This guy on youtube is trash talking the Dmax and he's all sayin the new 6.7 is the only engine worth anything...anyone got some mud i can sling back? :]

One of my buddies bought one of those brand new and he could never get better than 13 mpg with it loaded or empty. And it has been in the shop 7 different times for the same problem. So finally dodge just bought it back from him and scrapped it. They are a pos in my opinion.

ha wow, 7 times? damn, thanks man for the reply. i cant stand dodge/cummins, they all act like they have the biggest baddest thing ever...when really, im pretty sure critics/customers have rated the Dmax the best diesel!

Yeah I,m pretty sure they replaced the whole top end twice and still cound't fix it. And yes in my opinion the Dmax is the best diesel engine I love mine!!!

haha wow, thats crazy, ha i dont have a Dmax (yet) :\ but i do, as you can tell from my sig, have a 6.5 Detroit, well its my dads, but when i get my license, i get it, i cant wait XD...i am only 16 so when i get old enough ill get my Dmax, well, when im financially able to do so i guess haha...ill have one one of these days :]

Yeah I,m pretty sure they replaced the whole top end twice and still cound't fix it. And yes in my opinion the Dmax is the best diesel engine I love mine!!!

in terms of light duty, yes. now once you get into the bigger trucks, Cummins pretty much owns. (why do you think you can get Kodiaks and TopKicks with the ISB??)

Is it even worth your time slinging mud back?? ;)

You can NOT win on the internet!

ben

Ive had a 94 cummins. I looked at the new ones just to be nosey. Everything on them has gotten cheaper under the hood. Things that used to be metal are plastic now and I think are a lot cheaper looking and easier to break. I guess they figure they can doink us by having to replace parts in a few years when the older ones are still going with originals. My dad went to a GM conference recently and overheard some guys saying they should cut some corners so stuff breaks quicker and we need to spend money on them to fix them. I guess thats what the manufacturers want us to do. Replace our trucks with new ones when they wear out quicker.

Just ask him about them dropping valves left and righ destroying the engine.

Cummins has a lot of things right these days when you look at emsssions i am gonna lean to cummins for my next diesel after 2010 since they claim they are not goin with SCR like the duramx will have with cat leaving on road means cummins will truly own heavy truck diesel market even though you have a few others with inhouse power

If GM buys Chrysler Im sure the cummins wont last long.

If GM buys Chrysler Im sure the cummins wont last long.
:rolleyes:

when will people learn that Dodge BUYS the ISB from Cummins and then puts them into the Ram. DODGE DOES NOT OWN CUMMINS:mad:

and mx2702001, don't forget that Detroit is still making on-road engines (DD15):cool:

if gm was smart they would put the cummins in the chevy along with a straight axle so they would have the best truck ever produced. i have owned them all cummins is a great motor.

If they were smart they would not be BROKE either huh

they are all broke

I stand corrected, Cummins will not have Chrysler to sell their engines too anymore. Guess toyota will have to buy cummins motors.

is that true. that would be cool. my lbz is fine . my first year duramax wasnt so good.

if gm was smart they would put the cummins in the chevy along with a straight axle so they would have the best truck ever produced. i have owned them all cummins is a great motor. actually a cummins with straight axles in ford super duty would be the baddest truck ever built... i love my dmax but dodge does have the best engine/trans, and fords got the strongest rolling chassis

I stand corrected, Cummins will not have Chrysler to sell their engines too anymore. Guess toyota will have to buy cummins motors.
and whered you come u with this b.s.?

:rolleyes:

when will people learn that Dodge BUYS the ISB from Cummins and then puts them into the Ram. DODGE DOES NOT OWN CUMMINS:mad:

and mx2702001, don't forget that Detroit is still making on-road engines (DD15):cool:


Well i am happy to see a new DD15 comming but Daimler is on with cummins power again for their heavy trucks be interesting to see if the major fleets will trade to freightliners with cummins. Also keep in mind cummins is the only true engine builder Daimler owns detroit good to see they kept DD name since the Mercedes did not win over like it was slated to

until a motor is actually in a truck on a lot ;. everything means nothing. evolution through a wrench into the whole light duty truck market. (meaning emissions) looking at it now . i had a 7.3,5.9,6.5. i would have kept my 7.3. i bought my lbz on impulse because of the emissions stuff. everyone will have there opinion. i will tell you if trucks could be ordered anyway you wanted it there would be some awesome trucks out there. At the end of the day its only a truck.

actually a cummins with straight axles in ford super duty would be the baddest truck ever built... i love my dmax but dodge does have the best engine/trans, and fords got the strongest rolling chassis

dodge has the best trans????????

When i bought my 06 5.9. I had the option of manuel or auto i opted for the auto . I hated it. I kicked myself . The tranny was the worst auto i ever had. bought auto for my wife.sold it with 4000 miles on it. The best tranny i ever had is in my 84 . turbo 400. and my 5 speed in my bullet proof fuso. I guess i will just save up my recall notices for my lbz take care of them all at one time its a joke.

how about they have the option to either put a duramax or cummins in a chevy truck with ford solid axles and the allison.

what is it with a strait axle, we have all seen that with minor add ons the chevy IFS can compete with the best.

actually a cummins with straight axles in ford super duty would be the baddest truck ever built... i love my dmax but dodge does have the best engine/trans, and fords got the strongest rolling chassis

Thats funny.

I stand corrected, Cummins will not have Chrysler to sell their engines too anymore. Guess toyota will have to buy cummins motors.
:eek::eek::eek:

actually a cummins with straight axles in ford super duty would be the baddest truck ever built... i love my dmax but dodge does have the best engine/trans, and fords got the strongest rolling chassis

dude...do u know wut transmission GM puts in there trucks? the best, an allison...dodge has the worst transmissions ever!
Dmax rules!

