hey folx,


i just got an email from kennedy about the 4" exhaust i just ordered for my 02 dmax/alli. here is what it said. "


It has come to my attention that the first pipe in your exhaust kit is likely too short by approx 7.5" There will be an extension and SS band clamp enroute ASAP to correct this. My apologies for any inconvenience. If your system is not too short, please disregard this message."


i wrote back that i would not accept "this fix" only because 1. i shoud have to put up with somebodies measuring problem and 2 i ordered a system that has the fewest amount o f individual pipes. all his "fix" does is add another point of potential air leakage. am i being to harsh or not? Also, what is "ASAP" i assume that i first have to measure all the pipes and then notify him that one is to short and he in turn will ship the extra pipe and clamp. i am alsmost crtain the pipe would not make it here to meet my wednesday appointment i made with my mechanic o put this system on. what do you guys think?

this is america. if you dont like it return it. or ask kennedy to fix it correctly. chances are he will.... after all it is his reputaton.... for what thats worth.

Isn't a supplyer suppose to know if it will fit? Wonder if i could get away with that line? " tow it back to your house after you pay me and i will send the parts when i get them" then you can drive your truck.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

For those of you who have not purchased JK's exhaust, Kennedy does not build his own systems but utilizes a muffler/exhaust system company. Often, the systems are mailed directly from this company...not from Kennedy.


I do admit. This puts Kennedy in a vulnerable position as this does not put him in control of the final product shipped to the customer.


I also had a problem when I received my system. The S/S muffler bands were entirely missing. Kennedy asked me to purchase them locally. Which I did and he reimbursed me.


If I were in your shoes I would not accept Kennedy's suggested fix and ask for the correct downpipe be shipped or provide a full refund including shipping both ways.

hey folx,


i just got an email from kennedy about the 4" exhaust i just ordered for my 02 dmax/alli. here is what it said. "


It has come to my attention that the first pipe in your exhaust kit is likely too short by approx 7.5" There will be an extension and SS band clamp enroute ASAP to correct this. My apologies for any inconvenience. If your system is not too short, please disregard this message."


i wrote back that i would not accept "this fix" only because 1. i shoud have to put up with somebodies measuring problem and 2 i ordered a system that has the fewest amount o f individual pipes. all his "fix" does is add another point of potential air leakage. am i being to harsh or not? Also, what is "ASAP" i assume that i first have to measure all the pipes and then notify him that one is to short and he in turn will ship the extra pipe and clamp. i am alsmost crtain the pipe would not make it here to meet my wednesday appointment i made with my mechanic o put this system on. what do you guys think?











Lemme see if I got this right.


You ordered an exhaust system from Kennedy.


It was manufactured and will be drop shipped to you by ANOTHER COMPANY.


THE OTHER COMPANY screwed up and informed Kennedy that they may have built some of these systems with the incorrect length.


So Kennedy is proactive and informs you that you might have a problem and offers to fix it. Before your system even arrives.


You don't know if your system will have a short pipe or not.


But you're willing to publicly complain about it.


Is there someone here, on this forum, who will fix this potential problem for you?


Now I agree that adding an extension is not my favorite way to fix it, even though the band clamp is definitely not gonna leak. The point is, nobody else's opinion matters on this. The right answer is purely between you and John Kennedy.


I'm sure he'll do what's right to make you happy. But complaining about stuff like this publicly probably won't help.





Here's my advice, since you asked. Ask him nicely for a new pipe. Keep in mind the whole "you get more with honey than vinegar" theory. He will probably get the people who screwed up to fix their mistake.


Cancel your appointment if the pipe's too short. Be a little patient, since he's at the mercy of the mfr's schedule. This could be why he offered to send an extension - maybe they told him it would take a while to correct their mistake and this is faster. Consider installing it yourself, it's pretty easy. I never even considered having someone else install it for me...


I've already installed my Kennedy 4"/5" system and I had to trim it a little bit. I knew up front it would need trimming. I never considered it a drawback, quite the contrary. Same reason I prefer salad bars and steakhouses where I cook it myself. I always get a perfect meal. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cool.gif





Since it's getting close to Christmas time, don't forget about all of the "some assembly required" gifts and the "batteries not included" stuff. From experience, I can tell you those are definitely understatements. I'd rather install another Kennedy diesel exhaust system than go through all the Christmas day assembling! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wacko.gif

socaldmax, seatec has every rite to complain in the public is he chooses to. Thats part of what makes this country so great. One the other hand there are certain ways to go about things. If he has contacted Kennedy about this and Kennedy sends him a "bandaid" for the fix then he is not getting what was advertised. It's one thing to have to shorten an exhaust if you have a smaller cab or bed configuration but to add something to the kit is not right. Show me another company that does this and I will gladly reconsider.

On another note I started an exhaust thread not to long ago and was warned about customer service issues. I have no first hand experience and I understand you will always hear from more people with bad experiences than good ones but I thank seatac for bringing this to everyone's attention. After all the only way for me to make an educated decision is to listen to others experiences'. Before I pass judgement I will wait to see if Kennedy fixes the problem properly. He is does that speaks volumes for his character, if not that also speaks volumes. One question I have is why Kennedy does not have it listed on his site that "his" exhaust kits are not made in-house.

i understand that kennedy does make his exhaust system in house but in my opinion that is not an excuse. . i feel that even though im glad that kennedy has warned me, he (his manufacturer) is trying to find the cheapest way out(not the best way for the customer) they dont want to waste all the pipes they cut wrongly. i "nicely" informed him before i even posted here yesterday, that i would insist on a one piece down tube or want a full refund if that where not possible. Socaldmax: i am baffled by your response. i posted this not to put kennedy in a bad light but to warn my fellow man.


oh, a small observation was that kennedy send the original email to an undisclosed recipient me wich probably means he has more than one customer that got the wrong pipe. oh well, all this may be a storm n a cup of water for me since its not certain that iw ll have one of those short pipes but with my uck.





thanks to all of you for responding.Edited by: seatec

why dont you call john and work this out instead of grandstanding here?.........If he does not respond then dance naked and scream foul.....Chances are you have no problemhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

It must be true then ..... I thought that possibly it was BS, guess not ..... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Embarrased.gif

Things do go wrong although I wouldn't be interested in an additional "splice" as a fix ..... Take "who" is involved out, none of you would .....

