Chris (DrHolliday) ran his LBZ again tonight and wasn't bracket racing so I got him to launch it hard. We put the BFG ATs that I normally run on it but they didn't make a difference for him and his 255-85s ran the same on mine that the BFGs have been - I cut a 1.68 on his 255s and he cut a 1.69 on the BFGs
12.42 @ 106 - does anyone know of a faster LBZ on all stock motor?

His mods are:
SC IV & T-case Brace
5" Down-pipe back Flo Pro
Air Dog 150
Shimmed FPRV
Sleeves & Straight Centerlink
engine and trans tuning
Leaf springs clamped up front.
He has a stock intake on it even.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/marinebroncoii/P1030052.jpg

I was shocked as hell when I picked up the time slip!

Must of been a tail wind ! jk lol
Damn man thats movin for stock turbo LBZ w/ no NOS or adders!!!
Congrats!~! : )

Congrats, great times! Have you guys tested at other tracks?

Problem is most track around here are only 1/8. We have run at farmington raceway, new bern raceway, and I have run at Rockingham raceway the night after running at our local track. My times are consistant at all the tracks I've been to. I might run at Kinston this Thursday but it's gonna be to have my fiance get comfortable running my truck so that she can run it Friday at the NC Drag and Dyno event at Coastal. John Porterfield has run a 11.49 here and a 11.48 in Atlanta. All the cars complain about track prep being poor at this track - especially on Fridays.

I was sitting in the staging lane and my jaw dropped when I saw 12.42, I knew after your first run having a 106 trap speed you'd be running fast last night but didn't expect that fast. I was running low 12.4s like I always do so I can't even contribute it to the air.

I had Chris run on the 285 BFG ATs and I ran on his 255-85s. He cut a 1.69 and I cut 1.68, so the tires are about equal for grip. What I don't get is how my 60' times are so good compared to what I see other people post. I burned out bad off the line last night and still cut a 1.70.

its the stickers that make them go so fast.

That is very cool to back the times up at other tracks. We have a track in the North West that is .3 faster than my home track, think it's short or downhill, or just great air. I've yet to travel there with this truck to see what it can run. I'm usually racing in the 4000-7000D/A here. Maybe a east coast trip is in order!

Congrats again

Our air was great here last night but normally the extremely high humidity brings the D/A way up.

Chris (DrHolliday) ran his LBZ again tonight and wasn't bracket racing so I got him to launch it hard. We put the BFG ATs that I normally run on it but they didn't make a difference for him and his 255-85s ran the same on mine that the BFGs have been - I cut a 1.68 on his 255s and he cut a 1.69 on the BFGs
12.42 @ 106 - does anyone know of a faster LBZ on all stock motor?

His mods are:
SC IV & T-case Brace
5" Down-pipe back Flo Pro
Air Dog 150
Shimmed FPRV
Sleeves & Straight Centerlink
engine and trans tuning
Leaf springs clamped up front.
He has a stock intake on it even.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/marinebroncoii/P1030052.jpg


Really nice times you guys congrats

Skintback in a LLY CCSB 4x4 is the only one that i have watched run a little faster at 12.39 on a first gear launch with basically the same modes

I believe Kat has ran a 12.5 in her crew cab shortbox.

I believe Kat has ran a 12.5 in her crew cab shortbox.

12.63 irc

Kat is the only other LBZ that i know of. Last i saw was 12.65, crew cab though too. Maybe about 200lb difference, which is about a .1 in trucks like ours. Kat also runs a diamond eye and banks ram air plus scoop.

OTHRGRL what are you setting your tire pressure at?

Very, very good times, Holliday

The competition grows even more fierce with the "stock motor" crowd. LOL I've gotta find 4 more tenths somewhere....

Congrats on the times!! Man you guys cut some good 60ft's. Have you guys weighed your trucks as in race weight? I know some tracks are faster than others and where I'm located when I raced bikes I could go a tenth to a tenth and a half faster in Florida being closer to sea level. But that dosen't matter what matters is you guys are getting it done and setting the bar for stock motor and truboed lbz's!

I mean turbo lbz's. My edit function dosen't work:wtf:

Kat has gone 12.65 @ 105 - last week we went 12.60 @ 104 and were quicker but not faster, now we are faster and quicker. EC vs CC is 200 lbs difference which is .1 in our trucks. And as ATVer said she has a banks intake with scoop and a diamond eye downpipe. I run ~40PSI up front and ~32PSI rear, Chris dropped them all a little lower on his truck. Neither of us have weighed in at our race weight - I never even have the same amount of fuel - sometimes I go 1/4 tank or less others I'm full and I run the same both ways. My best runs have been with over 3/4 of tank.

