Well, let me tell you. I love these trucks. ALot of power, nice looking and great mileage.Would not buy anything else. The one thing i HATE about my 08 is how damn thin the metal is on the truck. The slightest little tap, and it dents! my 98 can get a cinderblock thrown at it (not really, but you get the point) and it won't dent nearly as much as the 08! Anyone else got something they don't like?

The big FAT plastic crome wana be bumer ends on the chevy....

Well, let me tell you. I love these trucks. ALot of power, nice looking and great mileage.Would not buy anything else. The one thing i HATE about my 08 is how damn thin the metal is on the truck. The slightest little tap, and it dents! my 98 can get a cinderblock thrown at it (not really, but you get the point) and it won't dent nearly as much as the 08! Anyone else got something they don't like?


ditto the sheetmetal is way to thin...and the dpf JUNK!

The horrible bummp steer GM decided was "good enough". There is near 2" of toe change from full droop to full compression.

Then there is the tattle tale GM put in the new ECM code to tell if you have ever loaded a tune.....that's put a stop to my plans to mod.

Then there is the fact that the market has dropped out from under these trucks in the last 4-6 months.....I could of saved 4 grand if I had waited and now my truck is worth less than what I had anticipated.

:( You did say just "one" thing.......oops

Other than that it's the best damn truck sold and I will buy another when the time comes.

Thin metal and cheap rear bumper!

sheet metal is a gripe for sure.

My gripe is if a guy is going chip the truck, garunteed your going to regen more then you want. got rid of the dpf and gonna see how it does.

Sheet metal does suck. Walked many times on the top of the bed of older trucks but never dented them as easily as this one. Noticed it the other day and thought it was hail damage but remember walking on the top edge tie stuff off.

Brian

Didn't come with a 10 year free fuel card from GM

that cheap metal keeps me busy.its the lightest stuff on the market right now,kia,saturn,honda, nissan ,dodge and ford all have better metal than whats on those nbs chevy's.Im glad i went with the classic

I love my truck, however, on the interior I which that the bucket seats came with fold down arm rests for a lot more comfort than whats presently offered....

The big FAT plastic crome wana be bumer ends on the chevy....
I agree, but I think my vote goes to the 26 gallon fuel tank on the short (standard) bed. Should be in the neighborhood of 34.

The crew cab is SMALLER than the ford's... It's alot more comfortable with a better seating position and seats but it is notably smaller.

... The one thing i HATE about my 08 is how damn thin the metal is on the truck.
LOL! yeah, the damned hood vibrates like a tuning fork at 60 mph! :rolleyes:
Mine was hit by a golf ball, leaving a good-sized impression, directly in my driver's field of view. Then, after I scraped someone else's side-view mirror with my rt-rear fender, I hired a DentPro guy to fix 'em both.

The Stealer quoted $1,600 for just the fender.
DentPro fixed both hood and fender for $300. ;)

LOL! yeah, the damned hood vibrates like a tuning fork at 60 mph! :rolleyes:
Mine was hit by a golf ball, leaving a good-sized impression, directly in my driver's field of view. Then, after I scraped someone else's side-view mirror with my rt-rear fender, I hired a DentPro guy to fix 'em both.

The Stealer quoted $1,600 for just the fender.
DentPro fixed both hood and fender for $300. ;)


I never thought of getting my hood undented. Its a small dent. Very small, but i see it EVERY time i go to my truck. I might get used to it. I don't want the paint to get ruined if they go to undent it.

I don't want the paint to get ruined if they go to undent it.

If the paint is not cracked or chipped you should be ok. Those dent removal guys are pretty good.

That damn fan that sounds like a jet engine lol!Also in T/H mode when you hit the brake on a good downhill run it downshifts and really hits the rpm's (a little over 4k) scared the poop outta me the first time, thought the thing was gonna blow!But I really love this truck so many more plus points.

I never thought of getting my hood undented. Its a small dent. Very small, but i see it EVERY time i go to my truck. I might get used to it. I don't want the paint to get ruined if they go to undent it.
got any pics of the dent?those hood are usually an easy fix

The field of vision for the towing mirrors are the worst I have ever seen. These mirrors SUCK compared to the mirrors on my wife's '03 'Burb, especially the pass side.

That's the only thing I don't like about my truck...

I didn't see any votes for the seatbelt locking mechanism... I hate it! I'm driving at highway speed and need to lean forward for something and the belt is locked... I go over a bump and it locks... I look at it the wrong way and it locks... Annoys the $#!t out of me! And the thin metal.... don't get me started... I do however love my truck :D Just wish GM wouldn't have skimped on the sheet metal...

got any pics of the dent?those hood are usually an easy fix

Honestly, its one of those dents where it might not even show in the pic. Its maybe an inch wide. Someone might not notice it, but i sure know its there. I'll see if i can get one up.

I didn't see any votes for the seatbelt locking mechanism... I hate it! I'm driving at highway speed and need to lean forward for something and the belt is locked... I go over a bump and it locks... I look at it the wrong way and it locks... Annoys the $#!t out of me! And the thin metal.... don't get me started... I do however love my truck :D Just wish GM wouldn't have skimped on the sheet metal...


Yea, i'll back you up on the seatbelt, even though i don't wear mine most of the time. I was going down a bumpy road, and there was a cop standing there looking for someone. I thought it was for people without seatbelts (they like to do that now) and i didn't have mine on. And because the road was so bumpy, the seatbelt locked up and i wasn't able to put it on without letting go of the brake. (it was semi steep hill) Luckily he either didn't see me, or i just didn't look at him lol.

my front seat does not recline all the way,and my truck is to long,other than that,glad it is not a ford!

i hate the door locks you have to put truck in park to let any one out

-Factory Locker
-Exhaust (DPF)
You can nickpick any vechile. These items can be upgraded so I'm pretty satisfied with what I got.

i hate the door locks you have to put truck in park to let any one out
You can change that on your dash display.

I dislike how much my truck squeeks and creaks. Other than that, I also dislike how narrow the wheel openings are. They need to build them wider so we could fit a decent size tire without having to lift the things so high. I'm also not a fan of the square openings.

I can't stand the ebony seats. My damn seats are friggin lint magnets. UNSAT for a vehicle this expensive!!!

The DPF and the size of the fuel tank, all of which can and will be fixed but essentially 2000 for stuff I didnt want in the first place.

The ability to do exhaust and not have to worry about warrenty. I really miss my stait-piped LBZ sound. Also the ability to fit tires. Other than that I really like this truck.

I can't stand the ebony seats. My damn seats are friggin lint magnets. UNSAT for a vehicle this expensive!!!

X 2 :mad:

On the door locks just hit the unlock button on your arm rest when dropping riders......... :D

What nobody hates the TPM settings so you can't air down empty without a flashing dash?

:mad:

ecm snitch & dpf

1. Tin can body

2. Crapy gas mileage (11mpg with programmer) driving as easy as I can

3. Low frame

4. Now clearance for sighty bigger tires

5. No power mirrors (unlike Ford)

6. Liked my 03 interior design better

I am so angry at myself for not getting a used truck to avoid this lame DPF:mad:. I have had this truck for 6 months now and has been a big mistake buying this truck. I know I can drop the DPF but then I have more issues with voiding the warranty.

Why can't they make trucks as a pick and choose components. Cummins motor, Allison tranny, solid front axle, and power wagon options!!!

The field of vision for the towing mirrors are the worst I have ever seen. These mirrors SUCK compared to the mirrors on my wife's '03 'Burb, especially the pass side.

That's the only thing I don't like about my truck... X2 I almost took a lady out a few weeks ago while towing. You have to jump around like a monkey to look past the blind spot. No matter how you adjust them its still there.

thin sheet metal.....dpf......emissions bs......plastic front bumper.... cheap rear bumper....fuzz sticks to everything if its not leather...but i wont anything but gm...im griping for no reason...oops....letting it off the chest
ONE LAST THING TPM SENSORS....

DPF by far but the lack of wheel selection and gearing on the dually drives me crazy.

TERRIBLE MPG's compared to my 03 & 04

Thin metal and pretty sorry paint job.

Wood Trim only choice on upper level trucks (getting used to it, but still don't like it)

Lack of being able to run a 33" tire without a lift or major cutting

The obvious DPF and the fear of voiding warranty with removal (since you then have to have a programmer)

Low end Nav (compared to my acura anyway)

New squeak or rattle every week.

Center console storage that had no thought put into it what so ever (just a big pit)

I really do love this truck. Its the piss poor fuel economy that really strikes a bad nerve for me. With all of todays technology, to actually go backwards only tells me one thing. They are getting some nice kickbacks from the oil companies. :mad: :rolleyes: :mad:

1. Tin can body

2. Crapy gas mileage (11mpg with programmer) driving as easy as I can

3. Low frame

4. Now clearance for sighty bigger tires

5. No power mirrors (unlike Ford)

6. Liked my 03 interior design better

I am so angry at myself for not getting a used truck to avoid this lame DPF:mad:. I have had this truck for 6 months now and has been a big mistake buying this truck. I know I can drop the DPF but then I have more issues with voiding the warranty.

