What is everyone getting on level 5 of there EVO for mpg? Hand calculated both city, highway and mixed.

Nobody has any results on level 5? I want to buy a evolution but am very curious what people have been getting on level 5 when they use it correctly.

Nobody has any results on level 5? I want to buy a evolution but am very curious what people have been getting on level 5 when they use it correctly.

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This is what I am consistently getting:)

Regards,

Eric

wow great reviews and numbers thank you

1....(economy) 21.75 mpg mixed city and highway. This is a solid economy tune and I believe that it might be better overall than level 5 (hot 1) if you are going to do mostly city driving. I have about 450 miles on this tune. NO codes.

Eric,
How are you getting this? I got maybe 80% city 20% outer loop/bypass 45 to 65mph nothing over 1900rpms and best I can get is 16.2 which is about what stock is. 50/50 or so I get 18.5 or so stock over 21 on hwy stock. My tuner does not gain me much, I think, if at all.

ejc,
Are you running the old tunes or the new?

1....(economy) 21.75 mpg mixed city and highway. This is a solid economy tune and I believe that it might be better overall than level 5 (hot 1) if you are going to do mostly city driving. I have about 450 miles on this tune. NO codes.

Eric,
How are you getting this? I got maybe 80% city 20% outer loop/bypass 45 to 65mph nothing over 1900rpms and best I can get is 16.2 which is about what stock is. 50/50 or so I get 18.5 or so stock over 21 on hwy stock. My tuner does not gain me much, I think, if at all.

ejc...I wasn't running anywhere near 80% city when doing my test. If I had to really put a well thought out number to it I bet it would be about 45% city 55 highway. I am manic when it comes to driving style when I am trying to conserve (as I am sure you are also), even down to the point where I drive "looking down the road" to the next light and if it has changed or is about to...I will let off the throttle. I don't get anywhere near 1900 rpms. I have 32,000 miles and believe the motor is broke in. The motor breathes in and out exceptionally well (intake and exhaust). Around town I try to stay just inside of 5th gear and "unlocked". Now I run a SC 1056 TC which multiplies my torque very well when unlocked. I have found that if I am in 5th and unlocked, I am running 35-37 mph @ 1100 rpm. I can get an honest 28-30 mpg doing this (level ground). This is without a doubt the "sweet spot", but realistically....how long can a guy do this? I spend a lot of time when I do my "city" driving, trying to stay in this "sweet spot". Obviously everything under the sun interupts that....lights...other cars...etc. But....I do what I can to hold it and it obviously goes down from there.

Something else I really believe in....every fluid in the truck except for brake and coolant is synthetic and I run 1.5 x's the dose rate of Staynadyne Performance additive. I know that a lot of folks say hogwash to one or both....but I am a serious believer.

Hope this helps:)

Eric

Eric,
How do these numbers compare to your stock numbers?

Eric,
How do these numbers compare to your stock numbers?

Well.....I was around 18-18.5, stock and driving the way I described. However....I did so many mods in a short amount of time, without really tesing for mileage as I went, that I really can't say what was the biggest contributor. I suspect it is a combination of everything.....least I hope so.....:)

Eric

Pretty good improvement I would say!!

Pretty good improvement I would say!!

Well.....it really is, but I find it takes so much effort to push it to that (and I can't do it reliably...traffic etc.) level that it really is a PITA sometimes. So....the majority of the time I just do what I can "reasonably" do...and go with that.

Eric

Now level 5 is another story....and I too would like to see all the guys running this, put some serious effort into it and post what they are getting:).

Eric

Well.....I was around 18-18.5, stock and driving the way I described. However....I did so many mods in a short amount of time, without really tesing for mileage as I went, that I really can't say what was the biggest contributor. I suspect it is a combination of everything.....least I hope so.....:)

Eric

Hmmmm,
Now I am really wondering whether there is any benefit at all from the tuners over stock MPG. If I run 55%-60% Hwy and rest city, I do log in about 18 to 18.5 stock. I get about the same on level 1 and level 3. I can get over 21 on HWY with keeping it at 65 or less. Both trucks BTW I can do that. I am thinking that other than extra power there may not be any mileage benefits from tuners and upgrades, at least for some people.

I am running new tunes BTW and I am about the same as old tunes in sig. trucks. I bet I would get a little better if I went back to stock tires/wheels on my 2500HD.

