i'm thinking of buying a 6 guntuner or ajuice with attitude any comments wellcom. also do i need to change exhaust or air filter ? plan on towing a 10,000 lb camper 5th wheel have 2002 6.6:help:

Edge with attitude all the way!! Features are AWESOME!! Many adjustments and safety features. It is not required to have an aftermarket exhaust, but it may be a good idea to keep the egts down pulling your big load. I removed my muffler and it was cheap and dropped my egts a ton.

I have the 6-gun with speed loader on my 03/cc/sb and am very happy with the performance especially when towing. I gutted the airbox and replaced the muffler with something less restrictive but have not made any other engine mods (These two mods are a good idea even with a totally stock motor). The speed loader includes the EGT probe and auto backdown if EGT's get too high. Banks also makes a boost/egt gauge package that plugs right into the 6gun, and it's next on my list.

I installed my Banks at 22K miles and am now at 50K miles with no problems.

I have a Banks Six Gun/Speed Loader, Banks 4' Exhaust, and a K&N intake. My Buddy has the same truck as me, with the same intake, and a straight-piped stock exhaust. I smoke him every time, with his Edge/Attitude, personally I would go with the company that has 40 years of expierence rather than one that is less than five years old. BANKS knows their stuff, if you have the six gun with the stock tranny you cant run it above level three with a heavy trailer, but it still makes a ton of difference with heavy trailers!! BANKS is the way to go

Many are happy with the 6-Gun, but myself, I'd rather go with the Edge or the VA. Simple plug in operation with the module living under hood. Easy to remove etc.

I guess if the latest 6 gun is so strong, I had better get mine updated. Mine won't run with a 90HP Juice...

thanks guys for your imput.it will be banks or juice now big dicision ????????

where is the best place to buy in your opinion????

What JhnZ71 said.

I am happy with juice...I pull a fiver all over the Country.

Juice.


Banks has been around for years but that does not automatically make them better.


A nice advantage Juice/Attitude has over Banks is, you can remove it in less than 5 minutes when you take it in to the dealer for warranty work.

Juice/Attitude is all in one, no extra guages to buy.

Straight pipe or 4" exhaust to help keep temps down.

rverfultime do you have a stock exhaust or what do you have???

rverfultime do you have a stock exhaust or what do you have???

I have a Banks Six Gun/Speed Loader, Banks 4' Exhaust, and a K&N intake. My Buddy has the same truck as me, with the same intake, and a straight-piped stock exhaust. I smoke him every time, with his Edge/Attitude, personally I would go with the company that has 40 years of expierence rather than one that is less than five years old. BANKS knows their stuff, if you have the six gun with the stock tranny you cant run it above level three with a heavy trailer, but it still makes a ton of difference with heavy trailers!! BANKS is the way to go

Where is my B/S smiley when I need it! Censored

There were many heated discussions and dyno info about this not long ago. Juice/Attitude was the clear power winner. Banks was also the last major chip maker to produce a chip for the Dmax. So, Juice has Banks beat in the Dmax experience catagory. BTW, Banks requires you to soldier a wire onto the instrument panel, which is not easily removed for service. J/A has built in guages and includes the egt back down and transmission monitoring features. Most of us here use the J/A for fun and heavy hauling and think it is great! :grd:

Where is my B/S smiley when I need it! Censored

BTW, Banks requires you to soldier a wire onto the instrument panel, which is not easily removed for service.
I think you need to use that B/S smiley on yourself! ):h Don't know where you got that bit of information but it is FALSE!!!!!!!!-:t

what terrain twister said, i just installed attitude/ juice today and with the overhead mount it will take some time to remove. i hook my banks up the same way now with tuner under the hood and a extension wire on speedloader to switch so knob is only thing in cab takes less time to unhook and rehook banks now, the egt wire on the edge does not come with a quick disconnect and must be removed with the edge box if you heat shrink it. also so far the juice does not feel much stronger, it is the hot juice! 2 more weeks till the track opens

cdhd2001,
I think you're confusing the first version with the second version of the 6-gun. I've seen no dyno numbers for the Juice with Attitude outperform the 'Gun'.

I dont think you will see any difference in boxs that has trans slip protection and is using a stock trany

You are saying you dont think your hot juice feels any stronger than your off the shelf banks box(or the comp)? And you have a trans right?

cdhd2001,
I think you're confusing the first version with the second version of the 6-gun. I've seen no dyno numbers for the Juice with Attitude outperforms the 'Gun'.

All of the threads I have read here show the Banks to under perform compared to the juice. Also, as a fellow member commented, I vote Banks the best written advertising award. Remember the Banks statement of being the highest power tuner/box for the Dmax? Big advertising lie! Quad, VA, and TTS are just a few that completely blow Banks out the water! BTW, the Banks raises rail pressure, which has been shown to contribute to injector failure.

