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: Hauling cap for 3500 DRW??


Dagwood_55
10-12-2008, 07:22 PM
Wanting to buy a new truck camper, but will have to get the truck to haul it first. I've just spent the last hour on the Chevy website and still havent found the info.

But what is the max wt I can haul on a 08 Diesel CC 4x4 DRW truck?

Sorry if I'm too much of a dummy to find the info on Chebys site...

juneau92
10-12-2008, 07:54 PM
I just got my dually not long ago, and tow a very light trailer with it, so there are far more experienced folks here than myself. But, I think it would be the same as the "pin weight" of a 5th wheel trailer or gooseneck, or also the same as the truck's payload capacity, which I believe is 4706 pounds for a 08 dually cc lb 4x4. Someone will correct me I'm sure if I'm mistaken. Great trucks these are! :)

kawginn77
10-12-2008, 08:43 PM
The GVWR is what both axles on the truck can weight max, my 02 GMC DRW is 11500, the truck weights roughly 7500-8000 pounds. That means you can haul 3500-4000 lbs.
Which includes but is not limited too what people call pin weight. But in laymans terms it is the truck loaded or tounge weight or slide in camper weight. Not too be confused with GCWR which is the truck and trailer total.

cbrew2001
10-12-2008, 09:10 PM
This web address has some helpful charts. It gives you the tools to figure a 2007. http://www.dmbruss.com/zRedRover/RR_WhyBigTruck.htm

OldSoldier
10-13-2008, 10:36 AM
If you want the cargo capacity, look at the Tire and Loading Information sticker on the left rear door panel...it will give you the cargo capacity to the nearest one pound.

If you want the towing capacity, take the weight of the truck (ready and loaded to tow) and subtract it from the GCWR, which is 23,500. As an example if the truck is at max weight (like towing a 5th wheel), which is 11,400, the max tow weight would be 12,100....23,500 - 11,400.

Gruber
10-13-2008, 09:15 PM
I have a 2004 and mine has a tag in the glove box that tells me the cargo wt of my vehicle. Suprisingly enough it's 3871 Lbs. I have a Lance 2001 1121 that weighs 3700lbs dry. I put my truck on a scale in town and it went 11,700 lb witht the camper loaded and me and the GF in the cab. Note I have a 4X4 which makes the truck heavier and reduces the cargo load.

I have 51,000 miles on the truck and 70% of that has been with the camper on:) You definitely need a dually and do yourself a favor by putting on air bags and a sway bar kit. I have the Frederico and it eliminated 75-80 of the sway while cornering. Definitely worth the money! I wouldn't worry about going over a little on the cargo wt. especially if you add the above items. Just don't haul around a bunch of water or waste water. Believe me it all adds up. Feel free to pm me if you have other questions.........

OldSoldier
10-14-2008, 04:17 PM
[quote=Gruber;2900857]I have a 2004 and mine has a tag in the glove box that tells me the cargo wt of my vehicle. Squote]

That's the wrong sticker. That sticker is for a slide in camper, which assumes you'll have one person at 150 lbs in each seat. Add 150 lbs for each seat in your truck for the total cargo capacity.

As an example, I have a crew cab, five seats, the sticker in the glove box says 3507, the cargo capcity on the Tire and Loading Information sticker (left rear door post) says 4257. 4257 - 3507 = 750 or 5 seats at 150 each.

Gruber
10-14-2008, 06:09 PM
Wanting to buy a new truck camper, but will have to get the truck to haul it first. I've just spent the last hour on the Chevy website and still havent found the info.

But what is the max wt I can haul on a 08 Diesel CC 4x4 DRW truck?

Sorry if I'm too much of a dummy to find the info on Chebys site...
That's the wrong sticker. That sticker is for a slide in camper, which assumes you'll have one person at 150 lbs in each seat. Add 150 lbs for each seat in your truck for the total cargo capacity.

It seemed to me that's what he was asking:) Where did you get the info for the 150lb passenger stuff

Fire44
10-14-2008, 07:16 PM
I have a 08 3500 Crew Cab dually diesel here on the lot, the shipping weight is 7334. It has a GVWR of 11,400, so you would have a total available payload of about 4000 pounds, less fuel, people and the misc junk we all carry.

Gary

Fire44
10-14-2008, 07:54 PM
I just walked out on the lot and looked at the sticker in the glove box, it reads:

Max payload 2911 pounds
Dimension "A" 32"
Dimension "B" 0"

If you do the math it looks close to the 4066 pounds that I quoted:
4066-900 (6 people at 150 pounds each)= 3166-255 (34 gallons of diesel @ 7.5 per gallon)= 2911

Sometimes I amaze myself!!!!

