I see 2500HD trucks all the time going down the road with the regular 4000lb license plates on them. How can this be legal when the truck itself out weighs that? I talked to DMV here in NC and was told if you are caught pulling a trailer for a business and it has regular plates it is a automatic ticket. My question to DMV is how can they issue a regular plate to a buyer of a 2500HD truck and be legal? I am in the landscaping business and I run a 15000 lb tag at a cost of $167.00 per year. DMV also said if you pull a camper or a boat for pleasure you are exempt from buying a heavier tag! So I have to run a heavier tag to haul my 4000 lb mowing trailer but, if you buy and haul a 12000 lb camper for pleasure you don't need anything more than the normal tag! What's up with that?-:t

you dont need a heavier truck plate to pull a trailer you need to make sure the trailer plate covers the weight of the trailer.
the truck is not carrying the weight the trailer is.

you dont need a heavier truck plate to pull a trailer you need to make sure the trailer plate covers the weight of the trailer.
the truck is not carrying the weight the trailer is.
Here in NC the plate on the truck has to carry all the weight, trailer included. I don't know about where you are but, that's the deal here. DMV said the truck plate has to cover the combined weight of truck and the heaviest load you are hauling! A buddy of mine was not running the right plate and I told him the same thing, two weeks later DMV pulled him and weighed both truck and trailer and wrote him a $375.00 fine for being under that tag weight!

Heck a quick search in your state and I am confused. Check out this chart:

http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_services/licenseplates/plateFees.html

What about private trucks over 6000 lbs? I would say that your state rules will be different than other states. Here in Texas you pay license fees for the truck and not the trailer. Now for commercial that could be differnet I dont know.

Heck a quick search in your state and I am confused. Check out this chart:

http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_services/licenseplates/plateFees.html

What about private trucks over 6000 lbs? I would say that your state rules will be different than other states. Here in Texas you pay license fees for the truck and not the trailer. Now for commercial that could be differnet I dont know.
Because I am in business for myself and my tag is over 6000 lbs I have to run a commercial tag. Everybody here that are pulling trailers for a living have to run commercial tags, due to the fact that truck and trailer exceed the 6000 lb limit. The website above says to call for commercial plates and that is when the price goes up.

my truck has 18'000lb commerical plates legally here your supposed to have a health card to drive a comm. vehicle that gross's over 10k truck and trailer

my tag is 435.00 ...... sucks:mad:

mine is aliomost 300 dor 25999 lbs over 26000 you must have cdl.its a major bunch of crap just a way for out liberal nc leaders to milk a few more dollors out of us.also in north carolina like he said the truck license has to have the weight to carry the trailer,but you still have to but a trailer tag .know semi trucks and trailers could be different,not sure if the trailer is rated for a certain weight or not.

Here in CT you pay according to each vehicles GVWR so my Dually is registered for 11,400 lbs which is what GM rates it for and the fee is $147.24 a year. And any vehicle with a GVWR higher than 10,001 lbs has to get commercial plates.

If you pull a trailer the trailer has it's own registration fee, which is seperate from the pulling vehicle. And a commercial trailer fee, at about $120.00 a year for a 10,000lb trailer is a lot higher than a 10,000 camper trailer fee about $30 a year. There always trying to stick it to the working man.

For those of you in states that pay a fee on the truck and trailer together, what happen's if your truck is in the shop and you need to borrow a friends or rent one, does that mean you can't pull your trailer with the borrowed truck because that truck didn't pay for a heavier plate? Dosen't make any sense to me.

Diesel Dragon you just made my day in New York I am paying $92.50 per year for a MDT 16,000 truck.

Diesel Dragon you just made my day in New York I am paying $92.50 per year for a MDT 16,000 truck.
Ok I'll make you feel even better.

I pay about $1,500 a year for my 76,500 lb Dump truck

Plus another $550 a year for the overweight permit

Total: $2050 a year for registration

Sticking it to the everyday working man


:ro)

I opted for the FT (farm truck) Tag here in MD. For this tag, you pay $5. per 1000 lb. you register it for. At 10,000 lb., that's $50. a year and emissions exempt! Just have to make sure I conduct some sort of farm business everywhere I go to keep the man off my back.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

You pay for the weight rating of your trailer here also.

Glad I'm a "farmer".

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For those of you in states that pay a fee on the truck and trailer together, what happen's if your truck is in the shop and you need to borrow a friends or rent one, does that mean you can't pull your trailer with the borrowed truck because that truck didn't pay for a heavier plate? Dosen't make any sense to me.Yes the truck has to be able to cover the total weight.

A good example of this is we have 5 semi trailers setting and 1 truck to pull them.
Truck plate is $1400/yr and trailer plates are $40, in Ohio.