To each his own. There are plenty of posts for someone to read if they want to do the search. I personally will not send my money to a company that blatantly lies to consumers.

:rant:

It only raises rail pressure on level 6 with speedloader-and within safe levels. Where are these threads that have version 2 of the Gun underperform compared to the Juice?

What JhnZ71 said.
I think that you can depend on what John Kennedy says here. He tests them all and runs the best on his trucks.:)

That's why I wish he would get his 6-gun reflashed and test it.

It only raises rail pressure on level 6 with speedloader-and within safe levels. Where are these threads that have version 2 of the Gun underperform compared to the Juice?

Dieselpower (site owner) and JK did some independent testing. Terrain Twister was supposed to? Trippen also. BTW, I don't have the free time at the moment to do the search and list, but it is there for anyone who wants to search.

I personally do not feel safe with increased fuel pressure, "safe" or not. :eek:

As far as juice removal, mine is easy. I have the attitude velco'd to the dash and have a hole/gromet in the fire wall. Total time to remove including the egt probe (cap on the fitting) is 10 mins. Faster now that I have had some practice (long story).

The new "race" version may be comparable to the Juice powerwise. I like what I have and have no problem reccommending it to anyone. :ro)

Hi cdhd2001,

Don't think anyone is looking for a pissing match so let me give MY opinion again and state what I know as facts (should be quick with what little I know ):h ). For playing around, I'd go with the Edge. It has about 10 more ponies up top. For towing, Banks. It has that same 10 ponies down low where needed for towing.

Both are good boxes and both have had problems.

And yes, I did do testing and I believe I even posted it. But for those that didn't see it or can't find it I'll state what the numbers where.

Actual on day of testing was 396, 778.
Correct numbers for approx. time and day, 411, 809.

Witnesses that day: Trippin, McRat, WanaDmaxsub, diesel5 and others.

dyno numbers never tell the whole story unless you look at horsepower gains across the whole powerband peak horspower gains are for benchracing and advertisment to get the whole picture you must compare average gains, i have done this using the posted dyno numbers by the respective companies and the came out nearly identical different trucks different days so its not a fair comparision but you can bet that both companies posted their best results you can do a search for the results, i have spoken to kennedy and as far as i know he only tested the first version, and i pmed trippen about his banks and he he had lent a friend , my truck ran fine with the gun 14.3 on stock trans with normal settings never ran the hot juice this way,again i will be going to the track soon and it will be the custom banks(no safeties) vs the hot juice(no safeties) on the same truck, as of right now less than 24hrs after edge install there is no seat of the pants differance for note i have yet to open the instruction manual for the edge so i may be doing something wrong i really do not care which is faster right now cause i plan on going faster than either one can take me by itself.

dyno numbers never tell the whole story unless you look at horsepower gains across the whole powerband peak horspower gains are for benchracing and advertisment to get the whole picture you must compare average gains, i have done this using the posted dyno numbers by the respective companies and the came out nearly identical differant trucks differant days so its not a fair comparision but you can bet that both companies posted their best results you can do a search for the results, i have spoken to kennedy and as far as i know he only tested the first version, and i pmed trippen about his banks and he he had lent a friend , my truck ran fine with the gun 14.3 on stock trans with normal settings never ran the hot juice this way,again i will be going to the track soon and it will be the custom banks(no safeties) vs the hot juice(no safeties) on the same truck, as of right now less than 24hrs after edge install there is no seat of the pants differance for note i have yet to open the instruction manual for the edge so i may be doing something wrong i really do not care which is faster right now cause i plan on going faster than either one can take me by itself.
The most salient point is this:

Without a built transmission you will not get the most respective power out of either the banks or the EDGE without them backing down power to protect you from nuking your transmission.


So if Edge makes 200 and the banks 155 (hypothetically speaking) and the tranny will only hold a maximum of 90 hp before slip occurs, the net gain out of both boxes (if their tranny monitoring algorithims and backdown are the same) will be 90 hp

That is the bottom line.:D

Smashfoot,
Your question of which tuner is better is subjective and to most on the place is personal.
I would search the files and come to your own conclusion; thats what I did.
Purchased EdgeJuice/Attitude for towing about the same weight as you. I tow on #2 and daily drive 0n #3, runs silky smooth. I had to go to the dealer two weeks ago, unpluged the juice, took the pyro outand put a plug in the manifold. Took the overhead console down popped out the Attitude turned it sideways put the shelf on , taped the Attitude to it and reinstalled the console, looks factory.
:ro):grd:

you can not lose either way but by no means is the edge the dominate one its a fair shake between the two, so why not own both.

I like my edge/juice, and thats all i got to say about that.

Purchased From: Merchant Automotive (dmaxallitech)
Great guy and knows his stuff about these here diesels.

Edge is best because its what I have!:lol::muahaha::ro)

I've had the J/A for approx 2 years. The thing is great. I tow a 11K 5th-wheel toyhauler on level 2 all day long.