I watch the market everyday & even though crude has gone way up. The individual price of diesel is now the same price the unleaded gas.(been that way for 4-6weeks) I know 2-3 months ago diesel was 15-20+¢ higher than unleaded. BUT NOW it's the same as UNLEADED. (still too high) So why the hell is diesel stiill higher than unleaded at the pump???? Shouldn't they be the same at the pump too??? Censored CROOKS....:mad:

I was thinking that last night filling the truck up...Then I looked at the "information" sticker on the pump...They have the taxes broken down (environment tax, road tax, and one other tax) The road tax here in wisconsin for gasoline is about 12 cents/gallon......Diesel....24 cents per gallon...Guess how much more per gallon diesel was over gasoline at this particular truck stop..............yep, 12 cents per gallon more :mad:

-:tWe pay @ $0.50 for taxes here.! -:t

Ben

Diesel fuel is priced according to the market prices of crude per barrel, when gasoline is priced more on demand. The recent high prices of crude the last year have put diesel higher than normal.

Hey Partsguy,

We should meet up sometime, I live in Wisconsin too. But Milwaukee here but maybe I will take a trip up there or something as soon as my lift is on. Also I hate this state!!!! Its 2.17 here whats it in EC?

well, i used to live in kenosha. now i live in nc and work in fl. go figure that one. i will get my wife to move some time in the future but not right now. i kind of like nc, but if i can't get work up there, then we will have to move where my work is.

The gasoline tax and diesel tax vary by state, but in most states diesel is taxed higher than gasoline.

However, at present, the market price for diesel is strongly affected by the price of number 2 heating oil and futures market speculators are driving heating oil prices crazy, I think more so than gasoline.

Here in Cincinnati it is up to $2.34.9 in most locations. It sucks funding the war(s).
Mark

Not to mention the gov't taxing the OTR drivers with the diesel tax as well as taxing the consumer with inflated prices in the stores.

Diesel here in the West is about .50 more then regular gas. I saw 2.78/gal for diesel here today.

The department of energy issues a petroleum report weekly (http://www.eia.doe.gov) that reports on prices nationwide as well as market forces that drive them. It's a pretty interesting read.

In recent months since I've been reading it, gasoline inventories have been much higher than normal while distillate inventories (diesel, kero, jet, home heating oil) have been lower than normal. Hopefully with the end of heating season will drive distillate inventories up (and diesel prices down).

$2.75 south of Seattle, WA.

Here in SC it was 1.96. However, I think the price of fuels are high due to the big oil companies. I see that crude oil is up, but shouldn't the oil companies have to pay more as well? If I remember, Exon/Mobil profits for 2004 were something like $4 billion which was an increase by 50-60% from the previous year. The other companies are also having record profits. Normally when your raw materials go up, you raise your prices to keep the same profit level or maybe a little increase, but damn. So to me, that sounds like price gouging! Just my 0.2.

$2.75 south of Seattle, WA.
North too. Up in Bellingham. Unfreakingreal.

HALF the refining and they gouge us.

Hopefully with the end of heating season will drive distillate inventories up (and diesel prices down).What ya bet.....the down on diesel prices won't happen...maybe some, but I bet they stay much higher in relation to gas than what we saw prior to two years ago.

The gasoline tax and diesel tax vary by state, but in most states diesel is taxed higher than gasoline.

However, at present, the market price for diesel is strongly affected by the price of number 2 heating oil and futures market speculators are driving heating oil prices crazy, I think more so than gasoline. Exactly:exactly:

What ya bet.....the down on diesel prices won't happen...maybe some, but I bet they stay much higher in relation to gas than what we saw prior to two years ago.
I hope not, but you could be right. In one of the weekly reports it mentioned strong demand for diesel in China as one of the influencing factors as well. The report is issued on Wednesday every week.

2.17 here in N. Central Fl. Was 1.92 a few weeks ago. Bet we get a big bang on or about the 4th of July.

Diesel fuel is directly tied to the home heating fuel market. When they de-regulated oil in the 70's, for you youngsters, prices went ape sh!t. Folks every where scrambled for ways to save money. The folks in the NE started buying diesel to keep from paying the higher cost of home heating fuel. That area is full of small operators that fill the need for home heating oil. So to protect the moms and pops of the oil world, they priced diesel at .01 higher than home heating oil.
It's been the same ever since.
Doug

Wow...and I thought that I had a gripe..