Hmmmm,
Now I am really wondering whether there is any benefit at all from the tuners over stock MPG. If I run 55%-60% Hwy and rest city, I do log in about 18 to 18.5 stock. I get about the same on level 1 and level 3. I can get over 21 on HWY with keeping it at 65 or less. Both trucks BTW I can do that. I am thinking that other than extra power there may not be any mileage benefits from tuners and upgrades, at least for some people.

I am running new tunes BTW and I am about the same as old tunes in sig. trucks. I bet I would get a little better if I went back to stock tires/wheels on my 2500HD.

I think you are right on this....I believe that some "upgrades" can have a negative effect, subtracting from what you are achieving as a whole. At the end of the day if a person is getting more power and finds no statistical signifigant difference, they have a huge net plus. I believe it would still be worth doing.

Also...you probably would get a little better mileage with your stock tires than your 265's....but the 265's are not that big.

Remember, I found no signifigant difference between level 1 and level 5 (hot 1) in mixed driving, however I did see an inprovement with those levels over the stock tuning. And....I still believe that level 5 (hot 1) is the real gem when it comes to "open road" driving. Give that a serious try on your 2500, driving for all the mpg's you can muster and tell us what you get. :)

Eric

Nobody else has done any testing on level 5? It sounds like Buck is the man. I think I might have to give the evo a Try. I am looking for mileage more than anything and it sounds like the level 5 Evo is the way to go.

23.67 mpg for the first 1/2 tank mostly hwy!:eek::D

23.67 mpg for the first 1/2 tank mostly hwy!:eek::D


Nice........:)


Eric

23.67 mpg for the first 1/2 tank mostly hwy!:eek::D

Is that off the DIC or hand calculated?

Is that off the DIC or hand calculated?
Hand calculated! up to 70 mph!

I just loaded HOT-1. I'll get a good feel for how it does for me over the next couple of days. I am not caling BS on anyone but I will admit that I am skeptical. I have tried numerous combinations over the past couple of years and have never gotten results like others have reported on anything I have tried. The KD custom tune is the exception. have gotten my best mpg's with it (18 rural driving and 20 hiway). I hope I can see numbers like a couple of you have posted.

cowdoc let me know how you did with mpg.

Hey how accurate were the DIC economy readouts on level 5 for you guys??? Mine is showing that I am averaging around 24-25mpg but I put the tune in with a half tank of fuel so no way to hand calculate!

Hey how accurate were the DIC economy readouts on level 5 for you guys??? Mine is showing that I am averaging around 24-25mpg but I put the tune in with a half tank of fuel so no way to hand calculate!
i filled completly up an now at half tank with mostly driving in the country at 50 to 60 mph the dic shows 26.1 i had some interstate drving too. hope this is rite. i do seem to tell im going further jus by how quik the gauge moves. its slower. seems.:cool:

Hope it works well for you cowdoc!

Hey how accurate were the DIC economy readouts on level 5 for you guys??? Mine is showing that I am averaging around 24-25mpg but I put the tune in with a half tank of fuel so no way to hand calculate!

DIC is way off on level 5. You have to hand calc on all of these levels. My last tank DIC showed 30.1 mpg. Actually hand calc to 22.44 mpg. This was a combination rural and city driving. Rural driving was done around 60mph. Estimating 60% of it was rural. Don't have many miles on this tank yet. Have been out of town and truck has been sitting in garage for last 1 1/2wk.

My DIC is way off as well and I knew it would be going into it. When I posted my 24.55 mpg over 350 miles on level 5 my DIC read 36.2. I am starting to get a feel for what I am getting based on the DIC readings now. There may be a fix in the future, of course that would be nice......but lvl 5 mileage may prove to be legendary. Time will tell as we get more and more people getting the miles needed on it to really wring it out.

Eric

Well I am planning a trip to Indy this weekend so I should be able to get some good highway miles on it then!

Well I was going to wait until I had to refuel to post any mileage numbers, but I decided to go ahead and give my impression after ~240 miles.

I'm glad some af you are claiming 22-24 mpg. I wish I could say the same :cool:.

Keep in mind that I am basing my calculations on my fuel gauge and miles traveled, not on a fill up. I have 240 miles on this tank of fuel driving like Grandpaw, and I have used a shade over 1/2 tank. Based on many, many, many mpg trials that I have done with different setups, I can comfortably say that I am getting 18-18.5 mpg driving 60 mph on country roads with the EVO on HOT-1 :mad:. (The lie-o-meter says 24.5 mpg.) I will verify everything when I refuel and report back.
Stock, I was getting 17-17.5 and with the KD custom ECM I am getting 18-18.5 as well.

