I was curious who has received theirs already and how long it took to get once you signed up? I'm on the list, etc. Was toll 6-8 weeks. Not sure if I can wait that long :( Has anyone called recently for a status update?

Good things come to those that wait.:ro)

Its worth the wait IMO.

Cant remember but a couple months seems about right.

I THOUGHT IT TOOK LONGER THAN THAT???? ARENT THERE SOME HERE THAT ARE STILL WAITING AFTER SEVERAL MONTHS???:confused:

He does the Extreme's in batches. If you happened to get lucky and call before he closed the order on a batch then good job. 6-8 weeks is about unheard of, 08-12 is more like it.

But, it is worth the wait.

Later,
Wes

I coulda swore I was about 2 months?

I'm about to find out...I will let everyone know the wait time.

Took me right at 2 months. Well worth it.

I remember them telling me the last batch went out around Christmas.....my order didn't make that batch. Going on 10 weeks now, but current programming is nearly keeping me satisfied and I've been too busy to think about what I don't have yet fortunately. I wouldn't sell that Edge box yet Jeff....

i think the tts is a great tune, but there is others that are just as good, and the turn around and support are much better, i will be releasing dyno sheets of one 500hp tune out shortly that is a daily driver, and can be customed to your needs, quad and jkva also make a nice tunes, and wait time is nothing like the extreme, i guess it comes down to what your wants are, keep in mind one must look threw the propaganda when making your decision

I've had a JKVA on my truck and I'm very glad I waited and bought the Extreme. I dont know of anyone running real fast times on the VA? but I could be wrong. Also look how many people had the quad juice stack and have off loaded them since they bought an Extreme.

Be very interested to see this new westers(I assume?) tune. If there is power and driveability to be had with it then i may ditch the TTS.

Have you ever had a TTS tune on your truck?

i ordered one last fall, but never seen it yet, i have not called about it since i starting in the making of the latest tune, as for jkva, the last time i dynoed it, it was over 480hp on my truck with a base line of 250, not bad for a 800 dollar tune, plug and play

I agree with Rat. VA tune just doesn't cut it on the track. It made great numbers on the dyno (though not as good as the Extreme) but if it's not driveable it doesn't do any good for me.

I had a Wester's back when he started with the Duramax six or eight months ago. He still has it after the latest test and I haven't pushed to get it back. Sending it back and forth to Canada for "testing" got spendy so I told him I would wait to see what he came up with from the locals. It won't help me now but I hope he's got the bugs worked out.

Quad was a good power tune but nothing nearly as driveable or as powerful as the TTS. Maybe he has secret stuff but I've never been able to get my hands on it and I only report on what I can use. Turn around on the TTS certainely isn't the fastest but support from Steve on it has been as good as anything (not that it's been needed which is true support).

Not only do you have to read through the propoganda for each of the boxes but you also have to weed through the posts from those who have no experience with the product. You'll get an honest answer from someone that actually has the product. I can't comment on Wester's latest tune as I haven't used it but the ones I did use were not even close to the Extreme. The best advice I can give if you want the best is to try it all.

I've had a JKVA on my truck and I'm very glad I waited and bought the Extreme. I dont know of anyone running real fast times on the VA? but I could be wrong. Also look how many people had the quad juice stack and have off loaded them since they bought an Extreme.

Be very interested to see this new westers(I assume?) tune. If there is power and driveability to be had with it then i may ditch the TTS.

Have you ever had a TTS tune on your truck?
There are an awful lot of fast trucks running quad or quad/juice though. I would say that the majority of the trucks in teh 12sec or lower range are running some form of that tuner.

I also want to know why everyone else is allowed to have a billion revisions and flashes, like Edge and even TTS has had several versions over time, but no one ever thinks they should call Quadzilla and see what is going on, they just whine? From what I understand udates and upgrades have been plentiful if you asked for them?

Just my .02


Weldon :rant:

Duno why you are quoting me and directing your comments at me? :think: :confused:

Never said the quad juice stack wasnt fast did I?

Did I or anybody even alude to the fact that numerous revisions were bad and that quad was the only one making revisions?

What are the trucks running that are deep and consistently into the 11's running?

Still duno why your directing stuff twards me? :think: :confused:

When you going to get rid of the PS and get a Duramax so you can run with the big boys? What does Juice say??? Cant run with the big dogs when you pee like a puppy.):h

Actually not directed at you. I quoted it because it mentioned getting rido the quad/juice stack is all. I guess I should not use the quote function.

$$$$ if I had more I would have a MAX! Can't really trade at this point.

The quad juice stack does run like a mother, wonder why quad worked on making his latest revisions stackable why he just didnt try to get his program to make what the stack makes?

The N2O sounds interesting. Be neat to see how it shakes out.

The quad juice stack does run like a mother


And rattle like no other! :D

You can't drive the Quad Juice stack as a daily driver,can you say annoying as hell?

