ms244
10-21-2008, 11:51 PM
My friend bought a truck recently but its got some problems. Maybe the
collective mind can help him and me fix it.
Truck in question is a 1997 Chevy Dually with 6.5T and 227K miles.
Turbo is a 1999+ model (replaced by PO).
When the truck is cold it starts up fine with one turn or less.
After is warms up it switches to rough operation and stumbling and
begins to spew a lot of gray smoke.
The check engine light comes on with p0216 codes and p1214 codes.
The pmd has been relocated to the cab and the optical sensor replaced.
Additionally, a different servo motor on the pump has been tried. None
of these changed the operation.
Not sure where to proceed next, but we think its something
temperature related. I.E once the truck warms up something trips, but
what we are unsure.
Here is a filled out checklist Thanks for you help guys.
0. Describe in detail the problem you are having. Please be as descriptive as possible.
Once truck warms up, it begins to run very roughly and spew a lot of gray smoke. It also shows engine check codes P0216 and P1214.
1. Does the engine crank, or 'turn over'?
Yes, no problems. Starts within 1/2 or 1 turn
1a. Does the engine start and run?
Yes
1a1. If the engine does not start - Crack injector line (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2188140#post2188140): do you have fuel? Yes/No
N/A
1b. Do you have a Wait To Start Light & the amount of time (seconds) lit.
Yes, around 10 seconds
1c. Ambient Condition (temperature outside indicate F or C) _____ °
60 Degrees
1d. Engine Cranking speed (if you have an accurate tachometer).
750 Rpm
1e. Are you experiencing stalling?
Sometimes, during warmup.
1f. If Stalling, describe (upon startup only, down the road, hit a bump etc)
Occasionally, during startup .
When it warms up it makes an oink noise like a pig then begins to run roughly.
1g. If Stalling, do you notice loss of dash or instruments?
-note if experiencing stalling,you must indicate PMD location in #24.
1h. Check turbo inlet and air filter for obstructions. Cone filters have lost disk and stopped air to turbo.
Filter OK
1.1 Lift pump test (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39350)- describe results
Lift pump ok
2. Service Engine Light while running?- on/off/intermittent
Once warm, it gives P0216 and P1214
2a. Service Engine light does glow during start/cranking/bulb check: NO
3. Model year
1997
3a. Odometer reading (indicate if in miles or km)
227K
3b. Miles on major engine components if been replaced (example Injection pump)
Turbo replaced
3c. Indicate the model number on the Injection pump (starts DS4 or DB2......)
DS4
4. Have you scanned for engine codes? (varies by pre/post 96) yes/no
Yes
5. List exact results on engine codes (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/dtc.php):
PO216 & P1214
6. Air Filter condition (visual check)
Good shape
7. Fuel filter condition (freshly changed/condition unknown/mileage since changed)
Changed recently
8. Condition of Battery terminal connections (removed, cleaned and tightened)
Good
8a. Known condition and age of the batteries.
both New
8b. Are batteries of differing age or are they a matched set?
Matched set
8c. Condition of Major Grounds (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157085). (same drill as batt - removed, cleaned, retightened)
All fine
9. Upon cold start, does the radiator hose get hard quickly? Yes/no
Yes
10. Upon cold start, do you have excessive white smoke? Yes/no
no
11. Do you have excessive cranking time before the engine starts?
No
12. Have you used the block heater, and does this effect engine starting?(only try for starting problems)
NO
13. During hard acceleration, do you have excessive black smoke? Yes/no
No
14. Do you have any unusual exhaust smoke issues?
Gray smoke after warm up
15. Turbo check out (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39368)- pass/fail
didn't check
16. Do you have an EGR on the engine? (An F or an S engine code 8th VIN digit)
Don't know
17. Indicate if you know if it’s a 1500, 2500, 2500HD, 3500, 3500HD.
3500 Dually
18. Indicate fuel that you are using: Bio-diesel, #2 Diesel, #1Diesel, SVO/WVO, other
Regular #2 diesel out of the pump
19. Are you using any fuel additives? If so, please list.
No
20. Please indicate geographic region you are in: (example: Texas or Canada)
Virginia
21. Do you have any service history available that might pertain to the problem you are having?
NO
22. Please indicate any modifications to the vehicle that might help us diagnose better.
All factory except for PMD relocation to cab
23. Upon unscrewing the fuel cap (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42338), do you have a large vacuum formed in the tank? yes/no
No
24. Location of PMD/FSD (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39436)? On the pump/remoted over intake/remoted out of engine bay (please specify placement specifically)
PMD relocated to the inside of the cab and fitted with a heat sink
24a. If remote mounted, describe wiring harness (homemade or purchased from a vendor?)
Extended factory harness, i.e. homemade
24b. Indicate the location and condition of the FSD/IP grounding wire.
On block
25. Are ALL glow plugs in proper working order as per this thread (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39182)?