Why can't they make trucks as a pick and choose components. Cummins motor, Allison tranny, solid front axle, and power wagon options!!!

This whole statement scares me about buying one. There are so many good things I read about these trucks and how people love them and dont regret their move from their previous truck then I see this? 11 MPG with programmer? Damn I think this is the worst one I have read about yet to date. Makes me compelled to ask what size tires and lift your running (if any at all) to get that crappy of fuel mileage.

Also if your worried about the DPF delete and warranty issues havent you already ruined that warranty issue simply by running a programmer based on your mpg statement? Might as well dump the DPF since your already running a programmer and have technically voided your warranty anyway? What kind of truck do you have to net 11MPG? Kodiak or Topkick 4500 or larger?

I hate the big ugly Chrome bumper corners, and the crappy headlights. I sold an '06 Ford Superduty for this one, and although I have no regrets at all, the headlight brightness is no comparison. These Chevy lights suck!

I just bought 6000k HID's to get it back to where it needs to be.

I hate the fact that the driver info center in the dash keeps popping up stupid little messages all the time. Like I give a crap that my parking assist is off.

the monthly payments!!!!!!

Nobody besides me dislikes the fact that they left out the rear seat A/C vents? That and the wheel opening size that is too small, (it can be fixed with a plastic deadblow hammer swung very hard). The responsiveness of the LMM compared to the LBZ really bothered me but that was taken care of along with the DPF.

As with everyone else........

Thin body metal; my hood rattles at speed

Towing mirror FOV; just cant see sh*t out of em'

Tiny glove box; can barely fit a compact pistol in there much less anything else.

No ash tray (at least not on mine); they make great coin holders!!

I do however love my truck and will never buy a ford or dodge, much less another gas engine.

the small fuel tank (I know I dont have an LMM, but the short bed LMM's have the same 26 gallon tank as mine)

No vents in the rear
No rear seat recline adjustment
Thin metal
DPF


BUT, I LOVE THIS TRUCK

No warranty if I mount a snowplow on the diesels
I can't get the D-MAX/Allison combo in my NEW F-350

No vents in the rear
No rear seat recline adjustment
Thin metal
DPF


BUT, I LOVE THIS TRUCK

Actually i found the rear vents. their under both the seats.

Most of my gripes have already been mentioned.

But I actually like the towing mirrors.

My biggest beef is you only have that silly little LED on the 4wd knob to remind you you're in 4x4-HI. I really think there should be a light or a message on the dash for this! Or, I'd just prefer a floor-mount lever!

--Rob

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But I actually like the towing mirrors.



Same here! Adjust your spotter to just the top of the bed. It can be done so there is NO blindspot between the regular mirror and the spotter. I had a canopy and tow a camping trailer - can watch a car go from one mirror to the other with no blind spot!

:D

I guess it all depends on your frame of reference. Coming from a '95 6.5TD, it is hard to come up with something to hate about it. This truck is fantastic - didn't buy for the mpg. Bought it to tow and it does that great!

If I had to come up with something ---- uhhhhh - hmmmm....

Takes more time to wash than the '95. Much Bigger!
Metal is thinner but not complaining yet - no dents.
Paint looks to be thin - hopefully it will last a long time.
Rear tires wear out quicker :rolleyes:My list is much longer for the things I like!

DPF
Lint on the seats
Thin sheet metal

What gets me is the cargo light that wont come on unless your in park. I cruise down the highway at night and want to take a peak at the bed to make sure nothing is flying, cant do it.

Lint magnet seats
26 Gallon Fuel Tanks
Regen smell is annoying (can't see how burning extra fuel is saving the environment)
everything else is ok with me

There's a few things I don't like, but they've already been mentioned. My only real gripe isn't even with the truck, but the companies I use for fuel, but that's another story.:cool:

Lint on the seats
Thin sheet metal

These are the two gripes I guess I have.

DPF was going to be there no matter which new Diesel pickup I bought so I can't gripe about that too much.

Dpf Really Sucks And The Fact If You Do A Little Mod The Ecm Will Tell On You

Most of my gripes have already been mentioned.

But I actually like the towing mirrors.

My biggest beef is you only have that silly little LED on the 4wd knob to remind you you're in 4x4-HI. I really think there should be a light or a message on the dash for this! Or, I'd just prefer a floor-mount lever!

--Rob

X2!!!

I myself am a duner and tow in the sand every other weekend. More than once I have been 30 miles down the road on the way home before i realized it was in 4WD still. .....And yes, I pay attention and know my truck well, but after spending a couple hours loading and airing up, its not the first thing on my mind.

What gets me is the cargo light that wont come on unless your in park. I cruise down the highway at night and want to take a peak at the bed to make sure nothing is flying, cant do it.

......forgot to mention that one too. :mad:

I can't stand the lack of interior storage on the LTZ models

This a popular thread, guess we all had a little to say about the things we didnt like...Josh

my dislike is the heater/ac controls. i find them very distracting

i agree ^^^ i prefer knobs. as well as dpf, seat belt, sheet metal, klunk in the front end no one can find, IFS, and crappy orange peel paint.

DPF blows
and I realy hate the way the temps climb when towing a heavy load up hills..
I know they say the gauge is off but. Wait Im sorry this is the first time GM has put a temp gauge in a truck. Maybe the will get it right next year:o:

Bad in Black. I guess you have the same problem with the 4wd being on. Read my thread on I dont like the 4wd knob. At least you didnt break anything. See you in the dunes. Oct 31 is coming quick and I got to get the trany in to the shop for the rail.

that goofy lookin stock tip

Bad in Black. I guess you have the same problem with the 4wd being on. Read my thread on I dont like the 4wd knob. At least you didnt break anything. See you in the dunes. Oct 31 is coming quick and I got to get the trany in to the shop for the rail.

Ya, I watch the gauges like a hawk, so if there was a light on the dash, I would be golden. But I don't look at the 4X4 knob when driving and the little led cant even be seen if its sunny. I'm sure I would notice in a second if I wasn't towing anything, but towing makes it a little more difficult to tell its in 4X4 high if you aren't turning sharp.

I think my vote goes to the 26 gallon fuel tank on the short (standard) bed. Should be in the neighborhood of 34.
That's my only gripe. Wished the tank was bigger. 26 gallons is a joke, especially when towing heavy.

At 8k miles, it's already got way too many rattles in the cab...

I gotta agree on the sheet metal problem also. I think the best way to protect the sheet metal is to lift these trucks taller than the crowd . The other complaint that i have is the squeeky sound from rubber around the doors when the truck goes over stuff at an angle. Other than that I'm impressed and boy does these trucks turn heads.

I felt the same way on just about everything mentioned above. Thats why I switched back to the 07 classic. I wouldn't go back to the LLY or LMM. Interior rattled and felt cheap. Hated the heater and 4wd nobs, lint, SH!TTY mpg with and without DPF compared to LLY and LBZ. Always worring about the warranty with any tuner or exhaust mods.

Creaky cab narrow wheel wells and nothing bigger than the 17" rims from the factory

Add to my list the small cup holders.

Add to my list the shitty sheet metal. Fuel nozzel came undone and slapped down on the side of the truck. Paintless dent man commin tomorrow. Not happy with only 700 miles on it!

cant fit large tires,dpf, sheet metal, difficult paint scheme when trying to get a gauge pillar to match stock, dpf,dpf, dpf, taddle tale computer, tire pressure gauge sensors,dpf, automatic headlights, and the dpf.

but really i love my truck and wouldnt trade it for anything. it looks great and fits me.

26G tank - solved with Titan
No 4x4 indicator light in cluster
DPF - I guess I could solve this one
No backup camera - I know it's a toy but still somewhat handy
Climate control buttons - a knob would help adjust temp faster

how about those fricking rear seat belts that cut you to pieces! anybody got ideas or tried something to make them more comfortable?

This LMM truck sounds like a bucket of shit after reading these. WOW! I think I might have to really reconsider buying this LMM truck and pull my 05 off the market and just wait for a better GM truck. I cant believe all that I am reading. Simply Amazing. I hope the people at GM who build these trucks are taking good notes because this is not good at all.

This LMM truck sounds like a bucket of shit after reading these. WOW! I think I might have to really reconsider buying this LMM truck and pull my 05 off the market and just wait for a better GM truck. I cant believe all that I am reading. Simply Amazing. I hope the people at GM who build these trucks are taking good notes because this is not good at all.

It may sound that way, but look at what most of these people (myself included) complain about. Do you really see anything serious here? Maybe the thin sheet metal, but go browse some of the Dodge and Ford forums like I did before getting my DMax. The highlites for me were Ford owners getting fuel in the oil and Ford claiming up to 6% fuel dilution is within spec. Also, for almost any repair on the new Ford engine they need to remove the cab. Dodge 6.7L Cummins owners are having to get the soot cleaned out of their turbos every couple thousand miles.