Quote to keep ragging on Rat! :)

And rattle like no other! :D

You can't drive the Quad Juice stack as a daily driver,can you say annoying as hell?

Quote to keep ragging on Rat! :)


call Quadzilla and see what is going on, they just whine? From what I understand udates and upgrades have been plentiful if you asked for them?:funnypost :grd:

What are the trucks running that are deep and consistently into the 11's running?


When you going to get rid of the PS and get a Duramax so you can run with the big boys? What does Juice say??? Cant run with the big dogs when you pee like a puppy.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/secret.gif sign the http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/deal.gif and wait.


Extreme :hail:

What are the trucks running that are deep and consistently into the 11's running?



When you going to get rid of the PS and get a Duramax so you can run with the big boys? What does Juice say??? Cant run with the big dogs when you pee like a puppy.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/hihi.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/secret.gif sign thehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/deal.gif and wait.

And rattle like no other! :D

You can't drive the Quad Juice stack as a daily driver,can you say annoying as hell?

Quote to keep ragging on Rat! :)
I drive at least 500miles a week with the combo, 215 and hot juice on 3-4. Turn your radio on.;)

I've I dont know of anyone running real fast times on the VA? but I could be wrong.
Brandon ran mid 13's with his 2wd and his "average" 60' times in 2wd. This was on a day where he tried a few different things rather than trying to hone one program...

I agree with Rat. VA tune just doesn't cut it on the track. It made great numbers on the dyno (though not as good as the Extreme) but if it's not driveable it doesn't do any good for me.

It's my daily driver on my 2002. Cruise doesn't agree with it, but plenty driveable. I think you'll see my truck in the 12's without spray this season...

I drive at least 500miles a week with the combo, 215 and hot juice on 3-4. Turn your radio on.;)


ON?


Man you gotta turn up the Sub and fade to the front! :Wedgie:

Reading left to right:

Date Time Track Elevation Lane R/T Index R/T 60' 330 1/8 MPH 1000 1/4 MPH Temp Humidity Tune


5/8/2004 8:15 PM Silver Dollar Raceway 445' MSL Left 0.000 0.274 1.951 5.494 8.477 82.25 11.069 13.271 102.41 94 NA Q215 / Comp Juice

5/8/2004 8:52 PM Silver Dollar Raceway 445' MSL Right 0.000 0.164 1.964 5.653 8.715 80.36 11.363 13.596 101.46 94 NA Kennedy VA 200+

The VA was only 3 tenths slower on E.T. that day then the stack, and only 1 MPH slower.

It's my daily driver on my 2002. Cruise doesn't agree with it, but plenty driveable. I think you'll see my truck in the 12's without spray this season...

I wish it would have played well with my truck. Didn't like cruise or anything else nearly as well as some other programs. Have yet to figure out what caused the problems but glad it wasn't just my truck. It made nice dyno numbers and had it shifted worth a crap it would have made good numbers at the track. In all fairness you warned me the shifts were less than perfect. I didn't think it was going to be a big deal but when I can get just as much or more power with a program that also shifts perfectly, why would I use something worse?

Fortunately, I found a program that could get me in the 12's without spray while driving and shifting well on the street, and I stuck with it. Than I had to go and buy a new truck :rolleyes: I'm hoping the same thing is available for the LLY soon.

from my exsperience with a 100 plus runs on the dyno, the boxes or stacks that make the timing rattle(excesive) extrack the remaining hp out of #2, with what i have seen looks to be in the low 520hp, as most single boxes out their to date look to be in the 450-488hp, so it comes down to what your after, most power or a stock daily driver, also the best mileage boxes like timing as well, my two cents

spe33, i think you would of liked the latest tune, as for the lly, it should be done in two weeks, working on it as we speak, lookingto have a few guys test it out, with a built tranny

so is their any surging on cruis control with the tts extreme(boost pressure surging)

Not only do you have to read through the propoganda for each of the boxes but you also have to weed through the posts from those who have no experience with the product. You'll get an honest answer from someone that actually has the product.
Big Dipper
13.4 with Quad 215 - consistant
13.2 with Quad/Juice - consistant
13.2 with TTS120/Juice - 13.3 consistant

Hemikiller
13.2 with Quad/Juice
13.50 with JKVA shifting bad but that's been taken care of

all runs were no lift pump.....

what's the difference......carrott salad or cole slaw....

There are an awful lot of fast trucks running quad or quad/juice though. I would say that the majority of the trucks in teh 12sec or lower range are running some form of that tuner.

I also want to know why everyone else is allowed to have a billion revisions and flashes, like Edge and even TTS has had several versions over time, but no one ever thinks they should call Quadzilla and see what is going on, they just whine? From what I understand udates and upgrades have been plentiful if you asked for them?

Just my .02


Weldon :rant:
Weldon,

Nobody is saying that the Quad 215/OJ stack or the Quad by itself won't make a good HP/TQ number or won't run down the 1/4 mile in the low 13's........