If it were Banks ATS, etc., etc., it would be send it back, by a JK system .....
Sucks when the tied is turned but 100% customer satisfaction is tough .....

He could have just boned up said it's a manufactures blonder I apologize for them, I agree a splice is unacceptable I'll get the proper pipe out to you .... Wasn't like he was given any option to splice or not,looks that way to me ..... That tells me the manufacture wants to stick people with their problem,No ??

Good luck seatec I'm sure it will be righted but I'd have a lil frustration also if something was being thrown at me that wasn't right .... Like anyone that has ordered an upgrade, your excited, you can't wait to get it on, enjoy, then before you even get it you find out it might be NFG ..... Wear both shoe's,Of the equation,gents .... He even was paying someone to install with an apointment ..... How do you know how busy the shop is or the individuals (buyers) mechanical ability ?? Maybe he choses not to get his hands dirty,that's his option .....

Sure John's a great guy very helpful,informitive, still no reason to have to except second's and mistakes .... Give him a call (collect http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif ) he'll get you squared away .....



Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif Edited by: Mackin

why dont you call john and work this out instead of grandstanding here?.........If he does not respond then dance naked and scream foul.....Chances are you have no problemhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif





Who is grand standing here? i am merely stating facts so i think you are the one grand standing. The fact of the matter is that John wants to do a quick fix with minimal cost on his part and i have to compromise. I dont need your kind of opinion buddy because you clearly have John (who probably has done right by you) at heart than a consumer which means you too buddy.


As was stated, My mechanic is very busy and so am i. to assume that i can just cancel an appointment is presumptious to say the least.


As for cotacting John, i replyed to his email immediately after it arrived and have not gotten word back yet. I assume he is also a busy man. The reason why i like to order things on-line because of coveniance and like to keep it that way. EMailing or making a call should not make any difference. Im becomming a little sorry to have posted this and tried to ask for some opinion, i dont feel i deserve to get bashed by some of you just for stating a fact. i guess that is not allowed anymore.





Edited by: seatec

Just an observation, but why even waste your time typing and replying when all might be fine WHEN the package arrives. I could just imagine how i would feel if the exhaust showed up and its the right one, and i made it public. Wow would i feel like an a$$. What happened to innocent until proven guilty.


If it is wrong and JK won't fix you up then by all means. I will say that at least he sent the piece to bandaid the problem and notify you. Maybe he should have just kept it hush and deal with it later. I'm sure you would have been real impressed finding out your short when they are trying to install it and your paying lift time and labour.


I have never bought anything from JK, not because i have a beef with him, but i try to buy all my stuff locally (if available) to support my Canadian economy, but have read alot of his posts and customer feedback and from what i gather he is a stand up guy and will fix any problems that occur.


Unfortunately its not a perfect world and things get messed up, trust me owning your own business is not easy and sometimes your at the mercy of another company or fellow man which you have no control over, but we get the complaints. I spend alot of spare time at my "performance guy " and trust me he gets alot of packages that are wrong module, wrong year, wrong whatever, and has to take the rath from the customer because the manufacture shipped wrong. Just be patient and it will all get worked out in the mail. Later Jeremyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

Just an observation, but why even waste your time typing and replying when all might be fine WHEN the package arrives. I could just imagine how i would feel if the exhaust showed up and its the right one, and i made it public. Wow would i feel like an a$$. What happened to innocent until proven guilty.


If it is wrong and JK won't fix you up then by all means. I will say that at least he sent the piece to bandaid the problem and notify you. Maybe he should have just kept it hush and deal with it later. I'm sure you would have been real impressed finding out your short when they are trying to install it and your paying lift time and labour.


I have never bought anything from JK, not because i have a beef with him, but i try to buy all my stuff locally (if available) to support my Canadian economy, but have read alot of his posts and customer feedback and from what i gather he is a stand up guy and will fix any problems that occur.


Unfortunately its not a perfect world and things get messed up, trust me owning your own business is not easy and sometimes your at the mercy of another company or fellow man which you have no control over, but we get the complaints. I spend alot of spare time at my "performance guy " and trust me he gets alot of packages that are wrong module, wrong year, wrong whatever, and has to take the rath from the customer because the manufacture shipped wrong. Just be patient and it will all get worked out in the mail. Later Jeremyhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif








I think you dont understand the point of my posting. The intent of my posting was to ask if i was over reacting in not wantng to accept the "quick fix" and let John get away with making it easy and cheap for him and me having to compromise in case the down pipe is shorter. I was merely preparing for the eventuality of a short down pipe when reading the email from john is a very high probability, dont you agree?Edited by: seatec

OMG, I cannot beleive how some people here will do everything possible to protect Kennedy. Seatec has a good question... and it was "am i being to harsh or not? "


I got the same responce when I posted an excellent transaction by Cons performance..... Seems some think Kennedy is GOD.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


Seatec, I agree with mackin... Get what you ordered and dont accept the fix. Kennedy does have a good reputation, and from my dealings with him, he will make it right..... Keep posting, this forum supports free speechhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clap.gif

I hate seeing these types of things getting aired out in public until they are fully resolved, whether good or bad...

After the final actions are taken... then let us know. You can get help by PM or emailing people. This goes for issues ooncerning all vendor transactions. Not laying down any rules here... Just my opinion.

hoot: You cant deny that that what my intention was with this post was legimitate. i was asking if i was over reacting when i asked John not to send me a if i where to have a short down pipe. What si wrong with that? it doesnt necessarily put john in a bad light. Maybe you are right but i always start gathering my resources and opinions in lieu of a possible battle. Also, i dont know John that well and dont know if he is a good business man or not. Nobody get the benefit of the doubt anymore since getting burned is common practice these days.