Wouldnt that be cool carter 44. i have to say i have not personally experienced a chevy ifs with a quality suspension upgrade . i am going to do mine in the fall. I am afraid to spend the money right now. Being self employed right now is no fun. No matter what i saw i have owned 8 gm trucks . I have 2 now and a 35th anniversary vette. so i guess i am a chevy guy. but i do like cummins.

This is a tuff discussion. To me all vehicles have there pros and cons. I still love the bow tie though..:D

dude...do u know wut transmission GM puts in there trucks? the best, an allison...dodge has the worst transmissions ever!
Dmax rules!
yeah yeah... allison. what have much rather of had a dodge 6speed manual. i hear alot of stuff about how the allison is the best, but best at what? holding power, how its learns and shifts in comparison of how u drive? id take a dodge 6speed anyday of the week.

Some of the funkiest shifting i've ever felt has been in a Chevy/GMC with the allison. Just because the name on it is "Allison" you think its bulletproof but it is any but that. It does a great job, and will last a long time under stock power. Most all the guys on here running descent times all have a built tranny, or at least a suncoast.

I agree. before my lbz i test drove a 6 speed stick 5.9. in my opinion it makes any truck i have ever had look like a toy. i wish i bought it all of the time. it was a sweet truck very rare find. loaded 4 door black dually. it was awesome. if i knew the 5.9 was going to end i would have got it. oh well lbz is ok. when i heard emmissions i did everything i could to find 0 mile lbz. i have to say a guy in town just bought a new f250 loaded 6.4 pretty nice truck. he loves it.

well, i guess you can call me a patriot of GM, i will never badmouth it lol...so no matter what anyone says, GM is always going to be the best to me...but anyways. every manual dodge ive been in jumped like crazy! idk, i just dont like the dodge trannys very much.

Some of the funkiest shifting i've ever felt has been in a Chevy/GMC with the allison. Just because the name on it is "Allison" you think its bulletproof but it is any but that. It does a great job, and will last a long time under stock power. Most all the guys on here running descent times all have a built tranny, or at least a suncoast.

A friend has 410rwhp on his dmax with the bone stock allsion. He has 60,000 miles and beats the piss outta his truck. Hes replaced the ring and pinion, hubs and bearing from doin donuts and what not. The truck also has a 6in lift with 35's and he abuses his truck, but the tranny doesnt slip one bit. I think hes lucky.

My old man told me today that it looks as though the GM chrysler thing isnt panning out. Guess Cummins is still going to be cranking out motors for dodge trucks. shame I wanted a "Duracummins."

A friend has 410rwhp on his dmax with the bone stock allsion. He has 60,000 miles and beats the piss outta his truck. Hes replaced the ring and pinion, hubs and bearing from doin donuts and what not. The truck also has a 6in lift with 35's and he abuses his truck, but the tranny doesnt slip one bit. I think hes lucky.

Yea, I have a friend with an 05 LLY and its doing fine at 100K miles and its been programmed its whole life. My other buddy has an 07 LBZ that has been acting up since 20K with a diablo only. Who knows, I have a friend who beats up an 2003 6L powerstroke too and nothing happens to it either, I guess some people just get wednesday trucks.

My buddy has the diablo on his. lol

the alison is not a true alison, its the case and thats pretty much it. one of my teacher's in tech school has an older 5.9 mechanical with a manual trans. he tweaked every stock component on it so that it would make as much power as that motor could with all stock parts, anyway he has gone through 6 trans and he doesnt really beat on it. Like already stated its the luck of the draw.

the alison is not a true alison, its the case and thats pretty much it. one of my teacher's in tech school has an older 5.9 mechanical with a manual trans. he tweaked every stock component on it so that it would make as much power as that motor could with all stock parts, anyway he has gone through 6 trans and he doesnt really beat on it. Like already stated its the luck of the draw.

We're not talking about manuals here.

the alison is not a true alison, its the case and thats pretty much it.

you're a moron and have no idea what you are talking about. Also learn how to spell. Its Allison. Two L's in case you missed that.

It does a great job, and will last a long time under stock power..

Im impressed the dorkshift in the new superduty's will hold 500rwhp stock, but at least the 6.0's ive driven didnt really impress me as far as shifting. Maybe the 08's are better.

Yes the allison will not hold a lot of power when you tune the engine. So who the hell cares? Thats all it was designed to do. Haul big loads as efficently as possible on a stock tune and last hundreds of thousands of miles.


Ok now that ive said that lets hear your best string of "well my buddy has an uncle whos allison blew up at 40,000 miles, and my best friends mailmans brother is a tech at the local chevy dealer and he replaces 37 allisons every week"

now put your old avatar of the girls back up. :D

ben

Im impressed the dorkshift in the new superduty's will hold 500rwhp stock, but at least the 6.0's ive driven didnt really impress me as far as shifting. Maybe the 08's are better.

Yes the allison will not hold a lot of power when you tune the engine. So who the hell cares? Thats all it was designed to do. Haul big loads as efficently as possible on a stock tune and last hundreds of thousands of miles.


Ok now that ive said that lets hear your best string of "well my buddy has an uncle whos allison blew up at 40,000 miles, and my best friends mailmans brother is a tech at the local chevy dealer and he replaces 37 allisons every week"

now put your old avatar of the girls back up. :D

ben

I don't know why everyone makes the 08 torqshift to be so much better, I think its the exact same thing. Mine is stock and i'll tell ya it holds all the power and shifts like a dream. And yes I think it does a BETTER job than the allison as far as slowing trailors down when in tow mode... or that may be due to my SCT closing the turbo vanes for me:cool:

Oh and i'll see what I can do about the avatar;)

And yes I think it does a BETTER job than the allison as far as slowing trailors down when in tow mode... or that may be due to my SCT closing the turbo vanes for me:cool:

That is the reason it slows down better. The allison doesnt have any overrunning or freewheel stuff. If the converter is locked, its as directly locked/coupled to the engine as possible. Identical to a manual trans.