What I think is being lost in this argument is that the TTS is refined..........the " REVISION" work that TTS did was to increase the HP/TQ and fatten in up across the rpm range............it was not to try and fix timing rattles, surges, fish biting, ghost pedals, stalling, tuner freeze ups..........ecm lockups..........:blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

So then,

TTS offers the reflashd ecm or Power Loader II in a 30/80/120 or 80/120/Xtreme........most people that own an Xtreme have a spare ECM and the 3 position switch.........

It has switch on the fly adjustability like a VA or OJ, has the rpm limit pushed out like a tuner can do and the tire size dialed in with ABS correction as well..........top speed limiter defeated too...........

It does what the stack does and then some and is as refined as you could want it to be.........truly a pleasure to drive and it is conveniently missing all the BAD tradeoffs in the stacks like excessive timing, rattles, surging , etc......

Most people that have sent the Xtreme in for a reflash had an earlier version that was written before Trippin offered his truck for dyno testing .........but thanks to those that tested tunes for Steve over the past year it is what it is today..........

IIRC most Xtreme owners are making low 13's easlily and close to or over 500HP.........most of the fastest Dmax's running are using the Xtreme as the base program and adding drugs, meth, whatever to get to mid 11's..........

So there it is.............

T:cool: NY

Fortunately, I found a program that could get me in the 12's without spray while driving and shifting well on the street, and I stuck with it. Than I had to go and buy a new truck :rolleyes: I'm hoping the same thing is available for the LLY soon.
Extreme is bad with cruise as well.....

I would have loved to see your truck with 20 or 40 over injectors run in the 12s with the Extreme....you must have a fabulous turbo on your truck.:rolleyes:

I'll have to give Lyndon a call and see if he's willing to send an LLY tune in place of the LB7 when he has it ready.

I never once had a surging problem with the Extreme. To my knowledge, it's not a problem. Dipper seems to be the exception (always).

If there's one thing I've learned is that each truck acts differently with each tune. The JK VA works well on some trucks and not on others. Apparently the TTS works well on some trucks and not others. I've also learned that each person should make their own decision. What you will read from each person is what works best on each truck. It's obvious Dipper doesn't like the TTS. I know the reasons. It's obvious I DO like the TTS. I've not had a problem with it and it's been the best tune for me. It's obvious I didn't like the JK VA tune. I've made it clear that this was because of the shifting problems and not because of a lack of hp (which has been the case with a couple different people). Dipper's latest post indicates this has been cured. If I was still playing with the LB7 I'd be trying to get whatever he has to make it shift well.

Great runs Dipper. Right in line with what I've experienced. If I thought it'd be worth my time to try to convince you of my sub 13 second run I'd waste my time, but I doubt even giving you proof would change your mind. FWIW, it was BARELY in the 12's, but it was done. I wasn't the first by any means to make it in the 12's with just diesel.

I'm not here to fight over the best program. I offered my advice based on what works best for me. There are those in the other corner that don't like the product I use and that's their choice. Moving on now.

12-09-2004, 04:19 PM #5
sp33d
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I am running the Extreme and JK 40% injectors. Still working on the nitrous tuning and getting enough fuel. I've seen 8,000psi rail pressure under WOT I've only had the Extreme a month so I'm still tuning...
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01-02-2005, 08:19 PM #7
sp33d
DP Staff

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I wish I had more to report but I'm picking up an 05 tomorrow. Although the 02 LB7 will still be in the family I don't think I'll be tuning on it anymore I'll say you'll be in mid to high 600's/hp at least with extreme, injectors, and nitrous.

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So when did you make the runs in ths 12......

As far as me being the exception....I don't have to bash one product to make another look good.....the numbers and results speak for themselves.

As a far as your truck no having any "tempermental issues" when on cruise in the extreme mode....I guess it was only mine:rolleyes:

So, you have a truck with a lift...big tires....40 over injectors with the program that absolutely sucks the rail dry....but your truck picked up with the extra fuel....:badidea:

Mr. Cole stated before.....anymore fuel with the Extreme and no air (bottled or not) would make less power......I just don't feel like digging up the post.

Good day....):h

Sorry....I forgot about your comment about me not liking the TTS......not true by any means. The program is great.....smooth....strong....but so are some of the others. Switch on the fly is great....but so is the VA...Edge.... Like I said earlier....I don't need to bash one to support the other.....

Not like I'm fond of Quad either....but I do only have soo many choices...):h

every program mentioned above has been thru some growing pains..........some if us have run them all. there is a few wicked combos left to test.............:cool:

As I said, moving on to productive discussion. Lighten up a bit man. Maybe I need to too. I never meant for my posts to come off as bashing any products. As daver said, they've all had growing pains. I'm glad to hear the VA problems were worked out. Did it end up being trans or programming related? Co-pilot?

