I would think that they would come from the factory stock with anti sway bars, at least on the 3/4 and up trucks. Why not? Obviously its a good idea to install them rght?

I know I have a sway in the front. Can't remember seeing one the in rear and I'm too lazy to go outside to look. :D

I know I have a sway in the front. Can't remember seeing one the in rear and I'm too lazy to go outside to look. :D

Yeah the Dmax's seem to all have them, not sure if they come stock.....but I don't see any 6.2/6.5 unless they are aftermarket.

no they dont come stock in the back and u dont need them either there are unless

I run close to the maximum weight in my truck in the Cascade Mountains in Oregon and Washington. Having good antisway bars front and rear make for a safer and smoother ride on steep curving roads. I guess flatlanders don't need them.

no they dont come stock in the back and u dont need them either there are unless

You saying we don't need them only in the back, or don't need them at all, front or back?

Just curious as to why they are useless?

I can see how maybe they engineered these trucks good enough to not need sway bars for unloaded, or lightly loaded trucks. But I assume if you're driving winding mountain roads or heavily loaded, that thats where you notice the difference and they become beneficial?

All I know is that unloaded, I still get some decent front end roll on turns. Especially if I hid a bump that gets me bouncing a little in a highway turn.

When I had all my camping and travel gear loaded in the truck, it could be very bad. Obviously I'm sure being lifeted a little doesn't help.

I also assume that sway bars become more important the higher you lift the truck??

Thanks for all thoughts, I'm just trying to figure out how front ends work and what effect certain mods do.

empty, gooseneck, or ball hitch a rear swaybar won't do too much. 5th wheel will help a good bit, slide in camper will be very useful...

i have the hellwig 1 1/2 front and 1 1/4 rear solid bars and it provides nice stability while towing the 5ther and awsome cornering while empty, if you do any off roading they will limit your articulation though . not a problem for me though, and have done a far amount of time in the dirt with them and the truck still can serve its purpose.

You saying we don't need them only in the back, or don't need them at all, front or back?

Just curious as to why they are useless?

I can see how maybe they engineered these trucks good enough to not need sway bars for unloaded, or lightly loaded trucks. But I assume if you're driving winding mountain roads or heavily loaded, that thats where you notice the difference and they become beneficial?

All I know is that unloaded, I still get some decent front end roll on turns. Especially if I hid a bump that gets me bouncing a little in a highway turn.

When I had all my camping and travel gear loaded in the truck, it could be very bad. Obviously I'm sure being lifeted a little doesn't help.

I also assume that sway bars become more important the higher you lift the truck??

Thanks for all thoughts, I'm just trying to figure out how front ends work and what effect certain mods do.

u have them in the front on all vechiles but the back doesnt come stock and if its tht bad with a load then get new shocks tht part of ur problem i have my truck full going through winding roads and no prblems and my last truck had 13inches of lift on 38s and i towed with it and no roll on windy roads so i personnaly dont think u need them from my experiences

no they dont come stock in the back and u dont need them either there are unless

Wow, then I need to close my business down tomorrow and stop manufacturing and selling 1000's of these bars to truck owners a year. The ONLY reason manufactures do not supply pick ups with rear anti sway bars is money. Every truck in stock form has the cheapest parts they can get away with supplying. Shocks, tires, and all the other parts that we replace as soon as we buy these trucks. And why is there only a front sway bar? Because from the factory there is only weight in the front of the truck. So if you drive the truck with any weight at the rear of the truck, well common sense would dictate you need one in the rear too.

The good thing about GM is they give use an excellent foundation to build on. They supply one of the best frames, engine, and transmission combination available. The rest of the truck can be built and upgraded to last 100's of thousands of miles. These upgrade include but are not limited to products like the Cognito Leveling kit, Cognito Pitman/Idler braces, HD tie rod kits, and SWAY BARS which we proudly manufacture and supply to organizations like the US Border Patrol to stop the trucks from rolling over when they are loaded down with prisoners in yes, pick-up trucks. Equate that situation to the family camping trip when you have a 3500lb camper on board and you will soon see the benefits of having a product like the sway bars installed on your weekend camper with your family on board. I can tell you now that sway bars have saved countless lives of Diesel Place members. Just search and read the forum more closely. They are an inexpensive insurance policy when that retard in a 4 wheeler suddenly cuts you off and you yank the wheel to hard or the winds are a blowing through those mountain passes.

Don't take my word for it or think I am trying to get a shameless plug in here. Just go to the Federal Traffic and Highway Safety Administration's website and watch some of the videos of them rolling over medium duty trucks with a lot less weight and at lowers speeds then we usually run in our personal trucks. Which is also why the Federal Government will be regulating and mandating NEW anti-roll over electronics in the next generation of Vans, SUV's, AND Pick-Up Trucks. All because the manufacturer's bean counters have gotten a little carried away in cutting the factory supplied safety components.