You definatly got the truck working for him. Tuning plays a huge part. I belive you have the fastest or one of the fastest cheetahs running and the fastest and quickest stock lbz's. Don't quote me on that.

Haven't had an arguement on the LBZ yet and I've posted all over the place about it. I'm pretty sure there are other LLY Cheetahs running my times.

I could probably tune some more out of Chris's but I feel very comfortable with how it is running right now and we want it to last him on stock bottom end and head bolts/gaskets. I don't like crazy timing and we are both running stock LBZ CP3s, I think those limiting factors are what will and is keeping my motor together with 70+ passes with the Cheetah, most under a 12.5 with 45+ PSI on stock internals and head bolts; and I drive like an animal on my race tune daily . I try to tune conservative and effecient and it seems to be working very well for Chris and I.

i just cant wait to see what DA can do with my truck

I can't wait to be able to take a truck well beyond what a stock bottom end can handle, hurry up and get through your school.

Congradulations Chris...That's flyin'...Are you running Pat's tuning?

Congradulations Chris...That's flyin'...Are you running Pat's tuning?

Its Dustin's (Othrgrl's) tuning.

Congradulations Chris...That's flyin'...Are you running Pat's tuning?


im pretty sure the title reads DA as in Diesel Addiction. but i shouldnt be saying this:rolleyes:

im pretty sure the title reads DA as in Diesel Addiction. but i shouldnt be saying this:rolleyes:

Well, it WOULD be nice if they paid to advertise like all the other vendors have to, instead of inserting "DA" into every post. :rolleyes: It doesnt take away from their accomplishments, but it isnt exactly on the up-and-up, either.

It has been taken out of my signature. A mod also deleted any reference to "DA" out of Justin's signature. Funny....... I can't even count the people that have "McRat Race tune", "Team Salad", "The Neens tune", ect in their signatures all of which are not supporting vendors of this site.

You don't get it.

Do you ever see McRat bragging about other people's trucks? Nope.
Neen's? Nope.
Team Salad? Nope.

I put McRat tuning in my signature, because it's my truck, and I'm letting people know what's done to my truck. I'm not selling anything, nor will you see the others trying to sell stuff.

Congrats on the other guy's truck! Make your truck run like McRat's truck runs, then you can brag about your own stuff. He threw me the keys to Casper last summer in Texas, and I ran my first 10 second ET in my life.

But you won't see that ET in my signature.

You don't get it.

Do you ever see McRat bragging about other people's trucks? Nope.
Neen's? Nope.
Team Salad? Nope.

I put McRat tuning in my signature, because it's my truck, and I'm letting people know what's done to my truck. I'm not selling anything, nor will you see the others trying to sell stuff.

Congrats on the other guy's truck! Make your truck run like McRat's truck runs, then you can brag about your own stuff. He threw me the keys to Casper last summer in Texas, and I ran my first 10 second ET in my life.

But you won't see that ET in my signature.

well put:cool:

im pretty sure the title reads DA as in Diesel Addiction. but i shouldnt be saying this:rolleyes:

I gave you a compliment...If you and DA can't accept it, that's your problem...I won't respond to his othr comment...

It has been taken out of my signature. A mod also deleted any reference to "DA" out of Justin's signature. Funny....... I can't even count the people that have "McRat Race tune", "Team Salad", "The Neens tune", ect in their signatures all of which are not supporting vendors of this site.

I changed my mind...I do this for fun...It it's a problem for you, send me a PM...Otherwise, don't mention my name, or you'll scare me into mentioning your's...

It has been taken out of my signature. A mod also deleted any reference to "DA" out of Justin's signature. Funny....... I can't even count the people that have "McRat Race tune", "Team Salad", "The Neens tune", ect in their signatures all of which are not supporting vendors of this site.

Ah, but theres the rub of it, isnt it?
You sell parts/tuning to make money. They dont. We have many legitimate businesses that pay their fees to advertise here, and then you come along thinking you dont have to. Its all Business Ethics 101.
Every single thread you've posted has "DA" in front of the topic you're discussing, like its something special. Doesnt matter whether its a truck running 12's or a part or your tuning, its there. Your signature reflects the same. If thats not advertising for your business, then I dont know what is.
If you and a group of buddies started a club, like "Team Twisted", then I could see your use of "DA duo", but thats not the case here. You did it to promote your business, period. You've been skirting the advertising rules, and you finally got busted. Good. Now own up to it.