FredW

Did you ever send in the required paperwork you were asked for months ago............NO
Remeber there are two sides to every story.

Am I slow in getting the Xtreme programs out the door............ you bet!
We are working on the PL III such that this will not be the case in the future but until it's finished and shipping I'm the only one that can write the code for the Xtreme. I have to do them as I have time because of my daily work load they do not get done in a timely manor, sorry. We do require a waiver to be sign and here before an order ever gets processed and since FredW never would do it you all know where his order sits. If I look back and see what each customer has run prior to using the Xtreme the answer is the same from every customer, they would never go back so I guess were doing something right. As far as the upgrade to the Xtreme at the later part of last year it increase the max power by about 2 - 3 Hp that's it. What it did do was to fatten the low end torque curve and I moved the Rev limiter up higher for those that kept asking for it. So now they will run to about 4000 rpm under load but peak power is still way down at 2800 - 2900 rpm.

steve pm sent

steve pm sent
The TTS basher has now sent a pm to Steve Cole. ):h

We went 12's on just the extreme.But as said before different strokes for different folks , we have run many TTS programs and they all get the job done.When I say different I mean the 30-80-120,when running the extreme we were very satisfied never had any revisions. http://dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/nutkick.gif NLDP

at least he returns his, not like you ass wipe):h



The TTS basher has now sent a pm to Steve Cole. ):h

as for the lly, it should be done in two weeks, working on it as we speak, lookingto have a few guys test it out, with a built tranny
I'll volunteer, feel free to send me a lly tune and a built tranny to try out.
:muahaha:

So tophog, was your question answered? ):h

MY MY MY HOW TIME CHANGES THINGS, IT WASNT MANY MONTHS AGO THAT MANY OF YOU WERE BASHING QUAD AND BOWING DOWN TO OTHERS. NOW IT SEEMS THAT "THE NEW AND IMPROVED" QUAD TUNER IS THE THING TO HAVE.

YOU KNOW THE OTHER SUPER HERO WAS THE "MAN" FOR A WHILE


WHATS NEXT A STOCK DMAX TO DUST THEM ALL OR WHAT-:t

Unfortunately, you can't just run down and buy the TTS Extreme at your local performance shop. But once you get one, you can have lots of fun cleaning the clocks of everybody that did buy the mass-produced stuff. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

So tophog, was your question answered? ):hDamn, if I would only have known what a simple question would start ... :)

I know I based my decision on all the positive reviews of the extreme here on the forum, even though there seems to be a limited number of owners at this point in time. I've only run the Juice 90 and Quad thus far as I've only had a stock tranny until about a week ago. I want to play with the big dogs ...bad, but feel like I'm peeing like a puppy waiting for a box to show up at the front door with a TTS label. Does anyone know how to fast-forward time? I tried setting the date ahead yesterday on my laptop but no package has arrived yet.

But once you get one, you can have lots of fun cleaning the clocks of everybody that did buy the mass-produced stuff. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

13.26 @ 100.29mph, 1.745 60' - 7020lbs


:lol: :muahaha: :funnypost


13.26 @ 100.29mph, 1.745 60' - 7020lbs

:badidea:

Just for a note, I probably would post a lot less, but I totally dig these dumb smiley thingys! I try to think of stuff just so I can use them! Great another addiction.

The track Doug ran at was 2710' above sea level. Easy 12 at sea level in good air.

The track Doug ran at was 2710' above sea level. Easy 12 at sea level in good air.
On California Diesel fuel. :(

That's approx. 40 Cetane for you guys that run the good stuff. ;)

On California Diesel fuel. :(

That's approx. 40 Cetane for you guys that run the good stuff. ;)
And you guys forgot to mention the DA was 4400 ft that day :(

MY MY MY HOW TIME CHANGES THINGS, IT WASNT MANY MONTHS AGO THAT MANY OF YOU WERE BASHING QUAD AND BOWING DOWN TO OTHERS. NOW IT SEEMS THAT "THE NEW AND IMPROVED" QUAD TUNER IS THE THING TO HAVE.

YOU KNOW THE OTHER SUPER HERO WAS THE "MAN" FOR A WHILE


WHATS NEXT A STOCK DMAX TO DUST THEM ALL OR WHAT-:t

Who has it ? Got one Peanut? Ya know what they say about cheap :D

The track Doug ran at was 2710' above sea level. Easy 12 at sea level in good air.


Your talking to a Ford guy,what's the point.Might as well :shootself

Buying an off the shelf tuner is like walking into McDonald's and getting the Standard Happy Meal............):h ..........it is generic, a dime a dozen, you can buy one anywhere and you never know if the food is gonna be fresh or not...........-:tlet alone good..........You might have to try different Combo Meals to get your fill.........

On the other hand.......

Purchasing an Xtreme is like dining in a fine restaurant, you have to make a reservation, even after that you might have to wait for your table, the food is better than anything else and like all good restaurants after you dine you tell your friends..........

