Hello,
Well yesterday I test drove a new 08 GMC SLT CC. I currently have a 05 CC with a Hyper tech set at level 1. My thoughts on the new one were good until I started reading the threads here. My current truck unloaded will get 19.8 if I stay under 65 If I bump up to 75 it will drop to 17or worse. Loaded 6500 trailer I will get about 14 to 15 out of it. If I put the slide in camper 1200lbs in the back and the trailer then I drop down to 10 to 12 staying under 65.So my questions are:
1. How many of you would trade for the new truck or wish you had your older Dmax back?
2. What are the positives of the new ruck? One I noticed when driving yesterday was at 75 it was only turning 1800 rpms. I also like the acceleration and for the first time after getting out of the new one and getting in the mine, mine really did feel like a truck. The ride in the 08 was a lot smoother and quieter.
3. Finally how much off sticker did you get? the dealer I talked to yesterday dropped 10k before we even got serious about it. That was just to get me to drive it.

Thanks for any info you can provide. Based on what I am reading now I am leaning towards keeping my current truck.

Gary

I love my 08 but sure miss the 05 I had. The 05 got better mileage , no DPF and ran on LSD, but the 08 has the 6 speed tranny and more HP and it does pull more weight....so I guess in the long run the 08 has more to offer, it just cost more to run:(

you can cure that mpg issue by removing the DPF. I did and once i hit about 13,000mi the mpg got a ton better

I traded and 05' 3500DRW/CC/D/A in for truck in signature. If I had it to do all over again...yep, I'd still do it. This truck has more power towing in the mountains then my 05'....the 05' and this truck are both stock. I like the looks of this truck better then I did the 05, though, I did like the looks of the 05' no matter what anyone else said about the Chevy trucks. I have close to 11,000 miles on my truck and so far, no issues. The regen thing with the DPF is...well, it is what it is..."per the law, suppose to be there". To me, it's been no big deal. I like the 6 speed over the 5 speed and being able to pick the gear I want to be driving in. I tow in the mountains of NC,SC,TN & VA, some very long, steep and sometimes curvy, whether on the interstate or secondary roads...this truck is an ani-MULE..
I love it. MPG could probably be better, but it isn't so bad that I'd say I wished I had my 03 D/A or my 05 D/A back. The truck looks good, rides well, tows GREAT and has power to spare.
I'd trade my 05' , again, for the "new body style" and the LMM so fast, it would make your head spin!:D

Not sure if a new one is rught for you, I personally love my truck, best truck I have ever owned, but I dont drive that much so the reduced fuel econmy doesnt really hit me as hard in the pocket book and I am aslo willing to take the dpf off. But if you were to get one i bet you could get a great price...Josh

Another way to look at it, the fuel mileage decrease is roughly 2 mpg average....and some say it's less than that. Over 100,000 miles you are going to spend 4,000$ more on fuel because of the emmisions equipment.

You can simply remove the DPF and add a tuner to get rid of the codes, but you'll give up your powertrain warrantee. If you never break the truck you'll be 4,000$ ahead. If you break one major powertrain component like the trans or engine then you'll be right back where you were $$ wise. You just have to decide if you want to roll the dice on the warrantee deal.

I jumped right out of an 06' 6.0 gasser company vehicle into my 08' lmm and it was a huge difference. The interior is miles ahead in the LMM and the ride is much better and my LMM has the z71 package (stiffer) where the 06 didn't. This is very surprising to me as the two trucks have the same frame, suspension and tires. I can only guess that the body might be stiffer on the new truck and that they went to a better body mount to quite NVH.

I got 12 mpg with 6.0 no matter what I did. The LMM gets me 16 avg. doing nothing but 8 mi. short trips and gets much better on the open road. I avg. 18 on a long trip on the highway over several tanks of fuel so I know I went through a regen.

You'll eventually have to get a new truck you might as well get in now while the water is warm.