All in all, GM has some annoyances but nothing that makes me regret buying the truck.

DanW hit the spot and I too would agree that the complaints are minor and the truck is best compared to the competetion. The quality is better in my opinion, just look at the fit and finish between the body panels, they are nice and tight compared to the last gen trucks from GM. No huge gaps anymore.

Good points boys... minor complaints from me. Although you know what I really hate about this thing... it looks and rides like a caddy, goes like a jet plane and tows like a freakin freight train! Really pisses me off some days ;)

Just feels like Im trading off or selling off my 05 GMC with similar problems listed here for another set of GMC problems and annoyance just to get the Duramax engine. Just was hoping for more improvements from my current truck to justify going another 5 years with new truck payments and getting more improvements over my gasser.

Just feels like Im trading off or selling off my 05 GMC with similar problems listed here for another set of GMC problems and annoyance just to get the Duramax engine. Just was hoping for more improvements from my current truck to justify going another 5 years with new truck payments and getting more improvements over my gasser.


Just remember these forums are where people are talking problems. And from what I hear are not "problems" but more of things they would like to see an improvement to. I have not had a real problem as of yet and hope I will not. Also a lot of guys here said after complaining that they would not trade it for another truck - what does that tell you? I don't believe you would be dissatisfied with the LMM. It is a great truck. my 2 cents...

Good points boys... minor complaints from me. Although you know what I really hate about this thing... it looks and rides like a caddy, goes like a jet plane and tows like a freakin freight train! Really pisses me off some days ;)

X2........ Makes you look forward to the next tow - This Sunday !! :D

Thanks Guys,
I appreciate it. I understand better now. Thank you for eductating me!
You guys ROCK!

This LMM truck sounds like a bucket of shit after reading these. WOW! I think I might have to really reconsider buying this LMM truck and pull my 05 off the market and just wait for a better GM truck. I cant believe all that I am reading. Simply Amazing. I hope the people at GM who build these trucks are taking good notes because this is not good at all.

As other have mentioned... Every truck will have something you don't like. I love my truck, but there will allways be a few things you don't like.

I hate tht this truck has made my wallet empty seee sig )

The freaking 850RPM Idle speed!:mad: I can pull my boat up the driveway idling! :mad:

When you put it in park with the brakes applied idling it leaps forward like a coiled snake when you let off the brakes!:mad::mad:

Otherwise I'm satisfied. Ditto on the market falling out and the 50 grand truck now being worth 18. :mad:

The freaking 850RPM Idle speed!:mad: I can pull my boat up the driveway idling! :mad:

When you put it in park with the brakes applied idling it leaps forward like a coiled snake when you let off the brakes!:mad::mad:

Otherwise I'm satisfied. Ditto on the market falling out and the 50 grand truck now being worth 18. :mad:

Idle should be 700 or lower... Might want to have that checked

The freaking 850RPM Idle speed!:mad: I can pull my boat up the driveway idling! :mad:

When you put it in park with the brakes applied idling it leaps forward like a coiled snake when you let off the brakes!:mad::mad:

Otherwise I'm satisfied. Ditto on the market falling out and the 50 grand truck now being worth 18. :mad:

850 Might be when its in regen.

850 Might be when its in regen.

correct as well as on start up in the morning. normal idle is 720 -750 rpm lbz llys are lower

I LOVE THIS TRUCK AND WON'T BUY ANYTHING ELSE HOW EVER THERE IS ONE BIG THING I REALLY HATE:


:eek:THE PAYMENTS:eek:

DPF duh!

The freaking 850RPM Idle speed!:mad: I can pull my boat up the driveway idling! :mad:

When you put it in park with the brakes applied idling it leaps forward like a coiled snake when you let off the brakes!:mad::mad:

Otherwise I'm satisfied. Ditto on the market falling out and the 50 grand truck now being worth 18. :mad:

There is a high idle - controled on the DIC - check you manual.

There is a high idle - controled on the DIC - check you manual.

The high idle only kicks in when its below i think 32 or so to warm up the engine. It doesnt kick in above 50

Yeah it's pretty fn awesome watching the fuel econ. go to sh!t every time it regens. Thanks epa. Who thought killing efficiency would be so good for the environment.

I know, I know. Just get rid of the dpf. I'm too concerned about the warranty and the seemingly common problems due to using many of the tuners out there.

I dont post much but read alot on here.............i just picked up a 08 2500HD Silverado LTZ black on black with dvd,nav, sunroof.......etc and coming from my 01 this truck is frickin AWESOME.......I just ordered bushwacker flares, liftkit and have 18'' black rockstars mounted on 35'' toyo mts.......nothing negative from me and for the guys whinning about mileage..........shoulda bought a smart car lol.......pics to come soon

Let me know what dpf is please. Thanks

diesel particulate filter

Let me know what dpf is please. Thanks

The DPF is a Diesel Particulate Filter. It's a heavy canister in the exhaust system designed to remove soot and other airborne particulates in the diesel exhaust. It more or less removes visible smoke from the exhaust.

Think of it this way:

Take a couple of new cigarettes and chop off the filters, and stick one in each nostril. Tape your mouth shut. New filters would allow reasonable breathing through them. Once they started to plug up from filtering all the airborne particulates out of the air we breathe, the ability to breathe is reduced.

In a diesel truck with one of these devices, it's ability to allow airflow through it reduces from it trapping soot and other particles from combustion till it's choking off the engines airflow. The engine computer has a special program that runs based on criteria from sensors on the DPF. That program is called regeneration. It really out to be called redistribution though, because that's what the owners of trucks with them are seeing happen to their income due to these awful devices. The computer adds fuel to the exhaust system to cook the DPF till it burns all the stuff inside into ash where it then blows it out of the tailpipe. The DPF is cleaned this way much like a kitchen oven when you lock the door and use the self clean feature.

Someone cleverly designed a stab and twist method in which the mileage is already reduced by having the devices on these trucks to begin with, then they twisted the knife by further reducing mileage as raw fuel is wasted in the exhaust in order to burn the thing clean - instead of being used to power the truck.

I wonder like others how it is the truck exhaust is cleaner than before.

Instead of soot, we have ash, and we use MORE fuel to get to this perceived promised land of clean diesel wonderland. It's as if Joseph Goebbels were telling everyone not to worry, you may die working in the factory, but at least you won't be going hungry, and someone else will be able to use your shoes. Insanity.

dpf which is gone... and the creaking of my extra cab when i articultate my suspension

DPF and all..... These animals still produce more power stock than any other diesel on the market from the big 3. The new low ash CJ-4 oil reduces the particulates to begin with. The non smelly exhaust and quieter engine is what got me to buy a diesel. I enjoy good MPG stone stock, no compalints here.

:pimp:

Love the truck. Rough idle that the dealer cannot figure out. No codes just a rough idle. Like having s blender in the cup holder.

Well, let me tell you. I love these trucks. ALot of power, nice looking and great mileage.Would not buy anything else. The one thing i HATE about my 08 is how damn thin the metal is on the truck. The slightest little tap, and it dents! my 98 can get a cinderblock thrown at it (not really, but you get the point) and it won't dent nearly as much as the 08! Anyone else got something they don't like?

Besides the thin metal,NO storage behind the rear seat,and I bought the 3500 because GM had a rear helper spring on the SRW 1 tons. At least up until the new body style came out. Ford is a mans truck with man`s needs, but has a very questionable non dependable diesel engine.
I love the look of my truck and the D-max & Allison trans vs Powerstroke,but I do miss the rear storge and the rear suspension.

I love the truck execpt...
I Would like to castrate the mental midget moron who made the read out so small. A person should not have to put on reading glasses to see the thing.

I love my truck but I really miss the A/C vents in the back of the console. My '02 had them and really helped to cool the rear seat area.

I love my truck but I really miss the A/C vents in the back of the console. My '02 had them and really helped to cool the rear seat area.

DITTO!!!!

overall its one hell of a truck, but i do also despise the dpf and ecm memory, i want and will do the upgrdes to mine and bite the bullet, but hate the fact of voiding a 5yr 100k warranty that ive never had on a truck before.

Driver side grab handle.
Seems simple, but I have become used to stepping into the cab with the handle on my F250...really miss the handle. I have tried to grab the wheel, but with remote start and the engine running, wheel turns easily and is not very helpful.

Crew Cab Rear Seating Space
GM Crew cab is equivalent to a large extended cab. The Dodge MegaCab...now that is a cab. Ford isn't bad either.

Rear Seating AC vents
Of course, with no more room in the back than there is, I suppose this isn't missed too much. I know there is a "floor" vent, but would have been nice to have had a top panel vent when the floor level was off.

Itty Bitty Factory Wheels and Tires
GM could help the looks of their "stock" vehicles if they would only put some meat under the truck. A set of aftermarket wheels and tires, and the truck is NICE...factory wheels and tires=blah. Dodge and Ford both have this right (my .02).