Oh and i'll see what I can do about the avatar;)

):h

guess what guys. bumped into a guy today at home depot. He had a 06 mega 5.9. I had to ask him if he liked it because thats what i do. First time i have ever heard of a 5.9 cooking injectors. He had no idea . and local truck mechanic dosent know why. 125000 miles on it already no warranty last visit was 1500 dollars. It has happened a few times. He has a computer thing for fuel economy is that it. owe hey he hates the tranny can never find a gear that is from the guy using it.

I don't know why everyone makes the 08 torqshift to be so much better, I think its the exact same thing. Mine is stock and i'll tell ya it holds all the power and shifts like a dream. And yes I think it does a BETTER job than the allison as far as slowing trailors down when in tow mode... or that may be due to my SCT closing the turbo vanes for me:cool:

Oh and i'll see what I can do about the avatar;)

I have ridden in a 08 diesel with the auto tranny,and it dont hold back at all!!! Its like the tow/haul in gas motor trucks.The Allison out preforms the torque shift.

I have ridden in a 08 diesel with the auto tranny,and it dont hold back at all!!! Its like the tow/haul in gas motor trucks.The Allison out preforms the torque shift.

I've driven more than a few 08's and it works great on them, you can even use it just to save on brake pads. I use mine alot as well.

the alison is not a true alison, its the case and thats pretty much it. one of my teacher's in tech school has an older 5.9 mechanical with a manual trans. he tweaked every stock component on it so that it would make as much power as that motor could with all stock parts, anyway he has gone through 6 trans and he doesnt really beat on it. Like already stated its the luck of the draw.Put the crack pipe down!:blahblah:

GM has the best overall truck Dodge had Cummins Ford well I don't know? J/K. They all have had good and bad I think Dodges suck because they fall apart and have crappy brakes. Ford has built some goos stuff but 6.0/6.4, what needs to be said? The 5.9 is better than the Duramax but I would not own another Dodge to have one. The 5.9 lasts as I have had 6 up to 500,000mi used and abused at work. The Duramax is awesome but it anit a 5.9 for work. In big trucks,equipment CAT has it all over Cummins in the big stuff. I just ordered a C27 today (27L-1500cid V-12) 875HP continuous duty tier II. It is for a test engine.

(why do you think you can get Kodiaks and TopKicks with the ISB??)
I did not see any Cummins option for the Kodiaks.

(why do you think you can get Kodiaks and TopKicks with the ISB??)

um, no you cant.........

I have a story but not going to eloborate here now but it any one wants I can varify what I say! I got the truck with 3 factory XNAFU's Steering, burns coolant, and gutless wonder! I have 40 visits to fix the gutless wonder a 99 3500. It has always bucked at 1100 to 1275 rpm and has got as hight as reading 7.3 liters per 100 km's at 11,400 lbs. The dollarshop and 8 others and cumzin in lower bc was of nooooo help in fixing it. You think with an engine temp of 235*F and the top of the rad at 114*F and the bottom of the rad at 86*F that cumzin (the two guys that run the dyno and the two service managers could tell that the thermostat wasn't opening!!!!!!!! Customer must replace the viscous fan, disconntinued dyno run so as not to scuff then engine. That was just another ???? what ever that bill amounted tooooooo $ a thousand plus or more?????? I ran round for I bet 8 months with the engine putting out 130 rwhp and the dolllarshops diesel mech (ha) said that was about right!!!!!!! ( Ya RIGHT!) With the new lift pump that brought me to 175 rwhp. WOOOW! So now I have an 09 55 Topkick in the driveway.:D:D:D I was even able to pass 2 cars on the way home the other week! Something that I wasn't able to do for the first 2 years or so when I got the 99 D0_G_, it was worst for power then my 86 Toyota ( Which WAS a good truck! just under powered for what I had in it.

um, no you cant.........

tell me why my neighbors '06 Kodiak has one then, his is BONE STOCK down to the tire:rolleyes:

tell me why my neighbors '06 Kodiak has one then, his is BONE STOCK down to the tire:rolleyes:


yeah ok lets see a picture, then Ill shut up. Let me guess, is it a cummins that some goofball at the factory accidentally painted yellow instead of red??

Are you sure it is the cummins you hate? The 5.9 cummins itself is a good motor. Know what is built around the cummins is a differant story(dodge). I have owned a dodge with a cummins and it was a great truck besides replacing the brakes and other cheap looking stuff.

Know the drivers of most dodge trucks think their shit dont stink. That and their trucks are the fastest things on the road. Dont we all think that?

Just my .02 cents!

yeah ok lets see a picture, then Ill shut up. Let me guess, is it a cummins that some goofball at the factory accidentally painted yellow instead of red??

it's solid black btw, 5.9 Cummins;)

Are you sure the engine is a cummins? dads kodiak has a cat motor in it and its yellow.

it's solid black btw, 5.9 Cummins;)

Just take a pic of the motor.

it's solid black btw, 5.9 Cummins;)

take a picture of it. Your word means nothing to me, and I wont beleive you until you post a picture.

take a picture of it. Your word means nothing to me, and I wont beleive you until you post a picture.

How much you wanna bet,that wont happen??? Cant wait for the excuse!!!!

The old man is a medium duty chevy truck dealer, he says no cummins in the kodiaks. Just 8.1 gas motors, dmaxes and cat motors for the biggest trucks. Maybe you saw the inline 6 dmax they put in them. Its black when you look at the GM website.

i didnt even know there was a inline 6 duramax. is that true?

