hadn't cleared yet or where the sanders had dropped sand.
As far as the hub goes all I know is I saw the repair bill both times and dropped my jaw at the damage from hitting a curb, personally with my old truck 86 gmc K25 I bounced off various items with the wheels mostly in my first year of plowng from not know what I was doing and not paying enough attention to what was around. Anyway, I never did any damage to anything in the drive line, hubs, wheels, bushings etc. So really I don't have a clue as to what he did to break them but he sure did.

Im seriously looking at a Ford or GMC, but Im big and my kids are big, and the extra 6 inches in width and 4 inches in rear seat room in the Ford (very similar to Dodge) makes me wish Chevy built a REAL full size truck again.

Is there a new redesign soon? Ill buy one ASAP if Chevy/GM increase the cab width and rear seat legroom to match the Ford.

Plus, let me order a front bench! I hate the fighter cockpit, its a friggin truck find some other place to hide the Bose subwoofer. ;)

go with the Ford, you will love it!
i have a 2005 F250 CC 4x4 with the 6.0. it is by far the best truck i have ever owned and i have not had one issue with it whatsoever, engine or tranny.
the majority of problems ppl are complaining about are problems that are are a direct result of modding/chipping their 6.0's
thats why when you chip a 6.0 or mod it, it voids your factory warrentie. (people seem to forget this)
leave it stock and it will last you along time!

I have a stock 2005 F250 CC 4x4 with the 6.0; it has leaked oil from the time it had a couple of hundred miles. Dealer has diagnosed leaking rear main seal (engine crankshaft). There are so many vehicles out there with the problem I asked the dealer to find out from Ford what it really takes to fix it. No response in over a week. Want to trade?

What I don't understand is why would anyone want an auto in a tow vehicle?????? Are you just the damn lazy?? If anyone has noticed, most of the problem anyone is having with their rigs is the transmission..auto in fact..and I've heard the same of Dodges that their injectors go bad fast and with GM. My 05 F350 is fantastic and would buy another

Im still waiting to have all these problems I hear about the 6L. Ill let you know when I do.

I'll bet that you just pipe right up when you have a problem! That's bullCensored

What I don't understand is why would anyone want an auto in a tow vehicle?????? Are you just the damn lazy?? If anyone has noticed, most of the problem anyone is having with their rigs is the transmission..auto in fact..and I've heard the same of Dodges that their injectors go bad fast and with GM. My 05 F350 is fantastic and would buy another

Have you tried a torqueshift? I cannot vouch for how reliable it is going to be but it truly adds slowing down vehicle and tow..

You wouldn't get that with manual transmission