Gear Indicator
Would be nice to know what gear the tranny is in. Perhaps there is a way and I am just overlooking?

DPF and ECM Monitor
I am sure that this will get better in future models, but the DPF seems like it is a real pain (haven't had to deal with it yet), and the ECM tattle tale makes deleting the DPF seriously questionable...I do not want to get involved in warranty disputes with the mfg like other folks here have had.



But the love list is so much longer! Best powertrain in the market. More techy gadgets than a person should have. Onstar...that dude ougtta get a medal for all the features this service brings. I love the ride and the looks (except wheels and tires), and the power is excellent. Over all, I am tremendously happy with the vehicle and expect years of trouble free service.

sssr

I wonder what the response would be if this question was asked about a Ford or Dodge?

All my ideas for improvements has already been addressed.

These are great trucks and much better than any other you could get.:D

Too many people drive em keeping the cost of diesel fuel up :D

Almost forgot my biggest gripe...the ridiculous air recirculation button that will not recirculate if it "thinks" recirculation is a bad idea. I hate that!!!! I want to recirculate when its in the floor...wont let you do it. I want to recirculate when defrosting...wont let you do it. I do not want to be forced to allow fresh air in if I dont want to. On most Asian cars, modes not recommended for recirculate will automatically switch to fresh air, but it will allow you to override by pressing the recirc button...not GM though. Oh well, gotta remember to not upset the AC during pollen season.

sssr

I hate the fact that I can't straight pipe mine without getting a tuner...and the dpf sucks too...other than that I love it :D

IFS is my only complaint

I'll start off by saying that I really like my truck and I dont regret buying it. Does a great job hauling about anything I want to hook to it. Constantly gets around 15.5 mpg, which is a big improvement from my previous truck which got 11.5.

Im not a big fan of the transmission and the way it works. Sure its a beefy transmission thats great for hauling, But i guess more than anything I just dont like the way it behaves. Its a bit unpredictable at times. HATE the defueling. I hate the way it has to "learn" and adapt to your driving style. I drive around fairly easy most of the time, but sometimes when I kick out to pass someone or Im feelin froggy and decide to let it eat, it hangs in gear and doesnt click off the shifts like most any other transmission would. Its too smart. My PPE tuner has made my trans. feel alot better. Less defueling and more crisp shifts.

Also not a big fan of the tie rods. Theyre about as big as my pinky finger.

Well I hate the dpf of course. Another thing I don't really like is the turbo lag. When I need to jump on it I want it to go, not bog down and wait to spool. I almost got in an accident onece getting on the freeway. I stepped on the gas and it didn't respond so I almost got rear ended.

Rtduramax

Well I hate the dpf of course. Another thing I don't really like is the turbo lag. When I need to jump on it I want it to go, not bog down and wait to spool. I almost got in an accident onece getting on the freeway. I stepped on the gas and it didn't respond so I almost got rear ended.

Rtduramax
get twins :D

Well I hate the dpf of course. Another thing I don't really like is the turbo lag. When I need to jump on it I want it to go, not bog down and wait to spool. I almost got in an accident onece getting on the freeway. I stepped on the gas and it didn't respond so I almost got rear ended.

Rtduramax

If youre going to be passing someone, or merging onto the highway, you might try engaging the tow/haul mode and manually shifting into a lower gear. It will really decrease the spool up time if you have the rpms up a little.

I noticed a big decrease in turbo lag after I deleted the DPF. DPF delete with a PPE really wakes it up!

1. DPF
2. Seat belts lock up for no apparent reason at all, to the point i don't even where it anymore.
3. The noise it makes when you turn the wheel hard?
4. $60,000 truck with 16,000 km and the brakes squeak?
5. MPG
6. Door handles pop out sort of and then click back in?
7. DPF

Other then that it's the best truck I have had!

1. DPF
2. Seat belts lock up for no apparent reason at all, to the point i don't even where it anymore.
3. The noise it makes when you turn the wheel hard?
4. $60,000 truck with 16,000 km and the brakes squeak?
5. MPG
6. Door handles pop out sort of and then click back in?
7. DPF

Other then that it's the best truck I have had!

I agree with all but the door handles...no problems with them yet!! Only 10,000 km and my brakes and windows are squeaking???

Yeah, I'm only slightly surprised by the door handles. Mine kinda feel like there's play in them too, but my '02 door handles had some play in them too, just didn't seem as loose.

Oh, and I forgot to mention sometimes I get in the truck and try to put the driver's side window down and it doesn't work for like 10 seconds and the eventually it will go down. Anybody else have this problem?

Oh, and I forgot to mention sometimes I get in the truck and try to put the driver's side window down and it doesn't work for like 10 seconds and the eventually it will go down. Anybody else have this problem?
Is it only when you use the remote start?

Nope, I don't have remote start it only happens about once or twice a week but like I described it just won't do anything for the first ten seconds or so then it will work normally.

I will look into it.

This is a normal characteristic and no repairs should be made.
This is what the tsb says. I will write an RO on my truck tomorrow and see what gm has to say about it as my truck does it with the remote start. The tsb says that people are hitting the button before the engine is running and causing the problem. I don't buy it and will see what they say as I don't do that. Can't say that I will get them to fix it but atleast they will know I am not happy with it and see if I can get a reprogram for the drivers door module. We will have to see.

Alright, thanks a lot.

I hate the tiny tie rods they have no problem with bending. I pulled a sled with my 3500 DRW they bent at about 50foot but still pulled to 245

Nope, I don't have remote start it only happens about once or twice a week but like I described it just won't do anything for the first ten seconds or so then it will work normally.

Happened to me a few times right after I bought the truck, Havent had that issue in a while.

Here's my complaints:
-26 gallon tank should be bigger
-musket exhaust tip
-dpf
-smaller back seat than the ford
-all plastic dash and doorpanels that rattle
-back seats dont flip both ways
-no grab handle on the driver side to hop in.
-rubber floormats

I hate the tiny tie rods they have no problem with bending. I pulled a sled with my 3500 DRW they bent at about 50foot but still pulled to 245

get some tie rode sleeves cheap insurance agreed they should be better thoe

Oh, and I forgot to mention sometimes I get in the truck and try to put the driver's side window down and it doesn't work for like 10 seconds and the eventually it will go down. Anybody else have this problem?

Mine does the same thing sometimes. But its only the driver window. All the others work. I think it happens whenever I turn the truck off, then turn the key back on right after I turn it off. Ive done that a few times if I shut the truck off and open the door, then realize I forgot to roll the windows up. I'll see if I can replicate it next time im in my truck.

Alright, thanks a lot.
I hate to say it but they said what I thought, there is no fix at this time so we are out of luck.
Sorry

Happened to me a few times right after I bought the truck, Havent had that issue in a while.

Here's my complaints:
-26 gallon tank should be bigger
-musket exhaust tip
-dpf
-smaller back seat than the ford
-all plastic dash and doorpanels that rattle
-back seats dont flip both ways
-no grab handle on the driver side to hop in.
-rubber floormats

Yah, I forgot about that exhaust tip, they should have made it the way MBRP makes it for the DPF back exhaust.

1. DPF
2. Seat belts lock up for no apparent reason at all, to the point i don't even where it anymore.
3. The noise it makes when you turn the wheel hard?
4. $60,000 truck with 16,000 km and the brakes squeak?
5. MPG
6. Door handles pop out sort of and then click back in?
7. DPF

Other then that it's the best truck I have had!

I had the same issue. I took the truck to the dealer and they replaced the handle.

It has to be the cloth on the seats. They collect so much lint and other crap and no matter how much I vacuum, I can never get it all.

the exhaust tip is the only thing but iv only had the truck 3 days.

It has to be the cloth on the seats. They collect so much lint and other crap and no matter how much I vacuum, I can never get it all.
x2! DPF and the squeaky brakes.

I hate (and maybe love since it was easy to fix) the cheap, thin metal they used to make the truck bodies. I backed into a light pole the other night at about .0001 mph. It bent the rear bumper into the fender under the taillight and pushed it under the tailgate so the tailgate wouldn't open. The good part is it's so thin I was able to bend everything back by hand and you can't even notice I hit anything except for a small scratch between the bumper and the fender where they hit.

The other thing I don't like, but is specific to my truck, is I somehow got an SLT trim pick-up without the back-up sensor alarm. I bought it over the phone from a salesman that told me "it has every option except a sunroof and navigation" yet it doesn't have the convenience package that me brother's SLE does and my business partner's SLT.

when i pull up the salesmen ask if its a diesel...
dumbasses..

Aside from the total rip-off of Canadian prices I didn't appreciate that the Integrated Brake Controller won't work with trailer electric/hydraulic disk brakes. If my after market P3 can do it why not the OE? Had to rewire to bypass the ICB and now get DIC error message every time I start up.

Bed and bed-rail height are not conducive to level towing of 5th wheel trailer with proper clearances.

the monthly payments!!!!!!