I filled up today in Lancaster, Pa for 2.23 a gallon.

mpdlt,

That was then. I think today the price of diesel is now tied to the price of milk! ):h

Wow...and I thought that I had a gripe..

I filled up today in Lancaster, Pa for 2.23 a gallon.
Well I filled up here in Lancaster Calif for $2.49 a gallon. Thought I had it bad untill I read they are paying $2.78 up in Washington State. I guess that will be our future. Thank heaven the motorhome is full. Guess I won't be going on vacation much this year. Boo Hoo!!!

There may be a light at the end of the tunnel. Flying J just bought a Shell refinery in Bakersfield and is in the process of obtaining permits to double production. Estimates are about a year until it comes back up to full production.

Diesel has gone up because everyone and his brother now owns a diesel truck that they love so much they feel the need to make it a daily driver.........

Cheap fuel encourages inefficiencies, so from an economics perspective, climbing fuel prices only do us long term favors in light of encouraging efficiency.

Ive secured a source of cheap biodiesel to boot. It is not affected much by the diesel market..............

Diesel was 2.82 here in Northern Idaho about three days ago.:( -:t



I should have kept my Half ton, at least I could be fuel in it for under 2.00, and still get 18mpg. I need to start buying bio-diesel from the university here.

J-HEFF

Here in Cincinnati it is up to $2.34.9 in most locations. It sucks funding the war(s).
Mark
The war has absolutely nothing to do with the price of diesel. The price is tied to the NE and their desire to heat their homes with it. I wish people would quit blaming the war for everything. :rant:

The war has absolutely nothing to do with the price of diesel. The price is tied to the NE and their desire to heat their homes with it. I wish people would quit blaming the war for everything. :rant:
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No. 2 oil has been used as a heating fuel in the Northeast for over 50 years, and today is mostly only installed in new homes in rural areas where there is no access to natural gas lines.

If use of no 2 for home heating was the cause, then this issue would have occurred 50 years ago!

It is due to a combination of factors, including the presence of speculators in oil futures markets, the oil industry not wanting to keep high inventories (leaving us vulnerable to shortages and demand spikes), lack of expansion of refining capacity to meet expanding demand, and expanding world wide demand, particularly demand in India and China as their economies grow.

I just our prices ain't too bad. Anywhere from 2.10 to 2.20, I just wish it would go back down to about 1.80 like last summer and be .15 cheaper than gas.

The war has absolutely nothing to do with the price of diesel. The price is tied to the NE and their desire to heat their homes with it. I wish people would quit blaming the war for everything. :rant:

WishIhadone,

I worked for Govt for several years and they have very unique ways of funding things and this is one of them. At this time of year, the prices of fuel can easily be passed off or misconstrued as a heating issue or what ever you feel you want to play it off as, but put all things in perspective. Diesel fuel, kerosene and heating oils are less refined and are cheaper and easier to come by without as much effort/work or processing.:confused:

Mark

WishIhadone,

I worked for Govt for several years and they have very unique ways of funding things and this is one of them. At this time of year, the prices of fuel can easily be passed off or misconstrued as a heating issue or what ever you feel you want to play it off as, but put all things in perspective. Diesel fuel, kerosene and heating oils are less refined and are cheaper and easier to come by without as much effort/work or processing.:confused:

Mark

I agree, but the war has nothing to do with it so why even bring it up.:confused:

It is an excuse for the govt. Sadam even tried to play the card that the US came over here just to take over the oil fields. May not be so far from the truth but who's to say.
Think about it. I'm not trying to start a war here but I just want you to think about all of the issues involved in the situation.
Mark

What ever you want to think, this is not the place to discuss.

Nuff said..

It cost me $117.00 to fill my truck today! $2.499 Its Pure BS! To think i bought this truck to save on our fuel costs!

We had better get used to it or buy a mo-ped.

Well if this keeps up I will have to raise my labor rates!

$2.39 here for diesel and $1.99 for gas, looks like should switch to gas and actually save money,

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No. 2 oil has been used as a heating fuel in the Northeast for over 50 years, and today is mostly only installed in new homes in rural areas where there is no access to natural gas lines.

If use of no 2 for home heating was the cause, then this issue would have occurred 50 years ago!

It is due to a combination of factors, including the presence of speculators in oil futures markets, the oil industry not wanting to keep high inventories (leaving us vulnerable to shortages and demand spikes), lack of expansion of refining capacity to meet expanding demand, and expanding world wide demand, particularly demand in India and China as their economies grow.