I ran the Duramileage ECM for about 2500 miles and I have got to say that this tune acts and feels just like the Duramileage with very similar mileage results.

Like I mentioned before I installed the tune, I was very skeptical but willing to try it with an open mind. The tune is pretty smooth and the EGT's were lower than I expected based on some of the comments that have been made. Of course they may get high if you get on it pretty hard. I haven't done that because I was trying to squeeze every mpg I could out of the truck. The only quirk that I can find is that the 6-5 downshift is a little harsh, and sometimes the 5-6 shift. Has anyone else noticed this?

I have noticed that only 2 or 3 (maybe 4) people have reported mileage running this tune. Surely there are others. Please report back regardless of what kind of numbers you are seeing.

Well I was going to wait until I had to refuel to post any mileage numbers, but I decided to go ahead and give my impression after ~240 miles.

I'm glad some af you are claiming 22-24 mpg. I wish I could say the same :cool:.

Keep in mind that I am basing my calculations on my fuel gauge and miles traveled, not on a fill up. I have 240 miles on this tank of fuel driving like Grandpaw, and I have used a shade over 1/2 tank. Based on many, many, many mpg trials that I have done with different setups, I can comfortably say that I am getting 18-18.5 mpg driving 60 mph on country roads with the EVO on HOT-1 :mad:. (The lie-o-meter says 24.5 mpg.) I will verify everything when I refuel and report back.
Stock, I was getting 17-17.5 and with the KD custom ECM I am getting 18-18.5 as well.

I ran the Duramileage ECM for about 2500 miles and I have got to say that this tune acts and feels just like the Duramileage with very similar mileage results.

Like I mentioned before I installed the tune, I was very skeptical but willing to try it with an open mind. The tune is pretty smooth and the EGT's were lower than I expected based on some of the comments that have been made. Of course they may get high if you get on it pretty hard. I haven't done that because I was trying to squeeze every mpg I could out of the truck. The only quirk that I can find is that the 6-5 downshift is a little harsh, and sometimes the 5-6 shift. Has anyone else noticed this?

I have noticed that only 2 or 3 (maybe 4) people have reported mileage running this tune. Surely there are others. Please report back regardless of what kind of numbers you are seeing.

Driving style has alot to do with results.
1. How fast were you driving?
2. What rpm were most consistant at?
3. What mods on the truck? (big wheels, tires, etc... etc...)
4. Were there any city driving in the tests?
5. What boost were you seeing During the average operation conditions?
6. Is it a LLY or LBZ? Dont know how the results are for the LLY.
the personal emails i have received are more than 4 people just to confirm on the results.

Not to say this tune will not work for everyone. KD is a awsome tuner and spends alot of his time on his tunes so comparing the two are really hard i would expect the custom tune stuff to get MORE mileage than my EVO becuase of variences.

I tried my best to make the best programmer I can for the money. So if i can get majority to get better mileage just a little its worth it in the long run as long as it will pay for its self off in the future of using the product.

Thanks for the feedback from everyone I will continue to tweak here and there to fix everyone issues. Please Pm me at anytime i will try my best to help everyone.

Driving style has alot to do with results.
1. How fast were you driving? 60 mph
2. What rpm were most consistant at? 1500 rpm
3. What mods on the truck? (big wheels, tires, etc... etc...) check my sig
4. Were there any city driving in the tests? none
5. What boost were you seeing During the average operation conditions? 2-4 lbs.
6. Is it a LLY or LBZ? Dont know how the results are for the LLY. LBZ
the personal emails i have received are more than 4 people just to confirm on the results.

Not to say this tune will not work for everyone. KD is a awsome tuner and spends alot of his time on his tunes so comparing the two are really hard i would expect the custom tune stuff to get MORE mileage than my EVO becuase of variences. The mpg's so far have been about the same as what I am getting with KD's tune for rural driving.

I tried my best to make the best programmer I can for the money. So if i can get majority to get better mileage just a little its worth it in the long run as long as it will pay for its self off in the future of using the product.
Hey, this is a GREAT product with top notch customer service and I did gain at least 1 mgg over stock. I'm just not seeing the gains others are.