From your sig, I assume you are a Marine. It is my understanding that the Marines teach honor and integrity and to display it in everything you do. Now, show it in how you go about your business, too.
Pay the fees to advertise like every other legitimate business here, then you can put "DA" anywhere you want.

If anything, I am shocked and amazed that the Staff hasn't taken away your (and your co-owners) privileges here UNTIL you guys anted up and became Supporting Vendors.




Mcrat used to be a vendor here. He had to be as he sold parts. But, IIRC Kat stated a little while ago that they were getting out of that. If you'd care to look, the only reason Pat ever sold anything was to help finance Casper. Thats it. It was not a profit making machine for them.
You also dont know what the whole "Team Salad" thing was about, as it was from a conflict between Mcrat and TTS about a great many things from LONG before you appeared here, so maybe you should look it up first.....

Neens does tuning as a sidelight. I've never heard of him ever selling a tune. Guess what? He doesnt have to be a vendor to help tune someone's truck if hes not charging for it! Same thing with Bobo. I dont think he ever made a dime on his tuning, but does it to help others and learn.
You may not charge your friends to tune their trucks, but if anyone else asked you, you'd charge them. That makes it a business.

So theres your lecture on business ethics for the day. :rolleyes:

I put McRat tuning in my signature, because it's my truck, and I'm letting people know what's done to my truck. .


thats all i was doing. letting people know what i have and who has done the work.

i understand where many of you are coming from im not here to start a fight over a buisness that isnt mine.

im just gonna leave it alone.

That thing is haulin!

I gave you a compliment...If you and DA can't accept it, that's your problem...I won't respond to his othr comment...


just wanted to say sorry for how i came off.

It has been taken out of my signature. A mod also deleted any reference to "DA" out of Justin's signature. Funny....... I can't even count the people that have "McRat Race tune", "Team Salad", "The Neens tune", ect in their signatures all of which are not supporting vendors of this site.

I dont see why there is a problom with it;)

just wanted to say sorry for how i came off.

Accepted, it's all good...

Nice post, Tom. :exactly:

I just wanted to add, congratulations on the excellent time. Not to take anything away from the accomplishment, but sometimes there are trucks that are just freakishly fast. Take for instance skintback's CC/SB LLY. Not that having a freak truck makes it any less of an accomplishment, I just think there's only so much you can do with a tune. That's just my 2¢. I hope you don't take it as an insult.

I hear ya, and don't take any of it as an insult. My tuning is different than anything else I've seen out there and I'm waiting for another local LBZ to play with to be sure it's not just Chris's truck being a freak. He doesn't have a freak CP3 - it drops rail pressure like any other.

Be nice, my truck is sensitive to being called names like a freak... Lets see if I can't get into the 12.3's tonight :D

I've been gone toooooooo long!!:smoke2:

I hear ya, and don't take any of it as an insult. My tuning is different than anything else I've seen out there and I'm waiting for another local LBZ to play with to be sure it's not just Chris's truck being a freak. He doesn't have a freak CP3 - it drops rail pressure like any other.

How many other tunes did you look at to determine it's different?

How many hours on the dyno did it take you to write it?

How many other tunes did you look at to determine it's different?

How many hours on the dyno did it take you to write it?

Very valid point

How many hours on the dyno did it take you to write it?I'm not sure I see how it matters. It's obvious the tune makes power.

I'm not sure I see how it matters. It's obvious the tune makes power.

Don't mean to speak for Dustin, but I know he wrote the first tune off of my stock tune on the drive to a tractor pull. After winning the pull we did a test and tune session to try to fine tune it b/c it was choppy as h*ll and had a nasty sweet spot in the peddle. After more work he got it smoothed out and it pulled HARD. Then our only other testing was at the track. The truck has only made 4 dyno pulls and that was just to see what it had and the operator had never run diesels before so the numbers are a hair low (i think so based on track times)

I hear ya, and don't take any of it as an insult. My tuning is different than anything else I've seen out there and I'm waiting for another local LBZ to play with to be sure it's not just Chris's truck being a freak. He doesn't have a freak CP3 - it drops rail pressure like any other.


Ive seen you post this before? What do you mean by this?

Fuel and air? you need fuel to make power you need air to make power and considering you have a stock turbo you dont have a big varible

how can your tuning be that much different? I understand dialing a truck in...but to be much different???

Timing, PW, fuel pressure, vane position, desired boost - it's all quite a bit different than the other LBZ race tunes that I have looked at. It runs alot cleaner as well. I've looked at quite a few tunes that have made 500+ hp and gone 12.7-12.9 on other people's trucks. We're headed to the dyno this morning to see what kind of numbers it is pushing when a dyno operator who's experienced with diesels runs it. Here's a video of it running 12.60:

http://s43.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid43.photobucket.com/albums/e395/hastingsrj/MVI_1643.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1

Ive seen you post this before? What do you mean by this?