At least this is what "they" are saying.....so I'd have to agree with this.

The war has absolutely nothing to do with the price of diesel. The price is tied to the NE and their desire to heat their homes with it. I wish people would quit blaming the war for everything. :rant:That is funny....then why everytime they blew up/burned a oil field the price per barrel went up? The war has nothing to do with it....or the fact that Bush comes from oil money and is in bed with the Saudis .:rolleyes:

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/050309/afp/050309064844business.html
Asia


http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=77047
Africa



http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050311/344/fe4b6.html
England

So my point, it is a world wide problem and not a North East heating problem. I Also find it VERY interesting that other countries and there goverments are trying to do something about it. But for the United States I have not yet found any articals that stated our goverment is trying to work on this problem. Or any pressure coming from us Americans.:(

Why are diesel prices higher than regular?

I realize this isn't a forum for politics, and I apologize, but it affects us all, (1.) Check the increased federal and state taxes put on diesel! In my state the federal diesel tax is twice state gasoline tax, and (2.) Ask your oil company family president to review the oil company windfall profit increases in his next State of The Union Speech! The multinational oil companies always use shortages in oil to increase profits, and (3.) Understand that China and India are chasing us and consuming more oil in competition with us! I spent time in China and I've never seen such positive, industrious workers! Tell your grandkids to get ready to compete, because they're closing on us fast! You should see their one cylinder diesel farm tricycles with exchangable beds and farm implements! Hand crank start, belt drive, rising hot water circulation to an aluminum pot to cool the engine! Simple to the point of beauty! They cost about $1600. and carry the load of a one ton truck! The Chinese love Americans and are trying to understand us! Me too!!

Unless our president works to lower diesel taxes and fuel company rip offs, get ready for inflation caused by high diesel prices because everything comes to us by truck!

All I can say guys is WTF. Heard Diesel could possibly hit $3.30. SOMETHING I dont know what, but something has to be done. There really is NO reason for it to be this high. Winter wasnt all that cold ETC.

It is interesting to look at the spot market gasoline, fuel oil, and diesel prices as published in the Wall Street Journal. Oxygenated gas is cheaper than non-oxygenated by about a dime a gallon (is this due to the end of winter, and the fact that there is often a changeover from oxygenated to non-oxygenated in Spring?).

Oxy gas is cheaper now that fuel oil and diesel, but non-oxy gas is higher than diesel and fuel oil.

And you guys in southern California, you don't want to know the spot prices of LA spec gasoline. Over 1.80 a gallon and about a quarter more per gallon than the NY Harbor stuff.

We had better get used to it or buy a mo-ped.
They make a diesel Moped?? :muahaha:

Saw it here for $2.79 and that's the highest I've seen. It varies from city to city (also, richer cities are higher) and how close they are to the freeways (highways for you county folks).


LATER!

The price of diesel is higher because of greed. No matter what you drive, "they" want to manipulate prices so that no matter what you drive, it costs the same per mile. They do not want any technology to be superior and have an advantage over another.

Diesel is the same as gas now for me.............2.49 for diesel and reg.unl.

What would the price of fuel do if congress voted to drill in some of these "off limits"areas?I bet the prices would start falling before they fired up the first drill.If the state and fed gov's felt the least bit sorry for us they might consider lowering the taxes on the stuff(yeah right)!I dont blame any company for trying to make more money its what I do every day.But,may be some of our elected officials could open up a more competitive oil market.?

There is probabably an imbalance in diesel -vs- gasoline production due to the direction the US and world economy has gone, creating a greater shortage/demand for diesel than gasoline.

The industry is geared towards a certain ratio and I think the ratio is changing faster than the industry can so prices go up.

More and More, I feel that GOUGING has less to do with Crude oil producers and is mostly caused by big Petroleum (refining) companies...... Every day I here our Govt. spending/wasting time and money on steroids in sports, a families PERSONAL tragedy of letting a loved one go.... It makes me sick, and regret ever being a republican. Why doesnt our govt. focus on our economy, or the fact that our Pres. advocates the illegal immigration of thousands of mexicans a day across our swiss cheese border. Hopefully next election we wont have to choose between a "giant douche or a Turd Sandwich" (sorry for the early morning South PArk reference.