Thanks for the feedback from everyone I will continue to tweak here and there to fix everyone issues. Please Pm me at anytime i will try my best to help everyone.


Please don't think I am complaining. I am just reporting my findings. I wish I could get 24 mpg, but I did not realistically expect that I would. I used to say that the Predator was the best bang for the buck, but I have changed my mind. The EVO is definately the best bang for the buck on the market as far as I am concerned. Great product with people like Buck that go above and beyond the call of duty for the customer. To those getting 24 mpg..........congrats, and I hate you :D!

Cowdoc... I know you are giving your first impressions and you also mentioned that you had not calculated yet. If I remember right,...are you still running KD's ecm tune as the stock default or did you reprogram the ecm back to an original stock configuration? IIRC Kenedy (in another thread here) mentioned that it might be hard to really know what would happen when the Evo tunes were designed to alter the programming based on a stock ecm signal. I am not rebutting your findings as I am sure you are getting close to what you believe you are, right now. I believe that stacking, particularly looking for mpg, in a scenario like this would have more of a chance for mixed or unknown results than stacking for pure power (per se). I'm not jumping to conclusions....just couldn't remember where you were at with the KD tune.:)

Eric

Cowdoc....well it looks like I could have answered my own question if I had read the "return to stock" thread started this morning:duh:. Sounds like you saved your old ecm and traded it out to try this. If that's the case then all I can say is run it some more and calculate and let us know:).

Eric

Filled up yesterday. 18.12 mpg driving like Grandpa (I am one by the way)
On country roads @ 60 mph for the majority of the time. Not what I was hoping for so I put the KD ecm back in the truck.

Filled up yesterday. 18.12 mpg driving like Grandpa (I am one by the way)
On country roads @ 60 mph for the majority of the time. Not what I was hoping for so I put the KD ecm back in the truck.

Well...I have to admit that I like the "grandpa" part :). But I really don't like the huge disparity between your mileage and mine. I really don't have an answer for that !!!

Eric

OK update on my mileage results. We took a trip to St Louis and drove relatively sane until we hit city traffic (jackrabbit starts and just plain spirited driving). The trip consisted of about 100 miles of interstate and 50 miles of city driving. DIC is way off but did manage to net a solid 20mpg which may not sound like much but the city driving really did knock it down I would say. DIC mpg, fuel used, and range left are all off. I can understand the mpg and range being off but why the fuel used? When I filled up it said I had used 8.9 gals but in actuality had used 11.9.
In conclusion this tune does give you an increase in fuel economy as these trips have netted me an average of 16.5 - 17 mpg in the past. Also this tune makes the truck rumble more and less vacuum cleaner sound (due to less boost) which is great around town but can create a little droan (not bad) at about 1600 rpm.


:D:D:D Chris

Very good....with 1/3 of your trip, "spirited" city driving and you still wound up with 20 mpg.....excellent.

The "fuel used" is the very key to the calculations for your DIC mileage and range. My understanding is that it has to do with the "command" for fuel as opposed to what it got. Those three elements are are off for me as well........but I like your mileage:D.

Eric

wll today I took a 160 mile drive 90 percent freeway between 65 and 75and 20 miles were up a 6 percent grade I do have 35 inch tires and a 6 inch lift and got 19 mpg not too bad my dic was showing 23 so it is way off

wll today I took a 160 mile drive 90 percent freeway between 65 and 75and 20 miles were up a 6 percent grade I do have 35 inch tires and a 6 inch lift and got 19 mpg not too bad my dic was showing 23 so it is way off

Considering the size of your tires and the grade on your trip....that is great:).

more encouraging numbers........that great:thumb:

All Highway with the cruise set at 70. I got 20.5 hand calculated. Never had to touch the brakes traffic was that good. Filled the truck to the neck before i started and filled it to the neck when i was done. only did a 150 miles but was able to pull 20.5. Truck 285.75R16 tires with a ARE cap. Was hoping for better mpg but I will give it time. EGT's stayed around 680 to 720 when running 70 mph. DIC read 28.5 boost was about 3 to 4

I finally got to try out level 5 on a short tank. 160 miles in 4 short trips. 3 cold starts. 90 miles set at 65 mph, the rest mixed around town and 55 mph highway with lots of lights. a/c on the whole time. 20.9 hand calculated. Truck is stock except for synthetic fluids, 46k on the clock, still on the original air filter......I'm a happy guy