Fuel and air? you need fuel to make power you need air to make power and considering you have a stock turbo you dont have a big varible

how can your tuning be that much different? I understand dialing a truck in...but to be much different???
i agree with this, we all have the same tables and there is only so much that can be done, i'm not saying your tuning isn't good dustin you have times to back it up, but to say your doing something nobody else can do is a bold statement, my truck runs on my home brewed tuning and for my mods my truck runs faster traps than most with much more done to them to trap 108.7 with a d/a of 6000+ is good in my opinion on stock fuel system besides lift pump and a modded bd supermax .and just put down 505/978 on a mustang dyno at high alt. none corrected,no tricks just running it , but i would never say my tuning the best out there, by all rights it could be but its a cocky statement, i'm not saying this cause i dislike you guys you've help me on post and you seem to be a good guy just trying to sell his services just letting you know how it comes off sometimes.
Timing, PW, fuel pressure, vane position, desired boost - it's all quite a bit different than the other LBZ race tunes that I have looked at. It runs alot cleaner as well. I've looked at quite a few tunes that have made 500+ hp and gone 12.7-12.9 on other people's trucks. We're headed to the dyno this morning to see what kind of numbers it is pushing when a dyno operator who's experienced with diesels runs it. Here's a video of it running 12.60:

http://s43.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid43.photobucket.com/albums/e395/hastingsrj/MVI_1643.flv&fs=1&os=1&ap=1

that was a good run :)

Just got back from the Dyno.... Not as high as I expected, but my truck can't hold more then 24 lbs of boost on the dyno and I hold a steady 32-34 psi on the track. I put down 531/940, Dustins truck did about the same only getting about 34 psi on the dyno where as he gets 50 psi on the track. He's still at the dyno and putting some heavier rims on it to try to load it a little more.

As for the tuning being different, its true there is only so much you can do, but the combo he set up for me seems to work really well together. I logged the dyno run and was only holding 23,000 to 24,000 psi fuel pressure up to 3400 rpms after that it dropped to 19,000 by 4300 rpms. I think the combo of PW and timing Dustin set up is getting the perfect amount of fuel in the cylinder at the right time to burn it all and make allot of power.

Just got back from the Dyno.... Not as high as I expected, but my truck can't hold more then 24 lbs of boost on the dyno and I hold a steady 32-34 psi on the track. I put down 531/940, Dustins truck did about the same only getting about 34 psi on the dyno where as he gets 50 psi on the track. He's still at the dyno and putting some heavier rims on it to try to load it a little more.

As for the tuning being different, its true there is only so much you can do, but the combo he set up for me seems to work really well together. I logged the dyno run and was only holding 23,000 to 24,000 psi fuel pressure up to 3400 rpms after that it dropped to 19,000 by 4300 rpms. I think the combo of PW and timing Dustin set up is getting the perfect amount of fuel in the cylinder at the right time to burn it all and make allot of power.
i could not get full boost on the dyno either i was about 10 lbs shy, what kind of dyno are you guys using and what gear are the pulls i , 4th i assume ?

i could not get full boost on the dyno either i was about 10 lbs shy, what kind of dyno are you guys using and what gear are the pulls i , 4th i assume ?

Its a Dyno Jet, It was at an all diesel Dyno event. And yes the pulls are in 4th, Dustin wrote a tune that shifts into 4th really fast and holds it no matter what you do. Works really well.

To me dynos are good for tuning and thats about all. I'd rather have mine read low than too high then go to the track and not run a good number. Plus we don't race dynos:D

Just got back from the Dyno.... Not as high as I expected, but my truck can't hold more then 24 lbs of boost on the dyno and I hold a steady 32-34 psi on the track. I put down 531/940, Dustins truck did about the same only getting about 34 psi on the dyno where as he gets 50 psi on the track. He's still at the dyno and putting some heavier rims on it to try to load it a little more.

As for the tuning being different, its true there is only so much you can do, but the combo he set up for me seems to work really well together. I logged the dyno run and was only holding 23,000 to 24,000 psi fuel pressure up to 3400 rpms after that it dropped to 19,000 by 4300 rpms. I think the combo of PW and timing Dustin set up is getting the perfect amount of fuel in the cylinder at the right time to burn it all and make allot of power.