I'll take fine dining any day............if you want an Xtreme, make your reservation and wait for your table.............

T:cool: NY

Doesn't Doug have a lift, and bigger tires as well?

Who said a 12 wasn't possible with just an Extreme?
no matter the elevation....
the temperature....
the fuel....

....but I believe it is just as possible with a Quad/Juice as well.....might even go so far to say the JKVA will be a stone throw away.

Dunno Pnut....I sure as hell ain't tryin to market for the guy, if you're even refering to me.....I still think he's a horses-ass.

Doesn't Doug have a lift, and bigger tires as well?INJECTORS INJECTORS INJECTORS...but yes he does.

Who said a 12 wasn't possible with just an Extreme?
no matter the elevation....
the temperature....
the fuel....

....but I believe it is just as possible with a Quad/Juice as well.....might even go so far to say the JKVA will be a stone throw away.

Dunno Pnut....I sure as hell ain't tryin to market for the guy, if you're even refering to me.....I still think he's a horses-ass.

I have backed up my runs in the 12's with that stack plenty of times and only in 2WD. Tomac runs 12's with it all day long.

Both of us don't need the bottle to get into the 12's and I am sure there are plenty others.

I am sure there are plenty others.YUP;)

The VA shifting problem is NOT the programming. I guess if we rolled off the fuel like the Edge does or increased the max RPM, it would shift on everybodies truck, BUT the fact remains that the Dmax has no business being above 3,000 RPM with current turbocharging config...

Whats the readers digest version here? It takes awhile to get an Extreme, every one knows that. You are told up front it will take awhile. Anyone that actually owns an Extreme says its worth the weight. Everybody that has an Extreme has run other stuff and prefers the Extreme. Just about anyone that bought an Extreme is selling or trying to sell off thier other tuners. The Extreme isnt the only program that puts down good track times but is the outright choice at the track of those that have it. Nobody that owns an Extreme runs something else at the track, most run Extreme daily and run it at the track too. The only people with anything negative to say about the Extreme or recomend something other that the Extreme dont actually have one. Right now the only thing available that puts down simmilar times is the quad juice stack. Right now if you want to go fast buy a quad juice or and extreme.

That about cover it???

Be interseting to see what new tunes are going to surface. I'm all about going faster.:cool:

I dont care why the VA does it. It does and thats the only thing I care about. By itself it shifts like absolute crap. I am assuming when you stack it with something to raise the limiter it is ok?

yeah, he's got a 4" lift.



Doesn't Doug have a lift, and bigger tires as well?

Doug doesn't have injectors. unless you mean his 8 stock ones!

he does run a lift pump..

INJECTORS INJECTORS INJECTORS...but yes he does.

I wasn't trying to say you couldn't get similar power from the Quad/Juice stack or any other stack. My point is that it takes a stack to achieve comparable power to the TTS Extreme.

Over the past year I have followed the great times Tomac and Brandon have put down with that stack. I just haven't seen any posts about single tuner #2-only runs in the 12's with stock turbo and stock injectors. I'm not saying they aren't out there; I've just not seen one.

I'll be trying to push my 7000lb truck into that group as soon as I can get to the closest near sea-level track (Bakersfield 200 miles away).

Doug

at least he returns his, not like you ass wipe):h
Was it favorable freddy? :cool:

Doug doesn't have injectors. unless you mean his 8 stock ones!

he does run a lift pump..Read back earlier.......didn't say anything about Doug having them.....only sp33d.....Slick asked as to say that Doug runs fast or could be in the 12s in the right altitude.....and maybe he could ....I don't know, it really doesn't matter to me. My point about the injectors...and Steve has already been in this thread and everyone knows if he disagreed that he would have spoke up......more fuel on top of the Extreme will not gain power , without something else.....more so ...it will lose. See....people tried to put words in my mouth...as usual....and imply I was saying something I wasn't...as usual. I know of a truck in the same situation and the truck was as fast with the 120 than the Extreme.....as in the Extreme slowed down a bit.

Get the Extreme ....get the VA...get the Edge.....I could give a rats ass....I have or have had them all...not borrowed and ran for a day or so, but OWNED....but....just because you like something doesn't mean someone else will.....are any of you guys married....if we all felt the same way...some of you wouldn't be because we'd be fighting over the same women. Some people have said the Extreme is impossible to drive day to day....some people say the Quad/Juice stack is the same way......but there are others who feel different....GET IT????? Half of you post like your on the brink of a sale anyway.....this is a lost cause....

I'm a staff member and Dipper likes to poke at us. No big deal. If I felt the need to prove something to him I would. I'm limited in what I can and can't do as a staff member so I choose not to get in an argument with him.

His results and what he's seen have varied from mine. Not uncommon given different trucks, locations, altitudes, drivers, setups, etc. He doesn't know what I was running, he's only guessing.