Hmmm I see where our crude stocks have actually climbed over last years inv....BUT the refiners are dragging ass refining it. Thus Driving up the price more. Lets Hurry up with the bio plants....& have them owned by Farm Coops & NOT oil companys...& kiss dino goodbye

you guys think u have it bad i just got back from vacation in Hawaii to canada and found out it is 1.02 a liter canadian. rouphly calculated that is 3.40 us a gallon!!!!

Hopefully next election we wont have to choose between a "giant douche or a Turd Sandwich." ):h

we have watched diesel go from less than regular unleaded,to same as,to the same price as plus (or mid grade) to now the price of super or the (highest grade) central South Carolina





03 kodiak crewcab 5500 rollback

Yesterday the price of regular unleaded passed the price of diesel. unleaded is now .05 higher than diesel $2.22/ 2.17

In two days time, diesel here (DALLAS, TX) went from $2.15 to $2.25 at the cheapy store in town. Even the LOVE'S out on the highway (which is normally cheapest in my travels) is up to $2.24.

I think this is EXACTLY where it was last fall.........in CALIFORNIA!!!!

klvn8r

Unleaded has jumped from 2.19 to 2.34 here in the last 3 days. Diesel is still hovering at 2.15-2.20 for now. What happened to the good ole days where it was below a dollar? :(

Paid $2.699 last night.

$60 and the truck wasn't even empty.....

This sucks & it's going to get worse.

Wait until 2006 when the EPA's low sulpher standards really kick in....diesel will make expensive perfume look cheap. I go over to the local refiner twice per month on business and they're telling me that 2006 will be the year when diesel really hits an all time high, and stays there. They said the lower sulfer requirements will cost big....let's hope not but I've got a bad feeling for '06 and beyond. And that's without any further increase in crude oil cost.

Okay enough already. It's depressing enough to drive by the gas stations and see fuel approaching $2.80 a gallon. How meny of us are willing to dump hundreds of dollars into our trucks for mods and fun stuff to make it go faster. I for one will not let fuel prices stop me from driving the truck that I absolutly am passionate about. I am still planning on installing larger injectors and making more smoke at the race track. I don't hear anyone complaining about high insurance prices and hopefully we will never need to use that. :rant: Okay! Feel better now!!! Betty

Biodiesel in Boulder, CO is now 2.899/gal made of mustard seed. The two largest B-D processing plants in this country are being built (El Paso and N. Dakota). The price of dinodiesel going up will help move biodiesel forward. Once it really starts to kick in it will make a significant, positive impact on fuel prices, availability, air pollution, and the economy (farmers will love it!) and will reduce the $ we send to Muslim countries of fuel oil.

don't get too upset. there are two sides to every coin: eventually there will be more diesel engines on the roads than gassers. it will just take a little time (and $). :)

Diesel is 8 cents cheaper than unleaded in my neck of the woods.

Uk tax on fuel 85% ,the govenment tells us its because of the enviromental dammager that cars cause, so they want us to use clean fuels, companies spending millions on natural gas, hydrogen, batteries etc but we already have a clean fuel in veggy oil, but dont get caught using it unless you pay the tax on it!!!!WTF and to produce the batteries is about as unenviromentally challanging as you can get.......http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/images/smilies/rant.gif

I'd like to know where all the tax money on road fuels go to. Does it go to help protect the enviroment like the governement says its for? Does it go for road maintenance and construction to keep the roads open? Or does it go into the government general fund to pay for everything else the gov spends, such as welfare, etc.? That would be interesting to know where this money is spent for all governments, fed, state, local. If its like the billions of money collected from the tobacco lawsuit for healthcare, that was I think just thrown back into the general spending account, its just another way to tax us more, double and triple tax our income.

Diesel is running around 2.399 in Madison. I get it at my local truck stop (BP) for 2.359 (.03 off for cash).
I remember (:badidea: ) not long (ok maybe a yr+/-) ago when diesel was .30 to .50 cents cheaper than unleaded. it went up .30 in the winter cause they had to add "STUFF". but it was still way cheaper than unleaded.
:rant: Now they are just screwing everyone, deisel owners/drivers and then they nail us again when we buy goods cause cost of delivery is higher due to higher fuel prices.:rant:
Truckstop owner says it'll (price) probly drop some when we go back to summer grade :muahaha:.
jmho.
Stay safe guys......

I saw Diesel for $2.29 tonight while regular unleaded was $2.31.