Ok i find this hard to belive 530 hp and 24 psi boost ? so your saying your truck is in the 580-600 range on a stock turbo and fuel system I just dont see how ?

Ok i find this hard to belive 530 hp and 24 psi boost ? so your saying your truck is in the 580-600 range on a stock turbo and fuel system I just dont see how ?

While I applaud their times, I have to agree with this assessment. No way do you run 500+hp on only 24lbs boost. Only stock turbo truck to go 550+hp that I've heard of was Malibu (LB7), and he stated the tune required to do it was not streetable. Something just doesnt add up.

While I applaud their times, I have to agree with this assessment. No way do you run 500+hp on only 24lbs boost. Only stock turbo truck to go 550+hp that I've heard of was Malibu (LB7), and he stated the tune required to do it was not streetable. Something just doesnt add up.

I just watched the guages while the operator drove the truck and and got the numbers :confuzeld

Just looked at the data log for the run and I had the wrong PID selected for actual boost :(

But I didn't drop fuel pressure until I was above 3500 rpms

lol this is hilarious. how do you think you're doing anything different than all the rest of us with efi live? as has already been said, you have fuel and air and that makes power. you don't just make more of either with tuning when you have turbo and cp3 limitations. i'm sure some people might pick up the torch and think you're the end all and be all of duramax tuning but i wouldn't run anything unless it was from someone proven such as nick, pat, bobo, tony, etc. you're far from that point.

I was at the dyno and watched his run - actually he went right after my first pull. Last time he was on a dyno he went 526 this time 531. He now has 8 dyno pulls at over 520hp on 2 different dynos and I've seen his boost only push to 24-25 PSI on the dyno while on the street and track it gets 32-34. After going back to the dyno and having the operator load it with the brakes my LLY put down 539hp while it got to 40PSI - it normally runs 47 down the track. I prefer to tune at the track and on the street, as was said we don't race dynos and we don't drive on them daily either.
Today we finally got to race (it was postponed 2 days due to weather). Chris took runner up in the quick diesel class while I took the win - I'm sure all those Dodge boys with big turbos or small twins were thrilled. Chris and I both ran a handful of 12.4s today - track prep was lacking and everyone there was cutting horrible 60' times.
lol this is hilarious. how do you think you're doing anything different than all the rest of us with efi live? as has already been said, you have fuel and air and that makes power. you don't just make more of either with tuning when you have turbo and cp3 limitations. i'm sure some people might pick up the torch and think you're the end all and be all of duramax tuning but i wouldn't run anything unless it was from someone proven such as nick, pat, bobo, tony, etc. you're far from that point.
I'm not saying that I'm the best tuner and the tuning on Chris's truck is not even for sale online. I have alot of respect for other tuners, I got started by learning from their advice as many of you have. Get your tuning or help with tuning from whoever you want, last I checked it was track times, sled pulls, mpg, testimonies, and dyno numbers that prove tuning:confuzeld. I simply said that he ran a 12.42 and asked if anyone knew of a faster LBZ with such few mods. Chris also daily drives on this tune and gets over 20 mpg on it - so it's not a track or dyno only tune. I can say that my tuning is different than others because I have seen the others and seen alot of 12.65+ ET LBZs. I have also added some touches of my tuning to other peoples home brews and made them really happy - for free to help them out. Boost isn't everything and getting the right amount of fuel at the right time to burn it all effeciently helps.
If you want to ask an unbiased opinion of my tuning or how mine and Chris's trucks run talk to John Portfield, Buck or Jess Spruill, or Ed Wayne - they have all been at events with us and seen us on the dynos and the track.
What claims/accusations are next?
"He couldn't have run 12.60 on that run, there wasn't enough smoke :duh:"

Ok i find this hard to belive 530 hp and 24 psi boost ? so your saying your truck is in the 580-600 range on a stock turbo and fuel system I just dont see how?

Yes he is on stock turbo (and intake), he does have a lift pump and shimmed FPRV but otherwise stock fuel system (injectors and CP3 are stock) - but no, none of us said 580-600.

No way do you run 500+hp on only 24lbs boost. Something just doesnt add up.

It has done it 8 times on 2 dynos

saw the diesel addiction guys this weekend.the trucks in question looked very good on the track and dyno.they backed up what i have seen promised in this thread.

Everyone can say what they want but in the end the numbers at the track don't lie. Thats why I like track times with mph to see whos making power and how much with their race weight. This is also why you can't compare trucks and mods with others unless your both at the same track at the same time. When I raced bikes I went to alot of different tracks and never ran the same times and mph at them. I did however and my buddy run quicker in Florida than we ever did in the midwest due to being close to sea level.