Gary

CHV_FRK
10-15-2008, 07:38 AM
The GVWR is what both axles on the truck can weight max,

Be careful, because this is not true. If you add those two you will come up with alot more than your GVWR. This is due to varying weight distribution. That being said, people do exceed that with the reasoning that they are not overloading the axles. Braking is probably the major concern exceeding this number. Once you get into a trailer scenario then you can somewhat figure that the additional trailer brakes will assist with stopping.

OldSoldier
10-15-2008, 07:41 PM
[quote=Gruber;2900857]I have a 2004 and mine has a tag in the glove box that tells me the cargo wt of my vehicle. Squote]

That's the wrong sticker. That sticker is for a slide in camper, which assumes you'll have one person at 150 lbs in each seat. Add 150 lbs for each seat in your truck for the total cargo capacity.

As an example, I have a crew cab, five seats, the sticker in the glove box says 3507, the cargo capcity on the Tire and Loading Information sticker (left rear door post) says 4257. 4257 - 3507 = 750 or 5 seats at 150 each.

As I noted above, there are TWO stickers...one for slide in campers and one for total cargo capcity. To answer an earlier question the 150 lbs comes from the math above...check it out, they are in two different places.

Missy Good Wench
10-17-2008, 09:45 AM
I have had 2 tons in the bed of my dually (95 6.5)
This was two pallets of wood pellets for the stove.
The truck handles is fine but this sort of load is pushing the capacity to its upper limits.

Staying within the GVW rating is always a good idea especially when hauling a camper.
The safety issue is the one I look at.
Short hauls that are large are not a big deal as long as one takes precautions and drives accordingly.

Some the huge campers can task even the best DaHoooooley's out there.

Best

MGW

kawginn77
10-17-2008, 08:24 PM
Be careful, because this is not true. If you add those two you will come up with alot more than your GVWR. This is due to varying weight distribution. That being said, people do exceed that with the reasoning that they are not overloading the axles. Braking is probably the major concern exceeding this number. Once you get into a trailer scenario then you can somewhat figure that the additional trailer brakes will assist with stopping.

Very True You usually will weight alot more than than that, but manufactures due it for a reason. Biggest being warranty i.e. overloaded Manufacturer's recommended ratings, take a look at the truck putting more than 3500-4000 on any given truck can and will cause damage too chassis and drivetrain. They just aren't designed too haul more than that,
Second is with large enough trailers some states that your in will require a CDL, and with a camper that would be a real pain.
That being said i have loaded my truck to the max and then some over 30,000 lbs. truck and trailer loaded. It handeled it great but i wouldn't due 100,000 miles like that

schillster1
10-19-2008, 05:45 PM
Check out my garage. I haul a Lance 1181 and my boat behind. It handles it great. I highly recommend using air bags. They really help with the stability! By the way, the Lance is now for sale! If you're interested, let me know!

AaronC11
10-26-2008, 02:07 AM
Without a weight declaration you're limited to your GVWR. Otherwise you can bump the weight to 15k on the truck alone. My combination I can register for 35k (truck/trailer). I haul heavy weight everyday, have 68k on the truck with 0 issues.

big block 88
10-26-2008, 03:34 AM
Well it depends on if you want to go by the book which we do not on any of our trucks, our 03 LB7 dooley see a 48 foot 6 horse slant fully loaded with the water tanks full the GCWR is pushin 30,000 pounds but the truck doesn't break a sweat. So it is all about how much you are comfortable with IMO.

OldSoldier
10-26-2008, 01:48 PM
Well it depends on if you want to go by the book which we do not on any of our trucks, our 03 LB7 dooley see a 48 foot 6 horse slant fully loaded with the water tanks full the GCWR is pushin 30,000 pounds but the truck doesn't break a sweat. So it is all about how much you are comfortable with IMO.

You might check with an attorney and see how much he/she is 'comfortable with' if you are in an accident, at fault and several tons over weight.:D

big block 88
10-27-2008, 12:42 AM
It's gotta move and the insurance company knows full well what we are pullin. I can tell you right now if we get in a wreck the truck and trailer will be the least amount of concerns, some of those horses she hauls are way more $ than the truck and trailer.

serpa4
10-27-2008, 10:00 AM
I run at 13,000 on the nose all the time, 2 years, with my truck camper on board. The truck is about 7,500 and the TC is 5,500 lbs. Then I throw on my 23 ft boat at 5,000 lbs behind it with a 4 foot extension to reach out under my camper. It hauls it very well. I have removed the factory overload spring and had a local shop put in a 5 pack spring set for about $350. All up at about 60-62 mph I get 13 mpg 13.5 tops and average about 12.5 mpg. My truck mods are in my sig block. All loaded to roll, it sits level and does not sag. I don't carry water in my TC though as it would add another 400+ lbs. P.S. there is not a law against being over the trucks sticker. That topic has been fought 100s of times on the truck camper forums....