The old man is a medium duty chevy truck dealer, he says no cummins in the kodiaks. Just 8.1 gas motors, dmaxes and cat motors for the biggest trucks. Maybe you saw the inline 6 dmax they put in them. Its black when you look at the GM website.

well i guess, i was wrong:banghead: i talked to my neighbor, found out he had the LG5 in there:p:

sorry guys, i thought it was a Cummins in there. my mistake:o:

i didnt even know there was a inline 6 duramax. is that true?

yup, the LG5. it's a 7.8L inline 6, 275bhp and either 550btq (iirc), or 860btq (high tq model)

yup, the LG5. it's a 7.8L inline 6, 275bhp and either 550btq (iirc), or 860btq (high tq model)

Thats kinda different. Cool.

They need to put the inline 6 in the pickups.

yes they do, if they could ever get it to loose about 250-300lbs. it's a heavy lump. it would be nice if GM could eek a little more power out of them too :D

Wonder if anyone makes a programmer for one of those dmax motors? Something like that with about 500 ponies in a pickup would be perfect.

the 7.8 dmax is a good engine from what I understand. Very stout and overbuilt for the power level it produces. Has some interesting design characteristics as well. Its overhead cam, and I think aluminum headed too maybe. Common rail fuel injection.

Before anyone asks, no efilive will not work with it because it uses a Denso ECM, not bosch or delphi.

1990camaroRS- ill forgive you :D :p:

ben

are those the motors that are in the top kicks. they have d max emblems, but i never thought about it. This is the first time i have heard of that motor. what else do they put them in. that is cool.

You know.....come to think of it,I have never seen the 7.8 dmax.I know of 2 guys that have the 5500 top kicks,and both have the 6.6 durmax.

My dad deals with them a lot at his dealership. I drove one with a new grain body on it about 200 miles after having the body put on it. Its a monster. It was 95 degrees and didnt have air,that sucked.

I got a chance to drive the 6.7 a guttless wonder just like driveing a stock 6.5 only slower LOL!I have a 5.9 and would run circles around it ,plus poor mpg.

Yea I drove one. I was not impressed. You think dodge would have better fit and finish too. Youre paying like 50 grand for a loaded up new truck and the body gaps suck and the one I drove had an annoying sqeaking right behind my head on one of the plastic trim pieces. Whats really funny is we were looking at the outside and couldnt figure out what was out of place right away. It was the cummins emblem,it was on one side and they forgot the other one on the passenger side, makes you wonder what else they may have fogrotten.

You know.....come to think of it,I have never seen the 7.8 dmax.I know of 2 guys that have the 5500 top kicks,and both have the 6.6 durmax.

that's because it's used in the 6500, 7500 and 8500 trucks;) it's slightly too heavy for the smaller rigs (don't even think about trying to get the suspension on a Silverado or Sierra to hold it, it's 1180lbs bone dry, and takes about 10 gallons of oil:eek:

I have not ran a new 6.7 guess i will have to since i am suprised to hear its gutless but then again i never ran a cummins smaller than 8.3 either and i think those are brutes as far as power goes cummins claims that they are not in it for top power rating for the hp race but they want them to run longer

I have not ran a new 6.7 guess i will have to since i am suprised to hear its gutless but then again i never ran a cummins smaller than 8.3 either and i think those are brutes as far as power goes cummins claims that they are not in it for top power rating for the hp race but they want them to run longer

that's why they made the Signature 600 with 600hp:rolleyes: Cummins do make great engines though

i've seen a few 6.7's do very well at two truck pulls, but I don't know what they did to them.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=115662/pageId=97973

prolly a little late for this

we just got a 6.7 as a new work truck between that and our 5500 chevys we are working to get rid of our fords and their constant problems. the dodge seems like a nice truck imo so far it doesnt have as much get up and go as i would have expected but we didnt buy it to be a racecar, so as long as it keeps doing what it doing i'll be happy.

i have an ISX cummins motor in my semi and love the thing 500+hp and almost 2000ft/lb torque only 300,000 mi. on her so far but she'll go for a long time

Man, I would buy a Dmax equipped truck in a minute if they would only hold together over 500hp. The Allison tranny is not well liked in the high hp diesel world either, seems they defuel big time while shifting?? and have to be built to hold anything over stock power, just like the Dodges 47,48RE's. I think the new 2009's are ugly as sin too...What do you guys think??

Man, I would buy a Dmax equipped truck in a minute if they would only hold together over 500hp. The Allison tranny is not well liked in the high hp diesel world either, seems they defuel big time while shifting?? and have to be built to hold anything over stock power, just like the Dodges 47,48RE's. I think the new 2009's are ugly as sin too...What do you guys think??


My truck has been fine with over 500hp and i see plenty of high horsepowered dmax/allison trucks. Some cant keep a torque converter to hold up, but thats over 1000 horse.

Ill have to admit cummins is a good engine. But id choose a duramax over a cummins any day

I hate cumzins! Ha 7 visits to the dollarshops is nothing! I had/ have (40) to fix my gutless wonder since new from the factory. When I drove it home from the dollarshop you could hear every ??? cylinder POUND POUND up the gearshifter in about a 6 inch cone, the motor would rev and scream but no accereration from it. With new vp44 and the 275 injectors I could barely get ahead of a Chev 2500 pulling a 22 ft 5 th wheel. At 11,400 lbs I was reading 7.4 Liters of fuel consumption per 100 km's:mad: I had burned almost 4 liters of coolant at 22,000 kms. Of the 53 diesel engines I have operated that was the worst.( get the connection?)