Do you atleast understand where i am comming from Hoot?





Thank you all for your comments.

I hate seeing these types of things getting aired out in public until they are fully resolved, whether good or bad...

After the final actions are taken... then let us know. You can get help by PM or emailing people. This goes for issues ooncerning all vendor transactions. Not laying down any rules here... Just my opinion.


hoot,


I agree, but with this caveat, the public airing is sometimes necessary (not that it is in this case at least at this point) in order to get to the "final actions" that see things "fully resolved." That is not to say that PM and email (or any & all means of communication available) shouldn't precede the public airing.

hoot: You cant deny that that what my intention was with this post was legimitate. i was asking if i was over reacting when i asked John not to send me a if i where to have a short down pipe. What si wrong with that? it doesnt necessarily put john in a bad light. Maybe you are right but i always start gathering my resources and opinions in lieu of a possible battle. Also, i dont know John that well and dont know if he is a good business man or not. Nobody get the benefit of the doubt anymore since getting burned is common practice these days.


Do you atleast understand where i am comming from Hoot?



Thank you all for your comments.

Don't worry a bout me seatec.... I totally understand where you're coming from. All I'm saying is the initial questions could be done though PM's and emails. It just helps in the long run. I too would want a 100% product. If after asking for it and you get it... then you could post the results. Edited by: hoot

hoot: Yes, i see where the initial quesion might've been better thorugh pm or email. the problem is howevere that i dont know anybody on this board well enough to start bothering them with my questions. Let's just see what happens and i will report. as of this moment ahh, wait a minute. i just got an email from john.


Here is what it said.


"Please refuse the first small package. A complete pipe will be sent. A
call tag will also be issued for the incorrect pipe."





looks like he is living up to his reputation and making things right for me. Now, if only i could get another appointment for next week to have it put in. I guess i should be happy for not having to battle to get things right.


Thanks you for being a sounding board for me in this.

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BTW:

Anytime anybody has questions about vendors and no one to ask, feel free to PM any of the DieselPlace Staff.Edited by: hoot

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gifnothing to do with the post but the install is pretty easy except for a few small PITA's. I wouldnt give someone 100$ to do it. JMO But if you aint got access to a place to do it and your choice is between sipping coffe for an hour inside a shop as apposed to spending 3 under your truck with numb fingers with your back in a snow drift on your gravel drive I could understand saying screw the $$$


While we are on the coment of JK's exhaust.....I got my reducer section to do a straight pipe conversion on a 4-5" system. I got a ticket for loud exhaust, and almost incited a riot according to a cop http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif. I'll let the peice to do the straight pipe conversion for shipping if anyone is interested. It aint purdy but it gets the job done http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Evil Smile.gif I'm keeping the rest of the exhaust though, I like it other than the fact it needs to make more noise. The muffler really cuts down on the whinehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif but I dont need to be drawing anymore attention to myself at times that I generally dont want the fuzz looking in my directionhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif


That reminds me to change my sighttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gifEdited by: ratlover

Let me know ratlover.... I want it.

Just don't send me the short piece with the clamp http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: hoot

Let me know ratlover.... I want it.

Just don't send me the short piece with the clamp http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





Hoot your a "Plow Person " now .... You have to be stealth'ie ....Your going to make your truck louder ?? awakening home owners ?? Barking dogs ??


Send me the tailpipe that's all I ask ...... Hoot's out,he's not thinking clearly ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

To make a long story short, I prototyped a new design head (downpipe) and had my mfr run some samples. In the mix, the samples were made at 7.5" short. The instructions were to continue producing the current generation pipe until I had a couple of veteran installers verify the fit. Somehow wires got crossed, and these prototypes got out with 4 systems.





All 4 will receive replacement pipes.





When was the last time someone contacted you BEFORE the problem was discovered???








BTW, if the pipe sent is shorter than the OE unit it is not correct.Edited by: Kennedy

That was another reason I decide to put the muffler back on the kennedy system......when I first did the straight pipe I told my self "its for pure saftey, so i get noticed in a parking lot and people stay the hell away"


But then reality set in and I relized if somone didnt notice a loud black 2500HD with a 9'6" yellow blade and all kinds of blinky lights they wernt going to notice a REALLY loud one.


Its how I talked myself into the juice......yeah.....I need 425hp and all that torquehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif Then reality set in shortly after purchase.....umm....NO....stock is more power than needed in snow, the juice is going to just be nutty. Juice is usless in the rain let alone in a freaking blizzard. Oh well......I do need a upgraded trans though righthttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif Who siad that thing about Dmax being an addiction???http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Geek.gif

To make a long story short, I prototyped a new design head (downpipe) and had my mfr run some samples. In the mix, the samples were made at 7.5" short. The instructions were to continue producing the current generation pipe until I had a couple of veteran installers verify the fit. Somehow wires got crossed, and these prototypes got out with 4 systems.





All 4 will receive replacement pipes.





When was the last time someone contacted you BEFORE the problem was discovered???








BTW, if the pipe sent is shorter than the OE unit it is not correct.








Um





The water company when they flushed the hydrant on my street .... They told me to draw enough water for the days useage ....That's all I could think of on short notice ....





Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

Philip,





If you are into a little mild fabrication, I have a perforated core muffler that will make it louder. It is full 5" so you or I will have to fab a transition. I chose to hide the transition in the muffler for a clean appearance...

One question I have is why Kennedy does not have it listed on his site that "his" exhaust kits are not made in-house.





Ask around once just how many make their own systems? VERY few have their own benders in house, and in fact many do very little in the actual design process...

Perf core? Mine curently kinda looks like a glaspack "sclallops" inside. Is this obviously different to what I got? Or is the increase in sound because it is a full 5" muffler instead of 1/2 4"? How dose it dampen sound? Does it have any packing? I assume its straight through.