OldSoldier
10-27-2008, 02:51 PM
It's gotta move and the insurance company knows full well what we are pullin. I can tell you right now if we get in a wreck the truck and trailer will be the least amount of concerns, some of those horses she hauls are way more $ than the truck and trailer.

I'm not talking about what you are carrying, but the 'other' people in the wreck...they will be the suers, you will be the suee...get out your check book.

big block 88
10-28-2008, 12:42 AM
Didn't you start up this arguement with me like 8 months ago too in another thread? Why would we wreck? As I stated before the truck handles it fine, with no problems that means that it isn't dangerous to us or anyone else around. These trucks are very strong and tuff, they where built to haul more than campers for retired folks.

OldSoldier
10-29-2008, 02:11 PM
Didn't you start up this arguement with me like 8 months ago too in another thread? Why would we wreck? As I stated before the truck handles it fine, with no problems that means that it isn't dangerous to us or anyone else around. These trucks are very strong and tuff, they where built to haul more than campers for retired folks.

Eight months ago...beats me...too long ago to remember!:D

I'm not saying you will be in a wreck, nor am I saying the truck doesn't 'handle' fine...what I'm saying is you could be in an accident...an event that is not wanted or planned...that's why they call them accidents. If that should happen, and you are at fault and over loaded, you expose yourself to a great deal of liability because you are exceeding the manufacturer's specs for the truck. That's why I suggested talking to an attorney...that's what I did. Based on his advice, I took the safe and sure way out and got a dually, which is never over loaded, at least with what I am towing now.

It's your stuff and your decision...I don't care what you do, I'm just telling you my real life experience. I'm not willing to risk all my possessions so I can drive a smaller truck...if you are, that's fine.

Dueling-in-MD
11-02-2008, 10:24 AM
[quote=Gruber;2900857]I have a 2004 and mine has a tag in the glove box that tells me the cargo wt of my vehicle. Squote]

That's the wrong sticker. That sticker is for a slide in camper, which assumes you'll have one person at 150 lbs in each seat. Add 150 lbs for each seat in your truck for the total cargo capacity.

As an example, I have a crew cab, five seats, the sticker in the glove box says 3507, the cargo capcity on the Tire and Loading Information sticker (left rear door post) says 4257. 4257 - 3507 = 750 or 5 seats at 150 each.
crap.
Im officially 1.5 people.

Im a hog I tell you, a hog.

NVRENUF
11-02-2008, 02:12 PM
P.S. there is not a law against being over the trucks sticker. That topic has been fought 100s of times on the truck camper forums....
Where can i find this information? I would think it could vary by state. I would really like to be able to verify this.

Dan in Pasadena
12-07-2008, 03:24 PM
Check out my garage. I haul a Lance 1181 and my boat behind. It handles it great. I highly recommend using air bags. They really help with the stability! By the way, the Lance is now for sale! If you're interested, let me know!

Schillster,
I'm glad I found your post. I have a few questions, but first the facts:

I have a new '08 3500 Crewcab Dually 4x4 - just like yours. I installed Torklift frame mounted tie-downs w/Fastguns, as well as the Airlift airbags literally yesterday. I am going to Colorado next week to pick up a lightly used Lance 1181 - just like yours.

That thing is a big mutha' and the weight worries me. The Lance brochure says the camper weighs 4,019 lbs dry. The water capacity is nuts: 42 gals fresh, 30 gals grey, & 35 gals black.

Do you usually go out with the fresh tank full? I am thinking maybe not.
What air bag inflation pressure are you using when you carry your camper?
How much more (if any) with your boat because I will be towing two Kawasaki 1100cc ski's? One two man, one three man types.
Did you add a rear sway bar? Brand/size? Did you upgrade the front bar too? Size?I have not added a rear sway bar yet but am considering it strongly. My feeling is I am okay with my truck (better be, I spent a fortune on it) but with this payload it seems I will be operating on the upper limits. I will be driving VERY defensively and leaving lots of space between me and other vehicles....no, more than that!:D Any advice appreciated.
Oh and P.S. Did you install an exhaust brake? Do you recommend one? Others, your thoughts on all this?

Captain Nemo
12-08-2008, 01:58 AM
If you want to know what ANY truck or trailer can haul legally or otherwise then use the SWAG (scientific wild ass guess ) method. Read the max weight ratings on the side of your tires and do the multiplication for the number of tires.
If you don't believe me about this method then ask the REAL weight police about it. The Troopers in your state scale shack. You will be able to recognize them. They will be the ones with the pistols strapped outside their coveralls and wearing black boots.
You don't need no stinkin attorney to tell you how to run your life unless you don't have one.