I'm a staff member and Dipper likes to poke at us. There ya go again jackass putting words in my mouth.....

He doesn't know what I was running, he's only guessing.Only going by what you post.....unless you lie and forget the truth......so you didn't have 40% over injectors with an Extreme that went in the 12s on diesel only?

None of this was personal until you opened your fly catcher.....I even let your little comment go last night.

....and obviously since you posted this last post that added no content....you do feel the need to try and prove something eh sport?

Easy Boys different strokes for different folks we all want speed and power:chillpill

This is a funny thread.

But what is the goal here? More power? or more mudwrestling?

Easy Boys different strokes for different folks we all want speed and power:chillpill
It's been fun and commical but I agree. Should have kept moving on today. Didn't realize I'd ruffle feathers with my "difference of opinion" post. Just call me Scott C I guess :rolleyes: I like to ruffle feathers and some are easier than others.

are any of you guys married
Nope, always the bridesmaid but never the bride:bawl:

Why you asking George?:hug:

Nope, always the bridesmaid but never the bride:bawl:

Why you asking George?:hug:
Sick.. you guys need help... or a ROOM!):h :idiot:

Wow, another TTS pissing thread? Seems to follow that tune around....

This is a funny thread.

But what is the goal here? More power? or more mudwrestling?
:funnypost

:Nothing_f

Nope, always the bridesmaid but never the bride:bawl:

Why you asking George?:hug:I am flattered big guy......unfortunately I am married...I don't mind a little extra curricular activity.....BUT....I pitch:exactly: ...I don't catch:badidea:

I am flattered big guy......unfortunately I am married...I don't mind a little extra curricular activity.....BUT....I pitch:exactly: ...I don't catch:badidea:
Way too much info. lol

Wow, another TTS pissing thread? Seems to follow that tune around....
Just like the converter thread Eric, once you show everyone something better the competition starts pissing. ):h

Anyone who does lots of reading here know the X has got the best reviews over all than ANY other tunes to date, the only bad stuff I've seen about it has come from bashers.
Seems like Juice has become the standard tuner for most and it should. Good tunes over all good power (not stoopid power), great features, easy instal and the list goes on.
Quad has some good tunes, but many have had problems with them and programers are a PITA.
It's no secret that Tomacs truck should have wings and runs juice/quad stack to get there, but I don't remember him saying he tried the TTS X. He's also made tons of runs to get everything just right.
It seems that most of us here want our cake and eat it too. We want to haul ass, but don't want to compromise daily drivability and don't want a Dmax that sounds like a 7.3...this is where the problems with the stack come in...when you run two programs together that weren't really made to be, you get some side effects, kinda like drug interactions. Run one program that does the same thing and things smooth out. Then you have the money factor, the stack runs about 2K, TTS X 1300. The wait it another story, it's usually long for the TTS X and some like to cry about it. You can get an HJAT and a Quad 215 off the shelf, but how often does that combo work just the way you want it too strait off the shelf? From what I see it takes a lot of testing and tuning and sometimes re-flashes to get it dialed in and it still isn't easily adjustable, smooth and quiet. So it looks to me like it boils down to wait now or wait later with extra headaches. I see plenty of guys going from the stack to the TTS X, but none going the other way, ya don't have to be head cashier at WalMart to figure that one out...
I've also seen plenty of peoples talk about problems with the stack, yet none with the TTS X well except one guy saying his cruise didn't work right, which seems funny to me that after all the time it's been out know else has mentioned this....I'm guessing this is as clear to others as it is to me.....

Now the JKVA is a whole different story...I've seen two or three guys say they love it and numerous who say the same thing, it shifts like a bag of a$$holes. I've run it and concur it shifts like crap. Now we've all seen plenty on excuses for the scrappy shifting...according to John Kennedy you need an ATS tranny for it to work right, but you might get lucky with others. Like Phil said who cares why it happens, it happens...and that sucks IMO.
$1000 for a tune that makes lots of power and might work good on you truck
Or
$1300 for one that makes more power and will work good on you truck with a long wait...


In the end it's your truck...you decide...


Ox

This is not ment to be a bash. I totally beleive The TTS is the best tune. Blue OX you did a good job explaing why one custom tune is more precise then a stack that was never ment to be ran together.

So here is my critisim. TTS users always say " You never see anyone trading in there TTS" " You always see TTS users selling there Quad, Juice"

Well this is what really has to happen. I mean what value does a custom PCM have to someone else? You had it made for your truck, you spent 1300.00 dollars and it does not have near that value on a different truck. So the way I see it, once you buy it you have to keep it and like it. It only makes sense that you sell the rest of your stuff that no longer stacks with your new custom PCM.


Once you take the plunge you cant go back. You love the tune whether you want to or not.

Lets be hypothetical for a second. Lets pretend the TTS really was no better that the latest Quad 215. You would still keep the the TTS and sell the Quad for the reasons I listed above.