A lot better than $500-750 truck plate and $400/trailer.

Yes the truck has to be able to cover the total weight.

A good example of this is we have 5 semi trailers setting and 1 truck to pull them.
Truck plate is $1400/yr and trailer plates are $40, in Ohio.

A lot better than $500-750 truck plate and $400/trailer.

Well I can understand that when it's a Tractor because all it does is pull a trailer and that's it's only job. I think it's the same here in CT in that situation, but these guys are talking about pickup truck's and smaller bumper pull trailer's, in that instance the trailer could be pulled by the owner's truck which was registered to pull it.

But how about like I said, if your truck is in the shop, and now you have to rent or borrow a pickup to pull your landscape trailer to go to work the next day, do you have to rent one or borrow one that has a plate on it that paid to pull a trailer?

Around here most landscaper's and contractor's have more pickup's than trailer's, and keeping the trailer seperate with it's own registration allows you to hook it up to any pickup that you have and pull it. So if one work crew needs the trailer one day and another crew the next they can each take it.

But doing it the way you guys descibe it makes it sound like the trailer is married to the pickup truck and the pickup truck's plate and can't be seperated.

Or am I totally confused about the way you guy's do it.

Like I said earlier the truck tag covers a certain amount of weight. If it's 15,000 lbs then it doesn't matter what trailer you pull as long as you don't go over the combined weight of 15,000 lbs. Trucks and trailers are not married to each other. If my truck is in the shop then I don't work! If I borrow a truck it has to have a commercial tag with the right amount of weight to cover both. As far as the trailer tag covering the weight so any truck can hook to it, you would have some fool hook to a 15,000 lb trailer with a 1500 chevy truck that can't pull it and be legal! That would not be good.

I have to jump through flamming hoops to even drive my truck. I hotshot with a 3500 and a GN trailer with a GVWR of 23520. I have to run IRP plates at a cost of appox. $500. IFTA tax stickers. CDL drivers only. I have to track all miles in all states even when not hauling. A real PITA.

Like I said earlier the truck tag covers a certain amount of weight. If it's 15,000 lbs then it doesn't matter what trailer you pull as long as you don't go over the combined weight of 15,000 lbs. Trucks and trailers are not married to each other. If my truck is in the shop then I don't work! If I borrow a truck it has to have a commercial tag with the right amount of weight to cover both. As far as the trailer tag covering the weight so any truck can hook to it, you would have some fool hook to a 15,000 lb trailer with a 1500 chevy truck that can't pull it and be legal! That would not be good.

Now if you have a construction business and own 3 pickup's each with diffrent tools on it for a diffrent job and the truck's are going to 3 diffrent jobsite's each day and you have 1- 7,500lb tandem axle enclosed cargo trailer that has some specialized tool's or what ever in it and truck A (a F250) needs the trailer on Monday at Truck A's job site, then on tuesday Truck B (a 2500HD) needs the trailer on Truck B's jobsite he just hooks up to it and goes, now on Wednesday Truck C (a 3500 Big Dually) needs the same trailer on his job site he hook's to the trailer and goes.

3 Truck's
1 Trailer

Now in the above instance the 3 truck's are registered usually to their Max Manufactuers Gross Vehicle Weight Rating

Truck A F250 = 8,660 lb registration = about $90
Truck B 2500HD = 8,660 lb registration = about $90
Truck C 3500HD = 11,400lb registration= about $147

Trailer 7,500 lb registration = about $75

In each work day any truck could pull the trailer because they are all seperate and each is paying a registration fee based on what IT'S Max GVWR is.

So with the trailer having a seperate registration I don't need to look for a pickup with a special plate with the right amount of weight to cover both.

I hook up to another one of my pickup's and go to work.

And if my pickup is broke I go to work anyway.


Suppose my truck and trailer break's down on the side of the road one day and I call a tow truck to take it to the shop. The tow truck come's I unhook my trailer call a friend with a pickup to come out and hook his Dodge 2500 to my trailer and off we go to work.

But in your case you would need to find a friend that owns a truck and has paid for a special plate with the right amount of weight to cover both. Might be a little harder to do.

I guess it would be in someone's advantage to do it how it's done in CT if you own more truck's than trailer's but it would be an advantage to do it like your state does if you own more trailer's than truck's

Truck A F250 = 8,660 lb registration = about $90
Truck B 2500HD = 8,660 lb registration = about $90
Truck C 3500HD = 11,400lb registration= about $147

Trailer 7,500 lb registration = about $75
NO,NO,NO,
You don't buy the truck tag according to the weight of the truck. In NC if you pull a trailer for a living as I do you buy a tag that will cover the weight of the truck and the heaviest trailer and it's contents together that you are going to pull! Example: My truck and heaviest trailer together weigh 10,400 lbs empty. The most I have ever hauled in that trailer, truck and all weighed 14,840 lbs. I bought a tag for my truck that carries a weight of 15,000 lbs. The total weight falls on the truck tag. In NC if you are stopped by DMV pulling a trailer for a living not a camper, and they weigh you and the tag on the truck does not cover the total weight of everything then my friend you will get a ticket and a heavy fine based on each pound over!

