Has anyone elce thought about what we would all do if the big three went belly up????..........maybe China would start importing dually's??????:eek::eek::eek::eek:..........scary times.

Yeah it would be bad we prob would not have one tons!! I have been alot of places and have not seen any one ton truck like we drive here in the US.

OH NOOOOOOOO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhJlseAY0E0)


Looks like the fears are well founded.

I would drive my 05 till it literally fell apart around me before driving a tundra...or any import for that matter.

I think I'll stop driving trucks before I drive a rice-oil burner -:t-:t:badidea:

Is it me or are the rear fenders about 12-14 inches wide????? I cab see shredded toy fenders everywhere

i do like the wheels on it...thats about it though...the wheel base looks way to small, they should have went with an 8'ft bed to strecth out the wheels alittle more

USA, Canada, and Mexico is the only places I have seen that sales trucks like we call them trucks. In germany they use station wagons, vans, and this is what their trucks look like;

oh God, the bailout cant come soon enough!!!!

I am by no means a Toyota fan, but I have said for some time, if they come out with a 1 ton Dually they will really hurt the big 3.

If you think I'm crazy, look at the sales numbers on the Tundra. You cannot say they haven't hurt the smaller truck sales.

The yota tundra is great to pick up kids at school and groceries at the store. Put some weight behind it and my truck could run circles around it.

I just dont understand why Americans dont buy American?

The yota tundra is great to pick up kids at school and groceries at the store. Put some weight behind it and my truck could run circles around it.

I just dont understand why Americans dont buy American?
Because they are brainwashed by the older generation that had late 70s and 80s american cars...most were sh-t. They were playing catch up with the imports back then.
In the past 10 years the big 3 have had some breakthroughs in reliability. GM itself has more cars in the 30 mpg range than all import company's, but some people do not do their research and are ignorant to the fact.
They believe all domestics are less reliable than imports when it is clear fact in recent years most imports quality has diminished compared to past years. More warranty work and more consumer complaints than before.

at least you get nice trip to china to have warranty work done, least that is what chinese warranty seems to be on atv's and other junk they sell over here. come to think about it couple months ago article was posted about toyota buying back pickups made from mid 90's to early 2000's due to frame rotting, toyota has 49million dollar contract to crush those trucks, because they can't get enough frames to replace damaged frames in North East states. toyota claims fluke but if you think back to hilux and 80's toyota pickups beds rusted out also along with frames then. news reported this week that toyota's holding 43% resale value after 10 years, wonder how much of those numbers are pickups that toyo is buying at 100% KBB price? tired of government trying to make us the example and then blame us when they screw it up, the president of puegot thinks diesel emissions regs can't be met for practicle cost offset to vehicle and wants euro standards froze, and they are not as stringent as here.

I would walk before I would dirve that tundra dually-:t

Reason the trucks look like this is that as soon as the weight is over 3500kgs you have to run a tacho. That means 56mph limited and around 9 hours work/driving a day. 4 hours on 1 hours off and 4 hours on. So if you have a trip of say 600 miles whereas you goodselves can probably knock it off in 7 or 8 hours, here they can drive at a max of 56mph for 4 hours then take a break of 1 hour and then drive the last 4 hours straight. Then its day over for the driver.
Believe me its a right pain in the arse.
I'm lucky I'm exempt as I don't carry any goods for sale, or reward as I'm in the film business, but for others it takes an age to get anywhere.
And no I'm not changing my Chevy ever.

I think some of you forgot that Isuzu Diesel technology and expertise is responsible for helping GM build our beloved Dmax.

I have owned three toyota p/u's. They are very stout electronlly and frames/suspension. They mastered 4 cyl engines.I onced hauled 3800lbs in the bed of an 82 half ton.I also love the general

At least the other manufactures aren't asking for billions of dollars that you the tax payer will eventually pay off for them. I would support any brand that can effectivley run a auto company for many years and not have to depend on the Gov. for help when things slow down. Maybe the big three shouldn't have been living so high on the hog while things where good and set aside money for times like this. This all will happen again in less then 20 years and I would hope they would learn their lesson and prepare for it but they won't, they will get their bail out money and blow it in all the wrong places and ask again when things go south again. If only I could go get help when work slows down, but that will never happen I plan for things to happen and prepare for them so I am covered since the Gov. won't help me out maybe they should do the same. I hope Toyota or Nissan comes out with full size trucks. Then the big three would be shaking in their private corporate jets.

At least the other manufactures aren't asking for billions of dollars that you the tax payer will eventually pay off for them.

Tax payers will not pay the billions of dollars back. That's because the so-called "bailout" is really only a government loan, to be paid back by the borrower, in this case the auto manufacturer.

Tax payers will not pay the billions of dollars back. That's because the so-called "bailout" is really only a government loan, to be paid back by the borrower, in this case the auto manufacturer.