Just in case you were wondering about the front bars on our GM 2500/3500 HD trucks here is a picture of a HOLLOW front sway bar from a brand new 2500, that was full of water, made from a cheap bending unit and cheap material. You can see where water from condensation has caused the bar to start rusting from the inside out already. After a few more years all you will know is the truck just got sloppy all of a sudden and not realize that the front HOLLOW sway bar actually snap front rusting from the inside out.

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I don't know what everyone else experience is but i bought my truck drove it home on the twisty back roads from the dealer thoughts were
{ rides nice body rolls way to much in the rear Hmmm?? this truck must not have a rear sway bar yupp gona havta do somethin there}

It all depends what you do but for a slide in camper (We have a 3500lb BigFoot) air bags in the rear help a lot in handling.

It all depends what you do but for a slide in camper (We have a 3500lb BigFoot) air bags in the rear help a lot in handling.


As stated before GM does give an excellent foundation to work with, you point out another item that is a necessity when you are carrying such a large amount of weight and that is the use of air bags. That said you have to understand the use of air bags will INCREASE roll because you are moving or distributing the extra weight from a set of steel springs with roll resistance to a “spring” (air bags) with ZERO roll resistance. Air bags are made of rubber, as you all know, and as such the rubber will flex like the sidewall of a tire would when pushed from side to side. The more the bags take over for the metal springs the more flex is introduced into the system. Thus if you have air bags or use them that makes the use of an Anti Sway device that much more mandatory.

I added sway bars after I lifted my truck..........HUGE difference! It is night and day difference on the rear. After the lift was installed it was like my truck had four wheel steering going through twisties and felt out of control. I actually pulled over because I thought I was getting a flat tire, it felt VERY weird. I had a friend follow me once and he said the rear end was moving/steering. I added the swaybars and it helped a lot.

The only problem I've had is the underbed swaybar hits my bed crossmember. This is on a longbed when loaded down. I think I just need to adjust the endlink a lot shorter to fix this problem.

u have them in the front on all vechiles but the back doesnt come stock and if its tht bad with a load then get new shocks tht part of ur problem i have my truck full going through winding roads and no prblems and my last truck had 13inches of lift on 38s and i towed with it and no roll on windy roads so i personnaly dont think u need them from my experiences

You lifted with new leaf packs, right? Thats part of the reason you had less roll. I guarantee you those arched packs were a bit stiffer than these stock ones we run.

Wow, then I need to close my business down tomorrow and stop manufacturing and selling 1000's of these bars to truck owners a year. The ONLY reason manufactures do not supply pick ups with rear anti sway bars is money.

When you close down can I have a set of the useless bars?:D

Wow, then I need to close my business down tomorrow and stop manufacturing and selling 1000's of these bars to truck owners a year. The ONLY reason manufactures do not supply pick ups with rear anti sway bars is money. Every truck in stock form has the cheapest parts they can get away with supplying. Shocks, tires, and all the other parts that we replace as soon as we buy these trucks. And why is there only a front sway bar? Because from the factory there is only weight in the front of the truck. So if you drive the truck with any weight at the rear of the truck, well common sense would dictate you need one in the rear too.


well thts fine but in my opinion the money spent on them is not worth it to me.

well thts fine but in my opinion the money spent on them is not worth it to me.

Well you will never truly know unless you try them.

For what its worth,I installed Tom Fredericos sway bars on my 07 classic LBZ 2500HD ext. cab long bed 4x4. I would do it again at twice the price! Truck corners flat, goes where I point it without the body roll. Thank you Tom

I became a believer when I installed Tom's sway bars and I know you would .

Just went to the Frederico website and its not clear if his $499 kit will fit the new body style '07.5's and newer trucks. Please advise. Mine has Airlift airbags but the suspension is otherwise stock.

Call up Nick at NorCal Truck and talk to him. Get the rear underbed swaybar. Look in my garage at the setup I bought. It helps A LOT!

True, our website is not up to date and unclear.

So let me try to assist here.

We have sway bars for ANY configuration. Old Body style, new body style, with or without lift kits, stock or aftermarket exhaust. We have it all covered. Always feel free to contact NorCal, Cognito, or us for any information you need.

Love mine, and money well spent. It's not bling, won't get you noticed just cruising around like big tires, exhaust, HID's etc. But on curves, Frederico bars are the cat's ass.

NOT trying to tick you off Tom, hopefully my questions below will give you a chance to talk about the superiority of your product, but:

Please advise as to the difference between your rear sway bar for my '08 3500 CC DRW and those of Hellwig? I THINK I found the Hellwig online for $241 - but it was listed for a 2500 and I couldn't find one from them for a 3500. Are we talking hollow versus solid bar? Diameter difference? Material difference? Difference in hangers, ease of installation? I am ready to buy soon.