I own a dodge but I dont care for the 6.7 at all. I wont ever own one personally too much emissions junk on them. even on the cummins forum the guys beat off over the 6.7 and I think they are pretty pointless honestly. im not a fan of any of the new trucks with the dpf

the 6.7s aint bad once you open them up. Would i go back to my dmax? Yes in a heart beat. Its not the motor in the truck its the tool behind the wheel. theres plenty of ford and dmax guys as well as cummins guys that think their stuff dont stink cuz they are running a superduper chip. but for whats out there for them, they arent a bad motor. money for money a 6.7 is prolly gonna get whipped on but mod for mod i think theyd hold thier own.

its a fact that the 5.9 was a soldier. its the dodge truck not the cummins engine that falls apart. im not a big powerstroke fan but love both duramax and cummins powerplants.

I left GM for Dodge 5 years ago. Still have the Dodge and still wondering if I'm ever gonna get rid of it. All I do is drive it and smile. It's the easiest truck to mod and believe it or not the auto is tough as nails. No more defueling. No more limp. No more sissy front end.

My brother has an 01 duramax and I am impressed with it. I have more power and better MPG with my older cummins though.

My brother has an 01 duramax and I am impressed with it. I have more power and better MPG with my older cummins though.

im having the same problem with some dick on youtube also. hes saying a 650 hp 12v doesnt nessarly have to smoke just cuz it has 650 hp. then he called me a dumb ass and said i dont know shit. i just told him to find me a 12v with 650 hp that doesnt smoke and ill shut up. then he said something like find a real truck and then you can shut up, then he added **** IZUZU bitch!! i just said for under $8000 i can make 500 rwhp with efi live, have a built tranny and practicaly run a stock fuel system with just the help of a lift pump. then i asked him if his pice of shit dodge could do that. so i think i shut him up.

im having the same problem with some dick on youtube also. hes saying a 650 hp 12v doesnt nessarly have to smoke just cuz it has 650 hp. then he called me a dumb ass and said i dont know shit. i just told him to find me a 12v with 650 hp that doesnt smoke and ill shut up. then he said something like find a real truck and then you can shut up, then he added **** IZUZU bitch!! i just said for under $8000 i can make 500 rwhp with efi live, have a built tranny and practicaly run a stock fuel system with just the help of a lift pump. then i asked him if his pice of shit dodge could do that. so i think i shut him up.

lol for under $8000 i can make over 500rwhp on completely stock fuel supply system in an old dodge including a built tranny. the duramax is a nice engine if you only want 450-500whp and don't do boosted launches or sled pull with it. my buddy has an 06 lbz that he got with 60,000 miles on it and its throws codes everytime he drives and it only has an afe stage 2 intake and full mbrp stainless cool duals exhaust on it. Also it get around 9-13 mpg :rolleyes: It does have much nicer interior then dodges do thats for sure.

i had a 24v and got rid of it because of all the problems. the cummins is a million mile motor in a 50K mile truck. i loved the cummins motor but i couldnt drive my own truck becuase it was always in the shop. for all you cummins guys talking shit about the gm front ends...a few cheap mods and i can launch just as hard as you can and my truck will ride ALOT better. there is nothing wrong with the ifs it just needs a little help and will be just as dependable as a sfa and still ride better.

i am driving a dmax because it is a superior truck. my cummins had more mods and my dmax would run circles around it with a much shorter mods list. the duramax is just a lighter and quicker.

efi live has crowned the duramax king for now. you guys still have to triple stack tuners to get to the power levels that efi will do. tune only a dmax can do 500rwhp. no cummins motor can make that claim with only one tuning device.

just because the cummins has been the hot rod of the diesel world in the past doesnt mean that hasnt changed. to all you cummins guys...go find a dmax guy who has build their truck right. you will be impressed. also, mod for mod i will challenge any cummins to beat a duramax. good luck.

i had a 24v and got rid of it because of all the problems. the cummins is a million mile motor in a 50K mile truck. i loved the cummins motor but i couldnt drive my own truck becuase it was always in the shop. for all you cummins guys talking shit about the gm front ends...a few cheap mods and i can launch just as hard as you can and my truck will ride ALOT better. there is nothing wrong with the ifs it just needs a little help and will be just as dependable as a sfa and still ride better.

i am driving a dmax because it is a superior truck. my cummins had more mods and my dmax would run circles around it with a much shorter mods list. the duramax is just a lighter and quicker.

efi live has crowned the duramax king for now. you guys still have to triple stack tuners to get to the power levels that efi will do. tune only a dmax can do 500rwhp. no cummins motor can make that claim with only one tuning device.

just because the cummins has been the hot rod of the diesel world in the past doesnt mean that hasnt changed. to all you cummins guys...go find a dmax guy who has build their truck right. you will be impressed. also, mod for mod i will challenge any cummins to beat a duramax. good luck.

a p-pumped cummins tuned properly with no tuners, chips, programmers or downloaders will walk by a duramax with efi live it. also no duramax can claim 800+whp on a stock bottom end. im not arguing dodges are better, im saying a cummins is the cheapest to build to any power lever above 500. next to a 6.4 powerstroke, i mean how can you go wrong with 600 on a tune only?

a p-pumped cummins tuned properly with no tuners, chips, programmers or downloaders will walk by a duramax with efi live it. also no duramax can claim 800+whp on a stock bottom end. im not arguing dodges are better, im saying a cummins is the cheapest to build to any power lever above 500. next to a 6.4 powerstroke, i mean how can you go wrong with 600 on a tune only?
maybe a p pumped cummins with turbo, injectors, exhaust, fuel plate mods will stay with an efi duramax. that is still drastically more money. i also dont think you can use the 6.4 strokers as a reference. they have not been out long enough to have really been tested. when multiple 6.4s go 50 or 100K miles running those power numbers without problems then we'll talk. till then your just pissing in the wind in my opinion. besides, if the 6.4 was such a great motor why was is so quickly replaced? even the almight 5.9 cummins was replaced with the 6.7 which does not impress me at all. duramax has stayed 6.6 all along. why mess with a great thing.

at 800rwhp who cares about the bottom end. to make that kind of power in any truck you will have enough money in it that a built bottom end or not wont matter.

if gm was smart they would put the cummins in the chevy along with a straight axle so they would have the best truck ever produced. i have owned them all cummins is a great motor.