They also did this for Chrysler back in the 80s... seemed to work then

IIRC the reason that the loan worked for Chrysler back in the 80's is that they got a big ass contract to build all of those tanks for the military...
It's a big global world out there and it means global competition unless the govt. goes to socialism like it has done with the bailouts for the banks...Do you think that they will be paying that money back ? Wrong..the rich screamed that the sky was falling and had Congress give their investment and banker buddies a cash escape..
What happened to letting the banks go bankrupt ? The national media scared the sheep into going along with "the sky is falling" theme...
Of well, let's see what happens when a wheelbarrow of money that is falling from the sky won't buy a cord of wood..
How can we harp about buying American ? When was the last time YOU went to Wallyworld or most anyplace and ONLY bought American? Does that exclude the Maple Leaf state of Canada ? What about Mexico where GM manufactures and probably wishes they had moved to 40 years ago. I have tried to buy only American and it is impossible. Try getting one of those ratcheting tie down straps. You might get one with the web made in the USA but not the ratchet.
Thanks for letting me rant...
Time to fix some old iron..
Flame On...
Yours in the Revolution

The loser from the video was such a typical Toyota driving loser. "torque-ee" "want to climb a wall" What the hell...he thinks it has torque because nothing else Toyota makes has any power whatsoever. That whole company is surrounded by lies that they have brainwashed so many people with.

Well, I'm 55 years old so if GM goes under, I figure I can find enough used Duramaxs to get me by the rest of my life. I wouldn't drive a japmobile if you GAVE IT ME! BUY AMERICAN!:saluteusa:

jap mobile is a good one. we have 3 american trucks (2 chevy and 1 gmc) in the drive way right now and would never even consider a toyota at all. (unless they gave me a million bucks and a tundra. then i would sell the tundra buy an lmm dmax and retire at age 16)

I would switch to Isuzu N-Series

I think some of you forgot that Isuzu Diesel technology and expertise is responsible for helping GM build our beloved Dmax.

I would like to know more about this. Just last night a potential new dodge dually owner told me my motor was made by Isuzu?

I would like to know more about this. Just last night a potential new dodge dually owner told me my motor was made by Isuzu?

GM and Isuzu have collaborated on designs before. ALL the manufacturers do. Look how many re badged vehicles there are. Import and domestic, all company's have worked together to some extent. That being said, Tell your friend, if that Isuzu comment was meant to degrade your Duramax, to enjoy his excellent Cummins powered truck. The engine will outlast the crappy quality Dodge has put in all their trucks.

A good buddy of mine wants a Tundra to tow his 28ft trailer with, he can't understand why I would want a dually....... I just don't get it.......or maybe he doesn't get it

I would like to know more about this. Just last night a potential new dodge dually owner told me my motor was made by Isuzu?
Check out the data plate on the passenger side of the valve cover under your dmax....

I think I'll stop driving trucks before I drive a rice-oil burner -:t-:t:badidea: where do you think the D'max originated?

http://www.mooneyes.co.jp/garage/mini_t/dually/dually.jpg

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/sema/2007/toyotatundradieselduallyprojecttruck.toyotaduallyf 34500.img.jpg

lolwut? I think they already have.

my cuz in in school in kansas for diesel.. and the toyota rep says there will be a 3/4 and 1 ton diesels soon enuf...
and clams there going to blow american diesels out of the water

Not with looks they wont.

http://images.dieselpowermag.com/tech/chevy/0805dp_01_z+lmm_duramax_upgrades+front_angle.jpg

http://www.pickuptrucks.com/IMAGES/autoshows/sema2007/toyota/tundradiesel/intro.jpg

http://www.benzel.net/camping/rvshow2006/truck_camper.jpg

http://www.customduallytruckaccessories.com/images/dually-dodge.jpg

http://www.xtremelowz.com/flchapter/chuck/chuck01.jpg

http://www.atyourcurb.com/images/SierraDuallyPic1.jpg

Fail

Check out the data plate on the passenger side of the valve cover under your dmax....

I do not own a Dmax. What does it say? Got a pic?

Thanks!

What? Made in China?

it says isuzu. which is owned by gm. duramax is owned by gm and built in the usa. theres a whole thread on it somewhere.

Lol, How did i forget that? I mean in the lounge yesterday we went over that. :rolleyes:

Not with looks they wont.



Damn Straight :)

Alright, I'd buy a Tundra dually ONLY IF it looked like the http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/1490630185228264.JPG?0.5160409642817039 2005 Tundra Texas Edition.