I really do believe the TTS is the best, I am just tryiong to illustrate the fact that it is yours to keep once you buy.

ALL BIG PROGRAMS ARE QUIRKY WITH CRUISE......sorry you feel it's only me OX....maybe one day you'll have one and can see for yourself.....although your truck will want to push more at a light.

edit: guess I should add the push a the light thing is a joke....good forbid I piss off any other cults:rolleyes:

):h at you, not with you....

Bronco raises a very good point, and something I never thought of with the TTS tune. It also seems to me though that those with the Extreme are all guys pushing the envelope. I know I for one would eat the $1300 I spent on the Extreme if something better was available. If, and I stress IF, any other better program (in my opinion) came out I'd buy it no questions asked. If it really was a better program the Extreme would get put on the shelf beside a couple other tuners I have yet to be able to sell.

So while Bronco has a point I don't think it applies to the majority or possibly any of the Extreme owners. I think most if not all of us have the Extreme not because we can't sell it but because we feel it works the best for us. I also think that if something better ever does exist the majority of us Extreme owners will have it.

Well this is what really has to happen. I mean what value does a custom PCM have to someone else? You had it made for your truck, you spent 1300.00 dollars and it does not have near that value on a different truck. So the way I see it, once you buy it you have to keep it and like it. It only makes sense that you sell the rest of your stuff that no longer stacks with your new custom PCM.


Once you take the plunge you cant go back. You love the tune whether you want to or not.

Lets be hypothetical for a second. Lets pretend the TTS really was no better that the latest Quad 215. You would still keep the the TTS and sell the Quad for the reasons I listed above.

I really do believe the TTS is the best, I am just trying to illustrate the fact that it is yours to keep once you buy.



100% Wrong in my case! I also have my STOCK ECM so I'm not handicapped ONE bit.You can also stack on the TTS ECM with plug and play!

Lets be true here.The only ones whining are the ones that can't, er um,haven't got them :nutkick:


No smoke and mirrors


All BS aside,The TTS rocks on my truck ,do you need a list of why?

I played with them all,and no way am I going backasswords!

Lets ask Buck in NC ,why don't we see if it isn't the staple to build on. :smoke2:

Each and every critic would just love to be on the waiting list. :stick_out

100% Wrong in my case! I also have my STOCK ECM so I'm not handicapped ONE bit.You can also stack on the TTS ECM with plug and play!

Lets be true here.The only ones whining are the ones that can't, er um,haven't got them :nutkick:


No smoke and mirrors


All BS aside,The TTS rocks on my truck ,do you need a list of why?

I played with them all,and no way am I going backasswords!

Lets ask Buck in NC ,why don't we see if it isn't the staple to build on. :smoke2:

Each and every critic would just love to be on the waiting list. :stick_out

:funnypost


"Each and every critic would just love to be on the waiting list. :stick_out"


:stirthepo



:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Lets be true here.The only ones whining are the ones that can't, er um,haven't got them :nutkick:


Well if Extreme was available for the LLY I wouldn't have been http://www.qinsp.com/k/owned.gif
by the SoCal III :rant:

:muahaha:

Well if Extreme was available for the LLY I wouldn't have been http://www.qinsp.com/k/owned.gif
by the SoCal III :rant:

:muahaha:
Kat
Be nice. I have influence.):h

Kat
Be nice. I have influence.):h
I'm always nice ;) Well maybe it's a good thing:eek: Pat is leaving for TX tonight to pick up a used CMM machine... Last time he got 2 written warnings... I don't want to fly to TX to bail his A$$ out:lol:

Lets ask Buck in NC ,why don't we see if it isn't the staple to build on. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/smoke2.gif

Each and every critic would just love to be on the waiting list. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/stick_out_tongue.gif
Bottom line... it is worth the wait, however long the list is. How does 12.3x on diesel only sound...? How about a fix for the 125mph limit... in the quarter milehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rockon.gif?


Buck

It's my daily driver on my 2002. Cruise doesn't agree with it, but plenty driveable. I think you'll see my truck in the 12's without spray this season...

You have larger than stock injector nozzles and a modified turbo so it wouldn't be a good indication of what any program is capable of by itself.

Carbon.....what did you run the 13.17 with?

quad215 ver1.20/edge hot lv 3..........................last fall, borrowed the quad to try it.

I guess I got lucky ... 2 weeks and a few days and my Extreme arrived today :ro) My crystal ball told me "all" extremes should ship late this week or early next week for those who have their paperwork in ...

Looking forward to an "extremely" good weekend :)

I guess I got lucky ... 2 weeks and a few days and my Extreme arrived today :ro) My crystal ball told me "all" extremes should ship late this week or early next week for those who have their paperwork in ...