Glow plugs ok
collective mind can help him and me fix it.
Truck in question is a 1997 Chevy Dually with 6.5T and 227K miles.
Turbo is a 1999+ model (replaced by PO).
When the truck is cold it starts up fine with one turn or less.
After is warms up it switches to rough operation and stumbling and
begins to spew a lot of gray smoke.
The check engine light comes on with p0216 codes and p1214 codes.
The pmd has been relocated to the cab and the optical sensor replaced.
Additionally, a different servo motor on the pump has been tried. None
of these changed the operation.
Not sure where to proceed next, but we think its something
temperature related. I.E once the truck warms up something trips, but
what we are unsure.
Here is a filled out checklist Thanks for you help guys.
0. Describe in detail the problem you are having. Please be as descriptive as possible.
Once truck warms up, it begins to run very roughly and spew a lot of gray smoke. It also shows engine check codes P0216 and P1214.
1. Does the engine crank, or 'turn over'?
Yes, no problems. Starts within 1/2 or 1 turn
1a. Does the engine start and run?
Yes
1a1. If the engine does not start - Crack injector line (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2188140#post2188140): do you have fuel? Yes/No
N/A
1b. Do you have a Wait To Start Light & the amount of time (seconds) lit.
Yes, around 10 seconds
1c. Ambient Condition (temperature outside indicate F or C) _____ °
60 Degrees
1d. Engine Cranking speed (if you have an accurate tachometer).
750 Rpm
1e. Are you experiencing stalling?
Sometimes, during warmup.
1f. If Stalling, describe (upon startup only, down the road, hit a bump etc)
Occasionally, during startup .
When it warms up it makes an oink noise like a pig then begins to run roughly.
1g. If Stalling, do you notice loss of dash or instruments?
-note if experiencing stalling,you must indicate PMD location in #24.
1h. Check turbo inlet and air filter for obstructions. Cone filters have lost disk and stopped air to turbo.
Filter OK
1.1 Lift pump test (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39350)- describe results
Lift pump ok
2. Service Engine Light while running?- on/off/intermittent
Once warm, it gives P0216 and P1214
2a. Service Engine light does glow during start/cranking/bulb check: NO
3. Model year
1997
3a. Odometer reading (indicate if in miles or km)
227K
3b. Miles on major engine components if been replaced (example Injection pump)
Turbo replaced
3c. Indicate the model number on the Injection pump (starts DS4 or DB2......)
DS4
4. Have you scanned for engine codes? (varies by pre/post 96) yes/no
Yes
5. List exact results on engine codes (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/dtc.php):
PO216 & P1214
6. Air Filter condition (visual check)
Good shape
7. Fuel filter condition (freshly changed/condition unknown/mileage since changed)
Changed recently
8. Condition of Battery terminal connections (removed, cleaned and tightened)
Good
8a. Known condition and age of the batteries.
both New
8b. Are batteries of differing age or are they a matched set?
Matched set
8c. Condition of Major Grounds (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157085). (same drill as batt - removed, cleaned, retightened)
All fine
9. Upon cold start, does the radiator hose get hard quickly? Yes/no
Yes
10. Upon cold start, do you have excessive white smoke? Yes/no
no
11. Do you have excessive cranking time before the engine starts?
No
12. Have you used the block heater, and does this effect engine starting?(only try for starting problems)
NO
13. During hard acceleration, do you have excessive black smoke? Yes/no
No
14. Do you have any unusual exhaust smoke issues?
Gray smoke after warm up
15. Turbo check out (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39368)- pass/fail
didn't check
16. Do you have an EGR on the engine? (An F or an S engine code 8th VIN digit)
Don't know
17. Indicate if you know if it’s a 1500, 2500, 2500HD, 3500, 3500HD.
3500 Dually
18. Indicate fuel that you are using: Bio-diesel, #2 Diesel, #1Diesel, SVO/WVO, other
Regular #2 diesel out of the pump
19. Are you using any fuel additives? If so, please list.
No
20. Please indicate geographic region you are in: (example: Texas or Canada)
Virginia
21. Do you have any service history available that might pertain to the problem you are having?
NO
22. Please indicate any modifications to the vehicle that might help us diagnose better.
All factory except for PMD relocation to cab
23. Upon unscrewing the fuel cap (http://dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42338), do you have a large vacuum formed in the tank? yes/no
No
24. Location of PMD/FSD (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39436)? On the pump/remoted over intake/remoted out of engine bay (please specify placement specifically)
PMD relocated to the inside of the cab and fitted with a heat sink
24a. If remote mounted, describe wiring harness (homemade or purchased from a vendor?)
Extended factory harness, i.e. homemade
24b. Indicate the location and condition of the FSD/IP grounding wire.
On block
25. Are ALL glow plugs in proper working order as per this thread (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39182)?
Glow plugs ok