And no, It WOULD NOT have mud flaps. =)

the sharpest truck of all time is the gmt900 body...
other then 67-72 c-10's..
the powerstroke i personaly think is gross... the new 150 is a sharp looking truck..
the older rams(98 ish) were good looking.. then new ram is nice but nothing special to me..

http://www.off-road.com/trucks4x4/data/articlestandard/chevy/502006/391680/clip_image002.jpg

vs

http://www.f150online.com/galleries/images/10914-15358-209038.jpg

vs

http://image.sporttruck.com/f/madmopar/9564680+w450+h338+cr0+re1+ar1/2008-dodge-ram-1500-1.jpg

Fail.

The 2009 GMT900 Body is the biggest Silverado body ever made, Big as the (i assume) GMT600 Silverado 2500HD.

2009 F-150 Is as big as the 2004 F-250

And the 2009 Ram is as wide as a Bus.


Rofl, They're all big.

Im with the guys who say drive mine and fix it until I die...I may do that anyway, I still cant bring myself to like the nnbs...o wellz

2008's up look horrible...And Same here.

I would own the C/K series above all else, but since I can't get a Dmax in those stock (hint hint) I'd take the Silverado. That Tundra may have "power and performance," like the guy said, but in everything else, un-uh. That thing looks like a slightly aerodynamic brick with smaller bricks at the back and tires.

Im with the guys who say drive mine and fix it until I die...I may do that anyway, I still cant bring myself to like the nnbs...o wellz


I'm with Sneeky Pete!! Easy on the NBS though huh. :mad: Just playin, to each his own.

to each there own...
i dont like the older bodys...
the 2007 body was nice.. but im not a fan of the inside to much...


the 07.5 and up are the best body yet..

I have personally seen this rig. I thought I was seeing stuff, nope. It is true. I would personally look into purchasing one. This was designed and built in America. The engine may not have been but, neither is the Duramax. It is definitely better looking than the Dodge and Ford. They do need to look into a different name for it though. TUNDRA sounds really soviet. I know, I sound a little un-American saying I would buy one. Think about where most of are coming from though. The only time the big 3 really try to put out something worth a damn is when they are getting their asses handed to them from poor sales due to shitty products. Not saying they don't produce a quality product though. The trucks are top notch. But, thats all for the most part that are. And toyota makes a damn good truck also.

This was designed and built in America.

When are people going to learn that no matter where a Japanese truck is built, the profit is still going to Japan? That's money leaving the country and our economy that's never coming back.

Tundras have pathetic body construction. Any truck that the tail gate bends under the weight of something I can sit on it by hand is a joke. A friend of the family borrowed a generator during a storm induced power outage. It's a good size generator and weighs around 160 pounds. Took it off the tail gate of my Chevy and sat it on his Tundra, bending the hell out of the tail gate hinges in the process and misaligning it to the point that it wouldn't close. That's all I needed to see. The flimsy body panels are just as weak as they appear to be.

Still waiting to see the CHINESE dually. Toyota is Japanese....there is a difference. If you think Jap is crap wait until you see the Chinese crap , then you will beg for higher quality jap products....lol. Just saying Japanese is not Chinese unless your idea of dinner is a Yoohoo and a moonpie, if it is then I understand.

When are people going to learn that no matter where a Japanese truck is built, the profit is still going to Japan? That's money leaving the country and our economy that's never coming back.

they still pay taxes, but i see what you're saying. i personally wouldn't buy a ricer.

unless your idea of dinner is a Yoohoo and a moonpieAnd there is NOTHING wrong with that!!!!

I have proof of a Tacoma dually

http://www.mooneyes.co.jp/garage/mini_t/dually/dually.jpg

But no Frontier,Titan, Duallys.

why would anyone do that?!?

B/c they Fail-

When are people going to learn that no matter where a Japanese truck is built, the profit is still going to Japan? That's money leaving the country and our economy that's never coming back.

If that is truely the case tell me of 10 things that are within your arms reach right now that are made in America.

People that preach that tune do not practice what they preach.

Oh no say it isnt so....i would love to hook my 5th wheel to it and watch the Toyota Execs sweet as it fries their Tranny...LOL

I would drive my 01 till it died then id buy parts and get er running again and drive another few hundred miles.

Tundras have pathetic body construction. Any truck that the tail gate bends under the weight of something I can sit on it by hand is a joke.

Kind of like my 1-ton dooley's bulk-head, nothin' a 1/4 piece of c-iron couldn't fix though... My old chev.... I could drive my motorcycle into the bulk head all day long without it 'tweekin'.

Oh no say it isnt so....i would love to hook my 5th wheel to it and watch the Toyota Execs sweet as it fries their Tranny...LOL

Same here...

I would drive my 01 till it died then id buy parts and get er running again and drive another few hundred miles.


I will, and will again...

If that is truely the case tell me of 10 things that are within your arms reach right now that are made in America.

People that preach that tune do not practice what they preach.