I know its pretty subjective but how much more noise then what I got? How much for the muffler. I liked the sound of it sraight piped....a bit louder but the turbo was much more noticable......the cops just didnt like it evidently http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Confused.gif.


The 4-5 reducer part might be off the table guys since I might need it.


I've also been thinking of a spintech sice i had em on gassers and liked em. Maybe I shouldnt try to fix what aint broke.....





EDIT: Do you have lenghts on the perf core muffler? The one I got now is 27" if I remember correctly right? ThanksEdited by: ratlover

Let me know ratlover.... I want it.

Just don't send me the short piece with the clamp http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





FUNNY. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

One question I have is why Kennedy does not have it listed on his site that "his" exhaust kits are not made in-house.





Ask around once just how many make their own systems? VERY few have their own benders in house, and in fact many do very little in the actual design process...


I have a local exhaust guy. He priced a machine for the big pipe.... $50-60,000 mandrel bender. That's part of the reason.

dmax2dmax said
"That is not to say that PM and email (or any & all means of communication available) shouldn't precede the public airing."

my point exactly........ http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/EBF_bsjerk.gif

Interesting.


I agree that seatec has every right to discuss anything he wants in public.


Just as others (myself included) have every right to draw conclusions about the post. But a lot of us agree that all other means should be exhausted before trying it in the public forum.


Look at the title. Why put a person's name in it? To get a little attention to it? How about asking a hypothetical question to see if others would accept that solution with no names mentioned?


My answer would have been EXACTLY the same regardless of who was involved. You should get a whole pipe. Contact the vendor. Ask nicely. Wait for a reply from the vendor. Wait till it arrives, then see if it actually is even an issue. Being contacted BEFORE the system even arrives is more than I've ever gotten from a vendor.


Having to move the appointment back a few days was an unavoidable consequence. Sorry if a person is busy or a mechanic is booked up, life happens. I've got a hundred projects on the burner. 50% of the previous projects hit snags, I expect 50% of the remainder will as well.


This topic got a lot of unwarranted attention.


I'm glad that you got your exhaust issue resolved. Waiting for the email would have been a lot simpler, although far less dramatic. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif See why so many people were confident he'd take good care of you?


Now before another issue arises, be forewarned that the exhaust system actually comes as 5 separate pieces for ease of installation. Don't go thinking you got a muffler and 4 band aids. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif


Enjoy your new exhaust and make sure you tell the mechanic to take his time and rotate/index the pieces for the best fit. It tucks up there really nice with lots of of clearance between my big shock boot and 33" spare.


That reminds me... a good mechanic is really hard to find. When I got the replacement motor in my Dmax, the tech busted off my oil temp sender connector, cut my EGT probe cable and took off darn near half the paint from my firewall, etc, etc. I'm gonna get a few things fixed at the local dealer, but the rest of it has been a PITA.

HEHEHEHEHE

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifok guys, enoughy with the (constructive) criticism. i get it. OK!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif ill try to give companies the benefit of the doubt but once again, i was not trying to slander JOhn. I was merely stating facts and solicit advice. Sorry if i offended anyone execept the dude with the superman logo. what a goof

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gifSorry if i offended anyone execept the dude with the superman logo. what a goof

Ohhhhh Boy.... look what you just woke up http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Wink.gif http://dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/4A2_dynoday_006.jpg

OT



Ask around*once just how many make their own systems?* VERY few have their own benders in house, and in fact many do very little in the actual design process...
John I have no issues with you kits being made "out of house" but all the other manufacturers that I am interested in make their own kits. With that said I'm still giving you the edge because of the 4/5" tailpipe section. Have you considered a polished 5" tailpipe section? Any dyno number with that kit?

yeah well, im 6'4" and 280lbs. bring it on!! hehe

whys everyone picking on kennedy for his short downpipe. lotsa guys wish there downpipe was 7 1/2" longer.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

whys everyone picking on kennedy for his short downpipe. lotsa guys wish there downpipe was 7 1/2" longer.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





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No polished tip for the 5" pipe. I'd have to get a large qty done specially. 5" is more of a looks thing than performance. I've considered it, but too many other distractions (see pic below foreground AND background...





Did you know: Banks doesn't build their own mufflers. Not sure about pipe bending. BD and Bully Dog contract their systems. The list goes on...





http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/Dyno_on_trailer.jpg

Sorry if i offended anyone execept the dude with the superman logo. what a goof

Actually dude with Superman logo is a nice guy .....
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To all lets not get out of hand here ..... Problem ,problem solved ....

He heeeeeeeeee heee hee .....


Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Nhow about some instructions on the install so i can avoid further issue. For instance ow do i fix the tip to the pipe?Edited by: seatec

John,


What's the big tank?? Is the dyno up and running yet??

John,


What's the big tank?? Is the dyno up and running yet??

I think he's trying to outdo my propane tank http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I thought Banks made their own stuff... somebody just sent me this....

"Toured the factory first hand. they have about 10 miles of stainless tubing outside on racks and a couple nice mandrel benders inside!"

Enjoy your new exhaust and make sure you tell the mechanic to take his time and rotate/index the pieces for the best fit. It tucks up there really nice with lots of of clearance between my big shock boot and 33" spare


index??? waaaaht? can you explain this a little more indept.


Edited by: seatec

ok i may be stupid but that looks like it might be a dyno roller??????

Hopefuly that tank is a keg, and every body can have a cool one and chill out. It's a downpipe for crying out loud,,,,wow,,,,wonder what will happen if something important were to go wrong,,,,http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

seatec,


The kit comes with all of the band clamps you'll need. I'm not saying this is best, but here's what I did. I removed the old system in 2 pieces at the 4 bolt flange. Then I installed the front piece loosely (what we've been calling the downpipe but is actually v-clamped to the downpipe). Then I gradually fitted each piece, working toward the rear. I loosely clamped each one to the previous, twisting them to make sure they were aligned for best fit and clearance between floor and other parts (this is what I referred to as rotating/indexing.)