I understand what your saying and I think the way NC does it is not good for the business guy. Suppose you had 2 truck's and wanted to hook up your trailer to the second truck, you would need to get a 15,000 lb plate for that one too, so what you are actually doing is paying for the trailer twice.

But if you have 1 truck and 2 trailers you could hook the second trailer to the truck and it wouldn't cost you anything extra.

Right!
Every year when the trailer tag comes due it's only about $15.00 for the sticker. You can buy a permanent tag for a trailer at a one time cost of $85.00. That is what I did with my mower trailer but, my dump trailer has a yearly sticker for it. A friend of my got caught last season pulling a mowing trailer with his logo on the side and had a regular truck tag based at 4500 lbs. He got a fine for $327.00.

do you have commercial plates on the duramax? If so what is the plate fee cost here in Ohio?



Yes the truck has to be able to cover the total weight.

A good example of this is we have 5 semi trailers setting and 1 truck to pull them.
Truck plate is $1400/yr and trailer plates are $40, in Ohio.

A lot better than $500-750 truck plate and $400/trailer.

now in NC you can add extra weight to a regular tag instead of getting a commercial plate. This way you can go on federal roads like the Parkway and not get hassled. Also a trailer being towed behind a truck automatically gives you 3000 extra pound of weight.

now in NC you can add extra weight to a regular tag instead of getting a commercial plate. This way you can go on federal roads like the Parkway and not get hassled. Also a trailer being towed behind a truck automatically gives you 3000 extra pound of weight.
Huh?

Ok let say I am going to go to work with a company like Horizon. I already have the weighted plate for 25.000 lb.

Do I have to get the Commercial plate for my truck in NC?

If I put a Commercial plate on the truck do I have to buy the $14.000 insurance for the truck, That Horizon is supplying?

I can’t get a strait answer for DMV.

Ok let say I am going to go to work with a company like Horizon. I already have the weighted plate for 25.000 lb.

Do I have to get the Commercial plate for my truck in NC?

If I put a Commercial plate on the truck do I have to buy the $14.000 insurance for the truck, That Horizon is supplying?

I can’t get a strait answer for DMV.
Good luck getting a straight answer from DMV on tags. However a price for a tag on a private truck under 6,000 lbs is $40.75 in NC. You and I exceed that weight right off the bat not towing a grain of sand. I run a commercial tag weighted at 15,000 lbs at a cost of $167.00. This is not a commercial for hire tag, don't get the two mixed up. According to DMV rules I don't see how anyone in NC with a 2500HD truck can legally ride down the road with a tag rated for a truck under 6,000 lbs but, they do it every day. I can't push my luck cause I pull a mowing trailer about every day.-:t

One of the landscape guys I know down here just got pulled. The state trooper had two of his trucks pulling trailers lined up on the side of the road. I told Berne about 3 weeks ago to buy weighted tags for his trucks.

So I pulled in behind them and wanted for the paper work to get done and asked the cop, seams how he was dialing with that issue with Berne, maybe he could give <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:PersonName>me</st1:PersonName> the answer to my question. He got on the phone and talked to so<st1:PersonName>me</st1:PersonName>one and ca<st1:PersonName>me</st1:PersonName> back with this.

As long as I say that I am doing it PART TIME, I can use the weighted tag I have. And as long as the company that I pull for has the load insured.

I have to be able to prove that I have a ceramic tile company. I will have to keep so<st1:PersonName>me</st1:PersonName> of my tile tools or business cards. Or a Sam’s Club card with my tile COMPANY na<st1:PersonName>me</st1:PersonName> on it, in the truck.

He was a cool cop and gave <st1:place>Berne</st1:place> a warning. He thought the weight should be on the trailer not the truck also, but that’s off the record

Berne is a lucky man, a friend of mine in the Landscaping business that I warned about his tag got pulled a while back and got a ticket for $327.00! They weighed him and charged him per pound over the tag weight.:eek:

Workedforit: Where in NC are you located?

So.. Since I drive a 3500 with a under 6000lbs tag(cost me 40.75) I can get a ticket??
What if I get caught towing my car to the track? Looking at a large fine??

Why would NC DMV allow me to even buy the tag??

What tag do I need..Price??