Not sure if a new one is rught for you, I personally love my truck, best truck I have ever owned, but I dont drive that much so the reduced fuel econmy doesnt really hit me as hard in the pocket book and I am aslo willing to take the dpf off. But if you were to get one i bet you could get a great price...Josh

im the same with you spy
i will be driving maybe 7000 miles a year if that
so it wont hit me too bad but what we pay now for premium in all are cars is like 65 a tank @ 16 gallons or so
26*4.59=$120 or so
so were doubling fuel costs but owell its a truck what do u expect!

Thanks for all the help!

OK DPF stands for:o::o::o: I know I should look it up. I am guessing it is in the new exhaust or emissions.

Still torn on the trucks. Getting ready to head to Moab, Utah from KY so it would get a great break end. I know if I pull two Jeeps with my 05 I am going to be overweight. Jeeps will be around 6K each plus trailer weight. Will I be overweight with an 08?

love my 05

Thanks for all the help!

OK DPF stands for:o::o::o: I know I should look it up. I am guessing it is in the new exhaust or emissions.

Still torn on the trucks. Getting ready to head to Moab, Utah from KY so it would get a great break end. I know if I pull two Jeeps with my 05 I am going to be overweight. Jeeps will be around 6K each plus trailer weight. Will I be overweight with an 08?

DPF= diesel particulate filter. do a search on the web to see how the system works, or do a search here, there are dozens of threads about it.

6k+6k+?, you gave no trailer weight, but maybe 4 to 5k, so 16 to 17k, duramax single axles are rated to 16k, gooseneck or 5th wheel. Being that is just a guideline, due to rear tires and gm's lawyers. This same powertrain is rated for up to 26k on the dually one tons, so the powertrain strength is there, but not rear tire ability.

That weight would be no problem for an LMM.

Mike

Love my 08 will never look back,had a 454 gasser and there is no comparison!

My 01,03 and 05 were all good and had decent mpg. I do wish the 08 had that kind of mpg the older units had... but with the 08 missing the dpf it is pretty good so with a few mods i like my 08 better then the others.

6k+6k+?, you gave no trailer weight, but maybe 4 to 5k, so 16 to 17k, duramax single axles are rated to 16k, gooseneck or 5th wheel. Being that is just a guideline, due to rear tires and gm's lawyers. This same powertrain is rated for up to 26k on the dually one tons, so the powertrain strength is there, but not rear tire ability.

That weight would be no problem for an LMM.


Thanks Mike I know the 05 is rated at 12k total and yes the trailer is 4k. That would have helped wouldn't it?:rolleyes:

I would have not traded for the 08 if I didn't need a DRW 3500 as we got a new heaver 5er. I may have taken my 03 to my grave as it was a great truck.
That being said... The LMM is far and away the best truck we ever had so far. For a DRW it rides well and the handling and power there are no words for. If you do it, you will love the truck. Now the question is do you need to, or want to bad enough to pay the differance.
I will say that not having black diesel soot down the side and rear of my 5er is very nice too.

Good luck in all you do.

Phil

I went from an 05 to an 08 and its the nicest truck ever..I love my 08..Yes it has the DPF but if you take that off its just like an LBZ with nicer interior and new body style.

Go ahead and get you a new LMM. You won't be disapointed:D I absolutley love mine. They only thaing that sucks about the truck is the DPF but all you have to do is remove it and get a programmer to turn the codes off and you will be set. I dropped the DPF and went with a turbo back exhaust with the Quad and I am now seeing 2 mpg increase. Now is the right time to be buying a diesel truck with such big rebates. So go ahead and get u one ;)

I've been lurking on here for a while reading up on stuff. Currently have an 02 1500 x-cab Z71 been looking to upgrade. Finally decided what I want and went to talk turkey at the dealer where I bought the current truck. They had exactly what I want and I test drove it and think it's a great truck. Unfortunately so do they. They think it so much that they wouldn't come down 10k off of sticker which keeps it out of my price range. What's worse, they only offered me about 50% of kelly blue book trade in on my truck.
That cummins I test drove before at 15k off is looking better now, even though I'd still rather have the chevy.
How much did everybody get off sticker, if you don't mind me asking. The MSRP on this truck is 46k and I was thinking I should be able to get it for at most 45. Am I wrong?