I took about 2 inches out of the pipe just before the muffler, which allowed the muffler to align nicely with it's hanger. Then I took another 5" or 5.5" out of the pipe just after the muffler. This made the rest of the system align very nicely.


IMHO, the 2 pieces most critical to align are the one just after the muffler that goes over the axle and the tailpipe. All of it is held together with band clamps. I moved back and forth quite a bit, adjusting each piece and snugging it up until all was aligned then tightened it all up.


Good luck! Steve

Thank you Steve. That is good information. Didn’t you mess up (wad up) the clamp liner (saran wrap looking material) when twisting the pipes around? Again, don’t mean to be aggravating but why would you have to trim the pipes? I thought the measurements are the same for every truck or am i being naive?
Thank you again for your help. should i take this questioning to another forum?

Btw, that tank is a hyperbaric chamber for his Cat.http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif Edited by: seatec

Maybe it's a winter warmer for his 7 1/2" 'Downpipe' http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

seatec, you mean the little aluminum foil strip "gasket" deal? I didnt put any saran wrap looking stuff on mine

seatec, you mean the little aluminum foil strip "gasket" deal? I didnt put any saran wrap looking stuff on mine





yup the gasket material. sorry, wasnt very discriptive.

For the record, and according to the Banks sales person, Banks bends their own pipe, but the muffler is contracted out. If any of you noticed the new shinny muffler they now offer, it was due to a vendor change that redesigned it to eliminate some drone.


JP

Seatec,


It seems to me the point (problem??) with the post is


you said:


"I think you dont understand the point of my posting. The intent of my posting was to ask if i was over reacting in not wantng to accept the "quick fix" and let John get away with making it easy and cheap for him and me having to compromise in case the down pipe is shorter. I was merely preparing for the eventuality of a short down pipe when reading the email from john is a very high probability, dont you agree?"


I bought JKs system and it worked great. I didn't get the new downpipe and mine was hard to seal. Once sealed it was fine.I would assume he engineered the new one to address that issue. I have purchased a lot from John and he has always been honest and above reproach. He has pioneered a number of innovative ideas for those of us who own these trucks.


You got an email from JK saying that a complete new pipe was on its way (assuming you got a bad one?). JK then posted what happened and it made sense to me. All of this could have been handled via PM or phone with JK and you would have been out only a reschedule on you install. If the point was to make others aware of the issue (I would assume everyone who bought one from JK, got the email you got) then it sounds more like a bash JK thing than helpful to anyone.


I don't mean to bash you either just pointing out that a man's rep is hard for him to build up and easy for someone else to tear down.


You also said: "Nhow about some instructions on the install so i can avoid further issue. For instance ow do i fix the tip to the pipe?" I would say first off, call JK. He will help you and it's his system. Others can help too but why not go to the source?



BobEdited by: Son of a gun

seatec,


I didn't put the gasket stuff in until after it was kinda snug, after the twisting. It's just a bit of foil you slip into the space where it clamps.

Bob, point taken but can we all now let this issue rest. I think i got it now. No offense meant since i know you mean well.





socaldmax. thanx for the info on the "gasket stuff".


You, know i cant really make out if you put the gasket inbetween the pipe and the clamp or just between the flanges of the clamp?Edited by: seatec

do not remove your stock system and put yourself in a bind.
&gt; &gt; &gt; RETURN IT NOW ! &lt; &lt; &lt; while you can, refuse delivery and hopefully you paid by credit card so you can dispute the charge if he tries to keep billing you.


.
do not make the mistake i did, by "making it work".


read of my experience with a kennedy exhaust as I posted at another forum.


Before JK's pals use their tactic of saying "hmm, he's a new guy, only one post..." or take this as an attack on Kennedy, I'm posting a reply to the exhaust question and to the "who has JK ever cheated?" question.
John Kennedy knows who I am because I bought an exhaust system from him and had problems with it, and I was a member of the thedieselpage for a few years user "rracing", I both read and posted at that forum so you could say I had tenure there. I posted about my experience with the Kennedy exhaust and below is exactly as I posted at the thedieselpage, but I did the unthinkable and posted the God's honest truth, that got me banned temporarily I then told Jim Biglie my thoughts of his censorship and I was banned for good, oh what a loss not being able to read their advertisements.


Originally posted by rracing:
"I recently installed a Kennedy Exhaust on my '97 Suburban. Prior to ordering the JK system I had ordered a Banks system. When I received the Banks system the quality of the system was excellent. Flanges welded in place, the boss welded in the down pipe for the pyrometer, hangers welded in place so the stock hangers could be used, a one-piece tail pipe with a chrome tip and the entire system aluminized. It also came with instructions. The reason I returned it was it was a 3" system. Their system is advertised as 3" to the muffler and 3.5" from there back. EXCEPT on Suburbans. Suburbans are 3" in and out. Well, I wanted a 3.5" system so I called John Kennedy. He was very encouraging on the phone so I ordered his system. He explained about how the muffler had a freeze plug tack welded in the middle but that it could be removed with a pipe to get better flow and better sound. Sounded good to me. He told me he would include a boss with the order that could be welded into the pipe for the pyrometer. Great! Soon my shipment arrived and when I opened the box there were no flanges, no boss to weld in, no instructions and no chrome tip. Oh well it was a 3.5" system. I went to work removing the old system. Then laid out the cut to fit pipes to try to figure out which pipe went where and in which direction. The down pipe went in smoothly and fit well after bending the body seam flat that joins two sections of floor board together. This information was in the Banks instructions and I think John Kennedy told me this would make the pipe go in without rubbing. Next, I knew which two pipes were tail pipes, so I put them together and looked at the hangers supplied with the system. You could not hang the exhaust in the factory location with the hangers supplied with the system so I cut the factory hangers off the stock system with an air powered cut off wheel, rebent them for the larger diameter pipe, and welded them to the new exhaust. Now, what I have left is a pipe with an off set in it and a streight section that has a swedge on one end, which after playing with them for a while I realized they could only go in one way which rubbed on the rear heater supply lines. Both pipes were cut to fit pipes. The swedged down end fit nicely over the down pipe. Next I tried to remove the freeze plug in the muffler so it would be a flow through design. John said to use a pipe. I had a three inch pipe 5' long, stood the muffler on end and beat myself silly from both ends. I did accomplish rounding the ends where the pipes slip into which pounded back into place with not much effort. I don't think it is possible to get it out that way. I finally got out my air chisel and a long cutting tip and was just barely able to reach it and remove it. Again I had to use the factory hangers cut off of the stock pipe. Now I have to remove

rracing, i am sorry you had such a horrible experience but it does seem that John is trying to do right by me and even agreed to ship me the right lenght downpipe and take the "fix" back in a hurry.