The 7.2L inline 6 Cat would be better

I couldnt agree more

lol for under $8000 i can make over 500rwhp on completely stock fuel supply system in an old dodge including a built tranny. the duramax is a nice engine if you only want 450-500whp and don't do boosted launches or sled pull with it. my buddy has an 06 lbz that he got with 60,000 miles on it and its throws codes everytime he drives and it only has an afe stage 2 intake and full mbrp stainless cool duals exhaust on it. Also it get around 9-13 mpg :rolleyes: It does have much nicer interior then dodges do thats for sure.

So it throws codes everytime he drives it and only gets 9-13mpg.:rolleyes: Well he has a problem then and why cant you do boosted launches or sled pull with a duramax??? Or are u refering to your friends truck?

a p-pumped cummins tuned properly with no tuners, chips, programmers or downloaders will walk by a duramax with efi live it. also no duramax can claim 800+whp on a stock bottom end. im not arguing dodges are better, im saying a cummins is the cheapest to build to any power lever above 500. next to a 6.4 powerstroke, i mean how can you go wrong with 600 on a tune only?

Its been done before...more then once.;) Anyways, what is your point that you are getting at?

The 7.2L inline 6 Cat would be better

I couldnt agree more

dude the cat C7 that they put in the bigger kodiaks is a piece of shit. I dont know why everyone drools over it and thinks it would be badass for them to put it in the pickup trucks.

the dmax is twice the motor that yellow boat anchor is.

a p-pumped cummins tuned properly with no tuners, chips, programmers or downloaders will walk by a duramax with efi live it. also no duramax can claim 800+whp on a stock bottom end. im not arguing dodges are better, im saying a cummins is the cheapest to build to any power lever above 500. next to a 6.4 powerstroke, i mean how can you go wrong with 600 on a tune only?

really, no shit???????? thats like saying "a duramax properly tuned with no fuel plate grind, delivery valves, or GSK will walk by any 12 valve" :p:

12 valves are not cheap to build, im sorry. I dont know where all the dodge guys get off on saying "hahaha you have to spend 700 bucks on a tuner, I can turn up my 12 valve with a screwdriver!!!!"

to get to where you can get with EFILive-alone on a dmax on a 12 valve you need.... valve springs, delivery valves, injectors, fuel plate, GSK, TURBO, TRANSMISSION, lift pump, etc etc etc.... none of that stuff is cheap.

A stock 12 valve is 'free' to get to like a little over 300rwhp. Oh right, thats what the newer dmax's are stock....

a duramax will live at 800rwhp, just not for very long. Its not like at 800rwhp BOOM.

btw whereabouts in CT are you if I may ask..?

ben

lol for under $8000 i can make over 500rwhp on completely stock fuel supply system in an old dodge including a built tranny. the duramax is a nice engine if you only want 450-500whp and don't do boosted launches or sled pull with it. my buddy has an 06 lbz that he got with 60,000 miles on it and its throws codes everytime he drives and it only has an afe stage 2 intake and full mbrp stainless cool duals exhaust on it. Also it get around 9-13 mpg :rolleyes: It does have much nicer interior then dodges do thats for sure.


So can the duramax.... I make 441 RWHP with EFI Live... Only.

So can the duramax.... I make 441 RWHP with EFI Live... Only.

sweet i made 458rwhp/1053rwhp uncorrected with a set of used injectors i payed $500 for and a 4000rpm governor spring kit that cost $110 dollars brand new. i also payed $150 dollars to advance my timing to 18* because i don't have the tools to do that on my own. and thats on the stock turbo, with better pump tuning more power can be made or with a bigger exhaust housing more power can be made.

heres a video of one of the pulls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YisuN3YSr0

sweet i made 458rwhp/1053rwhp uncorrected with a set of used injectors i payed $500 for and a 4000rpm governor spring kit that cost $110 dollars brand new. i also payed $150 dollars to advance my timing to 18* because i don't have the tools to do that on my own. and thats on the stock turbo, with better pump tuning more power can be made or with a bigger exhaust housing more power can be made.

heres a video of one of the pulls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YisuN3YSr0

ok you did 460rwhp on a stock turbo, stock DV's, stock trans, stock everything else...

all you did was put in injectors, grind the fuel plate, and put in a 4kgsk? Now I have seen it all!! :eek:

150 dollars to reset the timing is ridiculous...was it someone around here who did it?

ben

really, no shit???????? thats like saying "a duramax properly tuned with no fuel plate grind, delivery valves, or GSK will walk by any 12 valve" :p:

12 valves are not cheap to build, im sorry. I dont know where all the dodge guys get off on saying "hahaha you have to spend 700 bucks on a tuner, I can turn up my 12 valve with a screwdriver!!!!"

to get to where you can get with EFILive-alone on a dmax on a 12 valve you need.... valve springs, delivery valves, injectors, fuel plate, GSK, TURBO, TRANSMISSION, lift pump, etc etc etc.... none of that stuff is cheap.