I have to agree. That is the only thing that I don't like about my truck.

Whats with the big box in the console next to the dash, is there supposed to be some kind of insert or cup holders in that area?:eek:

Here's something that bugs me. I have a crewcab, without the sunroof. Yet, the overhead is contoured for the sunroof, what for?? I would rather have the additional headroom/space. If they're going have that the overhead hang down even without a sunroof, why don't they at least have a place for sunglasses, or other storage space up there?

I can speak for all years when I say, filling her up!

I liked the seats in my 03 LT better than the ones in my 08 LTZ.

They stripped a lot of good stuff out of the DIC between 03 and 08.

All right, I'll get in on this. What happened to the underhood light, the footwell lights, and the door puddle lights? This truck cost almost $20K more than my '02 (6.0L gasser) but is missing all those lights and the flip down arm rests. And oh yeah, what happened to the overhead console. I have the LTZ, you would think it would have everything on it, but, compared to me '02 LT, it's missing the overhead sunglass and CD storage. Better stop before I think of more little things that annoy me. Love the power and the looks of the truck though (with the exception of the plastic front bumper corners).

Rear tires wear out quicker

Actually, if you rotate your tires, they'll last almost as long as the front ones ... but not as long as the spare.

:Get_him:

Whats with the big box in the console next to the dash, is there supposed to be some kind of insert or cup holders in that area?:eek:


Do you not have the cupholder insert?? :confused:

1. Tin can body

2. Crapy gas mileage (11mpg with programmer) driving as easy as I can

3. Low frame

4. Now clearance for sighty bigger tires

5. No power mirrors (unlike Ford)

6. Liked my 03 interior design better

I am so angry at myself for not getting a used truck to avoid this lame DPF:mad:. I have had this truck for 6 months now and has been a big mistake buying this truck. I know I can drop the DPF but then I have more issues with voiding the warranty.

Why can't they make trucks as a pick and choose components. Cummins motor, Allison tranny, solid front axle, and power wagon options!!!


you hit the nail right on the head with that one good point

Amero®

Do you not have the cupholder insert?? :confused:
Yea have one now thank's, went back and got one from another truck, so I guess the guy that buys that one will get one from another truck and so on ad infinitum

It's small but not having any lights in the floorboard area I have the black interior and at night if I drop something there's no turning the interior light on and finding it! And the way the trans shifts it seems to shift too early a lot and when I get on it I'd like for it to stay in gear a little longer it shoots thru a couple of gears without building any rpm at all really weird feeling wish it wasn't so "smart" I guess. I tried putting it in tow haul and it helped some but still not where I would like to be

-Rear doors hit aftermarket body. Dealer has been telling me for over a year GM is developing a fix for this problem.
-Plastic front bumpers. I feel bad for the guys that plow. God forbid I actually need to use my front hooks for anything. That plastic will hold up real well if a chain were to rub up against it. But then again if they were ripped off the front bumper might look better.
-I wish I could plow but thanks to my Toyaota Tacoma like front suspension I can't put a plow on my so called Heavy Duty 3500. I will say it is a nice ride though.
-Highly overated rear suspension does not actually hold it's rated GVWR of the truck. I've had my driveshaft shimmed (under warranty) because my truck sags to much (rear axle was rebuilt too) even though I'm 2,000lbs under the rated GVWR. Yes, it's been on a scale many times.
-Aluminum foil like body panels will not last as long as older models. One of the reasons I chose Chevy over a Dodge was because the hood on my Dodge (that I use to have) had about 50 little dings in it from acorns falling off a tree and landing on the hood. My previous Chevy never had this problem. I feel bad for you guys with pick up beds. The top of your bed rails must crush under the weight of any lumber racks or ladder racks. The previous generations bed rails were bad enough these must be even worse.
-Need a seperate switch for the rear cargo light.
-Glow plugs don't work with remote start. Duh!
-I love my $50,000 plastic chrome hubcaps. Once again I feel bad for anyone that plows. Plastic against frozen snow/ice. I wonder what will happen?
- On extended cab models the roof buckles way to easily. When I go through the car wash you can hear the dryer buckling the roof as it bends. Not exactly a heavy duty feature. Makes me wonder what would happen if the truck was ever in an accident and rolled over.

On a good note I do like the new interiors. The Duramax and Allison are great.

why is this?
Every truck that I looked at had a 16 inch spare that was different from what was on the ground.
Can I buy a factory match wheel and tire and put it up on the spare tire carrier with out a problem ?:mad:

I have the factory 17 inch rims and tires on my truck. Its like having a douhnut spare I guess.

the use of plastic everywhere and the expensive ass maintanence

why is this?
Every truck that I looked at had a 16 inch spare that was different from what was on the ground.
Can I buy a factory match wheel and tire and put it up on the spare tire carrier with out a problem ?:mad:

I have the factory 17 inch rims and tires on my truck. Its like having a douhnut spare I guess.

If memory serves, the 17" wheels package has 265/70R17 running tires and a 265/75R16 spare. Both have a 31.7" diameter which is how they get away with it. I do agree though that it's silly to have a different size rim for the spare.

But then again, why only a 6.5" rim for the stock 16" wheels? But that's another "thing I hate" post. :)

The megaphone on my exhaust.

the monthly payments!!!!!!

I SECOND THAT!! I love my truck have no complaints at all!! Just think if you had a Ford or Dodge you would have more complaints!! I know Ford you would complain a lot more!!!

Dash Rattle, and the fact that the rear bench folds upward and you can't fit $H!T in the back for cargo, my 05 with the seats folding forward gave a lot more floorspace and you had the entire door opening to get a big box or something in!!

Absolutely nothing. And it's paid for so I really enjoy no payments.

Love the looks of the inside but honstly my 06 duramax was way more comfortable to me, plus it did not make so many noises, that really pisses me off about this truck. Oh and how could I forget about the dpf, even though it's gonna still kinda worried when I take it to the Gmc place.

I hate all the freaking rattles inside the cab, and the lint collecting seats. Other then that I like the old girl.

Oh yea that dame dpf sucks 2.

I hate the big bumper and tht the 4x4 dont really look like 4x4 anymore they sit to low to the ground and chevy needs to go back to a solid front axle.:D

Squeaks and rattles in any vehicle just dont cut it for me,leaves a low quality build in my mind.Beauty is the eye of the beholder as they say but I think the NBS LOOKS FUNKY.Having said that really glad I opted to get my 07 classic.

Looking at them...

Rattles and passenger side road noise

I love my truck, however, on the interior I which that the bucket seats came with fold down arm rests for a lot more comfort than whats presently offered....

Ditto! These seat suck compared to the ones in my LLY CCSB.. I drive some stupid routes and times. Last week was a one way shot to St loius from Boston, and without the arms I find myself slumping over the console and a large back ache!

Other than that I think this truck is ten times better than my LLY. Better on fuel, much more HP (mine must have sucked).

Factory Wheels and Tires.
Are the only thing I don't like about these trucks!!!

Bose stereo doesn't have any rear tweeters. Sounds like everything is coming from the front. Wish I had the elevated idle. DPF blows. ECM blows more. Ugly ass megaphone exhaust tip looks like something from a Ricola cough drop commercial. Will 86 both soon.

Other than that, I love my truck.

not being able to turn the cargo light on without the interior light coming on!

love my nbs, but i have some rattles 1 after pulling my door pannals to repalce stock mirrors with towing ones, and 2, rattles of the extra cab, i.e. seatbelts, seats, seals, etc..... (mote like squeaks) other than that i fricken love my truck!!!!

rattles

I don't really like the mirrors. I wish they had the flip out ones like dodge. maybe with more time I will get used to them.

I don't like the squeeks, lack of independent cargo light, cheap looking tow mirrors, factory wheels, small wheel wells, and how much of a pita it was to block the egr. haha

I gotta go with everyone else, when you say the thin metal, cheap plastic front bumper corners, and the dpf crap.... other than that no complaints just yet.:D

Haven't noticed any more denting than anyother vehicle I've owned. Surely not liking the BIG chrome bumper cheeks on the front. My biggest complaint is NO CUBBY HOLES in the cab to stuff little things. I have the LTZ interior and there is no place to stick things.

the monthly payments!!!!!!

What are "monthly payments"??? :D

I love my truck.

I've had my 07.5 for a year and a half and 26,000 miles. The only dent came on my tailgate when I backed into an air conditioner in a restaurant parking lot. Backup sensors picked up the wall but not the a/c. Not GM's fault...mine. And I don't understand the complaints about the bed. I've thrown heavy, steel stuff -- my Equalizer hitch for example -- and building materials into the back, climbed around back there and never put a dent in it.

I hate the instrument panel. I wish it were back lit. The only way to see the instruments during the day -- particularly the speedometer -- is to turn on the lights manually.

I find the seating very comfortable and the console a good arm rest. I've driven 750 miles in a day and not felt wiped out, stiff, or sore. I wish there were a foot rest for my left foot like my wife's Nissan Murano has.