08 stock truck here, its a great truck, purchased to work. Its factory stock and going to stay that way!

I've been lurking on here for a while reading up on stuff. Currently have an 02 1500 x-cab Z71 been looking to upgrade. Finally decided what I want and went to talk turkey at the dealer where I bought the current truck. They had exactly what I want and I test drove it and think it's a great truck. Unfortunately so do they. They think it so much that they wouldn't come down 10k off of sticker which keeps it out of my price range. What's worse, they only offered me about 50% of kelly blue book trade in on my truck.
That cummins I test drove before at 15k off is looking better now, even though I'd still rather have the chevy.
How much did everybody get off sticker, if you don't mind me asking. The MSRP on this truck is 46k and I was thinking I should be able to get it for at most 45. Am I wrong?
I am pretty sure if the truck you want has a sticker of 46 and you want it for 45 there shouldnt be any problem, if you meant 35 I think it will be close, check edmunds.com and see what others in your area are paying for similiar vehicles, good luck

I got 10K of sticker I was happy at the time, and still love my truck. Coming from a gasser there's no comparison. Go to another dealership if yours don't want to deal. Like everyone said this is the time to buy.

TXAGG05 (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/member.php?u=74944)

You should be able to find a much better deal then that, I traded my 01 z71 extended cab for my 08 LT2 crew cab. The sticker for mine was almost 49 and I picked it up for just over 36 with rebates and overstock incentives because the truck had sat on the lot for to long. I know in Iowa, they are offering crazy incentives because they are sitting on so many trucks. Karl Chevrolet in Ankeny,IA has to be sitting on almost 20-25 08 LMM's. Not only that, they had at least 3 used LMM's on the used car lot the other day, two of which looked like they were tricked out ones.

Not to hijack the thread...but I have the LMM in my sig. for sale if anyone would be interested feel free to pm me...I want it gone so I can make way for a race car...:)

Dealer called today have not worked trade in on my 05 but at this point he is at 39 and change for a 51 and change sticker truck. Good deal?

Ya I would say thats a good deal.

I paid 45000 for a 53500 sticker vehicle in dec, so I would say its a great deal...Josh

Dealer called today have not worked trade in on my 05 but at this point he is at 39 and change for a 51 and change sticker truck. Good deal?

so sticker was 51 and u got it for 39? i found a lucky steal
a left over 07.5 ext lmm cab 4x4 slt gmc 2500 f0r 34k prolly could get it for 30-32 if i tried plus theres 3250 rebates here
its got everything but gps and dvd wich i dont need

Well I knew something would bite me. He will not give me anything for my truck:(.

Well I knew something would bite me. He will not give me anything for my truck:(.

Anything ? What do you mean ? What is wrong with it ?

If you have an '05 and like it, why trade? I rented an '08 Chev. for a day....nice truck, quiet and rode very well. But no way would I trade my '04. The negatives........1) Hood is way too high off the ground for a shooting platform. That right there would be enough to make me not want one. 2)The GMC's are ok, but Chev's are just ugly. 3) Those cheapass plastic Chev. bumper edges. 4) The dash is sleek, but the earlier dash controls are more user friendly. 5) Too much smog crap. 6) They're expensive. 7) That thing felt really slow compared to mine.

If they're coming way off sticker price, that's something. But I'd never trade mine and would say to definitely keep the '05. I did the trans plus a 6sp conversion, and you really feel that extra overdrive.

I paid 33,000.00, on paper (my '07 1/2 ton plus a check for 17,500 so work the numbers the way you want) for a new '07 2500hd LTZ but had been on the lot for 13 months. It stickered at 48975'ish. This was in July when oil was at 140.00/barrel and going up.

Anything ? What do you mean ? What is wrong with it ?