A stock 12 valve is 'free' to get to like a little over 300rwhp. Oh right, thats what the newer dmax's are stock....

a duramax will live at 800rwhp, just not for very long. Its not like at 800rwhp BOOM.

btw whereabouts in CT are you if I may ask..?

ben

my point exactly you have to build a duramax to make power and last, a cummins will take the abuse, I happen to have a 12v and i know what it takes, you don't need a lift pump in a 12v atleast until your a little north of 600whp. so subtract 500 for an airdog right there. you don't need to buy a fuel plate, you can grind one yourself, so subtract $200 right there. you don't need valve springs to get to 500whp+ you need valve springs when you go past a certain rpm which many say is 3200 but i've been going past that for 3yrs now, with stock valve springs and everything is fine. so subtract valvesprings. I will say a 4kgsk is money well spent but that's only $110. The transmission is $$$$ but that's needed for any vehicle making decent power. your right about delivery valves those are 250 dollars pretty pricey :rolleyes:. Injectors could be 500-1000 brand new depending on who you go thru and those are big enough to make whatever kinda power you want. and lastly a turbo or turbo's those can be alot of money but thats the same for any truck, I did 458/1053 stock turbo, stock exhaust housing, there was more in it, but i didn't tune the pump very much....

ok you did 460rwhp on a stock turbo, stock DV's, stock trans, stock everything else...

all you did was put in injectors, grind the fuel plate, and put in a 4kgsk? Now I have seen it all!! :eek:

150 dollars to reset the timing is ridiculous...was it someone around here who did it?

ben

yes, it was someone in coventry. I didn't say stock tranny that was fully built....but the only thing wrong with my stock tranny was the converter was slipping, but i figured while it was out I should have the whole thing built, and 4500 later it was all new, with a suncoast 92% tripple disc converter and every part suncoast sells for a 47re except the intermediate shaft, and valvebody. The stocker was reworked.

really, no shit???????? thats like saying "a duramax properly tuned with no fuel plate grind, delivery valves, or GSK will walk by any 12 valve" :p:

12 valves are not cheap to build, im sorry. I dont know where all the dodge guys get off on saying "hahaha you have to spend 700 bucks on a tuner, I can turn up my 12 valve with a screwdriver!!!!"

to get to where you can get with EFILive-alone on a dmax on a 12 valve you need.... valve springs, delivery valves, injectors, fuel plate, GSK, TURBO, TRANSMISSION, lift pump, etc etc etc.... none of that stuff is cheap.

A stock 12 valve is 'free' to get to like a little over 300rwhp. Oh right, thats what the newer dmax's are stock....

a duramax will live at 800rwhp, just not for very long. Its not like at 800rwhp BOOM.

btw whereabouts in CT are you if I may ask..?

ben

Im located right by the manchester town line, I saw a black duramax full of advertising for a siding company on 84E by manchester/vernon one night a few months back and i was driving 55 like i normally do, and he was driving about 75, so i let him pass me, and I go to catch up to him to see if he wants to play, and he must have heard the turbo starting to spool and he took off when i was about 4 or 5 trucks back, guess he didn't wanna loose. and having 4.10's and a 4spd, I don't go much past 105, and him in a dirtymax having a 6spd can run past 120, he must have had some 60hp tune in the truck because it was hazing a little. Im not scared to loose, either becuase I've had my ass handed to me by a red 1997 toyota supra i saw on 384 but i just wanted to see what his car had. I expected to loose.

Im located right by the manchester town line, I saw a black duramax full of advertising for a siding company on 84E by manchester/vernon one night a few months back and i was driving 55 like i normally do, and he was driving about 75, so i let him pass me, and I go to catch up to him to see if he wants to play, and he must have heard the turbo starting to spool

He heard a stock 12 valve tiny HX35w start to spool from 5 truck lengths away? HA ok...RIGHT. With a non-stock exhaust you can barely hear those things spool inside the cab (let alone from 5 truck lengths away), even with the silencer ring removed.

Jeez how many accidents have you caused so far by going 55mph on I84? Im guessing more than a few, seeing as the speed limit is 65mph and no one ever goes slower than 75.

and he took off when i was about 4 or 5 trucks back, guess he didn't wanna loose. and having 4.10's and a 4spd, I don't go much past 105, and him in a dirtymax having a 6spd can run past 120,

First of all, how do you know that dmax had a 6-speed? Your truck will go a lot faster than 105 with a 4kgsk. The 47re has almost the same 4th gear as the allison's 5th gear.

4500 dollars for a fully built dodge trans? Yikes. I have 2700 in mine (I built it 130k miles ago) and its good for 800rwhp on all stock internal hard parts.......So the dodge doesnt quite have it all...your engine stock hard parts dont need much attention, and our trans stock hard parts dont need much attention. ;)

I did 458/1053 stock turbo, stock exhaust housing, there was more in it, but i didn't tune the pump very much....

good luck getting more out of it, or towing with it, or controlling smoke, or starting at -25* with 18* of timing, or being 1/10 as streetable as a completely stock dmax with 460rwhp. ;)

I would watch your head gasket at 18* as well......... :eek:

He heard a stock 12 valve tiny HX35w start to spool from 5 truck lengths away? HA ok...RIGHT. With a non-stock exhaust you can barely hear those things spool inside the cab (let alone from 5 truck lengths away), even with the silencer ring removed.

Jeez how many accidents have you caused so far by going 55mph on I84? Im guessing more than a few, seeing as the speed limit is 65mph and no one ever goes slower than 75.



First of all, how do you know that dmax had a 6-speed? Your truck will go a lot faster than 105 with a 4kgsk. The 47re has almost the same 4th gear as the allison's 5th gear.