================================================== ===


Steve, Did you have to cut some of the pipe to get it to fit on a 02 2500hd D/A CC/SB? i thought it was straight install without any cutting?


AnthonyEdited by: seatec

And the winner is:


ok i may be stupid but that looks like it might be a dyno roller??????





For those in the south, that's the insulation truck in the background...

JK wrote:


"For those in the south, that's the insulation truck in the background..."


Many of us down here know, cause the what its for is why we're here!!


Actually, we use it too, but to keep the cool in!!

Hey RR


Do you save that same story to cut and paste everytime someone mentions Kennedy and exhaust in the same post??





Seems to me his site warns Suburban owners they need to fit the system. You have a Suburban, right??

Hey RR


Do you save that same story to cut and paste everytime someone mentions Kennedy and exhaust in the same post??





Seems to me his site warns Suburban owners they need to fit the system. You have a Suburban, right??








how about 2500hd CC/SB owners. do they need to cut?

"Sorry if i offended anyone execept the dude with the superman logo. what a goof"..............

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

glad you seem to have it all worked out.........maybe you learned something.......you know from one goof to another.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif dave

jk get the roller in and Im gonna do my best to sling it out of its hole..........1008 miles door to door.....tell elaine to get the points cold and cheese curd fresh........need to leave my mark in wisconsinhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/4A2_dynoday_0061.jpghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif Edited by: sdaver

Dave...will you be slipping by to pick up Steve-O......no cell phone on this trip though...http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

no just the dipper..ehehehehehehEdited by: sdaver

Whats with rracing?

I have seen him post that same post on every website I've been on for years.

Who cares.... if it was that bad jk wouldn't be selling them anymore.

seatac,


I had to cut both ends of the tail-pipe to install my exhaust. I suspect they only make one tail-pipe for the SB as well as the LB and the SB owners must cut to fit.





Edited by: RV Guy

Thanx for the answer rv GUY. Glad you felt compelled to answer my question. do you remember how much you cut off from each end?


DId you cut some off the part just before the muffler and them some just after the muffler to make it fit?

"Sorry if i offended anyone execept the dude with the superman logo. what a goof"..............

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Ermm.gif

glad you seem to have it all worked out.........maybe you learned something.......you know from one goof to another.........http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif dave

jk get the roller in and Im gonna do my best to sling it out of its hole..........1008 miles door to door.....tell elaine to get the points cold and cheese curd fresh........need to leave my mark in wisconsinhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/4A2_dynoday_0061.jpghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif





sdaver. didnt mean any (serious) offense. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif


SO, looking at the picture, are you a sasquatch or something? hehe

Whats with rracing?

I have seen him post that same post on every website I've been on for years.

Who cares.... if it was that bad jk wouldn't be selling them anymore.





I took a look. He's posted here 3 times and all 3 times are exactly the same whining story. Sounds like a troll to me.

Whats with rracing?

I have seen him post that same post on every website I've been on for years.

Who cares.... if it was that bad jk wouldn't be selling them anymore.


hoot,


I agree with "jk wouldn't be selling"...and add that he has more than proven to be a valuable asset to us diesel owners. They say it takes 1 negative to tear down "x" number of positive comments, but we have collectively many times "x" to more than compensate for 1 detracting comment from rracing.


I may be out of line (and if so I’ll learn from it)..…but, I would hope as a DPlace mod you would care, at least for the sake of preserving the integrity of the Place. I thought everyone here was entitled to an opportunity to say their piece as long as they stay within the guidelines/rules. Does his post in any of its 3 instances cross the line regarding the guidelines?


It's possible that seatec could have used a better approach and it sounds like he has learned from his experience. It's also possible that rracing could use a better approach and like the rest of us could use some "continuing to learn." But for you as a mod to come out with a statement like "what's with rracing" and "who cares" is at least as inappropriate IMO. It's comments like that from mods that leads to an underlying sense that the mods have favorites, good ole boys, etc., which when this site opened, you 'all stated that was to be vehemently opposed (paraphrase).


I certainly think you and any other mod are entitled as well but I would hope you could do it in a way that we can distinguish between hoot the mod and hoot the member. You have been an incredible leader regarding the Page, Broker and other mistakes you've owned up to, please keep up the good work! We need you!!!


If rracing's approach is a mistake shouldn't he be afforded an opportunity to learn from it?


FWIW, my $0.02

Whats with rracing?

I have seen him post that same post on every website I've been on for years.

Who cares.... if it was that bad jk wouldn't be selling them anymore.


hoot,


I agree with "jk wouldn't be selling"...and add that he has more than proven to be a valuable asset to us diesel owners. They say it takes 1 negative to tear down "x" number of positive comments, but we have collectively many times "x" to more than compensate for 1 detracting comment from rracing.


I may be out of line (and if so I’ll learn from it)..…but, I would hope as a DPlace mod you would care, at least for the sake of preserving the integrity of the Place. I thought everyone here was entitled to an opportunity to say their piece as long as they stay within the guidelines/rules. Does his post in any of its 3 instances cross the line regarding the guidelines?It's possible that seatec could have used a better approach and it sounds like he has learned from his experience. It's also possible that rracing could use a better approach and like the rest of us could use some "continuing to learn." But for you as a mod to come out with a statement like "what's with rracing" and "who cares" is at least as inappropriate IMO. It's comments like that from mods that leads to an underlying sense that the mods have favorites, good ole boys, etc., which when this site opened, you 'all stated that was to be vehemently opposed (paraphrase).