I keep hearing bitching and moaning about the DPF and regen. But I just got back from another long trip -- Denver/SE Missouri/Western Montana/Denver -- towing a trailer and once again I was never aware of a regen happening and I kept the fuel economy indicator on all the time. I just don't even think about it...not an issue. My mileage was reasonably good -- about 12-13 mpg towing.

I will say that my stock Bridgestone tires are wearing out faster than I expected. But that's okay because this will give me an opportunity to put on some really good tires.

I do agree with everyone about the size of the fuel tank. 25 gallons is small. I wish it were larger but I can change that when it really becomes an annoyance. On a long trip so I have to stop for fuel twice a day and sometimes three times when I have a damned headwind.

I did have a rattle in the dash but now it's gone away. When I'm on rough roads, the truck rattles and creaks but, hey, it's a 3/4T heavy duty truck, sprung tight, and I expect it to be stiff and noisy. If I wanted a smooth, silent ride I would have bought a Mercedes or BMW sedan.

Great truck. Love the Allison transmission for towing.

Definately the cheap thin metal!!

I also wish at times that the Duramax was still available with a 6-speed manual..:(

I hate the fact that gm can tell if there has been a chip put in.:(

Would like to have the diesel in an H2

Besides what you`all mentioned GM in 07 failed on sealing the cab from outside exhaust sucking inside the cab even when I select the a/c or heater on recycle instead of letting fresh air in.

yup, thin sheet metal got cought in a hail storm about a month ago and I have about 30 little dings in my hood and drivers side front fender. It hurts to look at it.:(-:t

All 4 of my door locks have went out, and the motor on power seat on the pass side, also the squeaky brakes on the rear. But still better than any other truck I have had.

Well I have an 06 and the metal is paper thin. It cannot be worse on your trucks. If anything just as bad. Whe I first bought it i walked on the bed to tie down my quad and it was all wavy! Sprayed some linex and problem solves. I do have dings all up and down the bed. Is there a fix?

Things to not like.............The Dealer

Fuel Mileage

okay, at first i didn't have anything i disliked about my pickup. It was everything i expected it to be and more. However, at one point while i was changing the fuel filter, i felt like setting it on fire:mad:. I've changed the fuel filter from the top on my dads lb7 and its a little hard to get to but it can be done. There is just no room on these LMMs. I ended up taking the inner fender part way out which isnt that fun because i have mud flaps mounted on the outside of them and there was also some dried mud stuck all around the inner fender. I got it but having it mounted way in there is just a little retarded. Its a maintanence item thats supposed to be done regularly, you'd think they'd make a whole lot easier to get to.

i dont like the woodgrain, also i noticed they have a different dash on the low end models, its more square with dual glove boxes, i like it better just cant get it on an ltz. But its still better than a ford or dodge

:mad:I have had chevy trucks ranging 53 to 08. Ive notised the beds went from very narrow to just about perfect on the 67 to 87 models. When the 88 came out my rubber bed mat wouldnt fit in the bed of the new truck the beds started getting narrow again. I used the slots that are in the beds to put 2X6s across them to keep things from sliding front to back. I had to cut an inch off the board to fit the 05 when i traded it in i had to cut a half inch off again. We are losing bed space gain.

:mad:I just know the first time it gets cold and i try to open the tailgate that cheep crapy plastic handel is going to brake off in my hand. It fills like its going to anyway every time i open it.

On the plus side iv been complaning about the poor milage plus the 21g, fuel tank my 05 had 26g. I take the same 100 mile round trip every saterday my 05 would get 17 mpg at 70 mph when i got the 08 it would only get 15 mpg at 70 mph but today it got 20.2 mpg at 70 mph go figure.

bump =) looking to buy an 09 next year - need more things to look for when I test drive one

A double whammy for me. No ground clearance but for some reason the bed is so high that it is hard to shovel stuff out of. I know that I am in a minority here as I use the truck for work. For work my 85 k30 is a far superior truck unless I need to tow. Of course the nv4500 cummins package that is going in the k30 will change all of that.
I am glad that my wife likes the lmm as it will probably become her truck.

For work my 85 k30 is a far superior truck unless I need to tow.

The CUCV was designed to meet the needs of the man that cheats death on a daily basis. They didn't even consider superfluous nancy boy amenities like navigation systems (real men don't get lost), heated leather seats (a real man doesn't let anything warm his butt), or On Star (real men don't even know what the hell On Star is). Your CUCV will outlive you and the offspring that will carry your name. It will live on as a monument to your machismo.

The CUCV was designed to meet the needs of the man that cheats death on a daily basis. They didn't even consider superfluous nancy boy amenities like navigation systems (real men don't get lost), heated leather seats (a real man doesn't let anything warm his butt), or On Star (real men don't even know what the hell On Star is). Your CUCV will outlive you and the offspring that will carry your name. It will live on as a monument to your machismo.


OK man you got me,
LMM is the nicest truck I have ever sat in much less owned.
But even the silverado work truck package has too many extras for me.

CUCV
I only cheat death by driving on socal roads everyday
Yes, I have gotten lost in the cucv but I mean how lost can you get I still knew what state I was in (I think)
the heated seats make me go t t
On star? I unplugged the plug on the rear view mirror and I no longer get the weird phone call (when I trade it in the new owner will have a year free)
Even I will be able to wear cucv out and the best hope for it will eventually be a redneck trailer made from a pickup bed and rear end
I did add A/C to the cucv and a 5 speed and a 200hp 4b cummins build is in process

Random thoughts
All manufacturors have problems with the pollution controls, gm has the least
Ford makes the best truck with the worst engine and the best 4wd
Dodge makes the best engine and the worst truck and a less than good 4wd
GM makes the best compromise with the exception being 4wd (which is just a mess)
my solution;
Ford truck, powered by Cummins, engineered by GM

my 2 cents
jim in socal

I did add A/C to the cucv and a 5 speed and a 200hp 4b cummins build is in process

That's what I'm talkin' about. That's going to be one SWEET CUCV! What size tires are you running on it?

So far the only thing i wish they had is a little more room in the cab for long trips with 6 people. Also would be nice to see 20 inch wheels from factory. We have ran ours in -39 to 100 weather and has ran awesome..We have 20,000 and no probs so far.
Some have had fuel filter issues and now gm has a new filter out.

OK man you got me,
LMM is the nicest truck I have ever sat in much less owned.
But even the silverado work truck package has too many extras for me.

CUCV
I only cheat death by driving on socal roads everyday
Yes, I have gotten lost in the cucv but I mean how lost can you get I still knew what state I was in (I think)
the heated seats make me go t t
On star? I unplugged the plug on the rear view mirror and I no longer get the weird phone call (when I trade it in the new owner will have a year free)
Even I will be able to wear cucv out and the best hope for it will eventually be a redneck trailer made from a pickup bed and rear end
I did add A/C to the cucv and a 5 speed and a 200hp 4b cummins build is in process

Random thoughts
All manufacturors have problems with the pollution controls, gm has the least
Ford makes the best truck with the worst engine and the best 4wd
Dodge makes the best engine and the worst truck and a less than good 4wd
GM makes the best compromise with the exception being 4wd (which is just a mess)
my solution;
Ford truck, powered by Cummins, engineered by GM

my 2 cents
jim in socal


Thats what we need right there!

I dislike the DPF and Cat, both easily fixable. That said really there isn't much to complain about. GM had no choice and neither do we about the DPF and Cat and etc etc emission junk. Its mandated on them and up to us to remove it :-) and they cant think of everything like making the glove box big enough for a pistol, or that the openings are too small for oversized tires. I love the mods but cant really complain about having to change things to make it work. The General built them to be the way they are, and its out option to change it if we please, not their job to build the truck to the 5 million different ways we want them. Overall its a nice truck and we all can nit pick them to death, and thats true on any vehicle. lol

-DPF
-.0001 lumens that the 4x4 knob puts out
-Snitch ECM
-lint magent seats
-lack of storage in rear seat area (no room for subs have to use valuable
under seat storage)
-thin metal along bed rails (fix in the works for this)
-DPF
-clamshell front diff
-no manual trans option
-Snitch ECm
-low front end clearance
-low frame
-26gl fuel tank
-DPF

There are other things I cant think of now but over all I love this beast:D
love the racing strips it paints on the pavement:D:D.
These are minor things I don't usually think about until now. Compared to the other diesel competition out there GM is the way to go.
Ford platform+Dodge Engine(Cummings)+GM trans(Allison)=ULTIMATE TRUCK:D

Tank size is too small, that's it for me. Soon fixed with aftermarket tank. Truck is a huge upgrade from my 02. Power, quiet and trim level...way ahead.

Firstly, I love this truck. Just came back from a 1k round trip with a 28' 8,000lb travel trailer and got 13.3mpg in up to 110 degree desert heat with inclines. Getting 14.5mpg city. Haven't recorded empty highway mileage in my 2,500miles thus far. Handles the trails well for its size too, just need to remember it isn't a lifted SWB Wrangler.

