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machoosh
02-23-2005, 09:11 PM
Study Blames 20,000 Deaths A Year On Diesel Exhaust


WASHINGTON -- Emissions from old diesel engines cause more than 20,000 Americans a year to die sooner than they would have otherwise, an environmental group estimated Tuesday. An industry group criticized the findings as outdated and misleading.
The states with the most deaths were New York with 2,332, California with 1,784, and Pennsylvania with 1,170, according to the Boston-based Clean Air Task Force.
The group ranked Ohio eighth among the 50 states, with an estimated 769 preventable deaths, 1,002 non-fatal heart attacks and 14,464 asthma attacks each year. "Diesel exhaust may be the single most severe air pollution threat to people's health here in Ohio," said Staci Putney McLennan, director of clean-air programs for the Ohio Environmental Council. The metropolitan areas with the highest number of early deaths from diesel engines were New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago, according to the task force. The study included the surrounding suburbs, so New York's estimated total of 2,729 deaths included parts of New Jersey and Connecticut. The group said it based its figures on the most recent government emissions data - from 1999 - and from public health studies of the effects of various types of air pollutants. Conrad Schneider, co-author of the report, said regulations designed to make new diesel engines cleaner don't affect millions of older trucks, buses and construction engines. "Those are great rules, they will hold new engines to higher standards. ... In the meantime, we're stuck with a legacy of dirty diesel engines," said Schneider, advocacy director for Clean Air Task Force, a coalition of regional and local groups. The Environmental Protection Agency last year required new diesel engines on trucks and buses to cut in half the amount of nitrogen oxides produced. In 2007 emissions are to be cut further. Since many older diesel engines can run for 30 years, more action is needed by federal, state, and local governments to retrofit existing diesel engines to run more cleanly, the group said. Retrofits for a typical transit bus can cost about $5,000 to $7,000. The head of a Washington-based industry group criticized the report's assumptions and conclusions. "I think they have overstated the risk here using data that's six years old," said Allan Schaeffer, executive director of the Diesel Technology Forum. Schaeffer said it takes eight modern tractor trailer engines to produce the same amount of pollution generated by one such engine made twelve years ago, and that diesel exhaust comprises just 4.4 percent of fine particle pollution.
"Our industry is getting cleaner faster than most other industries out there," Schaeffer said. Diesel pollution is blamed for contributing to asthma, respiratory diseases and heart attacks. The study estimates the risk of health complications from diesel exhaust for people living in cities is three times higher than the risk for those in rural areas. Top 10

Estimated annual early deaths from diesel pollution, according to estimates from the environmental group Clean Air Task Force: By State: 1. New York 2,332
2. California 1,784
3. Pennsylvania 1,170
4. New Jersey 880
5. Texas 879
6. Illinois 878
7. Florida 805
8. Ohio 769
9. Michigan 484
10. Massachusetts 475 By metropolitan area: 1. New York 2,729
2. Los Angeles 918
3. Chicago 755
4. Philadelphia 727
5. Boston 391
6. Houston 356
7. San Francisco 291
8. Miami 288
9. Baltimore 285
10. Detroit 279

k1xv
02-23-2005, 09:55 PM
The pollutant at issue is particulate soot. Compared to my 21 year old Mercedes diesel car, the Duramax exhaust, as is the exhaust of most modern diesel cars and small trucks with extra high pressure Bosch injection, is essentially invisible. Compared to the old Mercedes, I am amazed at how little soot there is in the engine oil.

bluenote
02-23-2005, 10:11 PM
Oh boy, another study telling us how lethal something is. I guess the emissions from gasoline engines are much healthier for us to breathe?

I remember hearing once that saliva causes cancer..........but only when swallowed in small amounts!

ski1
02-23-2005, 10:55 PM
die a year sooner...........great ! when is the next PITA or sierra club meeting, I will drive :D

john@dps
02-23-2005, 11:24 PM
To words for you "Enviromentalist Wacko's" -:t

precision37
02-24-2005, 07:00 AM
Total BS. No actual science to support that theory, just someone's "interpritation" of data.

moss022
02-24-2005, 07:47 PM
they had something just like that here in the chicago tribune. got the article cut out just keep forgeting to bring it home from work. i will quote it later but it pretty much says "diesel kills"

luvthesmellofdiesel
02-24-2005, 09:25 PM
It's probably the GD oil companies. They don't want us all running diesels in our cars since they won't be able to sell quite as much product due to the mileage differences. It would seem to me that all new passenger vehicles ought to be built diesel eventually. Now that would make the oil companies and A-rabs cringe...

Tim

JMPDMax
02-25-2005, 10:43 AM
Diesel Kills... :blahblah:

People kill too.... and in larger numbers.... let's outlaw them.

In my youth, I grew up with LEADED gasoline. I'm still here.... and no stupider than the average idiot....

L8r

chevy_9465
02-25-2005, 10:44 PM
just a bunch of tree huggers with nothing else to do, how could somthing that smells so good, be bad for u lol

BIG MACZ
02-26-2005, 11:55 AM
People will ***** about anything now a days, there are people out there that just need some kind of cause so they can give themselves some kind of identity, if they said one day diesels are illegal to own, these same people would move right on to another cause because that is who they are!

JKP335
02-26-2005, 02:59 PM
YA! Georgia is not on the list ill keep sootin it up till we make it. Haha I guess they want us farms to quit using diesel tractors next huh?

BIG MACZ
02-26-2005, 03:15 PM
No the tractors are fine, it's the methane gas from the cows thats the problem, so we should eat more meat to help the problem.....oh wait PETA does'nt want us to kill cows, I guess we are all gonna die! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :p

akdiesel
02-27-2005, 03:52 AM
2. California 1,784
3. Pennsylvania 1,170
4. New Jersey 880
5. Texas 879
6. Illinois 878
7. Florida 805
8. Ohio 769
9. Michigan 484
10. Massachusetts 475 By metropolitan area: 1. New York 2,729
2. Los Angeles 918
3. Chicago 755
4. Philadelphia 727
5. Boston 391
6. Houston 356
7. San Francisco 291
8. Miami 288
9. Baltimore 285
10. Detroit 279<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Well it's a start. I look at it as population control.;)

BigBadDodge
02-27-2005, 12:06 PM
I am trying to get California in first place by pulling indoors with no ventilation :ro)

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J/K Tree huggers

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