Guys i am thinking of installing the ppe lift pump, i seen several threads about this but i haven't seen the question that i was looking for. Well i use my truck as a daily driver and was wondering if it would have an issue running the lift pump at all times or am i going to need a switch? I did see a great set-up someone did which included a check valve props to him.

I use mine as a daily driver and have had it on for 3 months now and no probs. It was kinda a rushed install so it doesn't look as pretty as most peoples but it works. I have been thinkin of running mine on a switch just to relieve some strain on it. And maybe prolong the life.

I use mine as a daily driver and have had it on for 3 months now and no probs. It was kinda a rushed install so it doesn't look as pretty as most peoples but it works. I have been thinkin of running mine on a switch just to relieve some strain on it. And maybe prolong the life.

Thanks for there reply.

The PPE pumps are meant to run when the motor is running, we have had one unit fail out of a numerous units installed, they are reliable and inexpensive. Let me know if I can help.

Chad

The PPE pumps are meant to run when the motor is running, we have had one unit fail out of a numerous units installed, they are reliable and inexpensive. Let me know if I can help.

Chad

Agreed I have had my PPE pump for about 1 1/2 years and it comes on with the ignition never any problems.

The PPE pumps are meant to run when the motor is running, we have had one unit fail out of a numerous units installed, they are reliable and inexpensive. Let me know if I can help.

Chad


Thanks Chad I will see what I do. I will probably cal you tomorrow for the egr blocker for now.

The PPE pumps are meant to run when the motor is running, we have had one unit fail out of a numerous units installed, they are reliable and inexpensive. Let me know if I can help.

Chad
TH WHINE IS ANOYING AS HELL, WHEN RUNNING ALL THE TIME

I use mine as a daily driver and had zero problems so far. I bought it used and had to make my own bracket to hold the pump. A little crude and not near as nice as some of the installs I've seen, but it works great. I had an extra toggle switch open on my Attitude mount so I just wired it to that switch. Yes, the PPE does whine a bit, but by the time I get driving down the road with the radio on, I can't hear it at all. The PPE pump does flow through "somewhat" without the pump running. What I mean is the truck will run, but when I step down on the throttle, you can def tel it's not getting fuel.

Here's a few pics of my install. Like I said, a little crude, but it works!

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=69765&d=1216731121

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=69764&d=1216731112

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=69763&d=1216731080

I use mine as a daily driver and had zero problems so far. I bought it used and had to make my own bracket to hold the pump. A little crude and not near as nice as some of the installs I've seen, but it works great. I had an extra toggle switch open on my Attitude mount so I just wired it to that switch. Yes, the PPE does whine a bit, but by the time I get driving down the road with the radio on, I can't hear it at all. The PPE pump does flow through "somewhat" without the pump running. What I mean is the truck will run, but when I step down on the throttle, you can def tel it's not getting fuel.

Here's a few pics of my install. Like I said, a little crude, but it works!

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=69765&d=1216731121

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=69764&d=1216731112

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=69763&d=1216731080

Hey thanks, at least i got a good idea of what i got to do. Now i just got to get my programmer running rite due to the speed limiter not working but thats off topic.Thanks again for the pics.

TH WHINE IS ANOYING AS HELL, WHEN RUNNING ALL THE TIME

I never said it was quiet;)

TH WHINE IS ANOYING AS HELL, WHEN RUNNING ALL THE TIME


I have TTS pump and i can't tell it's on. Felt it and couldn't tell. Cracked the bleed screw on the filter housing while engine was running and had fuel spurt out, so it was running, but as close to silent as I can imagine.

jb

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241665&page=2

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=241665&page=2


Thanks been lots of help.

TH WHINE IS ANOYING AS HELL, WHEN RUNNING ALL THE TIME


Turn the pressure down! what do you have it set at?

i was thinking of getting a ppe lift pump. i've heard that its a good idea if your running a chip. i see that the factory pressure is set at 12 psi, what should a guy run? does the ppe have any problems with sucking air if the fuel tank gets low? that would be the only reason why i would question putting is on a toggle switch. is it a very hard installation? do you have to cut the fuel lines or anything??

i was thinking of getting a ppe lift pump. i've heard that its a good idea if your running a chip. i see that the factory pressure is set at 12 psi, what should a guy run? does the ppe have any problems with sucking air if the fuel tank gets low? that would be the only reason why i would question putting is on a toggle switch. is it a very hard installation? do you have to cut the fuel lines or anything??

12 psi is fine, and is the industry standard for lift pumps for the Bosch CP3. As far as installation goes, you will need to get a mounting plate (we use aluminum sheets and mount to the c channel). You will also need to find some 1/2" diesel rated fuel line(approx 7 feet if you do it that way I describe), push lock fuel fittings to attach the fuel line to the pump, two 3/4" hose clamps, about 12 feet of 18 gauge red wire, 18" of 18 ga. black wire, a couple of connectors and a add-a-circut. It normally takes us 2 hours start to finsh

If you don't want to modify your stock steel lines, you can do what we do and remove the suction line from the top of the tank and behind the fuel cooler and route your new lines from the tank to the pump, then back to the connection point behind the fuel cooler, this way, if the pump ever fails you can re-attach the factory suction line.