My likes are too many to list but my minor dislikes are:
- cargo box light control is dumb
- should be 4WD dash light
- tank should be at least 30gals on std beds
- outer seat velour collects lint
- would like an extra cup holder up front as my bench is always up

However, wouldn't swap this truck for any other. Styling and performance are second to none.

I hate the terrible turbo lag, gonna get me killed in traffic!!!!

I hate the terrible turbo lag, gonna get me killed in traffic!!!!

It's not lag, the twin turbo 6.4 Powerstroke has it even worse. It's the EPA emissions eqpt, too much soot created is why they limit the throttle when stomping

It's not lag, the twin turbo 6.4 Powerstroke has it even worse. It's the EPA emissions eqpt, too much soot created is why they limit the throttle when stomping
Is there a fix for this????

Is there a fix for this????
yes, a tuner would fix that

yes, a tuner would fix that
I'v got an edge juice/attitude, ain't fixed anything except go fast. The lag is still just as bad!!!

small fuel tank (short bed) and bad power steering when stopped are my ONLY complaints with the GM HD's...

Lbz Rules!!!!

It's not lag, the twin turbo 6.4 Powerstroke has it even worse. It's the EPA emissions eqpt, too much soot created is why they limit the throttle when stomping

Never driven the new duramax engine. But i do own a 2008 6.4 and i can barley tell the turbo lag, If my company wasnt making half the payment i would of never purchased it. I dont know how the new duramax DPG cleaning is , But my 6.4 will regen about every 150 miles while on a long trip from jacksonville fl to augusta ga. And it only lets one turbo work while cleaning, which really stinks when you have a 30' gooseneck with equipment.

Washing the truck and filling the tank...

Circus mirrors on the front bumper:mad:

The fact that the circus front bumper is plastic.

Never driven the new duramax engine. But i do own a 2008 6.4 and i can barley tell the turbo lag, If my company wasnt making half the payment i would of never purchased it. I dont know how the new duramax DPG cleaning is , But my 6.4 will regen about every 150 miles while on a long trip from jacksonville fl to augusta ga. And it only lets one turbo work while cleaning, which really stinks when you have a 30' gooseneck with equipment.

Good input. The ford is a good truck but they've had a lot of DPF issues with their 6.4. Shame. However, the once best in class Cummins is even worse. One of the main reasons I went Duramax is how non-problematic the engine is in this new EPA-controlled age.

Good input. The ford is a good truck but they've had a lot of DPF issues with their 6.4. Shame. However, the once best in class Cummins is even worse. One of the main reasons I went Duramax is how non-problematic the engine is in this new EPA-controlled age.

can you really tell when the d-max goes in to reg-stage? I just had to send my 6.4 in about 4 months ago to get the ecu reprogrammed because they where having regeneration problems. When i got it back it cleans 2x as much but the power loss is less noticeable.

can you really tell when the d-max goes in to reg-stage? I just had to send my 6.4 in about 4 months ago to get the ecu reprogrammed because they where having regeneration problems. When i got it back it cleans 2x as much but the power loss is less noticeable.

I honestly can't aside from the occasional smell when shutting her down. I'm no brand fanboy and really thought I'd be able to tell but I can't. Just come back from a 1000mile trip pulling an 8k travel trailer at 65-70mph with numerous inclines in 110 degree heat and it didn't miss a beat.

I'm glad the ECU fix helped the loss become less noticeable but that's crazy it cleans very 150miles.

Last September I was very close to buying a loaded 08 job 3 F250 FX4. A very sharp truck. I was just too bothered by what the ford forums say about the 6.4 to jump on what was a great deal. I just think every 6.4 is different to the next, the one I test drove seemed down on power. However, some owners are very happy with them which is encouraging. I just thought the LMM was a safer bet and I couldn't be happier with my choice

good luck and hope you've got a good SD. They have amazing frames and and I like the NBS styling

I honestly can't aside from the occasional smell when shutting her down. I'm no brand fanboy and really thought I'd be able to tell but I can't. Just come back from a 1000mile trip pulling an 8k travel trailer at 65-70mph with numerous inclines in 110 degree heat and it didn't miss a beat.

I'm glad the ECU fix helped the loss become less noticeable but that's crazy it cleans very 150miles.

Last September I was very close to buying a loaded 08 job 3 F250 FX4. A very sharp truck. I was just too bothered by what the ford forums say about the 6.4 to jump on what was a great deal. I just think every 6.4 is different to the next, the one I test drove seemed down on power. However, some owners are very happy with them which is encouraging. I just thought the LMM was a safer bet and I couldn't be happier with my choice

good luck and hope you've got a good SD. They have amazing frames and and I like the NBS styling

When i first bought my 6.4 i thought i was king of the hill. And since i bought my LBZ and only payed 18K and it has 3x the features and power of my powerstroke. I cant wait to park my SD and drive the piss outta my LBZ, I hate leaving her on the weekends to go out of town and work. But it give me something to look foward to when i come home.

I HATE the lint problem with the seats. I wish I would have spent the extra money and just bought one with leather but this was the only one they had in brown with a CC/SB

I HATE the lint problem with the seats. I wish I would have spent the extra money and just bought one with leather but this was the only one they had in brown with a CC/SB

I had that issue with the 07.5 I bought. The swapped that truck to leather for $1,000. The leather looked really good too. Talk to your dealer.

Did you get black leather by chance? Thats really the only color I'd like to have

I just read a report in Consumer Reports magazine where they rated the new vehicles. They have one test for all vehicles and rate them 0 to 100. In the diesel catagory GMC/Chevy came in at 58. Dodge at 37 and Ford at 36. So it looks like our GM trucks are way better than the competition. I love my truck and wouldn't have anything else. However there are the few things as others have pointed out that I don't like either, but seriously would you want a dodge or ford? Not me!

Only thing i have been disliking is the soft metal that makes the body. my truck has a few pings and dings and it sucks bc i keep it clean. other than that I LOVE IT!!

Paintless dent repair is your friend

Sheet metal. I am afraid to step on my tailgate because it seems to want to bend.

No boost guage. How hard would it be for the factory to install a freaking boost guage?

DPF - emission standards suck. Doing my part. Drive a diesel, farm on the side (you know all the methane those darn cows put out), and work at a coal fired power plant LOL.

I'v got an edge juice/attitude, ain't fixed anything except go fast. The lag is still just as bad!!!
play with the low boost fueling on the edge the 1-5 #

My 08 is my 1st diesel and I love it. I've got 11k miles on it thus far. The only thing I wish GM would have changed is more options for rims/tires. I like the wheel options that the F250's have. I have the 17's with the 265's and they don't look bad but it would be nice to have more options. I'm also not a fan of the bazooka exhaust - I understand the concept but the thing is just ugly - wil be replacing it with a Banks Monster very soon.

The squeeks on the interior. The dash has about 3 in different places, the drivers door has one somewhere inside that I can't find and the windows squeek when they are down an inch or so. Oh yeah, the drivers shoulder mounted seat belt holder squeeks right friggen in my ear. And I agree with the guy that said the fan sounds like a jet engine when it comes on. That scared the sh*t out of me the first time as well. Thank goodness that up here in Alaska it's cool enough that the fan rarely comes on. All trucks have their quirks and all in all I do love my truck.

play with the low boost fueling on the edge the 1-5 #

Is there a way to do this with PPE race. I'd LOVE to get rid of the lag!

I wish the roof had a little more structural integrity.


On the third pic, that's the top of the door on the steering wheel.

Oh yeah, I'm looking for another truck.

I wish the roof had a little more structural integrity.


On the third pic, that's the top of the door on the steering wheel.

Oh yeah, I'm looking for another truck.


Try that in a Prius....... I would say the truck saved your life. How did you manage that? :eek:

Try that in a Prius....... I would say the truck saved your life. How did you manage that? :eek:

I refuse to drive an econo car for this main reason.


It was raining on my way to work, I felt the rear end getting loose so I took my foot off the gas. As soon as I did that the rear end spun around. I went from the left lane on a 4-lane freeway to the guardrail on the right side of the road. I saw the guardrail coming up on my left side and I thought to myself that this isn't going to be good. The next thing I know, I'm sliding on my roof down the freeway, I'm seeing sparks flying from the roof and the hood grinding on the asphalt. After a couple of hundred feet I stopped.

Oh yeah, if you roll over your truck Onstar dosen't do sh!t for you, (the antenna's on the roof). The Man upstairs was looking out for me that day - the impact pushed me over the console, (yes, I was wearing my seatbelt), so when the roof collapsed I was pushed over by the impact, keeping me from sustaining any life threatening injuries.

After I stopped, I was hanging upside down and couldn't reach the buckle to release the seatbet. I heard a beeping sound, it was Onstar trying to call out, but without an antenna, the call was going nowhere. I had my cell phone charger plugged into the outlet in the console and was sitting in the cupholder before the crash. I looked over and saw the cell phone hanging upside down right in front of me. I had to call 911 for help. As I was calling, someone rear-ended me as I sat there for at least a minute.