Nothing. 05 SLT, loaded, 65K miles told me 18 and he felt that was stretching it. I will keep it for that. I know he is wholesaling his and wants to do the same to mine but I am not giving my truck away.

I understand where you are coming from by wanting more for your truck but you cant have it both ways, if you think your truck is worth more then 18 and after you factor the tax benefit of trading it in, if after all this you think you could get more and dont forget your time its worth something, I know my free time is, sell it yourself and get a killer deal on a new one with the proceeds going towards the new one, but at the end of the day you have to do what works for you, best of luck...Josh

I agree with you. One of the big downfalls in KY is that you don't get a tax break on buying new only on used. We have to pay 6% of 90% of the sticker regardless what you buy the truck for.

Like others have stated you can't have it both ways. The dealer has to make a profit somewhere or they wouldn't be in business.

The only thing that matters on a trade is the difference, what comes out of your pocket. The best deal is the one where you part with the least amount of cash. I don't care if they write my trade up at $5.00 or $50,000.00 I only look at what leaves my bank account.

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Well I knew something would bite me. He will not give me anything for my truck:(.

Why don't you just sell it outright. That's what I did. I sold it online to a guy in Idaho and he had it shipped to him. I was in Mesa AZ. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Good luck

For what it's worth...

I went from a 1500 5.3L gasser to what's in my sig. I love it, absolutely love it. My dad has a 2004 3500 D/A. I love mine compared to his. I do plan on taking off the DPF sometime (hopefully soon), so except for that, the truck is flawless. Haven't had any problems in almost 16,000 miles (knock on wood). But it has been a great truck and I wouldn't go back to anything else. It just all depends I guess on how much you are willing to do to customize (if you even want to). It seems to me that there are a lot more loops to go through to mod these trucks because of computer or warantee restrictions. But good luck with whatever you end up doing.

i traded my 03 gmc 3500 slt drw for a 08 gmc slt dually.i only have 1500 miles on it but so far no regrets.i get 18.5-19.5 mpg on h way empty.12.5-13 mpg towing 6k lbs.good luck.

for what its worth I have had 2 chevy 1500 with z-71 and a late model Ford F-150 4dr with king ranch, and I mostly just had trucks for their purpose, you know the home depot trips and dirt bikes and the boat, and I upgraded to the diesel to pull the boat a little easier, and before I would have said that I wasnt even a real big truck fan, just needed them basically. But after I got the truck in my sig I just fell in love with it, it is the best truck I have ever owned, and I have only had it for 8 months, I like it so much that I decided to for go a used porsche twin turbo purchase just so I could mod this thing, what can I say I love this truck, buy what you can afford and then if you can, buy what makes you happy...Josh

my 03 felt like it had alot more power than the 08. i would rather have the 5 speed trans rather then the 6 speed. but the new trucks do have alot more interior features

Oh I feel your pain for those debating on trading up. I've mentioned this before many times. I just got my 05 paid off and a shop is installing new zinc Bilsteins and the Sulastic thing. Also EFIlive and gauges to replace the Banks PDA Six Gun. From doing all this recent work you'd think I was keeping my 05 forever. But in the end, the shocks and Sulastic can be swapped over and the same with EFILive. After test driving an 08 GMC dually I was set to sell mine after I found out if I could deal with being over here long term. Well that time passed just about the time fuel went up in price so I saw the value of my truck drop like mad. So while it's a great time to buy a new truck, it sux to try and get any kind of return from what is basically a new truck except for age. But I get to drive it again in a few weeks and maybe a roadtrip will rekindle what I feel for my truck. Or maybe I'll realize that keeping a depreciating asset in storage isn't worth it. Enough of my ramblings. Cheers to all.

I'm pretty interested in getting a new one because when I got mine GM offered employee pricing....now they are again. But I have EVERYTHING I want on mine now, and I don't want to start over with a new one. It's tempting, but I plan on mine lasting a looong time....I'm keeping my LLY.