This type of pump does not have 1/4 tank issue, the FASS does when you install their suction tube into the tank, instead of using the stock sending unit.

As far as a toggle switch, I have installed one on my truck so that I can turn it off when I leave it for extended periods of time (think add'l security system) or so that I can load a tune w/o it on and sucking down the battery while I'm loading a tune.

wire it up to a key on 12v source and be done with it. don't worry about a switch.

I did the same set-up that (70) did he posted the thread with the picture and part numbers. Yes if you do it that way with a check valve you will need to cut your stock line about 16 to 18 inches to have room to install the pump and hardware. While I am loading a tune I just remove the in line fuse on the relay. It is a bit loud but once you are driving you really can't hear it.

my ppe just quit working after 2 months, everything inside was clean and not clogged. I switched to air dog.

my ppe just quit working after 2 months, everything inside was clean and not clogged. I switched to air dog.

Debris from the tank... mine is 2 years old and has not failed.

well if you want a quiet lift pump kennedy diesel is the way to go you have to lay under the truck and feel it to know its on and working I have the Kennedy Diesel twin pump filter combo everything kit and love it it flows 120gph at 8-9psi and I also have the MITUSA gusher belt driven 275gph lift pump order and on the way so I know I'll have plenty of fuel.

hey guys i know this probably sounds dumb but what do lift pumos do? do they just push more fuel in?

hey guys i know this probably sounds dumb but what do lift pumos do? do they just push more fuel in?


System uses vacuum to suck the fuel up to the pump. It is HARD to control vacuum, but pretty easy to contain pressure. When you get a tiny vacuum leak, you stop with no codes etc. When you get a tiny pressure leak you get a drip on the pavement, but keep running.

High HP guys need more fuel than vacuum can supply and dual pumps do it. Stock guys like me, just don't trust all those lines and fittings not to get an air leak and leave me stuck. The main CP3 pump also is supposed to last better with a few psi feed pressure.

A pump is also the way to go for priming a fuel filter!

jb

Debris from the tank... mine is 2 years old and has not failed.


it was clean, nothin inside it, the screen filter looked new. It just quit

what kinda pump is best? how much do they run?

i have had the Edelbroke that is the exact same as the PPE and it failed on me they didn't want to warranty it but the guy i bought it from gave me a new one because i hadn't had it but a couple months so if it happens again i will be going to the PPE i have one on my VO tank and it has worked flawless it can pull oil thru a dirty filter

ok so i got a quadzilla stealth 2 tuner set @ 135 and a turbo back exhaust. would i need a lift pump?

Probably not, the guys told me I would not need one until I pass level 5 on my ppe and I have to get a trans before I do that..

unless you feel the truck just falling flat on its face when you get to the upper rpms then you need one i can tell the difference from when i had one to when i didn't

could you tell a difference in the lower tunes like 100hp-150hp?? i have a PPE lift pump that i want to put on, i was thinking of turning down the factory psi from 12psi to like around 8psi or 10psi. do you think that would quiet down the pump so it isn't as noisy as they say and still do me some good??

could you tell a difference in the lower tunes like 100hp-150hp?? i have a PPE lift pump that i want to put on, i was thinking of turning down the factory psi from 12psi to like around 8psi or 10psi. do you think that would quiet down the pump so it isn't as noisy as they say and still do me some good??

I really don't think it would make to much of a difference but i could be wrong??? It probably would bring the sound down a bit but not much.

no turning down the pressure will not make the pump quieter the pump has a internal regulator the noise is coming from the motor on the pump the only way to quiet it down would to be to have less power going to the pump which would be like your house fan that is controlled from the wall with a fan control the more you turn the switch the more power goes to it and the faster the fan goes that is what you would have to do to the pump then. the noise of these pumps is not bad there are times i really have to listen for the pump but other times i can hear it just fine if you aren't running a pressure gauge on your fuel line then i would rather hear my pump going and know it is working then to have a pump i can't hear and never really know if its always working

should i turn down the pressure or just leave it where it is at? i usually run on PPE setting 90 hp for economy. but once in a while for racing or dicking around i run on 160 hp or 225 hp. the pump should help me out on the higher tunes?? or am i just wishful thinking. some day when i get some more funds and am able to put in a torque converter or maybe even a full tranny i would like to up my tunes into the 300 to 350hp levels.

no turning down the pressure will not make the pump quieter the pump has a internal regulator the noise is coming from the motor on the pump the only way to quiet it down would to be to have less power going to the pump which would be like your house fan that is controlled from the wall with a fan control the more you turn the switch the more power goes to it and the faster the fan goes that is what you would have to do to the pump then. the noise of these pumps is not bad there are times i really have to listen for the pump but other times i can hear it just fine if you aren't running a pressure gauge on your fuel line then i would rather hear my pump going and know it is working then to have a pump i can't hear and never really know if its always working

This is incorrect. If the pump is making less pressure it is using less current and WILL be less noisy.

if i put a switch on the pump so it isn't running when i am in stock or the lower tunes, would it create a small blockage or anything so that the stock pump has a harder time pulling fuel though it? or would it have no affect just no lift pump?

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