As I was talking to the 911 operator a few people stopped to see if I was okay. An off-duty fireman mananged to get my passenger's door open, undo my seatbelt and let me out.

I was very lucky, I walked away with only a sore shoulder and a 1/4" cut from flying glass behind my ear.

The airbags never went off - it wasn't a frontal impact and 3/4 tons and bigger trucks don't have side impact bags. Why? Ask the bean counters.

I always thought Onstar was a good idea since we drive across 200 miles across the California desert to go boating along the Colorado river in Parker, Arizona. After this incident Onstar can kiss my a$$ for all the money I paid them for peace of mind and the one time I needed them they weren't there.

Yep onstar never works when flipped on its lid. Had the same thing happen to me a few years ago. But say your out in the middle of no where and you pass out and hit a tree. Then you will thank them.

Do you know where OnStars call center and C.S. is now, the "Philippines".
Very disappointing, to me anyway.

I wish the roof had a little more structural integrity.


On the third pic, that's the top of the door on the steering wheel.

Oh yeah, I'm looking for another truck.

Suddenly Stabilitrak doesn't seem such an annoyance:eek:

Glad you're okay. Any rear pics from the rear collision? I'm assuming an LML is on the way...

1. Thin sheet metal
2. Misc squeaks and rattles
3. Ugly front bumper

Other than that, I love it

i woulddnt say the torsion bars are a problem, but i wish they would of thought of something a little better. maybe coil overs instead of the bars...

I refuse to drive an econo car for this main reason.


It was raining on my way to work, I felt the rear end getting loose so I took my foot off the gas. As soon as I did that the rear end spun around. I went from the left lane on a 4-lane freeway to the guardrail on the right side of the road. I saw the guardrail coming up on my left side and I thought to myself that this isn't going to be good. The next thing I know, I'm sliding on my roof down the freeway, I'm seeing sparks flying from the roof and the hood grinding on the asphalt. After a couple of hundred feet I stopped.

Oh yeah, if you roll over your truck Onstar dosen't do sh!t for you, (the antenna's on the roof). The Man upstairs was looking out for me that day - the impact pushed me over the console, (yes, I was wearing my seatbelt), so when the roof collapsed I was pushed over by the impact, keeping me from sustaining any life threatening injuries.

After I stopped, I was hanging upside down and couldn't reach the buckle to release the seatbet. I heard a beeping sound, it was Onstar trying to call out, but without an antenna, the call was going nowhere. I had my cell phone charger plugged into the outlet in the console and was sitting in the cupholder before the crash. I looked over and saw the cell phone hanging upside down right in front of me. I had to call 911 for help. As I was calling, someone rear-ended me as I sat there for at least a minute.

As I was talking to the 911 operator a few people stopped to see if I was okay. An off-duty fireman mananged to get my passenger's door open, undo my seatbelt and let me out.

I was very lucky, I walked away with only a sore shoulder and a 1/4" cut from flying glass behind my ear.

The airbags never went off - it wasn't a frontal impact and 3/4 tons and bigger trucks don't have side impact bags. Why? Ask the bean counters.

I always thought Onstar was a good idea since we drive across 200 miles across the California desert to go boating along the Colorado river in Parker, Arizona. After this incident Onstar can kiss my a$$ for all the money I paid them for peace of mind and the one time I needed them they weren't there.


Sounds like hydroplaning was the cause. One reason I had my TPM's reset to 50 all the way around - control. I could see this happening with 60 in the front and 80 in the rear the way the gov wants us to run 24/7 empty or not.

Suddenly Stabilitrak doesn't seem such an annoyance:eek:

Glad you're okay. Any rear pics from the rear collision? I'm assuming an LML is on the way...


The truck was backed up to the wall at the tow yard so I couldn't get a decent angle.

Man, I got sticker shock when I went to look a new trucks. I paid a little over $39K out the door for my last truck. For a comparatively equipped truck I'm looking at over $48 large - I've been scanning the Auto Trader ads every day, but nothing near by. I want to see and drive a truck before I plunk down that amount of money. I'm not in the position where I want to wire someone money and hope the truck shows up as it was described in the ad.

The truck was backed up to the wall at the tow yard so I couldn't get a decent angle.

Man, I got sticker shock when I went to look a new trucks. I paid a little over $39K out the door for my last truck. For a comparatively equipped truck I'm looking at over $48 large - I've been scanning the Auto Trader ads every day, but nothing near by. I want to see and drive a truck before I plunk down that amount of money. I'm not in the position where I want to wire someone money and hope the truck shows up as it was described in the ad.


Fly into Dave Smith Motors, Kellogg Idaho - buy her UNDER dealer invoice. :)

http://www.usautosales.com/

Then drive her home - the 1,300 miles will break her in nice right in time for that first tow. :cool:

http://www.thedieselstop.com/contents/getitems.php3?Breaking%20in%20a%20Diesel%20Engine

shit paint

Did you get black leather by chance? Thats really the only color I'd like to have

I did. It looks/turned out great. I went ahead and got the factory leather in my current LMM and can't say I like one better than the other.

I wish the roof had a little more structural integrity.


On the third pic, that's the top of the door on the steering wheel.

Oh yeah, I'm looking for another truck.

wow, im really surprised it crushed that much...not good. The GMT-800's dont seem to crush nearly as much in rollovers. I bet thats attributed to the fact that the GMT-900's have such a steep windshield rake...so therefore when you rollover theres a LOT more force on the a-pillars...make sense?

how fast were you going when it first rolled? Was the truck in "mid-air" and then crash-landed on its side? Or just a "smooth" tumble?

ben

Suddenly Stabilitrak doesn't seem such an annoyance

EXACTLY!!!! IF I ever buy a new duramax many years down the road you can bet it will be an 09 or newer so it has stabilitrak. I dont know why everyone hates it, I wish my 05 dmax had it. Yes I can certainly drive (skip barber high perf driving school) and im used to driving on snow and ice covered roads 4 months of the year in up up upstate NY.....but I still would love to have stability control there watching out for those couple times when im not paying attention and have to make an abrupt swerve at high speed.....

ben

Sounds like hydroplaning was the cause. One reason I had my TPM's reset to 50 all the way around - control. I could see this happening with 60 in the front and 80 in the rear the way the gov wants us to run 24/7 empty or not.


That's why I lowered the air pressure in the rear tires to 60.....if you go lower (and it should be lower with no load), the tpms icon appears on the dash, and you'll get a message via OnStar diagnostics.

Other than above, no complaints so far...........correction, and unrelated to this topic, everytime the mouse runs over a highlighted word I get a pop up. what is up wit dat?

wow, im really surprised it crushed that much...not good. The GMT-800's dont seem to crush nearly as much in rollovers. I bet thats attributed to the fact that the GMT-900's have such a steep windshield rake...so therefore when you rollover theres a LOT more force on the a-pillars...make sense?

how fast were you going when it first rolled? Was the truck in "mid-air" and then crash-landed on its side? Or just a "smooth" tumble?

ben


I was going about 70 mph when I started to hydroplane. I guess that I must have bounced off the guardrail, got airborne, and landed on the edge where the doors and the roof meet. There was no rolling just alot of sliding down the wet freeway for a few hundred feet - I ended up in the lane I started in and facing the right way, but upside down.

I`m with JIMMY
I had the rear warning set the same as the fronts.
I had to practically twist the dealer arms to get them to do it.
My sells guy got the tech to do re-program but he noted on the work order my request could not be done. To keep GM happy.
On the rears now 42 psi or lower the low warning comes on (same as fronts will), and above 78 psi I`ll have a high warning.
Solo I run summer during months 56 front 45 rears and at 110+ degrees they go up to about 62 front 51 rears.
Winter 58-60 front 45 rears I would rather stay away from the low warning on the rears.
When towing my trailer, 70 rears and they always go above 78 with the summer heat and with hi pressure warning.
The heck with OnStar, I always get a spanking on the air pressure I keep on the rears on the monthly report.
The last rotate at 16k (I rotate @ 8K miles)the tread depth was even all the way across on the rears.
The discount tire manager was scolding me on the rear air pressure I run, but shut up after his measurement.

No auto-up on the power windows only auto-down.

The only thing I hate is the monthly payment.

About the only this I don't like with the 08' is how the rear seat folds up, with the 04' it worked out great for the dogs. With the new fold up way is F****ed UP..

And the payment too :p:.

J.

well since my dpf fell off a few blocks from the dealership the only thing i hate now is writing that check to pay this f***** off

Too lazy to look, but doing an oil change on this beast is a bit of a pig(mess). Hitting 2 grease fittings, oh ya and the ef'n dip stick tube location, wtf were they think n!!!

I hate the crackling noise from around the windshield when you get about 60 mph

Changing fuel filter should be easier.