I certainly think you and any other mod are entitled as well but I would hope you could do it in a way that we can distinguish between hoot the mod and hoot the member. You have been an incredible leader regarding the Page, Broker and other mistakes you've owned up to, please keep up the good work! We need you!!!


If rracing's approach is a mistake shouldn't he be afforded an opportunity to learn from it?


FWIW, my $0.02


I appreciate your criticism but I stand by what I said about rracing's comment. It's only him and his post I made that statement about. I've had issues with lot's of things. Do you see me or others who've had issues using the same tactics?

I've seen that particular LONG WINDED post many many times and quite honestly, I'm tired of seeing it. So I said what I felt.

I never claimed to be or will be the perfect moderator. But like you said.... everybody is entitled. Me too.

BTW... Are you using another software to type your posts and cutting and pasting? When I quoted your post I had to strip all kinds of formatting.Edited by: hoot

no big foot here just a man running from the woods that just left a present for the new jersey department of transportation.........glad it all worked outhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

seatec,





The crossmember offset pipe typically will fall within .25" of dead nuts center below the crossmember when fully inserted. If it is short, back it out a hair, andif it is long, trim it. I really doubt thatyou'll have to do anything there. BTW, take the exhaust mount off of the transmission when spinning the "downpipe" into place. It will bmake things easier.





The tailpipe MAY have an inch or two extra at either end. This depends on your preference. The front end tunes the knee bend to centered over axle tube, BUT there's no way the axle would ever travel that high anyhow. The outlet of the tailpipe is a matter of personal preference. I leave it a bit long for duallys and SRW trucks can trim it back.





Experience has shown that it is much better to leave an extra inch or two here and there as sometimes the pipes get dinged in transit etc. The odds of a customer having a hacksaw, bandsaw or sawzall are much higher than a pipe stretcher...

no big foot here just a man running from the woods that just left a present for the new jersey department of transportation.........glad it all worked outhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif

Wonder if they found it yet .................................................. ........on there boot !!!!!!

Mac http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

rracing,


I've been a member of TDP for 3 years and don't remember your post.


But you said; "I too must agree with what others have said that the guys coming to aid Kennedy must be KD salespeople, and are the ONLY ONES I ever see pushing or defending problems with Kennedy's exhaust and goods."


Well golly gee ya found me out! I've been on his payroll for years. Actually thinkin' of quittin' my day job! My point to seatec was taken by him in the spirit that I ment it .. helpful not mean.


Got a good suggestion for you: Get a life!! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Nuke.gif


Seatec:


JK said: "Seatec,The tailpipe MAY have an inch or two extra at either end. This depends on your preference."


I did my own install but having a bit extra was beneficial to me given the way I wanted the exhaust to extend from the rear. Your install guys will most likely appreciate the flexibility too. I can't count the times I've bought something with no room to spare, not one extra screw, etc.


I'm happy to hear JK is working with you to get you on the road.


Good luck,


BobEdited by: Son of a gun

I was a poster longer than that and I do remember his post. I believe rracing's experiences are true and he's bitter about it.


For me, these forums are about providing feedback about products and services, good or bad. Obviously, it's the main benefit to forum members or even those folks just lurking out there considering membership.


With that in mind, isn't it better to share experiences of positive customer service and superior product instead of questioning another forum member's intentions or experiences? It's perhaps the best way to counter another forum member's complaint. On the otherhand, questioning another forum member leads one to believe you are have some other arrangement, be it friend, straight guy, discount buddy, beta tester, relative, co-worker, etc.

Ray,


There is no doubt that this and other forums are better off sharing the good and informative news we generally see here . That said, I don't think we have to listen to bitter sentiments in silence. He can't change what has passed. He is certainally free to express his dissatisfaction. I don't believe we have to listen to silly accusations in silence. We have a war room forum for stuff like that. Went there once, was equally offended and haven't been back.


I've been in a service business for 32 years. I have a good relationship with my clients and they let me and others know that on a regular basis. Any suggestion that I somehow pay them off for this support is silly. I earn their respect through my hard work. I have a good relationship with JK. As one of his clients my questioning of rracers nasty method of posting suggests nothing more than my respect for what JK has done for me as a customer. JKs response to Seatec seems to back me up. I've seen a few posts on this page and TDP that I do not agree with, as does HOOT. Sorry if I offended you but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.


Regards,


Bob

Hey John, I think my check musta got lost in the mail cuz I havent gotten it yet. Damn USPShttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif


I'm glad buissnes is going well enough for you to be able to buy off 1/2 of the internethttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

I rest my case.... all previous posts are still there to examine http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Stern Smile.gif

Why do people pop up and gripe with nothing else to talk about? And it's been going on for years with this guy. It just baffles me.Edited by: hoot

I was a poster longer than that and I do remember his post. I believe rracing's experiences are true and he's bitter about it.


For me, these forums are about providing feedback about products and services, good or bad. Obviously, it's the main benefit to forum members or even those folks just lurking out there considering membership.


With that in mind, isn't it better to share experiences of positive customer service and superior product instead of questioning another forum member's intentions or experiences? It's perhaps the best way to counter another forum member's complaint. On the otherhand, questioning another forum member leads one to believe you are have some other arrangement, be it friend, straight guy, discount buddy, beta tester, relative, co-worker, etc.






"questioning another forum member leads one to believe you are have some other arrangement, be it friend, straight guy, discount buddy, beta tester, relative, co-worker, etc."
EXACTLY!



Hoot is a friend of Kennedy and heavily promotes Kennedy at many forums, he neglects to mention that in his snide remarks he makes about other people.