Looking forward to an "extremely" good weekend :)
So how does it roll.............;)

:D

So how does it roll.............;)

:DNot sure yet ..still haven't taken it out of the bubble wrap as I've been busy with work today :( Besides it's raining...may wait until the weekend. My truck freaked me out yesterday by starting and running only a few seconds and died. Did it twice then ran fine (posted in a separate thread) in the LB7 section. I want to make sure I don't have a problem before installing the Extreme.

Who is running the Extreme without a lift pump? Will I need one? I probably won't be dragging much (Note, I say this before it's installed :))...daily driver and tow some. Will probably do a truck pull for the first time this Sept. during a local harvest festival/truck pull gig. tie rod sleeves a must? Damn, when does it all end?

I have been running it for the last 4 months without a lift pump and it does fine.......it definately could use one since my actual rail pressure is around 10,500psi at WOT when the commanded is 23,000psi.

Looking at the smoke difference in ryanu's videos of before and after lift pump, seems like it helps a lot with the extreme.

I ordered mine on March the 3rd... Still waiting for GM to "pick up" my order. I've been passed up two times now (as of 3-16). The dealer told me 8 to 10 weeks... Is that before or after GM takes my order? :confused:

2005HD GMC CC D/A Carbon Metallic fully loaded SLE... I HOPE! :help:

I agree, the video clearly shows more smoke with the lift pump. I just don't want to be starving the motor for fuel...but didn't think there was a lift pump setup available that lasted very long?

Looking at the smoke difference in ryanu's videos of before and after lift pump, seems like it helps a lot with the extreme.
http://www.dmaxperformance.com/downloads/smoke.wmv

theres the link again some people may have missed it now that its fallin back in the pages. the lift pump did help. BTW i also noticed that the Purolator fuel filter i put on it(before the lift pump) actually seemed to cut down my fueling as opposed to a stock fuel filter that was on before the Purolator. dunno why but it did

I had my extreme within 2 weeks of them receiving my paperwork:ro) I do believe God was on my side:muahaha: I love it:D

I agree, the video clearly shows more smoke with the lift pump. I just don't want to be starving the motor for fuel...but didn't think there was a lift pump setup available that lasted very long?
check out super diesel's lift pump setup. easy install(compared to other stuff i have done) and wiring somewhat simple. Mine is workin great and i like being able to choose whether the big pump comes on or not.

i'll second that. I just got one from Josh last weekend. wiring harness is nothing short of beautiful. waterproof heat shrink, very nice professional job. as good or better than any other harness i've seen. comes with relays, waterproof fueses, ring terminals, switches, hobbes, all ready to plug in. install was pretty easy and he insulates it quite well from vibration so i can't even hear the 6.5 pump standing next to it with the truck at idle..

i'll have more test data re: fuel pressue and rail pressure in the next week or so but so far i'm pretty happy! good going Mike and Josh!

check out super diesel's lift pump setup. easy install(compared to other stuff i have done) and wiring somewhat simple. Mine is workin great and i like being able to choose whether the big pump comes on or not.

Where can I checkout SD's stuff? Also interested in the tierod sleeves.

Where can I checkout SD's stuff? Also interested in the tierod sleeves.
shoot him a pm and he can supply you with info and pics

Super diesel needs to get his web page back up eh? Or have a section on here similar to the nictane section? Someplace where people can check out his stuff...

come on micheal, show us your stuff):h ):h

i'll post some pictures soon..

You need a liftpump with the extreme. I dont think it will do any damage but you will be giving up HP and it will get worse depending how low the tank is and if the filter isnt new.

I'm workin on it. I need more hours in the day though.

I'm going to install the Extreme tomorrow ...where are people mounting the little toggle switch? Out of sight? In the dash, console? Must one use the little toggle or could a guy use a larger 3 position toggle? ...something that looks man-lier :) or I guess I could call it "the little switch that could". Perhaps it's small for a reason? :confused:

I have a reg cab. I have the little compartment in the middle of the dash close to the floor. Duno what it could really hold except a wallet or something. I have my switch in there. Its all stealthy like:secret:

Mine is mounted on the bottom of the dash directly under the steering column. There is a factory hole there that it fits in nicely. I wonder if the switch is small so as not to be detected?:muahaha:

Mine is mounted on the bottom of the dash directly under the steering column. There is a factory hole there that it fits in nicely. I wonder if the switch is small so as not to be detected?:muahaha:
I have mine in the same place. Just installed it yesterday with a full tank of fuel. Had to hit the fuel station this morning!!!! Going corvette hunting with friends can have a EXTREMELY large impact on fuel mileage!!! :ro)

Are you guys talking about at the very bottom where the brace runs across the bottom of the dash?

Lets get back on topic,I don't think the poor suckers who are TTS less are done wallowing in their sorrow.


:D

Are you guys talking about at the very bottom where the brace runs across the bottom of the dash?

Yup that is where mine is,no drilling required

The switch size was picked so it would fit in the hole on the bottom of the dash brace. This would make it so no drilling was required and it would be in an easy to reach position.

Gotcha, makes sense. Thanks.