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1999Cobra
02-22-2005, 04:33 PM
LOOK -

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/02/22/study_diesel_exhaust_blamed_for_deaths/

aprr454
02-22-2005, 05:10 PM
I hope these people never go to a tractor pull. They'll say that everybody at the pull died an early death because of it.

duramaximizer
02-22-2005, 06:15 PM
:funnypost lol

supatrucka
02-22-2005, 06:20 PM
I love diesel smoke.

briano
02-22-2005, 06:34 PM
funny how diesels actually burn cleaner than gassers yet diesels are the cause of that.. lol

Kendall69
02-22-2005, 07:23 PM
Funnier still how in Mexico city you can’t even see your hand in front of your face for the car fumes, and when all these protected forests burn up and dump billion of particles in the air, or when a Volcano erupts, and spews more junk that all the vehicles on the planet - yet these brilliant people narrow it down ro diesel engines.
GIVE ME A BREAK!

Z71 Grizzly
02-22-2005, 09:48 PM
Stuff like this is why diesels in America aren't as popular as Europe is. They think they gotta blame something I guess.

dpower
02-22-2005, 10:07 PM
lol.....guess I am doomed!

BroncoFanCam
02-22-2005, 10:57 PM
sorry if I missed it (I only skimmed over the article) but what I did read, only mentioned "THE GROUP", or "A GROUP", they might as well be saying.... "Someone, somehwere, once told me...." who are these people, what makes them credible enough to print that? Heresay as far as I am concerned, and where are all of the facts and figures to back it up.... what rubbish.

DirtAndSand
02-22-2005, 11:30 PM
Darn, I just started thread with the same report!!

briano
02-23-2005, 12:03 AM
Darn, I just started thread with the same report!!

I think as long as no one has replied to it yet, you can delete it.

T-Rex
02-23-2005, 12:08 AM
Not to be a party pooper but I've been following these kinds of stories for years. If one were to only look at the title of the article one might come to the conclusion that this is a recent discovery, however that is not true.

I'm a bit of a science geek among other things and I can tell you without fear of contradiction that the body of evidence that supports the notion that the particulate matter or soot which is the focus here is considerable and is still steadily mounting. This really should come as no surprise, certainly to the only moderately scientifically literate.

That soot or particulate matter is little different from coke or coal dust--if you have ever heard of black lung....

It is plausible that there are other contributing factors to some of the statistics, but these studies have been going on for years with the same results...studies that follow the scientific method. If indeed the method is followed and the evidence continues to mount with little to no contradiction it becomes mathematically improbable that we can conclude anything else other than diesels or more precisely the unique kind of pollution that they contribute to this closed system that we inhabit is a bad thing that must be addressed. If it is not addressed it becomes a component of the sum of bad things that can make a system fail or increasingly uninhabitable.

If you want names of groups the EPA, the American Lung Association, and the CDC are all interested in this.

I drive a diesel and thoroughly enjoy it. I have kids who have allergies. I work in the energy sector in an environmentally sensitive sub-sector. I am an outdoorsman who enjoys hunting, fishing, camping. I am a car nut. I would be a hypocrite who cares only for me and getting my rocks off blowing soot if I did not stay informed concerning the consequences of our actions. I would be a hypocrite if I complained about our precious natural resources being swallowed up and destroyed---poisoning our coastal wetlands, pressuring our deer to dwell on smaller and smaller pieces of land, and our sunsets becoming hazy....if I were not sensitive to these things...if I modded my vehicle in a fashion knowingly that it would increase its pollution output or if I poured my spent motor oil down the sewer. I think we should be careful here.

Back in the early 90s the EPA was given more power to deal with people who make the wrong choices who are reckless with our environment. It did not take the EPA long to fine and send the first plant operator and low level manager to jail for doing such things. For us we can expect penalties for jacking with the pollution control equipment on our vehicles--equipment which is reasonable in its application--equipment that has in fact lowered the average amount of pollution coming from our tailpipes several times over since the 70s. I think we should expect even more severe penalties perhaps accompanied with some time in the Federal Penitentiary if we continue along this path.