4500 dollars for a fully built dodge trans? Yikes. I have 2700 in mine (I built it 130k miles ago) and its good for 800rwhp on all stock internal hard parts.......So the dodge doesnt quite have it all...your engine stock hard parts dont need much attention, and our trans stock hard parts dont need much attention. ;)

4500 for parts/labor and pulling the tranny. I just dropped the truck off and picked it up with a the tranny all done. I realize my truck will go faster when revved to 4000rpm, but i don't need to rev it that far so I don't. and i grenaded my stock turbo after abusing the snot out of it on the street for about 7 or 8 months at 458whp my egt's were very hot. so but if I drove the truck normally and had a wastegate on it, it would have lasted alot longer. and i agree the stock turbo is quiet. i had a stock turbo on in both those dyno runs. but those were over a year old , I have a turbo similar to a aurora 5000 from ats, but this turbo was built first by pius at bell turbo in oregon.

good luck getting more out of it, or towing with it, or controlling smoke, or starting at -25* with 18* of timing, or being 1/10 as streetable as a completely stock dmax with 460rwhp. ;)

I would watch your head gasket at 18* as well......... :eek:

my truck has been at 18* for around 2 yrs now, and starts fine whatever the temperature, and without being plugged it. And i had plenty of smoke control with the stock turbo, and was able to tow everything i needed to and still can with my big single.

97dodgectd

DURATOTHEMAX isn't a Cummins idiot FYI. He works on all makes, models, configurations, etc of diesels. He is fairly comparing the trucks from his experiences between the two. I own two 12v's, and a Dmax, I know for a FACT, as does he, that it's cheaper to push power reliably as a WHOLE VEHICLE with the Duramax vs. the Dodge. Seriously, exhaust, gauges, EFILive tune (you can get tuned by a tuner for way less than the purchase price if you know the right people ;)), and a Transgo VB kit depending on the tune. To do that power in the a Dodge reliably, day after day, all temps, towing, etc you are talking MAJOR money in comparison.

He just recently worked on two 12v's at his shop. One being fully built Goerend tranny (all billet shafts/flexplate/tripple disc), 362 (62/65/13SS), 5x.014" Weston injectors, he swapped in the new injection pump (yes, another dead "invincible p7100":p:), timed it, 4.10's in the axles, etc.

The other is a "stock" 12v/tranny other than KDP tabbed, 4kGSK, timing, ground plate, Goerend VB, 4.10's, etc.

He's familiar with the trucks, working on them, what they can and can't do, and how much reliable HP costs...;) And "HP" on a dyno is just complete bull poop for the most part anyways from personal Dyno runs VS what the they do on the street/racing/towing in the real world.

chevy's aren't that bad a truck, they have nicer interior, better ride quality, stop quicker, and can get better fuel economy with a good efi live tune, but being 18 when i bought my truck a duramax was more then i wanted spend by a lot, so i had to settle for a dodge, but knew what the cummins 12v was capable of, so i jumped in and bought my truck.

my truck has been at 18* for around 2 yrs now, and starts fine whatever the temperature, and without being plugged it. And i had plenty of smoke control with the stock turbo, and was able to tow everything i needed to and still can with my big single.

you can tow at 460rwhp on a stock turbo with a 12 valve??? Whats your secret? :)

CT doesnt have cold temperatures...thats not a very good example of "starting well whatever the temperature". ;)

ben

my truck has been at 18* for around 2 yrs now, and starts fine whatever the temperature, and without being plugged it. And i had plenty of smoke control with the stock turbo, and was able to tow everything i needed to and still can with my big single.

Yeah you were told it's at 18*. Without doing it yourself, you don't really know ;). To have the head gasket in most 12v's to survive at 18* you have to know how to drive it, and drive it according to not blow the gasket, fwiw.

Exactly, with that HP range you couldn't tow with the stock turbo could you, that's why you have a bigger single?

you can tow at 460rwhp on a stock turbo with a 12 valve??? Whats your secret? :)

CT doesnt have cold temperatures...thats not a very good example of "starting well whatever the temperature". ;)

the secret is having 4.10's and only towing 3-4000lbs which consisted of a 2 axle car trailer and an eagle talon....now towing a skid steer that weighs 8,000lbs would be out of the question or very toasty idk, I don't need to use my truck for that, i tow my buddy's cars, and my little landscape trailer. my dads truck a 95 2500 with a cummins tows his skid steer and mini excavator, but he as a 5spd, and much milder setup for towing.

Yeah you were told it's at 18*. Without doing it yourself, you don't really know ;). To have the head gasket in most 12v's to survive at 18* you have to know how to drive it, and drive it according to not blow the gasket, fwiw.

Exactly, with that HP range you couldn't tow with the stock turbo could you, that's why you have a bigger single?

like i said before i could tow whatever I needed to tow, and still can. :)

so explain to me why you hate cummins? Cause I like duramaxes and might even buy one for my next truck, but i won't be building it much because im not gonna chance throwing a rod.

like i said before i could tow whatever I needed to tow, and still can. :)

so explain to me why you hate cummins? Cause I like duramaxes and might even buy one for my next truck, but i won't be building it much because im not gonna chance throwing a rod.

I never said I hate Cummins. I prefer the Duramax/Allison set up, and it was MUCH cheaper to get the same power as the Cummins, and I can still tow whatever I throw at it (mostly seem to be towing broken down 12v's actually...:p:). You won't toss a Dmax rod unless you are a complete idiot and can't tell the motor isn't running as it should.

you can make your dmax fast enough to kill just about anything on the street and still be perfectly reliable on all stock engine parts.

Im talking high 11's in a crew cab is where you start running on borrowed time... The reason you hear of so many blowing up is because they are so easy to make fast, and anyone can go out and buy efilive and start tuning without knowing what they are doing......bad tuning can blow up an engine quite fast.... :)

ben

you can make your dmax fast enough to kill just about anything on the street and still be perfectly reliable on all stock engine parts.

Im talking high 11's in a crew cab is where you start running on borrowed time... The reason you hear of so many blowing up is because they are so easy to make fast, and anyone can go out and buy efilive and start tuning without knowing what they are doing......bad tuning can blow up an engine quite fast.... :)

ben

I c i've heard of the same thing happening with 6.0's and headgaskets.
where abouts are you in CT, I'd like to go for a ride your truck, see what they can do. If I do ever get a duramax, i'd probably run some of moonshine diesels tunes, since they are close.