So.. Since I drive a 3500 with a under 6000lbs tag(cost me 40.75) I can get a ticket??
What if I get caught towing my car to the track? Looking at a large fine??

Why would NC DMV allow me to even buy the tag??

What tag do I need..Price??
You don't haul cars for a living so you I would think you are OK there. You are no different than a weekender pulling a boat to the lake. However I would have the truck weighed and get a tag that at least covered that much. You know you are over the 6,000 lb tag easy with the 3500. I like you don't understand how they would allow you to purchase a tag under the correct weight of the truck. Friend of mine just bought a 2500HD and he is running a regular tag but, the dealership told him that it was up to him what tag he ran but, if he got checked at a roadblock he would not be legal. It's frustrating when you talk to DMV cause you get so many different answers from different people. I even had one tell me it depended on the "mood" of the DMV officer when you get pulled! Better safe than sorry........

So.. Since I drive a 3500 with a under 6000lbs tag(cost me 40.75) I can get a ticket??
What if I get caught towing my car to the track? Looking at a large fine??

Why would NC DMV allow me to even buy the tag??

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DMV need to make this easer to understand. It all depends on who you talk to.


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now in NC you can add extra weight to a regular tag instead of getting a commercial plate. This way you can go on federal roads like the Parkway and not get hassled. Also a trailer being towed behind a truck automatically gives you 3000 extra pound of weight.
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Workedforit, I run a weighted plate on my truck, 15,000 lbs.

I've got 32,000 lb. plates on my 3500 at the nice price of $687.50.

Fl only charges by GVW of truck, does not add any for trailer weight. Plate does not state truck GVW, it's on reg card kept in glovebox. I have UF plate on my truck and have never been checked in any state I've been through, even with gooseneck trailer hooked up. Weight limit here is 20k per rear axle, and I don't think our AAM 11.5 is capable of that, so basically FLDOT doesn't mess with LD trucks much, unless there is an obvious safety problem(load not properly secured, etc.). Once in awhile dot may check the occasional RV'r if they think rig is overloaded(ecsb truck with 42' 5th wheel for example)

do you have commercial plates on the duramax? If so what is the plate fee cost here in Ohio?
No, I run non-comm which is $60+, can't remember for sure, but each township has their own $$ added in.
They also have a 'heavy' non-comm plate for 3500 trucks that are $30+.

Since we farm all over, if I got pulled over w/ a commercial trailer on I just tell them I'm going to one of them.

Our tandem axle dump is tagged for 50,000# so we can either pull loaded trailer or a load in bed but not both.

Well, here's what I found out in TN and VA. I traded my 2500HD in on a 3500. The motor vehicle people just transferred my tags (regular tags). I went to get my tags renewed and asked about the weighted tags. In TN a 3500 MUST have 16000 lb. plates. Cost me another $17 over regular tags. The tags carry the weight of the truck and my camper. The regular plates were good to 9000 lbs. on my 2500HD, but with the camper, was still over. My dad got to wondering about his and in VA, he had the same problem, he was over the standard tag with the camper. I think the weights were a little different, but he ended up paying for 13000 lb. tags. I have heard VA troopers are very strict about this. I guess I got lucky and didn't get a ticket while illegal. The funny thing is they put my regular tags on the 3500 and in my opinion should have known I needed the 16000 lb. plate, but go figure.

Here in NC they don't tell you anything when you go to DMV. I have 15,000 lb plates cause I pull a trailer every day for a living (mowing). I did however call Highway Patrol's motor carrier division and talked to a guy and he told me that I need to be able to cover the truck and trailer together on the truck tag. I asked him how weekenders pulling big fifth wheels get by with regular tags and his reply was; All campers, jet ski's, and boats are "Exempt" from the law! Go figure!

I ended up getting a 10K tag it is like $100-120 per year. The DMV was clueless on how to register my truck. I'll probaly have as much fun when I try to register my 14K trailer in a couple weeks.


No, I run non-comm which is $60+, can't remember for sure, but each township has their own $$ added in.
They also have a 'heavy' non-comm plate for 3500 trucks that are $30+.

Since we farm all over, if I got pulled over w/ a commercial trailer on I just tell them I'm going to one of them.

Our tandem axle dump is tagged for 50,000# so we can either pull loaded trailer or a load in bed but not both.

Here in Colorado, I can pull my GCVW as long as it is not for hire on my plates. The reason for this is that all plates are issued under a complicated formula that takes into account the vehicle weight and the cost of the vehicle...thats right, the more expensive the rig, the more you $$$ when you register it.

Year one: 11.5K and $40K...$980 in registration fees:eek:
Year two 11.5K and $32K (depreciation?) $650


Ill let you know how it goes for year 3.