Well another dealer gave me the deal I was looking for and I bought a new truck....I finally feel like I belong here.

08 2500 4x4 crew, lwb white

We are still in love with our 08 LMM. It is the best truck we have ever owned. And we've owned one truck or another for 40 years. This one did have the turbo line leak right at new, fixed by the dealer and 8000 miles later, still nothing. Had the ecm reflash done and haven't noticed any change in anything. Did switch over the fluids to all amsoil synthetic lubricants. We get 12-16 mph driving around town, depending on a regeneration or not, and 18-22mph highway, again depending on regeneration or not. Pulling our boat, 6500 pounds to Lake Powell and back, 700 miles roundtrip, we averaged 15.2mpg. My old truck with the 350ci would only get 8.2mpg. I will never go back to a gas truck, unless diesel triples in cost to a gallon of gas. Right now, diesel is running around $4.19 a gallon and unleaded is still at $3.99. We have had the truck 11 months now. Ordered the truck with our local dealer over the phone while my wife and I lived in Ireland for a couple of years, returning home last Sept. and taking delivery the last of Sept.

Awesome Truck. Nice when your at the red light next to a bunch of big headed teens in their gay honda civic reving your engine at you and you burn their ass down the street to the next light leaving your black smoke and suit all over their gay POS.:idiot:

Like others have stated you can't have it both ways. The dealer has to make a profit somewhere or they wouldn't be in business.

The only thing that matters on a trade is the difference, what comes out of your pocket. The best deal is the one where you part with the least amount of cash. I don't care if they write my trade up at $5.00 or $50,000.00 I only look at what leaves my bank account.


Yes you can. Sell it privately.

Dealer called today have not worked trade in on my 05 but at this point he is at 39 and change for a 51 and change sticker truck. Good deal?

How much can you sell your '05 for?

I bought my '08 SLT in Oct. '07 and got $5600 (Costco program) + $1500 (dealer incentive) off.

If you're still happy with your '05, wait for the brand new Duramax engine in 2010.

Never mind voiding your warranty by removing the DPF. What's the fine for removing portions of your emissions control system? At least if someone gives me grief about driving a 9200# truck, I can point out the exhaust tip and tell them to show me a cleaner one. There is NO residue in mine after 19,000 miles.

Dealer called today have not worked trade in on my 05 but at this point he is at 39 and change for a 51 and change sticker truck. Good deal?

Yeah it's a good deal... My sticker was 50 and I paid 38... Im an employee...err was... LOL :D

Man you guys are getting some sick deals, just think of all that extra money that can be spent on mods...Josh

Just purchased a 08 4x4 CC DRW LTZ, sticker price $51,000, paid $39,000 including rhino bed liner and B&W hitch. Thought they give me a pretty good deal. Small dealership too, was there only an hour and half. Owned Cummins the past 12 years, first DMax purchase, first 285 miles have been great so far. Looking forward to reading more on this site.

Hi,

I also bought a new one this yesterday. 3500 LTZ 4x4 SRW, MSRP $53,730 - paid $41,126.35 (plus tax & license). It is wht/titanium and has every options except high idle and dual alternators - dealer told me you can program high idle thru the Nave. They gave me a fair trade on my 06 Suburban as well, which I bought from them last summer when my truck broke down the week before I went on vacation. They will deliver it tommorrow.

My 05 Superduty has been unreliable lately, so it was time for a change. 6.0 is not a great motor, otherwise a pretty nice truck. Surburban was bought used last year to take care of family trips so we didn't have to worry about the truck breaking down. Now they both will go and we will have a reliable truck again.

No motor mods this time but a few other things will likely sneak on the truck like suspension, wheels, tires, bumpers, bed liner (line X or Rhino), tranferflow fuel tank, winch, lights, air compresssor, nitrogen rack etc.. All things on my existing truck so real bummer I have to duplicate it!

JCM

Sounds like you guys got some solid deals and some nice trucks, hope they work out for ya...Josh