Unfortunately, we've allowed so much of this country's manufacturing business to go outside our borders that it's impossible to buy only American made products. Why do you think our economy is a joke now? My argument was the fact that Toyota owners are the first ones to brag about their vehicles being built in America while the majority of profits from that vehicle went right straight to Japan. It's a marketing ploy that has suckered in thousands upon thousands of customers.

Unfortunately, we've allowed so much of this country's manufacturing business to go outside our borders that it's impossible to buy only American made products. Why do you think our economy is a joke now? My argument was the fact that Toyota owners are the first ones to brag about their vehicles being built in America while the majority of profits from that vehicle went right straight to Japan. It's a marketing ploy that has suckered in thousands upon thousands of customers.

:exactly:

Here you go: http://www.motoringjstyle.com/art/market0307/78toyotaduallycrewcab.jpg

the extended cab part looks like it was ripped off a first gen cummins ram!

answer this for me. In any other business when stock isnt moving you cut your losses and dicount the hell out of it. WHERE ARE THE DISCOUNTS. I want to see ppl walking away with trucks at cost or close to it. what a joke

answer this for me. In any other business when stock isnt moving you cut your losses and dicount the hell out of it. WHERE ARE THE DISCOUNTS. I want to see ppl walking away with trucks at cost or close to it. what a joke


Don't hold your breath !!!!.......:rolleyes:

answer this for me. In any other business when stock isnt moving you cut your losses and dicount the hell out of it. WHERE ARE THE DISCOUNTS. I want to see ppl walking away with trucks at cost or close to it. what a joke


That would be bad for most of us. When the price of new trucks drops, so does the value of our used ones. I only want big discounts if I am in the market to purchase.

im a gook and was raised to die by toyota... but as for right now pound for pound i would only go with a crew cab dmax dually esp. with the turbonetics upgrade (trying to start an auto transpo company.. im gonna need all the power i can get) ... but arent some of you guys being just a little ignorant by just talking trash on something that isnt even out yet? or being hypocritical when talking trash on imports products but running import products.. i.e. crotch rockets, dirt bikes etc.... i dont know live and die american but only sometimes? ... anyway, i was raised import BUT i give domestics the respect ... i say if the tundra can handle and perform ... so be it ... dont forget...the tundra dually you see posted is only a concept... not a production truck so relax... oh yea... about the big 3 bail out biz... yea its a loan that the government is giving them... but doesnt the government receive money from the tax payers? and what if the big three cant pay back that loan... then what... forget about what we're gonna drive... worry about how we're gonna live... just my $00.02..

That would be bad for most of us. When the price of new trucks drops, so does the value of our used ones. I only want big discounts if I am in the market to purchase.


Just think what the value of your used one will be if the general goes belly up. :eek:

Hey!

I remember my dad bitchin about the japs and the China imports when I was a kid I am now 46 and cannot for the life of me find anything made in the US. And I look, Union man ya know. They had a sneaker made in the US up until a few years ago or so, now you should see the looks of them there are warn out but I refuse to throw them out. Nubalance they are called.

Thank god for good USA whiskey.

I have been buyin GM's used and GM's new for ever. It looks like I will be buried with my 05 Duarmax.

What are you gonna do with a throw away society?

I think usa production will all come back after the rich make us a third world country get they're one world government. Sorry about the off topic:cool:

When are people going to learn that no matter where a Japanese truck is built, the profit is still going to Japan? That's money leaving the country and our economy that's never coming back.

.


Kinda like when GM ford and Dodge build thier trucks in canada or mexico. Thats money leaving this country too. All cummins are built in mexico. GM builds in canada. Now company profits are money I will never see, But work in a factory I have a chance at. Especially work building that new factory.

It's scary..

You guys see this? What could this eventually lead too? A Chinese Dually?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090513/ap_on_bi_ge/as_china_gm

You guys see this? What could this eventually lead too? A Chinese Dually?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090513/ap_on_bi_ge/as_china_gm


Unfreaking believeable !!..........this country is going to hell.:eek:

that is messed up ^^

I'll NEVER buy a GM car/truck that is built in China. This just goes to show how well GM knows their costumers. :(

When GM starts bringing vehicles over here that are made in maggot sucking bottom feeding China, that's when GM can shove it up there butt sideways. Lets see, what have we've been getting from China, tires that self destruct, childrens toys with lead base paint and the drywall fiasco. Yeah, I'm going to buy a vehicle that comes from Communist China, it'll happen when they take my guns away from me.

When GM starts bringing vehicles over here that are made in maggot sucking bottom feeding China, that's when GM can shove it up there butt sideways. Lets see, what have we've been getting from China, tires that self destruct, childrens toys with lead base paint and the drywall fiasco. Yeah, I'm going to buy a vehicle that comes from Communist China, it'll happen when they take my guns away from me.

I'm with you on this one for sure...:snipersmito china anything.