For sure my post are true. Kennedy has my info and shipped me the exhaust after he was quick to take my money. He NEVER made good on the pyro fitting I paid for and never got any credit for it, fact is I was ripped off by Kennedy. Am I bitter about it? NO, but not happy about it either, nor did I like being lied to as the exhaust was far from the "bolt-in" he claimed, and no noticable gain in performance, just louder.



I noticed the only praise posts of Kennedy are repeated over and over by the same who use many names at many places, most have something in common links in signature, attack and bad talk those who have problems with Kennedy products.



I'm not the only one to post of problems with Kennedy products as his boys say, in fact "Blazer" and "DieseBill" posted in other threads here and many more other people who've had problems have posted at other forums. The common thing is the same few KD cronies jump in and attack to protect their interests, of the many who've had problems with KD are disgusted and most have better things to do than post about their expereinces, and when they do, the same few cronies try to run them off or attack them as again is done in this thread.



I waited and waited and then saw the obligatory KD attacks on 'seatec' and i still waited and read more criticism of him and his post, so only then I posted. He had every right to post and more people should, had legit concerns, his emails were being ingnored while Im sure the ones to take money for exhaust were being answered.



The forum owners should not allow KD cronies to attack people and ruin the discussions.



Why should I not post my experiences relavant to Kennedy exhaust problems? along with those of the REPEATED and non relavant bogus praise posts by his cronies in every thread.

Ray,


There is no doubt that this and other forums are better off sharing the good and informative news we generally see here . That said, I don't think we have to listen to bitter sentiments in silence. He can't change what has passed. He is certainally free to express his dissatisfaction. I don't believe we have to listen to silly accusations in silence. We have a war room forum for stuff like that. Went there once, was equally offended and haven't been back.


I've been in a service business for 32 years. I have a good relationship with my clients and they let me and others know that on a regular basis. Any suggestion that I somehow pay them off for this support is silly. I earn their respect through my hard work. I have a good relationship with JK. As one of his clients my questioning of rracers nasty method of posting suggests nothing more than my respect for what JK has done for me as a customer. JKs response to Seatec seems to back me up. I've seen a few posts on this page and TDP that I do not agree with, as does HOOT. Sorry if I offended you but sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.


Regards,


Bob





I hear ya, Bob. No hard feelings here! http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Big Smile.gif

rr cried "Hoot is a friend of Kennedy and heavily promotes Kennedy at many forums, he neglects to mention that in his snide remarks he makes about other people."

hey hoot and john are buddies yeah right......they tolerate each other at best........I will say hoot has earned his wings as a moderator lately and I think he pegged this one straight up.......rr they got some good cheese up in johns part of the country want me to send ya some to go with that whinehttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif ..........blow it out your earhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Approve.gif By the way have you tried to work this out. Edited by: sdaver

rracing,

Find the KD links in my sig.
I have never recieved anything for free from any vendor on these sites.

Vendors sometimes have problems with customers. Know any that don't?

Is it against the rules to air issues with vendors here? Absolutely not. BUT we did excommunicate a certain vendor for mudslinging another vendor nonstop. If it gets out of hand, it gets handled regardless.

Your point was made.

On edit.... thanks DaveEdited by: hoot

When rracing posted, it rang a bell and I checked his posts. All 3 are the exact same post.


I had typed a rather scathing reply, but I chose not to post it. Instead, I'm going to ignore the troll. I use that term not to be derogatory, but because that is exactly the tactics that trolls use.


I agree with Hoot's post 100%.


On an entirely different subject, I'd like to point out that my check from JK must have gotten lost in the mail as well. As a matter of fact, my dealings with JK have cost me a great deal of money. Not that I didn't think I got a fair deal, but the money is definitely NOT flowing this way!http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif


R, Steve

hey hoot and john are buddies yeah right......they tolerate each other at best........


Bet there's an interesting story there, but that's another thread topic. I'm wondering how they tolerate each other "at worst?" http://dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Shocked.gif

jk get the roller in and Im gonna do my best to sling it out of its hole..........1008 miles door to door.....tell elaine to get the points cold and cheese curd fresh........need to leave my mark in wisconsinhttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/uploads/4A2_dynoday_0061.jpghttp://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/HiHi.gif

ya, as if this guy http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif is not pals with and a(and a saleman for) the JoKer http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif, he mentions JK's http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif old ladies name... note the clickable link to JK's http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif site in his post signatures...

I had a bad experience with JK http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif too as ya'll know.

sdaver http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif you need to get some cheese up by JK http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif as you have far too much whine. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

once again a JK come up short, no surprise... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

on topic.
the problems with kennedy parts are very real, glad to see others posting about it http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Thumbs Up.gif and the shady business practices and poor customer service. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Angry.gif

boy its great sign up just to bust my chops.........I feel honored.......I make no bones about Kennedy is a friend of mine. So is Big Dipper, Hoot, Mackin and most of the regulars here and on the Diesel Page. Our friendship started on another page I bought lots of products from him got great service and will continue to purchase from him and recomend him.........As for you, hang around you might learn something......Im not hiding my loyalties they are listed in my sig.

[QUOTE=Diesel Bill]
ya, as if this guy http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif is not pals with and a(and a saleman for) the JoKer http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif, he mentions JK's http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif old ladies name... note the clickable link to JK's http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif site in his post signatures...

I had a bad experience with JK http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif too as ya'll know.

sdaver http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif you need to get some cheese up by JK http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif as you have far too much whine. http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Cry.gif

once again a JK come up short, no surprise... http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/smileys/Clown.gif

on topic.
[b]the problems with kennedy parts are very real, glad to see others posting about it <IMG onMouseOver="this.style.cursor='hand'" onMouseOut="this.style.cursor=''" alt='Click on image to open in new window' onClick="window.open('smileys/Thumbs Up.gif', 'Image', 'toolbar=0,location=0,status=0,menubar=0,scrollbar s=1,resiza

Never got into any significant issues with JK.

What is the point of this thread ???

It no longer involves the topic, issue was resolved satisfactory, by the vendor ..... It's just trash now ....

Say good night .....