NOT trying to tick you off Tom, hopefully my questions below will give you a chance to talk about the superiority of your product, but:

Please advise as to the difference between your rear sway bar for my '08 3500 CC DRW and those of Hellwig? I THINK I found the Hellwig online for $241 - but it was listed for a 2500 and I couldn't find one from them for a 3500. Are we talking hollow versus solid bar? Diameter difference? Material difference? Difference in hangers, ease of installation? I am ready to buy soon.

First and foremost I will repeat and say again as I do not hide the fact that Hellwig manufactures my line of products. They also back up my LIFETIME Warranty.

Now the differences you seek between my line and Hellwig's line. This varies depending on the vehicle application.

But in general we use the same base materials. The metal of the bar itself is the only thing that is similar to that of our bar. We in most cases use different thicknesses, bends, end link material, designs, and other difference including but not limited to the use of adjustable sway bars and or end links.

Hellwig manufactures 1000's and thousands of bars per week thus they have to streamline the R&D of their own systems and since they sell a majority of their 'standard" products to distributors such as Jeg's and Summit they do not have the inventory space or desire to manufacture the "higher" end or more “custom” line of products and builds more of a one size fits all product. Hellwig offers one bar for the 2500HD we have 3, well 4 if you count the front bar. We have a line for trucks with aftermarket exhaust systems Hellwig’s are stock exhaust only.

Frederico Performance simply sub-contracts Hellwig to make the pieces we research, develop, and design to our specifications. This means you are getting a product that was designed to work as hard as you expect your truck to work to its maximum potential. Examples of this are 5000lb campers, snow plows, 20,000 gooseneck trailer, toy haulers, ect. Designed for maximum performance vehicles for the maximum performance client.All Frederico Performance kits are bolt on and can be done in your driveway with some air tools.


As far as Frederico Performance is concerned we all have our place in this market. If you want a standard replacement product for standard performance at a standard low cut cost then they are available to you. If you want the very best performance using the best parts and materials available with nearly 24/7 customer services which Frederico Performance provides then we are here to serve your needs.

In conclusion, we all know the power of the internet and the members of this forum and others speak much louder then any words I can speak. From what I read and what others say, 99.9% rave about the products and service. From this experience we can only conclude that the majority would and have on a number of occasions spend their hard earned money again with us if they needed our services. Don’t take my word for it just read the posts. :)

Tom Frederico
Tom@TFEnt.com
TFEnt
858.883.2655

Tom,
After I posted on this thread last night I kept searching and I came up with a number of comments about your products and your service. You are correct; without exception I heard positive things about both particularly your customer support; congratulations. I hope you survive the current difficult economic situation. I think you may well since you are willing to be upfront with your prospective customers.

My application is an '08 3500HD Crew Cab 4x4 DRW which is fully stock except I have already installed Airlift airbags on it. I carry an 11-1/2 foot Lance 1181 camper on it that probably goes 4000 lbs when fully loaded. I will also be towing a relatively light Zieman trailer with a pair of Kawasaki 1100 three person jet ski's. I will be using a SuperTruss 48" tow bar extension as I am considering upgrading the factory class V receiver to a SuperHitch Magnum. The reason? At some point I MAY upgrade to a full sized boat. Probably in the 21 foot range. I also intend to install a Mag Hytec differential cover at some point and I saw on your website that one of your bars clears that cover, but I don't know if it would allow installation AFTER your rear bar was installed or if your bar would have to be removed to allow installtion?

I have no issue with your subcontracting to Hellwig for production and I have no problem with your charging a premium for a premiun product. I didn't mean to prompt a defensive response, only a description of the specific differences for the "standard" rear Hellwig bar versus the rear bar I would buy from you for the application I described above. Thanks again for your response. - Dan

Dan:

No offence taken my friend. I apologize if the response was taken as defensive as it was not intended to be taken as such. It was merely meant to reiterate, inform, be upfront, short, and sweet. I take great pride as being more humble then anything else, as I treat people as I too would like to be treated as a client.

Our bars were designed to be used in combination with many other aftermarket parts such as the Mag-Hytec diff covers and air bags. We make different sway bars to work with different exhaust systems. No matter what your configuration chances are we have a set-up designed for you. Please feel free to contact us at your convenience even if it’s after dinner tonight when you want to sit down and discuss your options. This is one main reason I do not complete the website as I prefer to interact and talk to my clients. Our phone is good 24/7. If you get our voice mail leave your information as I am probably on the phone with another client and we will call you back ASAP.

Thank you for your interest in our products

Dan, how do your airbags mount? Do they have any brackets that mount to the OUTSIDE of the frame rails? If not, I would do the underbed swaybar. Looks cleaner, nothing hanging under the rear, no exhaust worries or diff cover issues.

07 I saw a 3500 on dealership lot with out the bed,prob made for a box or flat bed etc. it has a factory rear sway bar, I said why the hell they dont put them on the regular duallys.